Evo brembo onto rx8?
10-03-2006, 02:03 PM
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Evo brembo onto rx8?
can an evo 8 or 9 brembo be fix onto an rx8?
need to change the bracket rite?
any idea how much for the mod n bracket change after i buy the brembo from the evo guy?
thankz...
need to change the bracket rite?
any idea how much for the mod n bracket change after i buy the brembo from the evo guy?
thankz...
10-04-2006, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Fluid4
can an evo 8 or 9 brembo be fix onto an rx8?
need to change the bracket rite?
any idea how much for the mod n bracket change after i buy the brembo from the evo guy?
thankz...
need to change the bracket rite?
any idea how much for the mod n bracket change after i buy the brembo from the evo guy?
thankz...
That depends on what rims you're using currently. Our stock 18inch rims offset not enough if i'm not wrong...
10-04-2006, 11:49 AM
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Why change to EVO Brembo??
A brake system is an integral system, from brackets to calipers to rotors to brake pads. A well design brake system will take into consideration the brake fluid pressure so that the car's ABS etc etc will not be affected after u fixed the after mkt brake.
U want to get a bracket made in a workshop in Yishun or somewhere, get an EVO Brembo and after fixing everything, it will be great?? It may look great but ... I just dunno if the approach is correct.
I know its a lot of savings but do look around, there are other brake kits, maybe even 2 pot but can be as good as other brake kit NOT designed for ur car.
My 2 cents.
A brake system is an integral system, from brackets to calipers to rotors to brake pads. A well design brake system will take into consideration the brake fluid pressure so that the car's ABS etc etc will not be affected after u fixed the after mkt brake.
U want to get a bracket made in a workshop in Yishun or somewhere, get an EVO Brembo and after fixing everything, it will be great?? It may look great but ... I just dunno if the approach is correct.
I know its a lot of savings but do look around, there are other brake kits, maybe even 2 pot but can be as good as other brake kit NOT designed for ur car.
My 2 cents.
10-04-2006, 08:51 PM
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What you said makes sense. I do not know much about bbks but it seems to me that all use the same parts with different brackets or at least it looks that way. Maybe the UN- interchangability is just a marketing ploy to get people to plonk $3k upwards for something "exclusive"
I do hope its possible too. I have good lobang for used bbks.
I do hope its possible too. I have good lobang for used bbks.
10-05-2006, 07:14 AM
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Hi
At a recent ALCON presentation, it makes u realized designing a brake kit is not so simple. Manufacturer will decide how they want the system to perform, what rotor size to use etc etc.
For F1 and other com petition, 3 brands always comes up.. AP racing, Brembo and ALCON. If u look at any decent (and $$$) system be it Project Mu, Endless, brembo etc, they are not using the same caliper/rotor for diff cars. RX8 and EVO uses diff BBK set so its either marketing ploy or indeed they are different (diff weight, power etc etc).
So I am not too sure whether EVO BBK will be a good match with RX8. Then I oso dont know how u drive, how fast u drive, how u track etc. If normal driving, most BBK not that diff but during extreme driving/braking condition, it makes a diff. U may not use it so I cannot comment. Just feel that it is 'not so correct' to assume that Brembo means good becos 'incorrect Brembo' not meant for ur car may actually be bad during critical situation. Also heard story of some local fabricated bracket having some prob at track and M'sian highway so good luck when u get that bracket from ^&*% garage.
Anyway just my views so dont flame me. As to local fabricate braket, most workshop will have lobang. No prob with that.
Cheers
At a recent ALCON presentation, it makes u realized designing a brake kit is not so simple. Manufacturer will decide how they want the system to perform, what rotor size to use etc etc.
For F1 and other com petition, 3 brands always comes up.. AP racing, Brembo and ALCON. If u look at any decent (and $$$) system be it Project Mu, Endless, brembo etc, they are not using the same caliper/rotor for diff cars. RX8 and EVO uses diff BBK set so its either marketing ploy or indeed they are different (diff weight, power etc etc).
So I am not too sure whether EVO BBK will be a good match with RX8. Then I oso dont know how u drive, how fast u drive, how u track etc. If normal driving, most BBK not that diff but during extreme driving/braking condition, it makes a diff. U may not use it so I cannot comment. Just feel that it is 'not so correct' to assume that Brembo means good becos 'incorrect Brembo' not meant for ur car may actually be bad during critical situation. Also heard story of some local fabricated bracket having some prob at track and M'sian highway so good luck when u get that bracket from ^&*% garage.
Anyway just my views so dont flame me. As to local fabricate braket, most workshop will have lobang. No prob with that.
Cheers
10-05-2006, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by EBS
Why change to EVO Brembo??
A brake system is an integral system, from brackets to calipers to rotors to brake pads. A well design brake system will take into consideration the brake fluid pressure so that the car's ABS etc etc will not be affected after u fixed the after mkt brake.
U want to get a bracket made in a workshop in Yishun or somewhere, get an EVO Brembo and after fixing everything, it will be great?? It may look great but ... I just dunno if the approach is correct.
I know its a lot of savings but do look around, there are other brake kits, maybe even 2 pot but can be as good as other brake kit NOT designed for ur car.
My 2 cents.
A brake system is an integral system, from brackets to calipers to rotors to brake pads. A well design brake system will take into consideration the brake fluid pressure so that the car's ABS etc etc will not be affected after u fixed the after mkt brake.
U want to get a bracket made in a workshop in Yishun or somewhere, get an EVO Brembo and after fixing everything, it will be great?? It may look great but ... I just dunno if the approach is correct.
I know its a lot of savings but do look around, there are other brake kits, maybe even 2 pot but can be as good as other brake kit NOT designed for ur car.
My 2 cents.
like endless?
10-05-2006, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Emperor
What you said makes sense. I do not know much about bbks but it seems to me that all use the same parts with different brackets or at least it looks that way. Maybe the UN- interchangability is just a marketing ploy to get people to plonk $3k upwards for something "exclusive"
I do hope its possible too. I have good lobang for used bbks.
I do hope its possible too. I have good lobang for used bbks.
10-05-2006, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by EBS
Hi
At a recent ALCON presentation, it makes u realized designing a brake kit is not so simple. Manufacturer will decide how they want the system to perform, what rotor size to use etc etc.
For F1 and other com petition, 3 brands always comes up.. AP racing, Brembo and ALCON. If u look at any decent (and $$$) system be it Project Mu, Endless, brembo etc, they are not using the same caliper/rotor for diff cars. RX8 and EVO uses diff BBK set so its either marketing ploy or indeed they are different (diff weight, power etc etc).
So I am not too sure whether EVO BBK will be a good match with RX8. Then I oso dont know how u drive, how fast u drive, how u track etc. If normal driving, most BBK not that diff but during extreme driving/braking condition, it makes a diff. U may not use it so I cannot comment. Just feel that it is 'not so correct' to assume that Brembo means good becos 'incorrect Brembo' not meant for ur car may actually be bad during critical situation. Also heard story of some local fabricated bracket having some prob at track and M'sian highway so good luck when u get that bracket from ^&*% garage.
Anyway just my views so dont flame me. As to local fabricate braket, most workshop will have lobang. No prob with that.
Cheers
At a recent ALCON presentation, it makes u realized designing a brake kit is not so simple. Manufacturer will decide how they want the system to perform, what rotor size to use etc etc.
For F1 and other com petition, 3 brands always comes up.. AP racing, Brembo and ALCON. If u look at any decent (and $$$) system be it Project Mu, Endless, brembo etc, they are not using the same caliper/rotor for diff cars. RX8 and EVO uses diff BBK set so its either marketing ploy or indeed they are different (diff weight, power etc etc).
So I am not too sure whether EVO BBK will be a good match with RX8. Then I oso dont know how u drive, how fast u drive, how u track etc. If normal driving, most BBK not that diff but during extreme driving/braking condition, it makes a diff. U may not use it so I cannot comment. Just feel that it is 'not so correct' to assume that Brembo means good becos 'incorrect Brembo' not meant for ur car may actually be bad during critical situation. Also heard story of some local fabricated bracket having some prob at track and M'sian highway so good luck when u get that bracket from ^&*% garage.
Anyway just my views so dont flame me. As to local fabricate braket, most workshop will have lobang. No prob with that.
Cheers
tink i better go for endless thats mean for rx-8.....
u got any good lobang?
10-05-2006, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Fluid4
tink i better go for endless thats mean for rx-8.....
u got any good lobang?
u got any good lobang?
Project Mu gives u the most option, they have 3 or 4 diff BBk for u to choose from from their slim series to their full racing 6 pot. Price of course diff depending on ur needs. I heard they use SCR Pro rotors which is very good news. thats the top, most ex rotor Project Mu produced. My fnd just fitted the forged slim 4x4 on his JDM Accord for $3600. Or u can try Monster Garage for the RE AP racing calipers.
What u need to check is support from agent (when time comes to replace brake seals etc) and everything original from Japan (esp brackets!). Rims on ur car must be able to clear the BBKs as well as replacement rotors/pads etc if the after brake comes with calipers only.
Sorry if I too lor sor.
Cheers
10-05-2006, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by CoupeM
I think the evo brembo is actually using a smaller diameter rotor from us. So..braking power is probably similar to our single pot.
What I do know is many EVOs owners changed to after mkt brake becos the stock Brembo is not enough. Stock Brembos that comes with cars (EVOs, Integra Rs etc) are diff from after mkt Brembo kit u buy from the agent (eg Brembo GT BBK). They are smaller than their brethen.
For trackies, good BBKs are essential and design can go down to heat vane and not only 2 pcs floating disc design.
Cheers
10-06-2006, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by EBS
Ok straight off I know we have Endless BBk, Project Mu BBK for our ride. Re Amemiya has the AP racing (caliper only?), not too sure abt ALCON and AP racing.
Project Mu gives u the most option, they have 3 or 4 diff BBk for u to choose from from their slim series to their full racing 6 pot. Price of course diff depending on ur needs. I heard they use SCR Pro rotors which is very good news. thats the top, most ex rotor Project Mu produced. My fnd just fitted the forged slim 4x4 on his JDM Accord for $3600. Or u can try Monster Garage for the RE AP racing calipers.
What u need to check is support from agent (when time comes to replace brake seals etc) and everything original from Japan (esp brackets!). Rims on ur car must be able to clear the BBKs as well as replacement rotors/pads etc if the after brake comes with calipers only.
Sorry if I too lor sor.
Cheers
Project Mu gives u the most option, they have 3 or 4 diff BBk for u to choose from from their slim series to their full racing 6 pot. Price of course diff depending on ur needs. I heard they use SCR Pro rotors which is very good news. thats the top, most ex rotor Project Mu produced. My fnd just fitted the forged slim 4x4 on his JDM Accord for $3600. Or u can try Monster Garage for the RE AP racing calipers.
What u need to check is support from agent (when time comes to replace brake seals etc) and everything original from Japan (esp brackets!). Rims on ur car must be able to clear the BBKs as well as replacement rotors/pads etc if the after brake comes with calipers only.
Sorry if I too lor sor.
Cheers
thankz for the great info.....
one more ting...since rx-8 is rear wheel car ...then mean braking at the back more important?...i mean normal car just upgrade the front will do ...but i noe nuts abt rear wheel drive car...pls advise...thankz.....
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No. Brake wise its still front BBK. Diff to find BBK kit for rear! Dont worry the designer oredi take care of front wheel or rear wheel car. I oso dunno how to xplain, maybe some bro here will.
Project Mu u can have 345mm rotor!! hehehe frighten everyone. If rims big and spaceous enuf, may be able to fit the 355mm rotor, then siao liao
Project Mu u can have 345mm rotor!! hehehe frighten everyone. If rims big and spaceous enuf, may be able to fit the 355mm rotor, then siao liao
10-06-2006, 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by EBS
No. Brake wise its still front BBK. Diff to find BBK kit for rear! Dont worry the designer oredi take care of front wheel or rear wheel car. I oso dunno how to xplain, maybe some bro here will.
Project Mu u can have 345mm rotor!! hehehe frighten everyone. If rims big and spaceous enuf, may be able to fit the 355mm rotor, then siao liao
Project Mu u can have 345mm rotor!! hehehe frighten everyone. If rims big and spaceous enuf, may be able to fit the 355mm rotor, then siao liao
i will be getting my car in 2 week time...
mine is the 5MT stock 16" rim but i changing to 18"...so should be able to clear rite?
any good place or lobang to change the brakes?
sorry to trouble u....too many question...
thankz for ur help...next time when i get my car n go for mit up...
remind mi to treat u dinner......
heheheheheeee
10-07-2006, 01:32 AM
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When you step on the brakes, the car's balance is shifted forward and consequently more braking can be applied on the front wheels than the rear. Therefore if you're going to upgrade your brakes, it makes more sense to upgrade your front brakes. It doesn't make a difference with front or rear wheel drive. Guess there's a lot to learn about cars if you're going to be selling them, eh? Better start doing some homework.
BTW, you also have to pay attention to front/rear brake bias and weight/power. Can't just get the biggest front brake rotors and calipers that can fit into your rims and ignore your rear. 355mm rotors and calipers add a lot of unsprung weight that your engine is going to have to push around so performance also affected. Modding also needs research.
BTW, you also have to pay attention to front/rear brake bias and weight/power. Can't just get the biggest front brake rotors and calipers that can fit into your rims and ignore your rear. 355mm rotors and calipers add a lot of unsprung weight that your engine is going to have to push around so performance also affected. Modding also needs research.
10-07-2006, 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by EBS
Hi
What I do know is many EVOs owners changed to after mkt brake becos the stock Brembo is not enough. Stock Brembos that comes with cars (EVOs, Integra Rs etc) are diff from after mkt Brembo kit u buy from the agent (eg Brembo GT BBK). They are smaller than their brethen.
For trackies, good BBKs are essential and design can go down to heat vane and not only 2 pcs floating disc design.
Cheers
What I do know is many EVOs owners changed to after mkt brake becos the stock Brembo is not enough. Stock Brembos that comes with cars (EVOs, Integra Rs etc) are diff from after mkt Brembo kit u buy from the agent (eg Brembo GT BBK). They are smaller than their brethen.
For trackies, good BBKs are essential and design can go down to heat vane and not only 2 pcs floating disc design.
Cheers
10-07-2006, 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by sqflyer
When you step on the brakes, the car's balance is shifted forward and consequently more braking can be applied on the front wheels than the rear. Therefore if you're going to upgrade your brakes, it makes more sense to upgrade your front brakes. It doesn't make a difference with front or rear wheel drive. Guess there's a lot to learn about cars if you're going to be selling them, eh? Better start doing some homework.
BTW, you also have to pay attention to front/rear brake bias and weight/power. Can't just get the biggest front brake rotors and calipers that can fit into your rims and ignore your rear. 355mm rotors and calipers add a lot of unsprung weight that your engine is going to have to push around so performance also affected. Modding also needs research.
BTW, you also have to pay attention to front/rear brake bias and weight/power. Can't just get the biggest front brake rotors and calipers that can fit into your rims and ignore your rear. 355mm rotors and calipers add a lot of unsprung weight that your engine is going to have to push around so performance also affected. Modding also needs research.
thankz forthe info.....
will buck up on my study on rear wheel drive cars......
need ppl like u to teach mi also mah...heheheheheee
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Originally Posted by sqflyer
When you step on the brakes, the car's balance is shifted forward and consequently more braking can be applied on the front wheels than the rear. Therefore if you're going to upgrade your brakes, it makes more sense to upgrade your front brakes. It doesn't make a difference with front or rear wheel drive. Guess there's a lot to learn about cars if you're going to be selling them, eh? Better start doing some homework.
BTW, you also have to pay attention to front/rear brake bias and weight/power. Can't just get the biggest front brake rotors and calipers that can fit into your rims and ignore your rear. 355mm rotors and calipers add a lot of unsprung weight that your engine is going to have to push around so performance also affected. Modding also needs research.
BTW, you also have to pay attention to front/rear brake bias and weight/power. Can't just get the biggest front brake rotors and calipers that can fit into your rims and ignore your rear. 355mm rotors and calipers add a lot of unsprung weight that your engine is going to have to push around so performance also affected. Modding also needs research.
Any bro here know where has ready stock of after mkt brake pads?? Need to buy soon.
Tks
10-07-2006, 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by EBS
Totally agree with u. Anyhow mod will make ur car even worse, totally out of balance. Talk so much my car BBK is still stock, just change brake hose and brake fluid. Now looking for brake pads. No need after mkt bbk cos stock brake good enuf for me liao... spend on bodykit to look good instead hehe.
Any bro here know where has ready stock of after mkt brake pads?? Need to buy soon.
Tks
Any bro here know where has ready stock of after mkt brake pads?? Need to buy soon.
Tks
wat brand hose n brake fluid u using?
our stock is 2 pot rite?
10-08-2006, 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by EBS
Totally agree with u. Anyhow mod will make ur car even worse, totally out of balance. Talk so much my car BBK is still stock, just change brake hose and brake fluid. Now looking for brake pads. No need after mkt bbk cos stock brake good enuf for me liao... spend on bodykit to look good instead hehe.
Any bro here know where has ready stock of after mkt brake pads?? Need to buy soon.
Tks
Any bro here know where has ready stock of after mkt brake pads?? Need to buy soon.
Tks
and ST power has APP pads in stock. saw it there last week.
10-09-2006, 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by ngkenny
Ivan has autoexe in stock(me thinks)....
and ST power has APP pads in stock. saw it there last week.
and ST power has APP pads in stock. saw it there last week.
Ivan paging u, got stock?? Mi want!
10-09-2006, 08:31 AM
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Contrary to beliefs, changing the brake rotor or calipers to a bigger one doesn't make your brakes more effective. The better braking feel is merely a bigger effort exerted by the larger rotor, calipers equivalent to you stepping harder on the stock brakes. The way to improve braking is better tyres. Bigger brake rotors, calipers are not meant to improve braking effectiveness but rather to prevent brake fade.
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I would agree to that to some extent. The output force is still only a multiplied force exerted by your foot.
Now my new thought is that 4 pots is better than our stock, because our single pot brake pushes one way against a fixed caliper.
Do we really need the upgraded 4 or 6 pots? I doubt so, but i want one anyway. Seeing the prices of bbks, pads and lines seems a good value for money upgrade.
Now my new thought is that 4 pots is better than our stock, because our single pot brake pushes one way against a fixed caliper.
Do we really need the upgraded 4 or 6 pots? I doubt so, but i want one anyway. Seeing the prices of bbks, pads and lines seems a good value for money upgrade.