pharaoh

Guys and gals,

do you experience a clanking noise when you start moving ( about 10ft ) after an engine start? the sound seemed to come from the lower engine compartment.

MM technicians told me it's some motor opening, bla bla bla valve....something like that. is it true or big time bulls**t?

thanks,

pharaoh

sgrenesis

wow clanking. doesnt sound good at all.

Fab 8

Its the ABS self test - normal. Do a search - quite a lot of discussion on this.

pharaoh

thanks fab 8, ( that was fast ) i did a search and now much better informed.....and relieve too.

thanks again

pharaoh

M-ster

GOODNESS! I can't believe the MM mechanics are so ill informed!

I just felt so sick that there'r so many dishonourable people out there who just wanna make money! All they do is to sell you something and then have NO freaking idea what they have just sold you. Giving you all those wrong info and such....

'valve'! Ha!

Sick!

Genesis

haha...oops? Ya, that give me REAL comfort in buying from MM and hoping they service the car efficiently. I hope those of us who bot from MM will get decent service. Else we'll have to use this forum for troubleshooting.

davester

About the ABS self test...was just wondering....so if there is no clanking noise does that mean my car doesn't have any self test??....or am i too deaf to hear it.... :o ...mine is the AT.

DAVESTER

1.3L-of-pure-crack

I think all 8's have A.B.S. so you should be hearing the clunk noise. I did not notice it for about a week. After you hear it for the first time you will know what to listen for and it will bug the s*&t out of you every time you start moving right after start up.
GOOD TIMES!!!

To DAVESTER

Neon

Like i said before, MM knows crap about Rotary. They probably have very detailed step by step instructions on how to firstly diagnose and then steps to take in trying to solve the problem. Thats abt it. No love, no experience, no feel , no respect, noe ****....about Renesis.

sgrenesis

from what i heard only one mechanic was sent to be trained in mazda japan. you had better pray hard that guy doesnt leave.

Genesis

Neon, you seem pretty convinced of the bad MM rotary servicing....got any specific experiences? but you drive a PI right? Not that I dun believe u, but I haven't read anything on the forum yet to suggest the MM service is THAT pathetic....?

EBS

Hi Genesis

For a company (MM) that sells such a car, it is disappointing that

1. Most of the SE have absolutely no idea what the RX8 is capable of and what options should they recommend to the buyers (whether from MM or outside suppliers)
2. They didn't even offer their customers the choice of oil (during service they give the most basic Shell dino oil). Even if u are prepared to pay for the original Mazda rotary oil, they don't stock it! Heck, we are car lovers so don't tell us the Dino oil is good enough. I am prepared to pay for 'better' oil but they don't have it. So we have to go to old faithful Autobaccs to buy the Trust Rotary oil if we want something better.
3. Where did they get the expertise to maintain/repair Rotary engine?? Some outside garages are very experienced servicing the RX7 and these mechanics prob outperform the MM mechanics most days. MM prob have detail manuals telling them step 1 to step 25 but anything outside the manual, I bet they are as stumped as anyone out there.

Despite the above, I bot from MM becos of 1 reason only, in the case of 'extreme' prob, u can send the car back to them and they have to do something abt it instead of parking ur ride with the PI for months waiting for parts or support. Will such a case happen? I don't know but I need peace of mind. It may never happen and I may never go back to MM for anything except changing oil until the warranty is over.

BTW the first MM cars came in first quarter this year so there should not be any 'big' prob as most are less than 8 mths old. Most early problems of the RX8 has been ironed out prior to the cars coming to Singapore 9we received our car more than 1 year after her launch in Japan).

Cheers

Genesis

Hi EBS...great post. I bot from MM for the same reason. Maybe a dumb question....but can't we just buy a superior oil for rotary, take the car in to MM for servicing and ask 'em to use the oil we prefer instead of the crap they use?

Manwe

Genesis,

You can do that. But part of the servicing is to provide the oil for you. It is unnecessary cost which mm tries to save and pass it on to us poor consumers. The only reason why i didn't get from PI is I dun want JDM.

My SE know nuts abt the car. When I ask him about accessories he was blur like sotong. I had to show him picture b4 he knows what I am talking about and spent dunno how long to get back to me(probably asking other staff). It is the first time that mm is selling sports car so they are relatively inexperienced. Like what EBS said, the only good thing is when there is serious problem. mm would have to solve it. PI would probably ask you wait and wait and you can do nuts.

Genesis

Ok thanks u guys. Knowing that the rotary requires more care and attention then pistons, which I accepted when deciding to buy the 8, I don't mind paying the extra for a better oil and getting MM to use it. Now if I could just decide on the dang rims

Neon

Genesis, ur questions have been answered i guess? I hold nothin against MM, just opinions on their exp in rotary dats all..

U must have read certain bad encounters in the US threads and this is Mazda USA we r toking abt. Imagine MM.... One mountain one sand mole... hehe..

There r good n bad PIs around too. Some of them are quite well connected with the Japanese side and can be as robust in terms of support n maintenance (probably have to wait longer than MM tho). Apart from this shortfall, i wouldnt label all as bad ones..:D

Well i only had one encounter with MM when i tried to buy a rear tail lamp coz mine leaked, and they simply refuse to entertain me. The sales rep actually pointed at a poster that they had put up and it reads - DOnt entertain PIs etcetc... The worse thing was i got it from a PI at a cheaper price..DUH.. GOt $$ dont want to earn...Weird policies, or maybe i should just accept the fact that CHINESE people are generally like dat. Beh song here, beh song there will think of ways to get back at people....

Well, dats life.. YAM SENG

Fab 8

EBS and Manwe, did you have any bad experiences with PIs to conclude that they will just ask you to wait and wait if things happened?

Judging from how the SEs and treatment that you have been getting from MM so far, all I can say is good luck to you guys too. Bear in mind how long it has taken them to bring in the 8 - Mazda Japan couldn't be bothered to allocate any cars to S'pore until this year...

Anyway, lets all hope that we never need to test the reliability of the service from either the PIs and MM, eh?

EBS

Nothing against PI. It's just my friend's MRS was at the workshop for 4 mths becos the ECU has to be sent to Japan and it took the Japanese that long to solve the prob! In fact the service of the PI is very good. Like I said, its more the 'serious prob' mentality that I went to MM. Never like all this big player (agent) but then the RX8 is a special car.

Some bros here are buying their own oil and bringing it to MM to service. I find that 'ridiculous' and hilarious. For other cars, u buy exotic stuff which the agent does not carry. That is fine but I am talking abt original Mazda Rotary oil (expensive though)! and they don't even give u the option. Talk abt stupidity and bad marketing.
If I am the MM sales manager, I will get the Mazda rotary oil, packaged it as a premium service if cust desire to have it (or continue to enjoy the cheaper dino oil free service), make a big hoo hah on how he Original rotary oil is superior to other brands and sell them to any RX8 (PI) owner who desires to buy them at a premium.

cheers

M-ster

FOR ALL THOSE WHO BOUGHT YOUR CAR FROM MM!

I think you guys should all gather and do up a petition! You guys should threaten MM and bringing the case to Mazda Japan! MM is simply taking the easy way out! They would probably think 'why paid extra $$ to ship in the oil, when they can simply get oil from their local supplier (Shell) and do business as usual".

As an authorised dealer, they should provide the right oil, unless they dare to bare all responsibilities if there are any problems that're caused or related to the use of wrong oil!

GO FOR IT GUYS!!

Manwe

No personal problem with PI as well but got a friend who had his car(AT) stalled numerous time. Was told that it could be some electronic fault by the mechanic. He got his friend to ask the autorised dealer. Was told that the part needed to be replaced. But the PI did not wish to....rotate from workshop to workshop and never fix the problem. Maybe they just want to avoid asking for replacement. I dunno why(cost?). In the end, he did an unethical thing. Sold it off to some unsuspecting person. Hahaha....

sgrenesis

man...thats sad.

Manwe

Yea man... I would be very angry to buy a faulty car. Imagine the person who bought the flooded MPV. Gee.... let's pray that he wins the lawsuit. Then next time nobody would dare sell us faulty stuff...

BlackAero

I heard it too on my car, thanks for the info ... now I have less 1 thing to worry about.

Genesis

Extreeemly interesting posts here.....lets see, how to summarize....buy an 8 from MM, but their rotary service is bird-droppings effective (hey, I'm being nice :-), unless you cough up the $$ for superior rotary oil (which for an 8 is critical), which as EBS said is ridiculous if MM would properly provide (agreed), or take M-ster advice and repent! (like it)....else, buy an 8 from PI where the concern for yer car is about as important as watching paint dry (and takes longer to get parts), but lots more options if u know where to go....yet save $$ on the purchase price over MM and then spend it taking all yer friends out to Zouk for an all-nighter on yu? How to go wrong either way? And either way, we still get to drive our 8's