MarkW

Well No. 3 has been confirmed, so just 1. and 2. to go now!

ChrisW

It has??

rael

Depends which no 3. ps yes, strakes, no.

rael

MarkW

Bottom of this page:

https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...4&pagenumber=3

rael

As Mr Rogers has pointed out most of us are rotary virgins and it was not the engine but the looks, 4 seats and prices which attracted us initially.

What I don't really understand is why most of the reviews talk about lack of torque or power at certain revs but rotary slaves deny this and everytime this is mentioned the reviewer is blamed for not understanding the engine etc.

I am just very much hoping that our rotary enthusiasts know what they are talking about and they are not seeing this car through rose tinted glasses because I do not have the experience. It has been their continual positive vibes which have kept me interested otherwise I may have gone some long time ago.

I love reading the positive reviews from new owners especially if they have other 'performance' car comparisons. My only hesitation in taking it all on board is that as the 8 is a affordable sports car allowing relatively easy access and I do wonder what car it is being compared to (ie previous cars). It only has value if the 8 is being compared to a similar car, not a Fiat 500 say. The young age of some of our owners in the States makes some of the reviews a waste of time too.

Apologies but this has been a crap week. Hopefully those testing this week-end will revert with positive news.

rael.

ChrisW

Well what else could Mazda say in response to that question? [about UK horsepower]. Unless somebody gives them the go-ahead to revise the figure downwards then that is their answer. It doesn't make it true.

We are being asked to believe that our cars are actually more powerful than the US cars appear to be. I think that requires some explanation, especially as the assumption was always that our cars would be less powerful.

MarkW

Until we get customer cars and get them on the dyno, there is no ultimate proof. We have confirmation from Mazda that this is the stated power output and that is good enough for me.

If it subsequently proves to not be the case then I would expect a buyback or servicing agreement like the US.

I know we are all pi$$ed off at the moment, but sometimes conspiracy theories can be taken too far......

ed hall

can't Mazda see that all we want is some honesty here and to keep us informed? Good or bad, just tell.

I've defended Mazda in the past because I know big organisations make mistakes and will continue to. But surely, they have learnt the lesson by now...

oilman

I don't know about you but, friends and family lost faith a long time ago and simply can't understand why I'm taking all this crap from MAZDA.

My wife has only stayed onside because I bought her a brand new JEEP Grand Cherokee 2.7CRD a month ago!!

Having said that, the Dealer gave me £3000 off and a good p/x.

If Mazda does the same, they can gaurantee my loyalty into 2004.

Cheers
Oilman

bugbear

sorry i feel similar to renegade and oilman

firstly i ordered in january for july - naturally proud and pleased -this fact was announced to friends and family. now every conversation i have revolves around 'where's this brilliant car then?' answer: 'don't know'.

not only have mazda (that is mazda japan i guess) throughly p****d me off, but they are rapidly turning me into a laughing stock.

as renegade pointed out where's the fairness in all this? i gave mazda my money before half the guys in the states now driving Rx8s even knew what they were.

to give the US and japan larger initial runs and then second runs before we've even had one for europe doesnt make me feel like a valued customer of course the lack of any information just adds to the situation.

in summary i blame japan for the delay and the uk for the lack of information. i AM ready to cancel i cant take this uninformed wait much longer the excitement went long ago. £25K could get me a lovely oak double garage, workshop and playroom. and in the garage? in two years time an RX8 for £12K

KEF

yup, i get asked "when are you getting your car?" about four times a day, even though i've been saying november for a while now (I thought it best to be pesimistic!!)

they've made me look stupid already, hopefully they won't be doing it again.

ChrisW

It seems increasingly clear that the US cars do not make anything like 238 hp and in fact are below the 228 hp claimed for the Euro cars. There are, potentially, innocent explanations for these dyno results (special procedures that need to be followed, mileage switch, ECU makes car difficult to dyno...etc). But if they were true then Mazda could have made a statement and ended all this controversy long ago. Their silence is beginning to speak louder and louder.

If Mazda's US horsepower claims were right then I would need to believe in conspiracy theories to explain the US dyno results.

If our cars have 10 hp less power than the US cars then we are probably looking at 200-215 hp. Even if this were true, I would still consider buying the car. Given its relatively low weight it should still have decent performance. And as others have said, it's not all about straight line speed. I just want Mazda to start telling the truth and make me feel I can trust them.

Right now 228 hp for the Euro car is not credible. Mazda need to explain either:
1) why the US horsepower figures are correct, in spite of the dyno results. OR
2) why the Euro spec cars actually have more power than the US cars.

oilman

Just a thought for this thread which I'm surprised isn't the largest in history at this precise moment.

If the cars will be rushed to us and the accessories are Dealer fitted what guarantee to we have that ordered accessories won't hold up our cars?

Based on our experience so far we will probably be told to return our cars to our Dealers 6 months later to have accessories fitted having paid for them

Any thoughts guys?

Cheers
Oilman

renegade_si

Oilman
I am very worried about this possibility. I'm afraid that although at the pre-order day, there were sample items there with prices, which was good, there wasn't more substance - like I couldn't order anything, or know when or where they would be fitted. I asked also about the mazdaspeed kit - no information at all.
It seems like there is sparse info on them at the moment, but I guess you can't blame the dealers as there is sparse info (and misleading from the phone calls recently made) on the car itself!

AndyPearce

Well I have the promised letter telling me delivery month but not the accessory brochure that I thought would be with it.

Don't Mazda realise that it's much easier to sell these fitted to the car before delivery rather than relying on us going back for them at a later date? We'll all get used to our cars without strafes and rotary accents and the prices will seem even more silly then.

KEF

Fantastic leter,

November...

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Alistair Campbell himself would be proud of that third from last paragraph.

"Winner of the automotive world's most coveted acolades, your faith in the Mazda RX-8 as a truly revolutionary vehicle has been confirmed."

what does that mean??

oilman

Alastair Campbell needs a job:D

Cheers
Oilman

RX-Late

Oilman, I don't think the dealer fit accessories will hold up delivery of our cars. However, your second point will propably come true. I can quite easily see a senario with people having to return cars to dealers some time later to have side strakes / petrol caps etc fitted.

RX-Late

The engine won an award. Did the car?

RX-Late

If the European horsepower claims are false will we get a bribe from Mazda like the Americans did? False advertising etc?

RobDickinson

Looks like mazda had a tougher job getting the 8 to meet cali emmisions law.

If thats close to Euro4 then we shouldt be down on as much power as compared to what we though.

Euro car may still make 231ps.

RX-Late

Hope so!

AnilS

So lets see. Power scecualtion now down to 220 (ish) BHP, so originally 230 (ish) BHP. What shall we say, £100 refund per 1 BHP lost, as compensation about £1000 then. Sorry still would'nt be enough due to all the inconvinence. Lets call it £2K off list and we'll all be happy.
Better still, wait for the cars to come, take delivery and;

1. Delay payment just like delayed cars, for 4 months
2. Pay them cash and pay entire (bar 20p) amount in 1p pieces, and it should take a while to count it all. Realising the may have miscounted, due to 20p missing, they have to recount.

Sorry haing a silly moment.:p

AnilS.