Rx8 drift car
 

so i don't post in here that often. I kinda do more looking around than posting. Anyways, I have been drifting for a few years w/ an S13. That broke while i was out at asb (all star bash) in Cali. So I sold it and here I am w/ an RX8. I have been just stocking up on parts all winter, and finally we put it all on (well most of it)

parts:
Greddy turbo kit
Cobb Accessport (tuning for 300whp)
Exedy hyper single clutch
Carbonetic 2-way carbon diff
Advan T6's 18x9 +12 (direzza star specs - 225/40), 18x10 +20 (maxxis z1 drifts - 235/40)
Vertex Lang aero w/ canards
Origin GT wing
Stance GR+ coilovers
megan rear links
supernow inner tie rods
supernow rear toe arms


We have not got the aero back from paint yet, but we got everything else done. Turbo kit worked out pretty well in the end. The only good picture to post is this one........!

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Best mod ever



I'll post more pics up when I get the aero on. hope u enjoy for now.

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Im sorry man but that wing is absolutely 100% fail...:yelrotflm

That is biggest wing I have ever seen...

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apparently I forgot drift cars have huge wings, I dont understand why though, I guess its not having a rear bumper that makes your wing look so big. No my style but I suppose if it has function then why not... I just was always under the impression you had to be going fast in order for the wing to provide sufficient downforce, which is the point of this spoiler no? but considering your never going to be going 100mph drifting I dont understand the need for a wing. If anyone knows something I dont then by all means jump in here and explain...

good stuff . You will probably want to upgrade that greddy turbo pretty quick . I imagine you want good top end power for drifting ?

This thread should get good. I've been following the build on ziptied.com

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I like it, I agree with the first reply saying that the wing is butt fuckin ugly but it does serve a purpose in your case so u cnt be flamed for it lol.

But why are you runnin boost? Its drifting, u dnt need that much power and top end speed... these cars already put down around 190hp to the wheels. Do u really need a turbo too?

NA is much better for drifting u should know this already

drifting an NA rx8 seems like a challenge due to the zero torque you have. theres no low end power at all.

A properly designed rear wing winds up tightening the car up by giving additional downforce to the rear end and thus some more traction. With an NA Rx8 that attempts to drift, this is a not needed as you already have too low of power to mess around with settings in order to get it to drift.

You see them all the time in drift competitions because most of those cars put out quite enough power to drift alone. Adding the rear wing just adds another element of tuning in handling when sideways between oversteering too much or too little.

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This has to be the dumbest comment I've ever seen. Look at most Formula Drift Cars. They are either supercharged, have a turbo setup, or have a big v8 in them.

The RX8 makes dick for torque. The more power and torque you can get, the easier it is to slide the car around.

u dont have to be a dick like that either

yes most or all fd cars r running some sort of FI

but you can still drift a rx-8 without turbo [its just a lot harder]

AZR: Your car looks sick as fuck, cant wait for some good pics.

So many idiots in this thread.

AZR: Your car looks sick as fuck, cant wait for some good pics.

So many idiots in this thread.

Lol it's easy to drift the 8 just keep the rpm's up. It is easier with a FI setup.

That wing is big tho... Not to bash but I thought about getting a big wing but not that big. Just for looks tho.

Bnr or mazdamaniac upgrade quuick!! More powah!!! And email me detailed info and install pics... I can get you featured on the drifting.com website, zumnrx88@yahoo.com :bigok:

IF you make 300 with the greddy turbo as supplied, your begging for trouble pushing it that far

and i would think it prudent to ditch the greddy turbo regardless since i imagine you'll be spending a lot of time modulating throttle in upper rpms and under load? the greddy snail can be pretty peaky in those conditions with that much flow, and wont hold that kind of boost anyway

give the guy a chance lets see what he's got before we speculate too much here...

hahahahahahahaha so many hilarious comments!!!!!

" Not my style but I suppose if it has function then why not... I just was always under the impression you had to be going fast in order for the wing to provide sufficient downforce, which is the point of this spoiler no? but considering your never going to be going 100mph drifting I dont understand the need for a wing."


but the best comment........
"A properly designed rear wing winds up tightening the car up by giving additional downforce to the rear end and thus some more traction. With an NA Rx8 that attempts to drift, this is a not needed as you already have too low of power to mess around with settings in order to get it to drift.

You see them all the time in drift competitions because most of those cars put out quite enough power to drift alone. Adding the rear wing just adds another element of tuning in handling when sideways between oversteering too much or too little."


You guys cant be serious?..... IT'S DRIFTING!!?! You think anyone cares about "downforce" from a giant CF WING? come on everybody. Gave me some nice laughs though when people were talkin about the technicalities of a wing and drifting mechanics.


Anyways, thanks for everybody else that likes where its headed. Its been a long process of just waiting around over the winter. I have been having some issues getting a hold of jeff (mazdamaniac) for a tune for the cobb. First drift event is mid-may and I haven't even gotten my initial "base" map from him to send him data logs back for. The way things are going I wouldn't have a decent tune till like end of June!

Jeff if you read this please get back to me for an update on my tune....it would be much appreciated.

good luck man post some videos I am pretty interested to see how it all works out.

Also more power= more smoke!!!! :D

Make sure you follow his instructions and keep on his ass or you will find this takes an age .

There are a few weak areas on the greddy kit you should be made aware of like :
*you need a restrictor in your oil line to turbo if you want it to last more than a couple of events.
*The couplers don't last
*You should fit a modified AEM intake and ditch the Greddy one - it's crap
*the turbo itself is undersized for what you want to do - but can easily be upgraded.

If you didn't know all this already you should probably do some reading around here - lots of good info on how to make the greddy kit perform really well.

There are a few weak areas on the greddy kit you should be made aware of like :
*you need a restrictor in your oil line to turbo if you want it to last more than a couple of events.
*The couplers don't last
*You should fit a modified AEM intake and ditch the Greddy one - it's crap
*the turbo itself is undersized for what you want to do - but can easily be upgraded.

If you didn't know all this already you should probably do some reading around here - lots of good info on how to make the greddy kit perform really well.[/quote]


Thanks for the suggestions. I am going to have to disagree with you though on a few things.

A.) I got the RE-medy oil restrictor to boost oil pressure a tad (did not use the extra washers)
B.) I agree with you, im replacing the couplers
C.) greddy intake is fine.....don't be ridiculous
D.) turbo is fine for what I'm looking for, which is a relatively reliable renesis. Which is why I bought all sorts of supporting mods to keep this thing cool (oil and water) and not boost too much.

Thanks for everybody's input though. I should have the body all put together sometime this week and will post pics.

That's good but you need to restrict the flow of oil to the turbo or you will blow the oil seals real quick.


well it is fine in that it filters the air and is not a restriction to flow .
AEM is far superior because it gets air from outside the engine bay + it works better with the cobb AP.

ok - but expect 260ish whp (reliable) not 300 .

he's not being ridiculous. you get a better MAF tube setup, and you get the filter out of the hot ass engine bay. using the supplied greddy turbo with your intentions is not only contradictory to relibilty(regardless of upporting mods), it also is not going to perfom well in the manner you're wanting to use it

I'm going to be nice. Never reply thinking someone doesn't know their shit unless proven otherwise. I come from an extensive racing background on dirt where we are going sideways all the time using wings up to 25 sq ft in size. It's called sprint car racing. Being interested in fluid dynamics since my racing days and engineering background I've experimented and designed wings for my own use messing with the setups and even the smallest wing when placed on a car makes an effect regardless of high speed.

If you think they don't care about their wing when it influences their handling as they go sideways you're wrong. And if you just placed it on there because everyone else in the big leagues did it you're a prime example of monkey see, monkey do and just made your self look retarded, good job. Set your car up to handle well where it won't spin out with that park bench on your trunk, then take it off with the same setting. You'll be surprised.

Next time adjust your attitude, it might fare better in your social dynamics with other people instead of sounding like a wanna-be know it all mocking people who know quite a bit more about how things work than you do.

hahaha gotta love this forum

sorry ... space shuttles, birds, and biplanes have wings ... RX8s ... not so much ... unless your talking +500 whp then I see a need ... I'm just confused really ...

great build ... cant wait to see a vid :)

AZR - your build is very interesting and we want to see you do well . But when you can't get the whp you want ,have blown a few engines and destroyed a few turbos at least remember that we TRIED to help . ;)

If the plan is to do some serious drifitng, than the Turbo is a must. For shits and giggles on the backroads, then sure maybe its not needed. I dont know anything about the kit, but, clearly if any of you who have commented have seen a drift comp, live or not, you know these guys are moving fast. Most of the professional comps have a first turn entry speed of near 100, and not much space to get there. Really the only non FI'd cars you see are V8's, and the very rare AE86, but even those tend to fall behind on tandem runs when they start in the chase position.

The wing makes sense, if you dont think it does, then go take a science class. Im sure none of those rally cars need big wings either, its just for show...

aren't the ae86's turbo???

god bunch o0f stupid dicks with retarded comments car looks sick, different strokes for different folks,

should be sick

Some yes, but not all. You know the non turbo ones when they come along as they are extremely loud. So yes i probably should have specified more, but really there arent any NA professional drift cars, and the ones that are, tend to have 8 cylinders.

Dude you can drift anything.....

You guys are thinking about this turbo thing too much. The power setup for a drift car can vary like crazy! Yet still the drivers can compete on the same level. There are unbelievable drivers in <200hp ae86's that tear it up! While drifting right along side ass clown rhys millen in his 500+hp genesis. Sure it makes it easier to sustain long drifts with more power, and that is the reason for me getting the turbo. But, not because the NA rx8 cant do it. I was fortunate enough to have some extra cash to get some power while building this thing. I was more than willing to build this thing with just exhaust and intake for the first season and try it out.


Thanks for everybody's comments though. Aero should be back tomorrow and on the car tomorrow or saturday. Then were putting in the diff on saturday. My brother just finished his MKIII supra (w/ a 1JZ), so I'll probably post some pics of both of our cars.

Never did i say impossible without a turbo. I actually did agree in my first post that the car has plenty of power to start off with to drift. My point was to try and compete with nationally competitive cars, it is very very rare to see any car be able to do that na anymore, unless its a V8. It can be done, but you rarely, if ever see a NA car in national circuits, and the ones that are, are still tuned to a very high degree, which isnt a reality with the 8's.

Edit: Case in point, there is one, only one car under the listed professional drifters on the Formula Drift circuit that uses a NA car with less than eight cylinders, and it does happen to be an AE86. To think that it is stock, would just be stupid.

Could you have fun drifting in any rear wheel drive car, regardless of powertrain? Absolutely. Can you compete with some of the top drifters/cars without some kind of power adder on a smaller motor? Highly, highly unlikely, thus why most people dont even bother.

alright i dont want to start a big argument. But go ahead and search the legitamit professional drift circuit...D1 Grand Prix.

I understand what ur saying, but understand that my underlying point is that you can drift any level of power car (within reason), and dependent upon the driver can compete with the best of them.

Aero should be put on tomorrow, as well as the diff. I'll take some good quality pictures and post em up

updates?

scribed to read the non sense

GL to the OP w/the turbo build.

dropped it off today to get the cage done. They are also making me exhaust at the same shop, i just got a muffler to make it not exactly straight pipes (might be a bit too loud).

I'm getting it back from all that next friday, and then she is going straight to get tuned (cause mazdamaniac doesn't update shit for people's tune.) at a guy a few of my buddies have used for their rotary's. I got the aero back from getting painted, and the paint really didn't match, so I'm getting it re-sprayed. There really won't be any updates or pictures for like the next 3 weeks, as its going to getting this shit done and out of my hands.

i can already see this thread becoming more fun to read...

btw, what garage is doing the tuning? jw

I'm curious as to who is doing the cage up in Chicago?

Car is at Broke Dick Racing for the cage and exhaust. They don't typically do exhaust setups there, but they can make it work. He will have the car back to me this friday. So excited!!

Right after I get it back I'm gunna drive out to rockford to get it tuned by this guy Ryan Shook. He's tuned 2 of my buddies FC's (one turbo, one NA) and they have had awesome results. I know a few other people that have really liked his turnout. He'll have it until the following friday (1 week) and then we literally drive up to Wisconsin for the first drift event!! Either way I don't have to fuckin deal with Jeff (Mazda Maniac) anymore. He's a real prick

The aero unfortunately came back with the wrong shade of black!! Fuckin terrible, but whatever, they are respraying it for free. And I got time, as the car is going to be somewhere other than my house for the next 2 weeks.

Glad to see someone building a drift setup 8.
But everyone needs to stop saying the wing is needed, Its a drift car its there for looks not functionality. Theres a reason why nascars run 200+ mph in races without an ungoldy 50 foot wing. I think its ugly but yet a drift car isn't a drift car without one..

hahahaha bingo! finally someone chimes in. Strictly a "style" mod.

But i have to agree with ur last sentence....there are plenty of sick as drift cars with no wing. I chose chose to go that route.

What are you doing to the turbo to make it last? Cooling mods?

NASCAR and formula 1 have made both made modifactions to there cars....
Not saying it's big but to make only 1 turn there spoiler ain't small
https://a.espncdn.com/photo/2008/071...ohnson_580.jpg

Looking forward to updates.
Can I haz drifting lessons? :scratchhe

First off, no one said the wing was "needed". I, explained how the wing worked in the handling perspective to those, or rather, particularly one person earlier in the thread who asked about their effect. Some mocked my post when they have jack shit for experience tuning the handling of a car with a wing when going sideways. I'm done trying to teach the inexperienced arrogant young those simple facts.

Secondly, 50ft wing? Exaggerate much? NASCAR wings are small, especially compared to some of them used on those in road courses, Indy/F1 and Sprint Cars.

To the OP, good luck with whatever.

Welcome to rx8club...

do people really think drifting a N/A rx8 is that hard? 190whp stock compared to a s13 with what 90whp stock? lol.

well the cage is in.....
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I really like it. They did such a nice job cutting perfectly through the carpet and everything.

The exhaust was finally made and is on. It is getting a tune right now and should be completely done tomorrow. I cant wait to get it back.

There is a drift event this weekend and I am going to take some really good shots while up there, so I'll post some shit when i get back.

Cage turned out well.

looking forward to your pics of the event

nice