what kind of snow tire you have?
10-21-2005, 11:18 PM
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Just find out about this tread...Sorry
I am going to Golan Heights which is between Syria, Israel, Lebanon and Iran
Hot place as normal....
I would love to see all of you in a very near future sometime in November ??
Just tell me where and when, you all know, I will be there ...for a beer or two
I am going to Golan Heights which is between Syria, Israel, Lebanon and Iran
Hot place as normal....
I would love to see all of you in a very near future sometime in November ??
Just tell me where and when, you all know, I will be there ...for a beer or two
10-21-2005, 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Danielson
Just find out about this tread...Sorry
I am going to Golan Heights which is between Syria, Israel, Lebanon and Iran
Hot place as normal....
I would love to see all of you in a very near future sometime in November ??
Just tell me where and when, you all know, I will be there ...for a beer or two
I am going to Golan Heights which is between Syria, Israel, Lebanon and Iran
Hot place as normal....
I would love to see all of you in a very near future sometime in November ??
Just tell me where and when, you all know, I will be there ...for a beer or two
10-22-2005, 12:15 PM
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I thought my car had tire pressure sensors. I think they do! The speedo, tach and tripometer are affected by different wheel sizes. I'll go check it out at my dealership on wednesday
The speedo and odometer are NOT affected by wheel size - their accuracy is affected by TIRE DIAMETER. I could have 15" wheels with tall profile tires, or 20" wheels with very low profile tires, and the overall diameter would be the same, and the accuracy of the speedo and odometer would be unchanged (hypothetical, of course, since you can't fit wheels smaller than 17" on an RX-8). Even if you did change the tire diameter, the ABS and DSC won't care, since they only know the rate the wheel is turning (ie wheel rpm) - they have no way of knowing what diameter tire is on, and don't care. Obviously those systems are calibrated for the stock tire diameter, but minor variations won't matter. It will matter if you put on staggered tires where the tire diameter is not the same front and rear, but that's a different discussion.
If you put on 17" wheels with tires that have the same diameter as the original 18" tires, then your speed and odo will be unaffected. 215/55-17 and 225/50-17 are essentially the same diameter as the stock 225/45-18 tires (less than 1% difference).
Reasons for putting on 17" wheels for winter:
- Size. There's a bunch of 17" winter tires available in 215/55-17 size, the important part being the 215 width. That's narrower than the stock 18's 225 width, and for winter tires, narrower is better. In 18" tires, the narrowest you can get is 225.
- Cost. 17" winter tires are cheaper than 18" winter tires. More importantly, by mountin them on a separate set of wheels, you don't have to pay a tire shop to swap and balance your tires twice a year. A long time ago, I calculated that if you drove your RX-8 for 3 winters, the overall cost would be the same to buy separate 17" alloy wheels and 17" winter tires compared to buying 18" winter tires and paying to have tires dismounted, mounted, and balanced twice a year (not even considering the wear and tear on your wheels and tires from all that work). By the 4th winter, it's actually cheaper to use 17" winter tires on separate wheels.
- Convenience. Did it snow last night? I guess I'll throw on the winter tires before driving to work this morning! The guy relying on his tire store to change over can't even get to his tire store because the stock tires are treacherous and dangerous and useless on snow - but if he could, he'd have to wait all day in the first-snow rush to get the tires swapped! With separate winter wheels/tires, you can install and remove them at YOUR convenience.
Regards,
Gordon
PS - I run Toyo Garit HT 215/55-17 on 17" Konig Holes, bought from www.tiretrends.com . If I were buying this year, I'd get the Dunlop M3 - they weren't available in that 215 size when I bought 2 years ago..
10-22-2005, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by TLovr
also what is you opnion on snows that are only rates to 160km/h ( blizzak ws 50) do they feel mushy and not as responsive as other snows.
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Gordon
10-22-2005, 01:12 PM
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Sup guys!! hi gord!
I work for a high end car dealership (Mercedes) and own an rx8. Regarding snows for MB we put the same speed rating as the summer tires. God forbid we have some guy come in and we say buy the WS-50 “rated at 160km/h” and he is klippin down the highway at 250km/h in his S55 AMG and a tire blows b/c it deal with the speed(weather some is stupid enough to go that fast in winter is irrelevant" the point is that we recommended a tire that can't keep up with the car's performance, that's why on S55's we put Pirelli 240's snow sports good to 250km/h.
My point is that we have a responsibility to the customer, and making sure that he has piece if mind when he drives away in his $160k car knowing that he has noting to work about.
My question is that the mazda dealership recommender WS-50's to me!!! when my car is perfectly capable of exceeding that speed, i believe that, that is irresponsible on there part. I believe they should only recommend tires that are H rated and up!!!
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I work for a high end car dealership (Mercedes) and own an rx8. Regarding snows for MB we put the same speed rating as the summer tires. God forbid we have some guy come in and we say buy the WS-50 “rated at 160km/h” and he is klippin down the highway at 250km/h in his S55 AMG and a tire blows b/c it deal with the speed(weather some is stupid enough to go that fast in winter is irrelevant" the point is that we recommended a tire that can't keep up with the car's performance, that's why on S55's we put Pirelli 240's snow sports good to 250km/h.
My point is that we have a responsibility to the customer, and making sure that he has piece if mind when he drives away in his $160k car knowing that he has noting to work about.
My question is that the mazda dealership recommender WS-50's to me!!! when my car is perfectly capable of exceeding that speed, i believe that, that is irresponsible on there part. I believe they should only recommend tires that are H rated and up!!!
my 2 cests
tlovr out
10-22-2005, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Gord96BRG
Nothing to check out. If your car is Canadian spec, it definitely does not have TPMS. The tachometer is absolutely NOT affected by wheel size - it shows how fast the engine is turning, period. When your car is standing still or up on jacks, the tach shows engine rpm only!
The speedo and odometer are NOT affected by wheel size - their accuracy is affected by TIRE DIAMETER. I could have 15" wheels with tall profile tires, or 20" wheels with very low profile tires, and the overall diameter would be the same, and the accuracy of the speedo and odometer would be unchanged (hypothetical, of course, since you can't fit wheels smaller than 17" on an RX-8). Even if you did change the tire diameter, the ABS and DSC won't care, since they only know the rate the wheel is turning (ie wheel rpm) - they have no way of knowing what diameter tire is on, and don't care. Obviously those systems are calibrated for the stock tire diameter, but minor variations won't matter. It will matter if you put on staggered tires where the tire diameter is not the same front and rear, but that's a different discussion.
If you put on 17" wheels with tires that have the same diameter as the original 18" tires, then your speed and odo will be unaffected. 215/55-17 and 225/50-17 are essentially the same diameter as the stock 225/45-18 tires (less than 1% difference).
Reasons for putting on 17" wheels for winter:
- Size. There's a bunch of 17" winter tires available in 215/55-17 size, the important part being the 215 width. That's narrower than the stock 18's 225 width, and for winter tires, narrower is better. In 18" tires, the narrowest you can get is 225.
- Cost. 17" winter tires are cheaper than 18" winter tires. More importantly, by mountin them on a separate set of wheels, you don't have to pay a tire shop to swap and balance your tires twice a year. A long time ago, I calculated that if you drove your RX-8 for 3 winters, the overall cost would be the same to buy separate 17" alloy wheels and 17" winter tires compared to buying 18" winter tires and paying to have tires dismounted, mounted, and balanced twice a year (not even considering the wear and tear on your wheels and tires from all that work). By the 4th winter, it's actually cheaper to use 17" winter tires on separate wheels.
- Convenience. Did it snow last night? I guess I'll throw on the winter tires before driving to work this morning! The guy relying on his tire store to change over can't even get to his tire store because the stock tires are treacherous and dangerous and useless on snow - but if he could, he'd have to wait all day in the first-snow rush to get the tires swapped! With separate winter wheels/tires, you can install and remove them at YOUR convenience.
Regards,
Gordon
PS - I run Toyo Garit HT 215/55-17 on 17" Konig Holes, bought from www.tiretrends.com . If I were buying this year, I'd get the Dunlop M3 - they weren't available in that 215 size when I bought 2 years ago..
The speedo and odometer are NOT affected by wheel size - their accuracy is affected by TIRE DIAMETER. I could have 15" wheels with tall profile tires, or 20" wheels with very low profile tires, and the overall diameter would be the same, and the accuracy of the speedo and odometer would be unchanged (hypothetical, of course, since you can't fit wheels smaller than 17" on an RX-8). Even if you did change the tire diameter, the ABS and DSC won't care, since they only know the rate the wheel is turning (ie wheel rpm) - they have no way of knowing what diameter tire is on, and don't care. Obviously those systems are calibrated for the stock tire diameter, but minor variations won't matter. It will matter if you put on staggered tires where the tire diameter is not the same front and rear, but that's a different discussion.
If you put on 17" wheels with tires that have the same diameter as the original 18" tires, then your speed and odo will be unaffected. 215/55-17 and 225/50-17 are essentially the same diameter as the stock 225/45-18 tires (less than 1% difference).
Reasons for putting on 17" wheels for winter:
- Size. There's a bunch of 17" winter tires available in 215/55-17 size, the important part being the 215 width. That's narrower than the stock 18's 225 width, and for winter tires, narrower is better. In 18" tires, the narrowest you can get is 225.
- Cost. 17" winter tires are cheaper than 18" winter tires. More importantly, by mountin them on a separate set of wheels, you don't have to pay a tire shop to swap and balance your tires twice a year. A long time ago, I calculated that if you drove your RX-8 for 3 winters, the overall cost would be the same to buy separate 17" alloy wheels and 17" winter tires compared to buying 18" winter tires and paying to have tires dismounted, mounted, and balanced twice a year (not even considering the wear and tear on your wheels and tires from all that work). By the 4th winter, it's actually cheaper to use 17" winter tires on separate wheels.
- Convenience. Did it snow last night? I guess I'll throw on the winter tires before driving to work this morning! The guy relying on his tire store to change over can't even get to his tire store because the stock tires are treacherous and dangerous and useless on snow - but if he could, he'd have to wait all day in the first-snow rush to get the tires swapped! With separate winter wheels/tires, you can install and remove them at YOUR convenience.
Regards,
Gordon
PS - I run Toyo Garit HT 215/55-17 on 17" Konig Holes, bought from www.tiretrends.com . If I were buying this year, I'd get the Dunlop M3 - they weren't available in that 215 size when I bought 2 years ago..
Hey Thanks for the info. My original choice was the dunlops and it makes sense running on the 17".
10-22-2005, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by TLovr
Sup guys!! hi gord!
I work for a high end car dealership (Mercedes) and own an rx8. Regarding snows for MB we put the same speed rating as the summer tires. God forbid we have some guy come in and we say buy the WS-50 “rated at 160km/h” and he is klippin down the highway at 250km/h in his S55 AMG and a tire blows b/c it deal with the speed(weather some is stupid enough to go that fast in winter is irrelevant" the point is that we recommended a tire that can't keep up with the car's performance, that's why on S55's we put Pirelli 240's snow sports good to 250km/h.
My point is that we have a responsibility to the customer, and making sure that he has piece if mind when he drives away in his $160k car knowing that he has noting to work about.
My question is that the mazda dealership recommender WS-50's to me!!! when my car is perfectly capable of exceeding that speed, i believe that, that is irresponsible on there part. I believe they should only recommend tires that are H rated and up!!!
my 2 cests
tlovr out
I work for a high end car dealership (Mercedes) and own an rx8. Regarding snows for MB we put the same speed rating as the summer tires. God forbid we have some guy come in and we say buy the WS-50 “rated at 160km/h” and he is klippin down the highway at 250km/h in his S55 AMG and a tire blows b/c it deal with the speed(weather some is stupid enough to go that fast in winter is irrelevant" the point is that we recommended a tire that can't keep up with the car's performance, that's why on S55's we put Pirelli 240's snow sports good to 250km/h.
My point is that we have a responsibility to the customer, and making sure that he has piece if mind when he drives away in his $160k car knowing that he has noting to work about.
My question is that the mazda dealership recommender WS-50's to me!!! when my car is perfectly capable of exceeding that speed, i believe that, that is irresponsible on there part. I believe they should only recommend tires that are H rated and up!!!
my 2 cests
tlovr out
Well I can tell you for sure, I have the WS50 and go 160km/h and even faster no problem with my tires during the winter but if you want more expensive tires and don't mind paying ridiculous price for tires rated 250km/h, go ahead... I love my Blizzak....Maybe sometime next winter, we should all get together and go to a empty parking lots and test, compares all differents winter tires all at once...I will be curious to see the results...
10-23-2005, 10:18 PM
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Why? Aside from the occasional Austin Mini, rear wheel drive is all anybody drove until the late 70s or early 80s, when front wheel drive started to become popular. Canadians were driving RWD cars in winter for over 70 years! They weren't waiting around until FWD was invented... 
The drive wheels really don't matter - they affect acceleration. What affects cornering and stopping? (and those aspects are probably much more important than accelerating...) TIRES. Proper winter tires are the most important factor for safely driving in winter. I'll take a RWD car on winter tires ANY winter day before a FWD or AWD on all-seasons. Put a RWD, FWD, and AWD car each on winter tires, and yes, the RWD car will not be able to accelerate as fast as an AWD car - but otherwise, the RWD car on winter tires will get around just fine in winter conditions.
Regards,
Gordon
The drive wheels really don't matter - they affect acceleration. What affects cornering and stopping? (and those aspects are probably much more important than accelerating...) TIRES. Proper winter tires are the most important factor for safely driving in winter. I'll take a RWD car on winter tires ANY winter day before a FWD or AWD on all-seasons. Put a RWD, FWD, and AWD car each on winter tires, and yes, the RWD car will not be able to accelerate as fast as an AWD car - but otherwise, the RWD car on winter tires will get around just fine in winter conditions.
Regards,
Gordon
10-24-2005, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Danielson
Well I can tell you for sure, I have the WS50 and go 160km/h and even faster no problem with my tires during the winter but if you want more expensive tires and don't mind paying ridiculous price for tires rated 250km/h, go ahead... I love my Blizzak....Maybe sometime next winter, we should all get together and go to a empty parking lots and test, compares all differents winter tires all at once...I will be curious to see the results...
I even did close to 200 km/h after getting them installed.....just a bit mushy, but otherwise nothing else was wrong.
The LM22 have a higher speed rating and cost more....it's your choice.
But do you really need to do more than 160 when there's snow and ice on the roads? If so then get the higher-rated snow tires....and a good life insurance policy
10-24-2005, 07:48 PM
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I Loved My Japanese Toyos last winter. Paid way less for them than the French and US crap. Tell me another tire company that puts crushed walnut shells in their tires. And going to the meets I did .. everybody loved the way they looked. 
10-26-2005, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Mic Jagger
I Loved My Japanese Toyos last winter. Paid way less for them than the French and US crap. Tell me another tire company that puts crushed walnut shells in their tires. And going to the meets I did .. everybody loved the way they looked.
J/K.
10-27-2005, 08:02 PM
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Sham I'm with Dan .. put your money where your mouth is... Lets get together this winter and put this puppy to rest ... The only good things I think France produces is wine and french ****** ... snow tires are not on the list... :eatme: 
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Originally Posted by Mic Jagger
Sham I'm with Dan .. put your money where your mouth is... Lets get together this winter and put this puppy to rest ... The only good things I think France produces is wine and french ****** ... snow tires are not on the list... :eatme:
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Originally Posted by The Chad
I also have the WS50s and had no problems last winter.
I even did close to 200 km/h after getting them installed.....just a bit mushy, but otherwise nothing else was wrong.
The LM22 have a higher speed rating and cost more....it's your choice.
But do you really need to do more than 160 when there's snow and ice on the roads? If so then get the higher-rated snow tires....and a good life insurance policy
I even did close to 200 km/h after getting them installed.....just a bit mushy, but otherwise nothing else was wrong.
The LM22 have a higher speed rating and cost more....it's your choice.
But do you really need to do more than 160 when there's snow and ice on the roads? If so then get the higher-rated snow tires....and a good life insurance policy
I agree completely! No one is going to exceed ( at least no one who values their life, car and those around them) 160 km/hr on a snow covered highway. I have the WS 50 tires on my car ( RX8 ) and a friend with a 2003 M3 has the same and we both love them, even though both vehicles are capable of speeds far in excess of the tire rating.
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Originally Posted by heidi
I agree completely! No one is going to exceed ( at least no one who values their life, car and those around them) 160 km/hr on a snow covered highway. I have the WS 50 tires on my car ( RX8 ) and a friend with a 2003 M3 has the same and we both love them, even though both vehicles are capable of speeds far in excess of the tire rating.
10-29-2005, 07:31 PM
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I loved my Toyo's for traction and grip etc. as long as I was going in a straight line. But like I bob and weave between cars and hit mega "S" bends in the summer, no can do the same in my "H" rated ( I forget now ) Toyos. Think Shams "V" rated French Crap would be better.... Loved it when I took the snowies off. Hate the thought of putting them on... :boobies: :boobies: :boobies:
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Just got my 215-55R17 Dunlop Graspics. I wanted the M3's but there was none in stock. Anyways, this should help me not to drive crazy. I don't want to wear these tires out to fast and well these aren't performance tires. Hope they do good. Slipped a little on ice and dry pavement but that's probably to be expected. I'll keep updating. Hope snow comes soon since I have Winter tires on both cars.
11-17-2005, 08:42 PM
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I put on 225-50-17 Hankook W300 tires on 17" alloy rims from TireTrends.
The Icebear tires are very quiet compared to the RE040s (but what isn't?)
Grip seems pretty good, even with the squishy feel.
The Icebear tires are very quiet compared to the RE040s (but what isn't?)
Grip seems pretty good, even with the squishy feel.