Railton

When Mazda replaces my enigne at 145,000 kms then how long is the engine warranty good for, till I reach 160,000 kms or ? Has anyone in similar circumstances asked?
Seems to me given that this is my 2nd rebuilt going in and that the first replacment was only good for two years that I should be asking for a year at least regardless of milage.
Comments?
Railton

two rotors

Standard warranty on rebuilts is 12 months or 20,000km whichever comes first.

Berik316

Hey Railton, did the dealership offer a rental car for you ?

01Racing

The 12 months or 20,000km only applies on an engine that was purchased by the customer. When warranty work is done, the only warranty is the balance of the warranty left on the vehicle, wether it be 2 months or 5 years.

Railton

Yup, I've been driving a Charger for over a week now. The motor is back ordered so I'm not sure how long they will offer this rental to me.
Railton

Railton

That's what I expected.
Seeing as how this is the second time for a rebuild I am not confident that this new engine will last any longer than 2 more years.
01; What are the chances of Mazda having this warranty extended further given the circumstances if I discuss with them?
Railton

rotarygreg

i was under the impression that they are supplying new engines now as the rebuild program was not exactly working out. someone correct me if im wrong. also, ask kevin (zmfnzm). he had a warranty engine put in a few months back and had to wait about a month for his to come in.

BTW ted. whats wrong with this engine? are we talking catastrophic failure, or did it just peter out and has no power/wont start due to no compression? I know at the beggining of the summer we were talking about a strange noise and severe lack of power on the highway/long drives but last we spoke that went away. I just recently dealt with this problem on my car. the zoom power cleaner did wonders for me. the noise is still present, but ive got all kinds of power even on very long highway drives.

Railton

Greg, As you know the motor has had a series of intermittent issues (the long drive to Ottawa and return back right after the Plugs, coils and wires install you completed) since the Spring. Intermittent loss of power (and that flapping plastic bag in the wind noise again with it) poor-er gas mileage, hard starting when hot. Just slowly getting worse.
I've never tried the zoom cleaner. How often should it ben used and where to purchase? I think I am also going to start premixing. I would like this 3rd engine to last longer than the last even at the risk of changing a CAT once ina while.
Railton

rotarygreg

the zoom power cleaner is a mazda product, although its not something i recomend doing in your driveway. there was a thread where i agrued about that with a few members a while back. basically, once you put it into the engine and let it sit for a while, then you start it up and have to use the IDS or equivilant computer with mazda software to go in and crank up the oil injection to max and let it idle like that for 15 minutes. when i got the engine started after letting it sit with the zoom cleaner in it, it sounded aweful. as soon as i got the IDS hooked up and cranked the oil injection up (from 3 at idle to 60 which is max) it smoothed right out and was quiet as a mouse. this is why i dont recomend doing it yourself unless you happen to have access the dealer only programs/computer i mentioned.

i still have a strange noise which i have a few theories on but am too lazy to try out, but the power is back in full force. drove for 45 mins ont he highway and at that point i still had more poewr in 6th than i would have in 3rd before i did the cleaner. before, i would be barely able to hold the car at speed in the more hilly sections of highway, in fact the cruise control was unable to hold the car at speed after prolonged highway travel. i would downshift, and it would just be more noise. all the way donw into 3rd gear at 120 and the car would barely creep ahead, 1km/h at a time. now, it accelerates like it should in all gears all the time. Ill be doing this to my car once a year from now on, after winter every time as im sure all the "taking it easy" you do in the winter really causes the car to build up with carbon.

as for premixing, good luck with that. I dont beleive in it myself, but there seems to be quite a few people that do it with good success. may want to talk with nate, i know he premixes and it seems to be working out for him.

my engine has 110 000 on it. and as far as i can tell its the original engine. i've done plugs coils and wires all around 20 000km ago and now with this zoom cleaner its running like a brand new engine (although with that strange noise under certain conditions). We'll see what happens over the winter though.

delhi

What? Your 2nd engine now? Didn't you have one replaced not long ago?

Railton

Yes, two years ago.
Railton

Railton

Got the 8 back yesterday morning. All is well again.
In the end the dealer also replaced the Manifold (part 3 N3H6-13-100R) I saw the bill with the prices on it and this was a $1800 item, replaced under warranty, even though I am over the Warranty period. Kudos to the dealer!
Something else they replaced was "valve core part 3 00WU-46-995-48)
Anyone know what this is?

Compression on the old motor was
rotor 1 - 88.39, 92.86 and 93.40 @ 225-230 RPM
rotor 2 - 91.03, 93.97 and 96.72 @ 225-230 RPM

This work all in would have been really expensive for me if the dealer had not footed the bill. A rental car for 22 days on top of this (and a Cherokee and Charger to boot) and needless to say I am quite impressed with the dealer customer service of Oakville Mazda.
They've been under new ownership for the last 12 months or more. Prior to that they were ranked around ~150 out of Canadian Dealers for cusotmer service. Now, they are ranked 6th and apparently, shooting for 4th.
Raiton

rotarygreg

wow, glad to hear how it all worked out ted. those numbers were really weak. Im really impressed the payed for that manifold for you. I'll try and figure out what that "valve core" part is for you, but if i had to guess i would say its something to do with the secondary shutter valve. the lower intake manifold comes with the aux port valves as a unit, so that mostly just leaves the SSV.

Railton

Yes Greg, Oakville Mazda Service dept Mgr is #1 in my books.
I originally used Oakville Mazda about 4 years ago when under the old owner/management. Night and day between them now.

My only concern moving forward is that I am worried about how long this new motor will last. I got 2 years out of the old one but cosidering that I treated this last one well and still it needed replacing I consider that it is just a metter of time before this one will need replacing and quite frankly, I don;' want to pay for it the next time either.
Railton

rotarygreg

well whats treated it well mean?
I mean, my engine is the original one. my cars a late 04 with 111 000+ on it now, and she's running stronger than ever. I dont babie it. I dont imagine the previous owner babied it. i dont change the oil every 2 000km. I dont beat on it constantly.
Its like there is no common formula for making a renesis last. some people get a good one and it does its job for ages. others tear them apart for seemingly no reason what soever.
If you are that worried, then i would think now is the time to get out of the rx8 game. the types of people i see buying these cars used now, save for a few, are the type that will mistreat them and drag their name and value down.
Im not too worried about engine life. Im figuring ill probably need a fresh engine before i hit 160k, but im not worried about it.
also, did you ask the dealer about the warranty question when you got the car back?

ZmFnZm

Yup, took 5 weeks for my rebuilt engine to show up...... and about 3 months after the install i'm getting a bad growling rattling noise at high rpm! Dealer thinks its the throw out bearing on the clutch, but we are waiting till spring to finally figure it out.


Good luck with your replacement!

Railton

Warranty will be 8 years or 160,000 kms, whichever comes first.
Interesting, the clutch apparently is still good at 145,000.
The next question is premix or not from now on?
Railton

Black Hatch

Wow Railton. Didnt know you had problems with your RX-8 engine.

rotarygreg

alright Ted. i finially remembered to look into that part in question. i cant figure out what it is. i have another theory on it now...what was the cost of this part?

Railton

I think it was around $1700-$1800!!!
I'm hoping it is the SSV.
So far so good with the new motor. Took a drive to Newmarket and back yesterday afternoon and really got to test the motor out on the steep grades up through the moraine on the #400. No problems, accelerated even in 6th and hard on the #9 South bound on ramp ascent heading back into TO.
I've put about 500-600kms on it so far. No revs above 6K yet.
Railton

Railton

Hey Greg, Did you find out what the 'something else' they replaced was "valve core part 3 00WU-46-995-48)?
The new motor has been AOK so far. Needless to say, I'm hoping it stays that way.
For fun on Sunday past I went to Oakville Nissan/Infiniti. A salesperson there was quite willing to toss me the keys to a 370Z with the sport package so I obliged him. My, my, lots of grunt and tight. Really low roof compared to an 8, even hit my head getting into the little bugger.
After it I walked over to the other side of the building and took out a G37S M6 Coupe. In it, I felt all grown up, like I had to watch my manners and junk - no spitting out the windows if you know what I mean. Somehow 'it' does not appeal to me although it's a really nice package.
They offered me $7K for the 8. A far cry from the $11k that 'some' have said they could get at the auction.
Railton