Season Ended with a BANG!
09-29-2008, 07:27 AM
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Season Ended with a BANG!
Well it was our last race of the season yesterday and it ended the way it started! We had gone out in the morning and it was very cold, my temp gauge was either not working or it was that cold havent figured that out yet. The morning races were okay, in the G70 race we went from 28th to 9th overall and 3rd in class. The car ran well I set my fastest lap ever but was fighting it all the way. In the GT race we went from 33rd to 9th and was about 3/4 second slower than the 1st race the handling was worse. We switched to my last set of sticker tires for the final G70 race. Wow! The car was a missle! We went from 9th overall to 3rd and 1st in class, I had the whole back straight lead on the second place car and was closing in for 2nd overall when it went wrong. There was a strong smell of oil and then the power slowly started going away. Once in the pits we found that the engine had pressurized the crankcase and blown about a litre or 2 of oil all over and even inside the car! The engine did not want to rev cleanly so we know its hurt bad. In that last race when the engine went away we set the fastest laps the car has ever gone with a string of laps in the 1.36's not just one quick lap. We will tear it down this week and find out what went wrong. Sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
09-29-2008, 07:51 AM
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Well it was our last race of the season yesterday and it ended the way it started! We had gone out in the morning and it was very cold, my temp gauge was either not working or it was that cold havent figured that out yet. The morning races were okay, in the G70 race we went from 28th to 9th overall and 3rd in class. The car ran well I set my fastest lap ever but was fighting it all the way. In the GT race we went from 33rd to 9th and was about 3/4 second slower than the 1st race the handling was worse. We switched to my last set of sticker tires for the final G70 race. Wow! The car was a missle! We went from 9th overall to 3rd and 1st in class, I had the whole back straight lead on the second place car and was closing in for 2nd overall when it went wrong. There was a strong smell of oil and then the power slowly started going away. Once in the pits we found that the engine had pressurized the crankcase and blown about a litre or 2 of oil all over and even inside the car! The engine did not want to rev cleanly so we know its hurt bad. In that last race when the engine went away we set the fastest laps the car has ever gone with a string of laps in the 1.36's not just one quick lap. We will tear it down this week and find out what went wrong. Sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Further proof "A Rotary Race Car's Fastest Lap Is Always It's Last".
Sucks to hear man. When I was there you said you would still race that car if everything held up next year..... so I guess you need to start building the widebody?
09-29-2008, 10:51 AM
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Well it was our last race of the season yesterday and it ended the way it started! We had gone out in the morning and it was very cold, my temp gauge was either not working or it was that cold havent figured that out yet. The morning races were okay, in the G70 race we went from 28th to 9th overall and 3rd in class. The car ran well I set my fastest lap ever but was fighting it all the way. In the GT race we went from 33rd to 9th and was about 3/4 second slower than the 1st race the handling was worse. We switched to my last set of sticker tires for the final G70 race. Wow! The car was a missle! We went from 9th overall to 3rd and 1st in class, I had the whole back straight lead on the second place car and was closing in for 2nd overall when it went wrong. There was a strong smell of oil and then the power slowly started going away. Once in the pits we found that the engine had pressurized the crankcase and blown about a litre or 2 of oil all over and even inside the car! The engine did not want to rev cleanly so we know its hurt bad. In that last race when the engine went away we set the fastest laps the car has ever gone with a string of laps in the 1.36's not just one quick lap. We will tear it down this week and find out what went wrong. Sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Wow... that's was quite the result you were working on there. Congrats on the first stint... and here's to hoping there there isn't too much damage to the engine.
When do we get to see the video's? :D
09-29-2008, 11:41 AM
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Well my temp gauge is working so its our own fault for running it too cold. Anyone want to come by tomorrow night and help pull the engine out? My engine builder will have it fixed quickly if we didnt wreck a housing etc. There are a number of reasons I dont want to do the LS1 swap. 1st and foremost I am a Mazda dealer! 2nd if we put a V8 in it or even a 3 rotor I cant run the car in any Vintage races anywhere, which makes the car worthless.
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Well my temp gauge is working so its our own fault for running it too cold. Anyone want to come by tomorrow night and help pull the engine out? My engine builder will have it fixed quickly if we didnt wreck a housing etc. There are a number of reasons I dont want to do the LS1 swap. 1st and foremost I am a Mazda dealer! 2nd if we put a V8 in it or even a 3 rotor I cant run the car in any Vintage races anywhere, which makes the car worthless.
10-01-2008, 09:21 AM
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We pulled the engine down last, and it wasnt as bad as 1st thought. It was a side seal on the rear rotor that failed because the epoxy that plugs the stock ports was expanding out and finally took out a chunk of side seal. So nothing major was damaged or hurt. Now to do a little bit of exhaust work on the rotor housings while its apart................hee hee.
10-03-2008, 12:10 PM
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Well it was our last race of the season yesterday and it ended the way it started! We had gone out in the morning and it was very cold, my temp gauge was either not working or it was that cold havent figured that out yet. The morning races were okay, in the G70 race we went from 28th to 9th overall and 3rd in class. The car ran well I set my fastest lap ever but was fighting it all the way. In the GT race we went from 33rd to 9th and was about 3/4 second slower than the 1st race the handling was worse. We switched to my last set of sticker tires for the final G70 race. Wow! The car was a missle! We went from 9th overall to 3rd and 1st in class, I had the whole back straight lead on the second place car and was closing in for 2nd overall when it went wrong. There was a strong smell of oil and then the power slowly started going away. Once in the pits we found that the engine had pressurized the crankcase and blown about a litre or 2 of oil all over and even inside the car! The engine did not want to rev cleanly so we know its hurt bad. In that last race when the engine went away we set the fastest laps the car has ever gone with a string of laps in the 1.36's not just one quick lap. We will tear it down this week and find out what went wrong. Sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
10-03-2008, 06:08 PM
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1:36 at Mosport?
Not too bad, but I would have thought the car would have more in it.
What are the numbers for weight and power?
Gotta be over 170hp to the wheels and about 2200lbs.
Are you able to run flat through turn 4, and 8?
It is wild watching the ALMS cars hit 180mph into turn 8.
Even cooler watching them flat 3 wide around turn 2 at the bottom of the hill.
1:36 just seems so pedestrian compared to real race cars.
Not to take anything away from 1:36 - that's quite respectable I guess for an that angry sewing machine you have in your car.
I mean the bridgeport sounds the part - just doesn't go fast.
But to look at some competition - KONI ST class 2008 Mosport
An RX-8 ran under 1:35..
I mean - you can't even beat an rx-8 that ran a 1:34.7 ??
Your FC stripped down race car gets beat up by a family grocery getter that runs a sealed stock engine?
Don't use those BIG BUDGET excuses either. Your car should be under 1:30.
Get it fixed and come back next season to represent the rotaries.
Not too bad, but I would have thought the car would have more in it.
What are the numbers for weight and power?
Gotta be over 170hp to the wheels and about 2200lbs.
Are you able to run flat through turn 4, and 8?
It is wild watching the ALMS cars hit 180mph into turn 8.
Even cooler watching them flat 3 wide around turn 2 at the bottom of the hill.
1:36 just seems so pedestrian compared to real race cars.
Not to take anything away from 1:36 - that's quite respectable I guess for an that angry sewing machine you have in your car.
I mean the bridgeport sounds the part - just doesn't go fast.
But to look at some competition - KONI ST class 2008 Mosport
An RX-8 ran under 1:35..
I mean - you can't even beat an rx-8 that ran a 1:34.7 ??
Your FC stripped down race car gets beat up by a family grocery getter that runs a sealed stock engine?
Don't use those BIG BUDGET excuses either. Your car should be under 1:30.
Get it fixed and come back next season to represent the rotaries.
10-03-2008, 11:23 PM
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1:36 at Mosport?
Not too bad, but I would have thought the car would have more in it.
What are the numbers for weight and power?
Gotta be over 170hp to the wheels and about 2200lbs.
Are you able to run flat through turn 4, and 8?
It is wild watching the ALMS cars hit 180mph into turn 8.
Even cooler watching them flat 3 wide around turn 2 at the bottom of the hill.
1:36 just seems so pedestrian compared to real race cars.
Not to take anything away from 1:36 - that's quite respectable I guess for an that angry sewing machine you have in your car.
I mean the bridgeport sounds the part - just doesn't go fast.
But to look at some competition - KONI ST class 2008 Mosport
An RX-8 ran under 1:35..
I mean - you can't even beat an rx-8 that ran a 1:34.7 ??
Your FC stripped down race car gets beat up by a family grocery getter that runs a sealed stock engine?
Don't use those BIG BUDGET excuses either. Your car should be under 1:30.
Get it fixed and come back next season to represent the rotaries.
Not too bad, but I would have thought the car would have more in it.
What are the numbers for weight and power?
Gotta be over 170hp to the wheels and about 2200lbs.
Are you able to run flat through turn 4, and 8?
It is wild watching the ALMS cars hit 180mph into turn 8.
Even cooler watching them flat 3 wide around turn 2 at the bottom of the hill.
1:36 just seems so pedestrian compared to real race cars.
Not to take anything away from 1:36 - that's quite respectable I guess for an that angry sewing machine you have in your car.
I mean the bridgeport sounds the part - just doesn't go fast.
But to look at some competition - KONI ST class 2008 Mosport
An RX-8 ran under 1:35..
I mean - you can't even beat an rx-8 that ran a 1:34.7 ??
Your FC stripped down race car gets beat up by a family grocery getter that runs a sealed stock engine?
Don't use those BIG BUDGET excuses either. Your car should be under 1:30.
Get it fixed and come back next season to represent the rotaries.
10-04-2008, 12:42 AM
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1:36 at Mosport?
Not too bad, but I would have thought the car would have more in it.
What are the numbers for weight and power?
Gotta be over 170hp to the wheels and about 2200lbs.
Are you able to run flat through turn 4, and 8?
It is wild watching the ALMS cars hit 180mph into turn 8.
Even cooler watching them flat 3 wide around turn 2 at the bottom of the hill.
1:36 just seems so pedestrian compared to real race cars.
Not to take anything away from 1:36 - that's quite respectable I guess for an that angry sewing machine you have in your car.
I mean the bridgeport sounds the part - just doesn't go fast.
But to look at some competition - KONI ST class 2008 Mosport
An RX-8 ran under 1:35..
I mean - you can't even beat an rx-8 that ran a 1:34.7 ??
Your FC stripped down race car gets beat up by a family grocery getter that runs a sealed stock engine?
Don't use those BIG BUDGET excuses either. Your car should be under 1:30.
Get it fixed and come back next season to represent the rotaries.
Not too bad, but I would have thought the car would have more in it.
What are the numbers for weight and power?
Gotta be over 170hp to the wheels and about 2200lbs.
Are you able to run flat through turn 4, and 8?
It is wild watching the ALMS cars hit 180mph into turn 8.
Even cooler watching them flat 3 wide around turn 2 at the bottom of the hill.
1:36 just seems so pedestrian compared to real race cars.
Not to take anything away from 1:36 - that's quite respectable I guess for an that angry sewing machine you have in your car.
I mean the bridgeport sounds the part - just doesn't go fast.
But to look at some competition - KONI ST class 2008 Mosport
An RX-8 ran under 1:35..
I mean - you can't even beat an rx-8 that ran a 1:34.7 ??
Your FC stripped down race car gets beat up by a family grocery getter that runs a sealed stock engine?
Don't use those BIG BUDGET excuses either. Your car should be under 1:30.
Get it fixed and come back next season to represent the rotaries.
2004 Mazda RX8 without sunroof
1.3 L 2 Rotor by Stewart Engine
MazdaSpeed intake and pulleys
Custom header and exhaust
Mazda LSD w/Mazda 5.12 ring and pinion
Setrab oil coolers
Stock ABS with various Hawk Brake compounds
Mazdaspeed front and rear swaybars
AIM MXL display
Recaro seats and Schroth belts
6 speed trans by Tex
Mazdaspeed Aero kits
9.0 X 17 Enkei wheels with 225/45/17 Grand Am Hoosiers
Koni Challenge spec shocks with Hyperco Springs
2,650 lb. dry weight
We would LOVE THAT ONE!!! We can even put your name on the race car if you can sponsor us
Moreover, the lap times are in race condition with 40 other cars at times...which means Al will get blocked by slower traffic a lot of the time.
Regardless though, I do believe we can drop a few more seconds...when shes back to full health and we can find a good gear box solution...
10-05-2008, 09:25 AM
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1:36 at Mosport?
Not too bad, but I would have thought the car would have more in it.
What are the numbers for weight and power?
Gotta be over 170hp to the wheels and about 2200lbs.
Are you able to run flat through turn 4, and 8?
It is wild watching the ALMS cars hit 180mph into turn 8.
Even cooler watching them flat 3 wide around turn 2 at the bottom of the hill.
1:36 just seems so pedestrian compared to real race cars.
Not to take anything away from 1:36 - that's quite respectable I guess for an that angry sewing machine you have in your car.
I mean the bridgeport sounds the part - just doesn't go fast.
But to look at some competition - KONI ST class 2008 Mosport
An RX-8 ran under 1:35..
I mean - you can't even beat an rx-8 that ran a 1:34.7 ??
Your FC stripped down race car gets beat up by a family grocery getter that runs a sealed stock engine?
Don't use those BIG BUDGET excuses either. Your car should be under 1:30.
Get it fixed and come back next season to represent the rotaries.
Not too bad, but I would have thought the car would have more in it.
What are the numbers for weight and power?
Gotta be over 170hp to the wheels and about 2200lbs.
Are you able to run flat through turn 4, and 8?
It is wild watching the ALMS cars hit 180mph into turn 8.
Even cooler watching them flat 3 wide around turn 2 at the bottom of the hill.
1:36 just seems so pedestrian compared to real race cars.
Not to take anything away from 1:36 - that's quite respectable I guess for an that angry sewing machine you have in your car.
I mean the bridgeport sounds the part - just doesn't go fast.
But to look at some competition - KONI ST class 2008 Mosport
An RX-8 ran under 1:35..
I mean - you can't even beat an rx-8 that ran a 1:34.7 ??
Your FC stripped down race car gets beat up by a family grocery getter that runs a sealed stock engine?
Don't use those BIG BUDGET excuses either. Your car should be under 1:30.
Get it fixed and come back next season to represent the rotaries.
10-05-2008, 10:21 AM
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I dont know anyone on this fourm... I know AL and to do 1.36 or faster in a car that has no torq up the back stright you have to have *****.. I am sure Al can do another 2 second faster in his car right now... but when you dont have the budget pro teams do, or have bodys laying around or given to you by mazda, you kind of brake in 2 and 8 lol...
race car rx8's have better handling and braking than a 2nd gen rx7. well at least my car anyway
I have never seen a non tube race not brake or let off down two or eight. and coming out of the corner still looking the same.lol Maybe in gt c,d cars
I have been around the track at 1.33 in my bro race which was crazy for my 3rd race session with no practice days there... Still a bit off his fastest time at 1.27
race car rx8's have better handling and braking than a 2nd gen rx7. well at least my car anyway
I have never seen a non tube race not brake or let off down two or eight. and coming out of the corner still looking the same.lol Maybe in gt c,d cars
I have been around the track at 1.33 in my bro race which was crazy for my 3rd race session with no practice days there... Still a bit off his fastest time at 1.27
10-05-2008, 08:56 PM
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I dont know anyone on this fourm... I know AL and to do 1.36 or faster in a car that has no torq up the back stright you have to have *****.. I am sure Al can do another 2 second faster in his car right now... but when you dont have the budget pro teams do, or have bodys laying around or given to you by mazda, you kind of brake in 2 and 8 lol...
race car rx8's have better handling and braking than a 2nd gen rx7. well at least my car anyway
I have never seen a non tube race not brake or let off down two or eight. and coming out of the corner still looking the same.lol Maybe in gt c,d cars
I have been around the track at 1.33 in my bro race which was crazy for my 3rd race session with no practice days there... Still a bit off his fastest time at 1.27
race car rx8's have better handling and braking than a 2nd gen rx7. well at least my car anyway
I have never seen a non tube race not brake or let off down two or eight. and coming out of the corner still looking the same.lol Maybe in gt c,d cars
I have been around the track at 1.33 in my bro race which was crazy for my 3rd race session with no practice days there... Still a bit off his fastest time at 1.27
Its guy like you and your brother that make going to the track fun, and between us we can all keep the "rotary banner" flying. For those of you that dont know Marlon, he and his brother/family own Can-Saf Auto repairs in Oshawa and race a 3-rotor periperhal port 3rd gen RX7. The car is bullet fast and phenominally prepared! They also have a street driven 2nd gen turbo 3-rotor that just made 604 RWHP!
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10-06-2008, 02:31 PM
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Al - All that matters is you are competitive in your class right?
What I don't understand though is how you have these Koni cars - such as a miata pulling similar times?
Say all you want about suspension, and transmission - but really what are we talking about?
Mosport is a FAST track. There isn't that much shifting going on.
Sure you could run a full sequential and shave a bit of time but 2-3 seconds?
Are you shifting a tractor?
Suspension? SCC did a suspension test with an S2000 - not identical cars - so the test is a bit flawed. Here is the cover
The FC is a museum piece - any suspension setup should be well sorted by now.
Are you telling me it is just money that is preventing you from breaking 1:30?
What is wrong with clever engineering, and damn good driving?
These guys in the KONI challenge are working with new platforms with rules - albeit much bigger budgets.
Kensai Racing was able to produce some very competitive cars when they were running.
Keep the rotaries running on these circuits. It's just too bad that they can't dominate in the same way the 787B did.
What I don't understand though is how you have these Koni cars - such as a miata pulling similar times?
Say all you want about suspension, and transmission - but really what are we talking about?
Mosport is a FAST track. There isn't that much shifting going on.
Sure you could run a full sequential and shave a bit of time but 2-3 seconds?
Are you shifting a tractor?
Suspension? SCC did a suspension test with an S2000 - not identical cars - so the test is a bit flawed. Here is the cover
The FC is a museum piece - any suspension setup should be well sorted by now.
Are you telling me it is just money that is preventing you from breaking 1:30?
What is wrong with clever engineering, and damn good driving?
These guys in the KONI challenge are working with new platforms with rules - albeit much bigger budgets.
Kensai Racing was able to produce some very competitive cars when they were running.
Keep the rotaries running on these circuits. It's just too bad that they can't dominate in the same way the 787B did.
10-06-2008, 03:20 PM
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Like I said I dont know who you are or basing your expertise on Road Racing. Obviously you know me and wont share your identity with us. Be that as it may I will share a few thoughts with you. With a 4spd trans we are shifting 11 times per lap right now with a synchromesh transmission. Think about how much time that takes. If you think a sequential gear box would only save 2 seconds a lap think again. Also think how much faster the car would be with another usuable gear.
Now also think about the fact that if I write-off my car my racing career is over. Unlike possibly you or pro teams that run in Grand-Am I cant just run "***** to the wall" without the fear of the circumstances of doing so. That in itself is always worth a couple of seconds a lap at least. We have run 4 years so far and not put a scratch on the car. You can call that being a ***** if you want. For some reason I get the impression that you think my ego says I am the best driver out there, which is so far from the truth its not funny. All I can say is that for the budget we have I think my team gives me one of the best prepared cars in its class, and I try my best to go as fast as I can without taking unnecessary chances of contact or wrecking my car. Comparing my car with a Koni Challenge car or otherwise is just ridiculous, they spend more in a weekend than I do in 2 years.
Now also think about the fact that if I write-off my car my racing career is over. Unlike possibly you or pro teams that run in Grand-Am I cant just run "***** to the wall" without the fear of the circumstances of doing so. That in itself is always worth a couple of seconds a lap at least. We have run 4 years so far and not put a scratch on the car. You can call that being a ***** if you want. For some reason I get the impression that you think my ego says I am the best driver out there, which is so far from the truth its not funny. All I can say is that for the budget we have I think my team gives me one of the best prepared cars in its class, and I try my best to go as fast as I can without taking unnecessary chances of contact or wrecking my car. Comparing my car with a Koni Challenge car or otherwise is just ridiculous, they spend more in a weekend than I do in 2 years.
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