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Geez, haven't you guys ever run your cars through the gears at WOT, or tried a high speed run down a deserted road, or drifted around a corner. Hell, I have a bike that can hit 250 in <11 seconds, guess they should be outlawed eh? Now if you've done nothing of the sort, than maybe you should be driving a nice beige automatic Corolla...

And before you start with the take it to the track BS - yeah sure, I've done every track in Ontario but I'm not there every week. I understand that enthusiasts will - hopefully on the right road and conditions and with minimal risk - will have "fun" with their cars, like they did since the beginning of time! They're taking a risk and if caught, then they'll have to suck it up - the guy got caught and by all means he should pay. But if you're telling me (which you are) that $10000 fines and impound and lost licences and insurance repercussions and unprecedented police powers aren't enough - than give me a freak'n break!

There are far more dangerous people out there on our roads that cops do nothing with. For example; the number one killer of motorcyclists are people who turn left right in front of us and all they get is a citation - the 'ole "didn't see 'em" get's them off every time! Hell, we live in such a serious safety minded province so concerned for our wellbeing (thanks McGuinty & Fantino!) that they're still debating outlawing cell phones in cars...safety? What a freak'n joke! Keep your desire for a even bigger nanny / police state to yourselves, you both are not helping any of us.

RIWWP

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I have been watching this thread for a bit, but have to comment now. Please don't take this as someone trying to justify what he was doing. He shouldn't have been doing it, and was caught, and will have to face the consequences. I also am against street racing etc. etc. etc.

However nearly every single reference made by the article and people yelling for him to be slammed includes "IF <x> happened".

Where do we draw the "IF" line? When is it acceptable to use "IF" and when isn't it?

I drive down a city street every single day, with sidewalks on the side, and a posted 40mph speed limit (~60kph?) 40mph is certainly fast enough to kill someone that steps out in the road in front of me. Why don't I get charged every day for driving the legal speed limit because "IF someone steps out I might kill them?" Why don't I get charged with various fines every day because "IF I hadn't have used the brake, I would have hit the person in front of me?" Why don't I have video cameras in my house linked to the local PD station, because "IF I don't eat properly, I might die!". What about aviation. There are speeds from 200mph to 500mph. "What if ice developed and it fell out of the sky!" Why not just ground all aircraft because of the inherent danger "WHAT IF" poses to the people on the ground? When a plane crashes and barely misses a house, does the airline have a valid criminal charge because someone on the ground might have died if it crashed just a bit different? "WHAT IF" that doctor didn't properly close that artery? He should be charged with attempted murder!

A bit ludicrous, I know. But where is the line? Where is the line between penalizing someone for what they DID and not for what MIGHT HAVE happened?

The guy was doing 2.5x the speed limit. Reckless speeding/driving yes. But throwing the book at him with "WHAT IF" as a justification is not justice.

mikefrombarrie

You would "yank" his license away for 10 years becasue he saw an opening and floored it, reaching a speed of 250km/h at 12:30am with little or no traffic.

"sw-ontarioguy" you are the idiot

Next time when I am driving on the highway and see a RX-8 going 99km/h in the left lane, I will know that its you.

SV650S

those speeds on a highway are extremely dangerous...however I've been in excess of 240km/h on a public road (i mean on a race track for all u opp out there) so have almost all of my friends, my father, my brother... it happens. u get that urge one day to just make everything else disappear and get that clean rush of adrenalin as u accelerate. U wont learn any better untill u get caught. I did (123 in a 60) luckly before the new law came out. what im getting at is even tho its unsafe and frowned upon, it happens and people change in time. u learn once u probably wont do it again or just will learn how to not get caught 10 years sounds retarded... give them a week then a few months then a year or 2, people change.

rotarygreg

I hope people change in time, before someone gets hurt. the problem is thats not always the case and just because there is little or no traffic doesnt mean its safe to go that fast. ya, when you are traveling at 120km/h and there is no one infront of you, there is no traffic, but you catch up to anyone on the road real fast going 250 and like i said before, the dividing wall really isnt enough to keep 3000lbs going 250km/h from going over and into someone on the other side of the road.

i cant believe how people are calling sw-ontarioguy an idiot like he offended you personally. opinion people. no need for name calling.

REV-illusions

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ok... couple things. First.. it's a bit harsh calling him an idiot... he's entitled to his opinion just as you are.

Second.. there's acouple things to remember about this case.
a) I'm not sure if you've noticed... but... hey.. it's winter. The roads aren't what anyone would call good condition right now. Hell.. I've seen potholes on the roads that look more like ditchs. Hitting something like that at 250kpm would not end well.

b) the tires that the dude was running weren't even remotely rated for that speed. If one of his tires blew out... well.. "clean up in lane 4".

RIWWP

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Again....IF IF IF IF.

I agree with your opinion, but "IF" isn't justice. "DID" is. He clearly didn't have a blow out or hit a pothole. maybe it was only a matter of time, but he could have had summer tires (yes illegally and the PD didn't notice/comment), and that stretch could have been pothole free. Don't judge this guy on "IF".

sw-ontarioguy

We aren't talking about "drifting around a corner" or "running the gears at WOT" We're talking about some dude had so few brain cells, he thought it would be a good idea to drive 250 km/h at night, in the winter, on the 401.

Personally, no I've never done such a stupid thing, but I should be driving a carolla? Does that go for just me personally, or everyone who hasn't had a brain fart and drove 250 down the road? Cus if that's the case, you're gonna see, 5 rx'8 on the road? 99.5% of cars will be carollas.

Outlaw bikes? where are you comming up with this? The cars hiting bikes while turning left, I agree, it's a joke, and should be treated as a regular accident, as if you hit a car. Driving a bike puts you at greater risk, and you assume it by driving it. If you hit a deer and die because you were thrown off your bike, should deer be outlawd?

Outlawing cell phones wouldn't be the end of the world, clearly you havn't seen how ignorant some people are when they're on the phone and trying to drive. (realize i said some, not all)

Finally, the fines are 2000$-10000$, so he could get off for less. Impound his car for 7 days. WOW that'll teach his *** . Suspend his lisence for 7 days!. Oh, wait, HIS CAR IS IMPOUNDED ANYWAYS. Take a week off work, big deal. Insurance goes up. Well yea, it will probly, but it doesnt mean its not still affordable. His rates could go from 120 to 220$ Big deal, my rates are higher than that now, and I have a clean record.

Now I know you're trying to defend this guy ( i have no idea why) But what is stopping him from doing it again? If he gets caught for "racing" again, he loses his lisence for 2-10 years. Lets skip the 2nd time and suspend it now is all I'm saying. Maybe 10 years is too harsh, give him 5, or 7, or whatever, but 7 days is a joke.

REV-illusions

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Sorry dude... he DIDN'T have tires that were rated for that speed.. no IF's involved. It was a stupid thing to do, completely unsafe.

The whole point of laws are the "IF"'s. There is a max speed limit of XXX because IF you're going over that the chances of death go up. Childern aren't allowed access to guns because IF they did they could accidently kill themselves. etc

Basically all you're saying is that it's alright to do whatever you want as long as no one gets hurt. Well sorry man... there's always going to be that chance. It's all cool if you want to risk your own life, but when you're in a public setting you're risking the lives of others.

SV650S

Spend a week with no car trying to get to work, go buy groceries, even run to the corner store at -10 out and tell me how eager you are to speed after it (ive never had a suspension but could imagine)

Maffu313

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I'm surprised his tires didn't blow out. and going at 250 km/h...I seriously wonder about how he managed to keep his car under control with the crappy roads in Toronto, from what I remember hwy 400 around finch is filled with potholes...unless they fixed it since I last passed by there.

On a side note:
"More than 10,000 people have been charged under the stunt-racing legislation since it took effect last year, Woodford said.

An average of 22 people are charged each day, almost one every hour."

O_O THIS MANY PEOPLE everyday?

Maffu313

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FYI there's no law in ontario that says you have to have winter tires...at least not yet..and from what I've heard, I think he was on winter tires.

RIWWP

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Im not saying it was right. Im not trying to justify what he did do. It was stupid, it was illegal, and he deserves what he gets. Im just saying, expanding the severity of what he did do based on as many IFs as you can think of isn't justice.

rotarygreg

how would you feel if you get a ticket for doing 50 km/h over the limit and you get the same penalty as this guy who did 150km/h over? thats why his punishment should be more severe. period.

Maffu313

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so true! but if that's the case, next time you're going at 150, then might as well just floor it to top speed and get a thrill xD

mikefrombarrie

So having a sports car traveling over the speed limit is just as dangerous as having a semi-trailer truck drive over the speed limit?

Think about this : "Stopping distance for a truck is dramatically greater than a car - for a speed of 60 mph it takes a car about 120 feet to stop, but a semi-truck needs about 440 feet to stop"

What about when youre driving on snow pack highway and you have a semi-trialer truck fly by you. If it takes him 440feet to top on dry pavement, think about the stopping distance on snow. Yet, it's normal for the law enforcement and the public. But when some person in a car travels over "50km/h" they hand out a "death" sentence and worst of all the public is all for it.

Maybe the REAL issue should be about the traffic thats in the GTA, The condition of some of the roads?


There is NOTHING faster then motorcycles on public roads right now. Some of the riders do push it over board. But how many times do you read or hear that a highway was closed because of an accident involving a motorcycle. Semi-trailer trucks seem always to be involved.

sw-ontarioguy

You can't put too much blame on a semi for an accident. A lot of the times it's simply because they can't stop in time for an accident happening in front of them. Or, it's some idiot cruising along in there blind spot that they can't see. Speeding for any kind of a truck isn't a huge issue. All trucks are governed to 120 km/h or less, and I think we've all agreed that 120 km/h is still a safe driving speed. Also, most truck drivers take more care when driving compared to the average person on a vehicle, because they are aware of the threat they pose.

I'm not trying ot bash you down Mike, we all have oppinions here. GTA road conditions do suck, but if they were great, does that mean we can forget about speed limits?

I do agree the real issue is "traffic" in general. There are a lot of stupid drivers out there, and it doesn't take much to become a statistic. But the fact is, there will ALWAYS be stupid drivers, hell just look at the people on Canada's Worst Driver. With all honesty, they scare me more than the guy driving 250 km/h

Maffu313

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Actually there's quite a number of truck drivers that are barely awake, as they sometimes drive for in excess of 12 hrs, cross-country. But yes, it's not usually the truckers themselves that cause the accidents...it's those idiots who cut right infront of the truckers causing them to full brake and what not. the REAL problem and the cause of most traffic accidents are the result of Ontario's crappy licensing process. All the road test tests for is how well a person can follow the rules and traffic laws DURING the test itself (which they can easily break afterwards when driving everyday). The driving test isn't even a test for the skill of the driver! That's why we have tons of those grandma's on the road that are more of an obstruction to the road. Whenever they see something that MAY possibly go wrong, all they do is slam the pedals...and hope that the one they slammed is the brakes and not the gas. But either way, even if you slam the brakes, the person behind probably won't be able to stop in time even if they do react fast, and thus causing an accident. Then there's the problem of the road conditions in Ontario...Toronto roads are so crap that I can't even drive in a straight line if i don't want the possibility of trashing my car in huge, deep pot holes! Atleast the guy going at 250 km/h would probably see me and try to avoid me, well that's the only way he can probably crash into me. Unlike those other idiots on the road, cutting out onto the highway from on ramps travelling at 30 km/h before the dotted line even starts >.> almost got killed that time

Footman

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My winters are rated for 240 km/h...

qtwre

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Please Footman, tell us more about your winter tires. We haven't yet heard enough about them in the other 200 posts you've made about them.

Footman

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I know eh... I'm just sad to know that not more people are running these great tires.. and I don't work for Dunlop.

Maffu313

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did they cost a fortune? LOL I'm running on hankooks...came with the car when i bought it second-hand a week ago, but thinking of changing it once these get worn out, though they still do have quite a bit of tread left.

shazy

/\ Damn you already posted 31 posts in 3 days?
Wtf.

Good thing I'm not in Ontario. But seriously in Quebec, cops are pretty damn ludicrous with the IF's and are pretty corrupt at times.

SV650S

+1 on that experience i almost saw god as im moving 120 and had to whip into the fast lane to avoid someone doing 30 merging in before the dotted. i didnt know i could drift across 3 lanes and back that many times without spinning out. I actually even got pulled over and questioned after stating an off duty cop driving ahead of me saw me drifting in his rear view across the entire highway. The officers (3 cars) that pulled me over actually said they are letting me off with a warning and to not do it again, not even kidding i got a warning for not writing off my 8 into the back of a corolla.

shazy

We don't need people like you, you people are a disgrace to this country and to the law. Speeders should be banned for driving for a total of 1 month to learn their appropriate lesson. You are lucky you didn't die you fool.
































Lol just kidding, that's pretty crazy! Well I can understand why they wouldn't give you a ticket, but they just gave you a warning. Well you had to suddenly move due to a very slow driver that you couldve crashed into and most of your actions were pretty good except for speeding

Well you really are lucky because that cop mustve been pretty chill... other ******** wouldve just given you a big *** ticket stating that you were RECKLESS driving.