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Old Nov 7, 2004 | 08:32 PM
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Calgary: Canada's Most American City: According to Calgarians!!

Hi Gord

I was just thinking of you today as I left your wonderful city... and it is wonderful. But I thought I would share with the rest of the class the front page headline from today's Calgary Herald, and contrast it with your little anti-Toronto rant from that hijacked thread over in the lounge...

"Calgary's 80,000 Americans feel at home in Canada's most American city"

From the Calgary Herald. A Calgary paper. Printed, presumably, in Calgary. Saying Calgary is Canada's most American city. Huh. :D

And for the record: every time I (a Torontonian) am in Calgary (which is quite often), I am the farthest thing from being snooty or snobby... I count some fine Calgarians among my friends. So there. Nyah. :p


Originally Posted by Gord96BRG
Now we know you're just making this stuff up as you go along! Toronto is the Canadian equivalent of New York - Torontonians are desperate to convince the rest of Canada that the universe revolves around Toronto, and are the snootiest, snobbiest residents of this great country ever. If Torontonians are ever civil, it's to Americans, because they're desperately sucking up to Americans, because they wanna be just like you! Torontonians are so stuck up and full of themselves that they never realize that the rest of the country abhor them. Get this - Toronto publishes a "national" newspaper, the Globe and Mail, fills it with news of Toronto sports teams and Toronto social happenings, and sends it across the country as "Canada's National Newspaper"!!! Like we're supposed to give a **** about what's happening in Toronto?? I'll never forget the time a telephone solicitor tried to get me to subscribe to the Globe and Mail - I gave him an earful about why I'd never, ever consider buying even a single edition of the Globe and Mail (much along the lines of my comments above about their delusions of grandeur and national significance), and his comeback was "but we print it in Calgary for Albertans"...

Oh, excuse me, was I supposed to be picking on Americans? It's so hard to tell them apart from the Torontonians, the rest of us Canadians always get them mixed up. Sorry, let's see... You know that great American game, basketball? (What, you thought I was going to call that incredibly boring, tedious game played by fat, out-of-shape spoiled millionaires 'great'? HAH! I don't care if Boston did win for the first time in a 100 years or so, it's still an incredibly boring game!) Anyway, basketball - invented in Canada. You're welcome! :D

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Gordon
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Old Nov 7, 2004 | 10:35 PM
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Don't believe everything you read in newspapers....bedides I think the Herald is owned by someone down east.....EVERY Canadain knows that Toronto wants to be a US city (any US City) when it grows up.
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Old Nov 8, 2004 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by rotten42
Don't believe everything you read in newspapers....bedides I think the Herald is owned by someone down east.....EVERY Canadain knows that Toronto wants to be a US city (any US City) when it grows up.
LOL... Nice try, Rotter. I actually believe very little of what I see in newspapers, so I will refrain from printing here anything else said by the journalist who wrote the article. But I will provide for you a quote from an American living in Calgary:

"The cultures are so much alike. We (Calgary) are probably as close to any other city in the U.S. than anywhere else."

Another says that "Calgary's American-ness makes it unlike any other city"; she says: "If I had to leave Calgary, I would leave Canada."

Personally, I would consider these things a compliment. I just wonder why you guys gotta cut up Toronto...

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Old Nov 8, 2004 | 03:14 PM
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Ouch. Well I just moved from Toronto (after living there for 10 years) back to Calgary. I'm pretty insulted by that article!! IF (big "if") what this journalist says is true ... I'm leaving! I don't want to live in America Jr ... ha ha! Personally, I think that Toronto and Calgary are more alike than Calgary and said "American city".

Ha ... the "journalist" was probably some Texan that came during the Stampede and said "Oh wow ... cowboys hats and boots everywhere ... I'm home!"
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Old Nov 8, 2004 | 04:25 PM
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This is a silly debate.

Calgary = Dallas/Houston

Toronto = New York/LA

you can't say that one city represents an entire country...that's just poppycock
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Old Nov 8, 2004 | 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by khtm
This is a silly debate.

Calgary = Dallas/Houston

Toronto = New York/LA

you can't say that one city represents an entire country...that's just poppycock
Well, this is more of a lighthearted discussion than debate, although my motivation for writing it has been Gord's somewhat (I think) less than friendly prejudice regarding Toronto, and his nonsensical thesis that Toronto is trying to be like the States.

I will sort of agree with your above assement, though, having spent a fair bit of time in all six of the above cities described, though I would like to amend it as follows:

"Calgary is to Dallas/Houston as Toronto is to New York" (though not LA)

Besides, New York is WAAAAAAAAAAAAY cooler a city than Toronto.

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Old Nov 8, 2004 | 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 73JPS
LOL... Nice try, Rotter. I actually believe very little of what I see in newspapers, so I will refrain from printing here anything else said by the journalist who wrote the article. But I will provide for you a quote from an American living in Calgary:

"The cultures are so much alike. We (Calgary) are probably as close to any other city in the U.S. than anywhere else."

Another says that "Calgary's American-ness makes it unlike any other city"; she says: "If I had to leave Calgary, I would leave Canada."

Personally, I would consider these things a compliment. I just wonder why you guys gotta cut up Toronto...
Don't take it personaly, I'll cut up anybody for fun. :D I'd still be cutting into the U.S boys but they left the feud...pussies!

I don't mind Toronto, but it does feel more alien to me than say Vancouver. I'm not sure what it is, I just get the feeling on tention when I've been there...its kind of hard to describe.
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Old Nov 8, 2004 | 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 73JPS
LOL... Nice try, Rotter. I actually believe very little of what I see in newspapers, so I will refrain from printing here anything else said by the journalist who wrote the article. But I will provide for you a quote from an American living in Calgary:

"The cultures are so much alike. We (Calgary) are probably as close to any other city in the U.S. than anywhere else."

Another says that "Calgary's American-ness makes it unlike any other city"; she says: "If I had to leave Calgary, I would leave Canada."

Personally, I would consider these things a compliment. I just wonder why you guys gotta cut up Toronto...



besides, you brought the whole subject up!
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Old Nov 8, 2004 | 11:18 PM
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oh i forgot to add...

onterrible sucks. :D
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Old Nov 9, 2004 | 01:58 PM
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Okay, boys, hate to be the party-pooper again, but take it to the Lounge!
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Old Nov 9, 2004 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 73JPS
my motivation for writing it has been Gord's somewhat (I think) less than friendly prejudice regarding Toronto, and his nonsensical thesis that Toronto is trying to be like the States.
Nah, that was from the Feud thread in the Lounge, where everybody was being deliberately nasty and confrontational. Personally, I have no problems at all with Torontonians, I enjoy their city and their company.

(but "nonsensical thesis"? Hmmm, which Canadian city ignores their CFL football team, tries to get a US NFL football team, and has US league baseball and basketball teams? Why, that most American-wanna-be city, Toronto! Note that the article (Which was quoting ex-pat Americans) was talking about which city WAS most like an American city, NOT which city most WANTED to be like an American city! :D We can't help it if we naturally are, but apparently that drives Torontonians insane with jealousy, since they want to be the most American-like city :p )

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Old Nov 9, 2004 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Gord96BRG

(but "nonsensical thesis"? Hmmm, which Canadian city ignores their CFL football team, tries to get a US NFL football team, and has US league baseball and basketball teams? Why, that most American-wanna-be city, Toronto! Note that the article (Which was quoting ex-pat Americans) was talking about which city WAS most like an American city, NOT which city most WANTED to be like an American city! :D We can't help it if we naturally are, but apparently that drives Torontonians insane with jealousy, since they want to be the most American-like city :p )

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45,000 fans at the last Toronto Argonauts game...
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Old Nov 9, 2004 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Fritz the Cat
Okay, boys, hate to be the party-pooper again, but take it to the Lounge!
Naw, this is a Canadian only issue... we need a lounge in the Canadian section... where the Canadians can lounge... hey Gord!! Get on that for us, will ya? :p
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Old Nov 9, 2004 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 73JPS
45,000 fans at the last Toronto Argonauts game...

are you sure that wasn't a total for the whole season?
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Old Nov 9, 2004 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by rotten42
are you sure that wasn't a total for the whole season?
No: those are the numbers for one game. That (45,000) would probably be more in line for a whole season of Stampeder games... seeing as how Calgary has 80,000 Americans, all saying "CF-wha?", I wouldn't expect attendance to be too high at the ol' Saddle dome. :D
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Old Nov 9, 2004 | 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 73JPS
No: those are the numbers for one game. That (45,000) would probably be more in line for a whole season of Stampeder games... seeing as how Calgary has 80,000 Americans, all saying "CF-wha?", I wouldn't expect attendance to be too high at the ol' Saddle dome. :D

Please, for years the stamps have killed T.O. in attendance. Even after 3 years with a crap team we still had higher season numbers than T.O.


as for the flames....we also had better playoff attendance because we actually made far in the playoffs...something the Maple Laughs never do.
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Old Nov 11, 2004 | 01:42 AM
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What was that pathetic city that got a lil wee bit of snow and basically had to call in the military for help?
It was a laughable amount of snow that some other cities call light snowfall.
Oh wait, it was Toronto.
Newspapers, pro sports teams, american wannabe's or not. I really don't care.
But to be crippled by a sissy amount of snow is when I lost all respect for Toronto.
That plus when I was there I noticed a lot of guys wearing fur coats. That's not right. It is simply not right.
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Old Nov 14, 2004 | 03:47 PM
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Oh please...TO being crippled from snow? That's about as real as Winnipeg having a heat wave...c'mon dude. I've lived in Montreal (McGill U), TO, Saskatoon, Calgary and Van...which would I prefer? Van of course Why? Has nothing to do with the Canucks vs Flames vs Leafs vs Habs...it's all about SKIING....the pimples in Ontario and Que don't cut it...they're pure acne...I'll take Sunshine and Whister/Blackcomb anyday. Better yet, drive your 8 through the rockies and give it a real twist. However, my brother and I have a cottage up in Georgian Bay and Highway 69 is a blast during weekdays
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Old Nov 14, 2004 | 04:49 PM
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Ummm, actually I am not kidding. I can't remember what year it was....within the past 10 years for sure. T.O. was indeed crippled by snow, and had to call in the military. I am not making this up.
Anyone care to jump in and back me up?
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Old Nov 14, 2004 | 05:00 PM
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Yeah, I'll bak you up...I think it was the winter of 2002 (or 2001) if I'm not mistaken. I was going to come home, but the snow was too extreme. Ok, it can happen and the military comes in...remember the ice storm and broken trees and power lines in Ottawa in '99? My sister and her kids had to bed down with a neighbour. However, that's rare, but it does happen. Hate to think you had an 8 driving around in such a mess. In Singapore...all we worry about is rain...hardly consequential ya?
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Old Nov 14, 2004 | 08:21 PM
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I was in Toronto for University when the "crippling" snow fell. I think it was 2nd year undergrad meaning 1998. It was funny. I always made fun of my Toronto friends for being so afraid of the cold and snow. It was honestly 10-15cm of snow ... pathetic. A guy I knew that was in the reserves was called out to shovel.

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