Waaaayyyyy over the limit
01-25-2006, 08:27 PM
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Waaaayyyyy over the limit
Checking out the news just now and came across this:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...066889753.html
What do you guys think should be the penalty for this kind of offence?
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...066889753.html
What do you guys think should be the penalty for this kind of offence?
01-25-2006, 08:47 PM
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Bit surprised he only received notice and loss of licence. Would have thought in these scenarios the driver would be taken to court to determine how long licence would be lost for (I'm assuming hes only lost it for 12 months max). If an accident had occured then he would have been been arrested and taken to court. But fact no accident occured (thank god), I would have to say more penalty would have to occur instead of just a fine and loss of licence.. Perhaps community service also?
I think problem with younger drivers is still the lack of education b4 obtaining their licence. I mean, dunno bout other states, but here in Vic, when I went for my licence we had to sit for two computer tests. Simulation 1 and a multiple choice test. Now, they only have the simulation test? Would have thought they would be making it harder or at least making people study a little bit more b4 receiving their licence.
Imposing more fines and penalties alone will not reduce the road toll. Sometimes makes you wonder all these cameras being set up and fine increases just a scam to make more money. Sure they will help a little, but it just makes people want to avoid being caught, not to drive safer. Various motorcar bodies are constantly lobbying to have more educational systems put in place (especially for p-platers). Like I said here in Vic I think its become easier to get your licence, I dont see the educational side. Murcotts driving school offers special course for p-platers, something like this should become a bit more available.
I think problem with younger drivers is still the lack of education b4 obtaining their licence. I mean, dunno bout other states, but here in Vic, when I went for my licence we had to sit for two computer tests. Simulation 1 and a multiple choice test. Now, they only have the simulation test? Would have thought they would be making it harder or at least making people study a little bit more b4 receiving their licence.
Imposing more fines and penalties alone will not reduce the road toll. Sometimes makes you wonder all these cameras being set up and fine increases just a scam to make more money. Sure they will help a little, but it just makes people want to avoid being caught, not to drive safer. Various motorcar bodies are constantly lobbying to have more educational systems put in place (especially for p-platers). Like I said here in Vic I think its become easier to get your licence, I dont see the educational side. Murcotts driving school offers special course for p-platers, something like this should become a bit more available.
01-25-2006, 09:24 PM
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Agree with most of that.
his licence was suspended on the spot. as i understand it, he'll have to go to court to face charges and the final penalty will be determined then.
i guess i was interested to see what people think an appropriate penalty is for that kind of offence. i mean, we all like a 'spirited' drive now and again and i suspect none of us are angels but 75kms over is stupid stuff in my view - especially for a p-plater with limited skills and experience.
personally, i think for some of the more serious road offences like massive speeding (say 60kms over) or repeat drink driving they need to start impounding cars for a period. fining and loss of licence rarely works because the hardcore offender will still drive in the hope they won't get caught. at the extreme end, i reckon some of these characters should lose their cars for good with the proceeds of sale being spent on something of worth to other motorists.
i'm not trying to sound holier than thou here and agree that proactive stuff like better driver training is necessary but i've lost some friends over the years to drink drivers and road racers and this kind of offence needs to be treated seriously. at the very least community service helping to care for the victims of road accidents might get the message through.
his licence was suspended on the spot. as i understand it, he'll have to go to court to face charges and the final penalty will be determined then.
i guess i was interested to see what people think an appropriate penalty is for that kind of offence. i mean, we all like a 'spirited' drive now and again and i suspect none of us are angels but 75kms over is stupid stuff in my view - especially for a p-plater with limited skills and experience.
personally, i think for some of the more serious road offences like massive speeding (say 60kms over) or repeat drink driving they need to start impounding cars for a period. fining and loss of licence rarely works because the hardcore offender will still drive in the hope they won't get caught. at the extreme end, i reckon some of these characters should lose their cars for good with the proceeds of sale being spent on something of worth to other motorists.
i'm not trying to sound holier than thou here and agree that proactive stuff like better driver training is necessary but i've lost some friends over the years to drink drivers and road racers and this kind of offence needs to be treated seriously. at the very least community service helping to care for the victims of road accidents might get the message through.
01-25-2006, 09:58 PM
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You know I was thinking about that b4. I went to supermarket and drivin back this xr6 turbo just whizzed passed me, older fellow and had a kid wit him (saw them at the lights after). Road was 60 he was doin 100 easy. I was thinkin about the community service, helping those victims of either themselves or by others, in the rehabilitation centres. To see for themselves what the consequences of their actions could lead to.
01-25-2006, 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by mysql101
I'm more interested in what a "God-car" looks like.
Actually, some of the stuff he comes up with makes sense but like every fundamentalist it gets lost in the extremist stuff he also spouts.
01-25-2006, 10:43 PM
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the story is a bit sensational.
was the kid on a clear road or was it in traffic? was the car a **** heap? without the full facts how can anyone compare it to going nuts with a knife or gun?
was the kid on a clear road or was it in traffic? was the car a **** heap? without the full facts how can anyone compare it to going nuts with a knife or gun?
01-25-2006, 10:49 PM
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Yeh i thought the knife and gun comment was a tad extreme. I guess being behind the wheel can kill just like a knife and gun but intentions should be also taken into consideration, and well in this case, was it the drivers intention to go out and kill like someone who has a knife and gun ?
01-25-2006, 10:59 PM
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having been caught at a similar speed when I was about the same age; I think he needs a good fine and licence suspended (if it was a clear road in car in good condition).
it's far worse to be weaving in and out of traffic at 110km/h than it is to travel 170 on a clear motorway. the person weaving in and out is wielding the knife, the other is hopeful just driving to the conditions ( - the experience).
it's far worse to be weaving in and out of traffic at 110km/h than it is to travel 170 on a clear motorway. the person weaving in and out is wielding the knife, the other is hopeful just driving to the conditions ( - the experience).
01-26-2006, 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Revolver
Checking out the news just now and came across this:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...066889753.html
What do you guys think should be the penalty for this kind of offence?
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...066889753.html
What do you guys think should be the penalty for this kind of offence?
The lovely attendant of mine cops a nagging of smoker's lung everytime I see one....
01-26-2006, 06:05 AM
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I thought the law was, or used to be, that once you were more than 60kph over the limit, the police would also make a criminal charge - dangerous driving, or neg driving ???
01-26-2006, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by rotarenvy
the story is a bit sensational.
was the kid on a clear road or was it in traffic? was the car a **** heap? without the full facts how can anyone compare it to going nuts with a knife or gun?
was the kid on a clear road or was it in traffic? was the car a **** heap? without the full facts how can anyone compare it to going nuts with a knife or gun?
I also accept that some sections of our modern motorways with good forward vision and light traffic can manage that kind of speed in a relatively safe manner.
However, this was at night - very few cars have the kind of lights that will cope with giving enough vision at that speed to allow avoidance of a poorly lit obstacle.
I also reckon no P-plater can safely manage a car at that speed. It's just dumb luck that allows most of them to survive the experience of that kind of speed.
Oh but of course, they're all fantastic drivers right?
01-26-2006, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by MissyK
but intentions should be also taken into consideration, and well in this case, was it the drivers intention to go out and kill like someone who has a knife and gun ?
01-26-2006, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by rotarenvy
having been caught at a similar speed when I was about the same age; I think he needs a good fine and licence suspended (if it was a clear road in car in good condition).
it's far worse to be weaving in and out of traffic at 110km/h than it is to travel 170 on a clear motorway. the person weaving in and out is wielding the knife, the other is hopeful just driving to the conditions ( - the experience).
it's far worse to be weaving in and out of traffic at 110km/h than it is to travel 170 on a clear motorway. the person weaving in and out is wielding the knife, the other is hopeful just driving to the conditions ( - the experience).
As I said above, I accept that in some sections of modern motorways, higher speeds can be safe. However, do you really think a P-plater can be trusted to exercise such discretion at all times.
If they all get relatively light penalties, no matter where the offence is committed and in a variety of conditions - how do you stop them driving at such speeds in less favourable circumstances???
01-26-2006, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by timbo
I thought the law was, or used to be, that once you were more than 60kph over the limit, the police would also make a criminal charge - dangerous driving, or neg driving ???
01-26-2006, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Hymee
According to QLD road saftey campaign, he would have killed 77 people.
I also agree the circumstances of the offence should be reflected in the penalty. For example, if it can be demonstrated that the speed was relatively benign given a modern well-maintained car, an unaffected, experienced driver and a clear open road with no actual adverse consequences, perhaps a fine and suspension can be warranted.
However, P-platers need to have the message rammed home that until they get the experience of a black licence, any significant breach will result in their car being impounded. Public transport is a wonderous rehabiltative tool.
01-26-2006, 05:10 PM
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Well, well, well. Here's some answers-
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...066921534.html
Funny how issuing fines is convenient but instituting a proper deterrent such as a criminal charge is difficult.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...066921534.html
Funny how issuing fines is convenient but instituting a proper deterrent such as a criminal charge is difficult.
01-26-2006, 05:13 PM
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Oh, I agree the incident was sensationalised but there's no doubt a car at that speed can be just as lethal as a knife or a gun.
I also accept that some sections of our modern motorways with good forward vision and light traffic can manage that kind of speed in a relatively safe manner.
However, this was at night - very few cars have the kind of lights that will cope with giving enough vision at that speed to allow avoidance of a poorly lit obstacle.
I also reckon no P-plater can safely manage a car at that speed. It's just dumb luck that allows most of them to survive the experience of that kind of speed.
Oh but of course, they're all fantastic drivers right?
I also accept that some sections of our modern motorways with good forward vision and light traffic can manage that kind of speed in a relatively safe manner.
However, this was at night - very few cars have the kind of lights that will cope with giving enough vision at that speed to allow avoidance of a poorly lit obstacle.
I also reckon no P-plater can safely manage a car at that speed. It's just dumb luck that allows most of them to survive the experience of that kind of speed.
Oh but of course, they're all fantastic drivers right?
but the circumstances have to be considered or else we would have mandatory sentences. If the road is clear and he wants to risk his own life who the hell cares? smokers have the right to kill themselves, why can't a driver take a calculated risk?
But then, we already knew that 
01-26-2006, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by rotarenvy
why can't a driver take a calculated risk?
01-26-2006, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Revolver
I also reckon no P-plater can safely manage a car at that speed. It's just dumb luck that allows most of them to survive the experience of that kind of speed.
Oh but of course, they're all fantastic drivers right?
Relax yourself.
01-26-2006, 05:27 PM
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Relax yourself.
dont tell me u dont drive to show off sometimes in that rx8. its not like many young people have em. and dont tell me u dont drag it and try to impress chicks ok.. cuz my mates are in their early 20s and i know how they drive.
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havin said that, its a 2 way streak. p-platers think they are good drivers, old- OLD people think they are great drivers cuz they have experience. cant nag at the p-platers constantly, the number of times ive almost had some old 60+ person almost ram me off the road and number of accidents older people cause to others (and no harm comes to them) is unaccountable.
01-26-2006, 05:30 PM
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havin said that, its a 2 way streak. p-platers think they are good drivers, old- OLD people think they are great drivers cuz they have experience. cant nag at the p-platers constantly, the number of times ive almost had some old 60+ person almost ram me off the road and number of accidents older people cause to others (and no harm comes to them) is unaccountable.
01-26-2006, 05:32 PM
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OMG
IS THIS ALL HE GOT??
"Instead the teenager was fined $1550 and had his licence suspended for six months."
6 MONTHS!!!! people get 12 months for doin less speedin then that!
Love this last part of the article "Anyone fined still had the right to dispute the matter in court."
Love to c him try and dispute it. that would be hilarious
IS THIS ALL HE GOT??
"Instead the teenager was fined $1550 and had his licence suspended for six months."
6 MONTHS!!!! people get 12 months for doin less speedin then that!
Love this last part of the article "Anyone fined still had the right to dispute the matter in court."
Love to c him try and dispute it. that would be hilarious