takahashi

Well done detective

timbo

Elementary, my dear Gomez -- yep, that's exactly what I was thinking, although the stuff is now buried in the Rotormaster site which makes me think Joe may have lost interest, but I certainly recognised the graph. And I agree with the conclusions on output, and the comment earlier -- can't really expect that much on 6psi boost unless there is a lot of other trickery.

(muttering crowd sounds get louder). Spill it all Gibbo. Or tell the source they have some interest and ought to be less coy!

Gibbo

OK, I should not have posted the Dyno, yep you know where it came from, however whilst driving I had a decent chat with Joe and I would rather show you the finished product after installation and then have the dyno sheets to back up the claims.
I don't want to be another "I got this, I saw this, it will deliver this on paper" I wanted to wait till I got it installed, tested it and then posted the results.

I was just a little too excited by the drive and said a bit much.......so as soon as I have it installed I will post all, however if you guys can wait until after the install then I will have real factual data of a road driven turbo RX-8 rather than a concept test vehicle that so many companies already seem to claim they have.

takahashi

With more the engine is produced from the FI engine... I wonder what the oil and water temperature is doing??

Did Joe measure that in track pace/conditions?

The water temp can go over 140 on a mild summer day on the track. Not to mention the oil temp has gone up the roof before that. I wonder:

1) intercooler will help the temp remain low
2) need of a second oil cooler and a bass 3 layer radiator?

I will put them on for the sake of the engine.

timbo

Fair enough. We await your experience with great interest

Gomez

Gibbo, do you have any idea how many RM8 kits have been sold so far? I'm surprised that previous purchasers haven't shown up here on this site, that's all...

Gomez.

takahashi

Hmmm neither on the Australian rx8club site ...

Taka

Gibbo

As far as I am aware the RM8 has not been sold yet to anyone else. The only one is the one on Joe's car. He is still testing various ECU systems and piggyback systems.
However that side does not concern me too much because I already have a piggyback ECU that will work perfectly well with it and that has already been tested with the turbo so any slight improvements on the computer side can be done later.
That is why there is no one else with the product because as of now it is still being slightly fine tuned on the ECU side (the turbo side is perfect) and Joe hasn't marketed it yet.

The only hic up that I know of is that the engine light comes on with the turbo installed because of the air flow sensor determining that too much air is being drawn in......anyone know of a possible fix for this.....I know on the Commodore LS1 engines came out with an aftermarket air flow sensor that put out stock air flow results regardless of what air was passing through hence overcoming the ecu detune that the LS1 ECU used to do.

But to summarise, there are no others because it has not been marketed yet due to the fine tuning on the ECU side.

Cheers

takahashi

Thanks for the update Gibbo and glad that you come forward as the "guinea pig". I am sure it will turn out great.

I am sure I will give you a call when I go to my Sydney conference in March.

Lock & Load

Strange ,when i spoke to Joe Signaerely from RM8 a few weeks ago he said he had 12 parties interested in his Turbocharger .....Oh well i hope he gives you a good deal considering you are going to be his numero uno .

cheers
michael

Gibbo

I know there is a lot of interest in the product, however when it comes to handing over the cash you really sort out the serious from the tyre kickers.

There are a number of other companies that have expressed interest in his product to market it as their own, however I am a firm beleiver in getting it from the source.

I feel I am getting a good deal because he can use my ECU and exhaust system so that money isn't wasted.


Will keep you all informed of the progress.

Gibbo.

NRVOUS

Hey Gibbo,

Does this mean I can no longer tag you down the straight at Eastern Creek; what will definitely interest me is a driveability comparison between the Hymee Supercharged package and Rotomasters Turbo job.

Gibbo good on you for supporting Joes efforts, Its always the case in corporate business, where the labrat does all the research and testing and someone cleverly Markets as their own.

Just like the developements of the XR6 Turbo, I'm sure there are many other performance workshops working on their own kits..... But JOE has definitely laid the foundations.

Gibbo can't wait to see you drifting through the Putty Road, we need to initiate your beast through an all out RX8 drive day where both yourself and Joe can set the pace. :D :D :D

You missed a great drive, with a sumptuous lunch in the Hunter!, Some serious sides ways fun by the 2 tonne Bavarian with the wankel drifting around it through a 35Km hairpin.....Life is much more enjoyable with DSC OFF! For an all out assault on serious twisties the TYPE R is a weapon of choice..... although the RX8 will do it in absolute comfort

Nigandahu

So why wouldn't I just buy a canzoomer and tune it to get a 40HP increase, which is 4 times the increase this turbo is giving according to this...or was this a joke, as indicated by the "drawn in MS paint" dyno graph......

Choppy

Nigandahu,

Stay in the US section of the forum please before you talk to much

Cansommer doesnt work in our cars... not without of messing around... and a ecu piggy back to claim 40hp is very very bullshitmatic if you know what i mean.

Regards
Phillip

Gomez

This turbo produces a moderate peak power gain, of about 20hp. I don't know where you got a figure of 10hp from. Back to school for you!

The tuning has concentrated on producing torque, and no-one ever accused the Renesis of being a torque monster. This turbo kit backs off the boost to 4psi above 8000rpm to minimise stress on the engine and forestall the requirement to upgrade the fuel delivery. This is a Stage One kit, Stage Two has a planned injector upgrade and a 300hp end result.

A fifty five percent increase in midrange torque would be most welcome in Gomez's garage. I'd like to see Canzoomer produce that within the confines of a black box. And that answers your question of why you wouldn't buy a CZ unit. It can't do what this Turbo does.

Gomez.

Gibbo

Sorry the only joke here is you.

You really have no idea what you are talking about, by the sounds of your post you would have trouble tuning an air guitar, let alone a canzoomers ecu system.

I already have a fully programmable ECU, so if in your ultimate wisdom you can tell me how to get the same results as this turbo then please do, if not then I suggest you keep your uninformed opinions to yourself.

Lock & Load

Nice to see good Christmas spirit guys chill out he is entitled to have his say and the forum knows no borders .

The canzoomer ECU DOES WORK ON AUSTRALIAN CARS I AM HAVING MINE finally Tuned in the new year .

Since there seems to be no more flashes for the OZZY RX8 now is the time to tune it .

Also i finally have found someone local who is prepared to put in the time to tune it correctly .

Agreed 40hp is optimistic but 25-30hp should not be a problem .

cheers
michael

timbo

...and there is the measurement discrepancy between US horses (ponies), and imperial HP (which I guess is what Joe uses )

Choppy

L7L last time i heard the Canzoomer wasnt any good.. Wasnt hymee working on something like this? Didnt he get one from overseas?

Regards
Phillip

takahashi

In earlier thread, Gibbo or Gomez (or both) said that Joe uses a TSI unit.

Now TSI unit is slightly different from normal piggybacks (or Canzoomers). Let Hymee explain that.

Choppy, Canzoomer does not work when you try to tune the closed loop. That is what some US people is doing. All you can tune is open loop (*above 1/2 throttle).

L&L, good luck with the tuning. It is only as good as the tuner can do, not the canzoomer. Adjust the ignition setting too... there is a lot of play there rather than the air flow meter alone.

Lock & Load

Gibbo
Are you up and running with the Turbo kit as yet ????

cheers
michael

Muzz

Aargh hymee you beat me!
I was getting all excited that this was 'the review' too....

Muzz

I have hymee on the brain. Sorry LnL!!!