Revolver

Maybe they'll go back to buying Harleys! :p :D

Good thing really - all that polishing in the driveway to impress the neighbours increases the chance of the thing falling on them, thus lessening the baby boomer pension impost on the rest of us!! :D :D

labrat

Geez, with a demographic like that, no wonder they're going out of production. On the other hand, the dearth of slim, devilishly handsome studs like us could be a reason for RX-8's not being every second car on the road.

timbo

Indeed! I'm reliably informed I continue to look debonair, even with my baseball cap on backwards1 :D

labrat

Impossible! Even if you wore an official Labrat cap (available for a few measly bucks through our website) back the front you could not possibly look debonair. Does Leighton Hewitt look debonair? I ask you!!! Howeverrrr... a Labrat hat worn the right way round gives the distinguished wearer a certain dashing style.

xxup

There's a website AND a cap... What's the link?? Do you take PayPal??

timbo

What a comeback! And labrat, like BVD, took the hook, the line and the sinker :D

:o Oh well, it was better than admitting I might be potentially challenged in the follicle department...and that I favour a certain cut in double-breasted suits Not that I'm admitting any of that, of course.

labrat

The website is , and no we don't take Paypal. The price is AUD20.00 + AUD3.00 postage in Oz. Send an email to labrat@multitrator.com with your mailing address and a money order or personal cheque. Our mailing address is Multitrator Pty Ltd, PO Box 5536, Brendale, Qld 4500. I've only got a few left in stock at present, so if I run out it could be a few weeks to get a new batch in.

labrat

Sorry, I missed the linky thingy. Website is www.multitrator.com, and click the Merchandise tag.

xxup

What happened to the T-shirts?? The Black one would look good on the Finance Director..

I'm in for a cap - come along to the nationals and I will pay the $20 when we start heading down to Goulburn.. You don't have to bring the car - there are a few other Queenslanders looking for a relief driver for the trip down. Much money to be made from cash flushed RX-8 owners.. :D

rotary4me

On the top gear BBC program the rx8 was 2 seconds quicker than the monaro around their test track. All the times for the cars that they have tested can be found on their web site.

Revolver

Multitrator huh?

Sounds like a terrorist cell. :D :D

xxup

As there was a queue at the car wash today - I lashed out and bought the Aug Motor magazine.. Read the comparo - good comments..

It was interesting to note the difference in disk brake rotor sizes.. The 8's are slightly bigger.. I guess that I thought that a car weighing 360kg more would have MUCH bigger brakes..

In the same magazine is the new STI - that is a REALLY ugly and cheap looking car...

monaroCountry

Subaru Impreza STI - 1.30.1
Vauxhall Monaro VXR - 1.30.16 (NEW monaro with 400hp, like the new GTO)
Audi S4 - 1.30.9
Porsche 911 turbo - 1.31.0
BMW M3 - 1.31.8
Mazda RX8 - 1.31.8
Cadillac CTS-V - 1.33.3
Holden Monaro - 1.33.9 (lap was very WET)

monaroCountry

The base holden coupe is the Monaro CV8, the GTO simply has more power and better suspension tuning etc (not quite HSV but damn close). HSV offers the clubbie then GTO then GTS, HSV also has a 4WD coupe 4 (priced a little bit higher than the GTO) that would kill any RX8 and most jap cars. After this would be the race ready GTS-R with many supercar type bits stuffed inside.

If you want faster Holden/Elfin also sells a very limited number of supercars like the streamliner and the clubman. Both are track ready (can be driven on normal roads) and sports a detuned LS1 (245kw). Dont let this fool you though, both achieves a 0-60 (0-100kph) time of 3.2sec.

RXP33D

A coupe 4 would kill most Jap cars...

Ya gotta be kidding me. That's a very bold statement.

R34 GTR = Coupe 4? Price wise, Yes, but other than that...Hmmm

Jap quality is undeniably better, regardless of what make.

From what I've seen on wheels?, Coupe 4 rates pretty poor with 0-100 times etc

considering it is the priciest car on that specific test.

monaroCountry

The police in NSW will be one of the first to use it. Its main job is chasing ram raiders using high performance imports i.e. subbies. The coupe 4 has a detuned LS engine producing 370hp.

No the godzilla (R34 GTR) is not the coupe 4, although both are 4WD's. The R34 can kill the coupe 4, however add a TT (like those from APS) and youll easily have a 4WD LS1 producing over 800hp.

monaroCountry

Price wise the new coupe4 and the GTR (great condition) are around the same price bracket. GTRs in australia are around the 80K mark.

??????? right, just keep on believing that. Holden is not a typical GM, this especially applies to HSV products (with its own race ready after market products). FYI HSV is like AMG of merc or M of BMW.

The only review for the coupe 4 (0-100kph(?)) was not conducted on a track but on gravel (to show case its 4WD system), the coupe 4 achieved a time of 6sec, which is pretty good on a loose surface.

Gomez

Welcome back, BTW....

monaroCountry

Here it is

takahashi

TG have done a lap with the Stig on the lastest Monaro.

1:30.1

Not bad at all. It is still very hard to drive on the inexperience hand.

StratoMike

MonaroCountry.

How can you explain why a car that has markedly less KW and Torque goes around a track much faster than the Holden Monaro?

The biggest difference is that the Holden is a family car with a massive engine and the RX8 is a Sports car.

Why do people refer to Steroidal family sedans as "Muscle Cars"?
Its just thatHolden seems set on producing cars that look and handle the same but just go faster.
I have a fantastic Idea for the next generation of Holden Performance cars,we buy a whole heap of decomissioned buses and put a jet engine on them.We shall call it the "Muscle Bus".All the thrills of a jet fighter none of the agile cornering of its bus DNA.

Sigma

Actually the last Top Gear test of the Monaro (The 6.0L one, the same we get in the US) put it around the track in 1:30.1 -- as fast as the STi, and faster than a 911 Turbo, an S4, an M3, and yes, even an RX-8.

Because, by definition, that's exactly what a "Muscle Car" is -- an up-engined version of a Family Sedan/Coupe (usually coupe). Which is a distinction between it and a Sports Car, which is primarily not based on a standard family sedan -- although the STi and EVO have blown that idea out of the water lately.

StratoMike

Sigma.
My assumption was that we were talking about the Holden Monaro as that is the Monaro that we have in Australia.Which went around the track a lot slower.
If the definition of a Muscle car is fast family sedan , then why isnt an M3 commonly called a Muscle car?
I'd say its because of its refinement.
So is it safe to say that muscle cars are generally unrefined "bang for your buck" vehicles?
I say it is.
Dont get me wrong, I actually drove one for a year or two.
In general I fail to see what glory you can get by simply upping the power at the expense of drivability.
I believe that the best cars are designed from the ground up for their purpose.
And this is exactly why I dont really have respect for the Holden/Vauxhall Monaro.

Sigma

You have a Monaro that's a 6.0L Version too, don't you? Still called the Monaro? Vauxhall does (the one they tested), so I assume Holden does as well.

I'd agree with that. People also just hesitate to call much outside of the US a "muscle car". Australia gets a free pass because it's the last haven of great V8 power; from the perspective over here in the US anyhow. We got a Monaro, but we'd kill for a Coupe 4 version or, even better, a Ford Falcon

True, but that's the distinction between a Muscle and a Sports car.

Perhaps you're being a bit too harsh on the Monaro, I don't know. I drove a GTO and it was surprisingly nimble given what it is and it's weight. Compared to other "muscle car" competition in the US, i.e. the Mustang and now the Charger, the thing is like comparing an RX-8 to a Honda Civic. I wouldn't go so far as to say it's "refined" though.

On Top Gear the Monaro beat out a freakin' Jaguar and it was considered by all 3 of their testers to be amazingly fun to drive. Clarkson repeatedly used the same phrases while driving the Monaro as he did while driving the RX-8 (another car he also loved). And he said anyone who bought a car in it's price range that didn't buy the Monaro was either "incredibly boring or mad". Not claiming their word to be gospel or anything, but they are driving-experience-***** if ever there was such a thing. One of its' major pluses is that all that out-dated (called "yester-tech" in a recent mag here) technology keeps computers out of your driving. And that's a big reason why the Top Gear guys probably liked it actually since they hate the likes of TCS, DSC, Torque Management, etc.

RXP33D

HSV will never be an AMG or an M...Let alone an rx8!

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