Mazda sponsorship for the RX-8 Nationals
07-07-2005, 05:54 AM
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Sorry, but in OZ we have to call in experts like Taka - we can't afford to take your word for it in case you were done in by a disgruntled Mazda Life journalist.. :D :D
07-07-2005, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by xxup
Where on earth is Eastern Creek and why would 20 Victorians and Queenslanders drive a squillion kilometers to see it???
EC is a race track in Sydney. It's bigger than Wakefield in every sense of the word.
07-07-2005, 08:01 PM
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Here you go everything you wanted to know about Eastern creek :D
http://www.eastern-creek-raceway.com/
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Here you go everything you wanted to know about Eastern creek :D
http://www.eastern-creek-raceway.com/
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07-08-2005, 02:37 AM
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Thanks Saru and "B.. free" Lock.. Looks nice, but I still would not drive all the way to go there.. My guess is that I won't even get an invitation... 
07-10-2005, 12:18 AM
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I was interested in the exchange between Draco, Mikey and Taka.
It highlights the need to have a formal club structure if you really want to get serious about having a national RX8 organisation.
No doubt the inaugural Nats can be cobbled together by the efforts of a few and I'm sure everyone who attends will enjoy it but if you want more than a track day with some social stuff tacked on it helps to have structure with properly allocated responsibilities. Third parties like sponsors also react much more favourably if they think they are dealing with a bona fide organisation rather than a collection of well-meaning enthusiasts who met on a web site.
A suggestion for you all - allocate an hour or so on the Saturday afternoon (before everyone starts to 'celebrate' their track time) and engage in a discussion (chaired by Timbo, say) as to whether there is enough commitment to start an Australian RX8 Club. If so, one or more can volunteer to draft a consititution and rules and convene elections for the office holders, etc.
Although I've not looked into it, I'm sure a bit of research would turn up sample club constitutions, rules, procedures, etc. We may even be able to use such a structure to cover things like insurance for club events and things like that.
Hope this stirs up some interest.
It highlights the need to have a formal club structure if you really want to get serious about having a national RX8 organisation.
No doubt the inaugural Nats can be cobbled together by the efforts of a few and I'm sure everyone who attends will enjoy it but if you want more than a track day with some social stuff tacked on it helps to have structure with properly allocated responsibilities. Third parties like sponsors also react much more favourably if they think they are dealing with a bona fide organisation rather than a collection of well-meaning enthusiasts who met on a web site.
A suggestion for you all - allocate an hour or so on the Saturday afternoon (before everyone starts to 'celebrate' their track time) and engage in a discussion (chaired by Timbo, say) as to whether there is enough commitment to start an Australian RX8 Club. If so, one or more can volunteer to draft a consititution and rules and convene elections for the office holders, etc.
Although I've not looked into it, I'm sure a bit of research would turn up sample club constitutions, rules, procedures, etc. We may even be able to use such a structure to cover things like insurance for club events and things like that.
Hope this stirs up some interest.
07-10-2005, 03:23 AM
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can i make a couple of suggestionc since i have been involved with a couple of car clubs, club audi nsw was the most recent one....
organising/running a car club on a national base is near impossible. too many ppl gets involved, too far away are the main problem.
start as a state based club with own president/vice president/secretory/treasurer/event organiser/committe members are essential. from memory you'd need at least 7 ppl to formally form a club, then orgainising insurance, clander events, CAMS licence, obtaining mazda's sponsorship/part sponsorshop, and other company's involvement is all time consuming. as well as signing up new members, looking after the member database
have AGM at an agreed time/location (can vary).
everything have to be carefully penned out, otherwise no companies will want to know you, especially the car company
organising/running a car club on a national base is near impossible. too many ppl gets involved, too far away are the main problem.
start as a state based club with own president/vice president/secretory/treasurer/event organiser/committe members are essential. from memory you'd need at least 7 ppl to formally form a club, then orgainising insurance, clander events, CAMS licence, obtaining mazda's sponsorship/part sponsorshop, and other company's involvement is all time consuming. as well as signing up new members, looking after the member database
have AGM at an agreed time/location (can vary).
everything have to be carefully penned out, otherwise no companies will want to know you, especially the car company
07-10-2005, 03:41 AM
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Ezzy... What you say makes sense, but this group works because we don't meet... Hell, we don't even know each other's names.. But because this group meets online it is probably easier, in this instance, to form a national club. The record of the meeting is the best you can have because everything we "say" is in writing.. We can even hold elections online.. :D
It is true that some muggins has to register the club, another may need to do the books and we need a nominal secretary.. But our costs are zilch - no hall (or other meeting place) to hire/own or associated costs, no computers to buy for the secretaty and no filing cabinets.
Shall we start a thread to call for nominees for President, Secretary and Treasurer???
It is true that some muggins has to register the club, another may need to do the books and we need a nominal secretary.. But our costs are zilch - no hall (or other meeting place) to hire/own or associated costs, no computers to buy for the secretaty and no filing cabinets.
Shall we start a thread to call for nominees for President, Secretary and Treasurer???
07-10-2005, 05:51 AM
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The thing I like about the forum is that there is no heirachy and we are all free to contribute as much or as little as we want. I think it is fair to say that RX-8 owners all lead pretty busy lives. I like the fact that we can all come and go as we please and we are all treated as equals. It is the informal nature of this forum that has kept me coming back for 2 years now.
07-10-2005, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Wildcard
The thing I like about the forum is that there is no heirachy and we are all free to contribute as much or as little as we want. I think it is fair to say that RX-8 owners all lead pretty busy lives. I like the fact that we can all come and go as we please and we are all treated as equals. It is the informal nature of this forum that has kept me coming back for 2 years now.
No heirachy ha ha ha excepting our Hymee who sees himself as blue blood
j/kYeah i lead a busy life helping my friend build his plane hanging out doing lunch and coffees with friends and driving the *** of my RX8 it can get really hectic
However i love the informal nature of the forum apart from the parachial behaviour of the moderators :p
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07-10-2005, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Lock & Load
Yeah i lead a busy life helping my friend build his plane hanging out doing lunch and coffees with friends and driving the *** of my RX8 it can get really hectic
:p :D
07-10-2005, 08:06 PM
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All valid points made.
I'm not suggesting the forum be replaced with a club. Rather, any club act as an adjunct to the forum for the purpose of conducting off-line events such as the Nationals, etc.
As to concerns that people wish to avoid an overly formal club structure, I've been a member of clubs where there may have been a formal hierarchy but there was no posing or power grabs, etc. A lot depends on who you elect and the mechanism for replacement if someone decides to grandstand and lord it over the rank and file.
I am also a member of a number of national organisations. There is no reason why you cannot have meetings and conduct other club business on-line. If legalities require an in person meeting such as the AGM, that can be arranged to coincide with an annual event such as the Nationals where there shouldn't be any difficulty getting a quorum.
We can all continue to enjoy the ad hoc nature of this forum and others like it. However, I continue to believe that the organisation of major events is far easier (and fairer) if there is a proper club structure with a known allocation of responsibility. It also makes relations with third parties such as sponsors and track owners easier.
That's my 5 cents worth. If others are interested it will get up. If not, I'm sure we can continue to share a laugh, information and continue to attend track and run days.
I'm not suggesting the forum be replaced with a club. Rather, any club act as an adjunct to the forum for the purpose of conducting off-line events such as the Nationals, etc.
As to concerns that people wish to avoid an overly formal club structure, I've been a member of clubs where there may have been a formal hierarchy but there was no posing or power grabs, etc. A lot depends on who you elect and the mechanism for replacement if someone decides to grandstand and lord it over the rank and file.
I am also a member of a number of national organisations. There is no reason why you cannot have meetings and conduct other club business on-line. If legalities require an in person meeting such as the AGM, that can be arranged to coincide with an annual event such as the Nationals where there shouldn't be any difficulty getting a quorum.
We can all continue to enjoy the ad hoc nature of this forum and others like it. However, I continue to believe that the organisation of major events is far easier (and fairer) if there is a proper club structure with a known allocation of responsibility. It also makes relations with third parties such as sponsors and track owners easier.
That's my 5 cents worth. If others are interested it will get up. If not, I'm sure we can continue to share a laugh, information and continue to attend track and run days.
07-10-2005, 10:56 PM
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It is all depends on whether you like a virtual club or a phyically present club.
The aim of the club is the same - to bring us together.
I have no issue with any methodology of conducting the event - just make it happen in the easiest way.
The aim of the club is the same - to bring us together.
I have no issue with any methodology of conducting the event - just make it happen in the easiest way.
07-11-2005, 01:08 AM
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Actually, a key element of my intent in kicking the Nationals off, is to see whether an online community can get its act together sufficiently to make something like this happen.
IMHO, car clubs are dead. They rely on a constant diet of activities which is very hard for the few active volunteers to sustain, and the hierarchy (real or perceived) gets in the way of action.
These forums, on the other hand, enable people to opt in/out, and be as active as they want to be, to exchange information, communicate, meet, and organise activities without (I hope) any of the restrictions a physical club structure would impose. Certainly, I would not be volunteering to lead on the Nationals as I have, if this was a 'real' club.
There will be difficulties, a lot of 'where's the organisation?' questions, but there is, logically, no reason why it can't happen this way. Apathy will be our biggest
enemy....but we already knew that
Climb on board!
IMHO, car clubs are dead. They rely on a constant diet of activities which is very hard for the few active volunteers to sustain, and the hierarchy (real or perceived) gets in the way of action.
These forums, on the other hand, enable people to opt in/out, and be as active as they want to be, to exchange information, communicate, meet, and organise activities without (I hope) any of the restrictions a physical club structure would impose. Certainly, I would not be volunteering to lead on the Nationals as I have, if this was a 'real' club.
There will be difficulties, a lot of 'where's the organisation?' questions, but there is, logically, no reason why it can't happen this way. Apathy will be our biggest
enemy....but we already knew that
Climb on board!
07-11-2005, 01:46 AM
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No, keep at it...it gets the issues out. For this to work, ultimately it's going to rely on the shared trust and confidence of a bunch of people who have basically never met. Only by expressing the obvious fear, uncertainty and doubt with that trust and confidence be built
07-11-2005, 06:30 PM
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No, keep at it...it gets the issues out. For this to work, ultimately it's going to rely on the shared trust and confidence of a bunch of people who have basically never met. Only by expressing the obvious fear, uncertainty and doubt with that trust and confidence be built
Just kidding. I agree it's worthwhile bringing up stuff for discussion but I also think there's no point flogging a dead horse. It seems the silent majority and the vocal minority want to keep this at a forum level of involvement and that's cool by me.
Now, watch me ****** the pebble from your hand...
07-11-2005, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by timbo
IMHO, car clubs are dead. They rely on a constant diet of activities which is very hard for the few active volunteers to sustain, and the hierarchy (real or perceived) gets in the way of action.
IMO web-based stuff is the way of the future but while enthusiasts are ready for that, and have been for some time, other bodies that enthusiasts will want or need to deal with to pursue their hobby are still stuck in the bricks-and-mortar world, notably insurance companies, CAMS[0] and the gumbyment in general for things like incorporation of the organisation.
Once a "car club" gets going, it will want or need to enter into contracts, either for hire of venues, insurance policies or association with other entities. I am unsure if regular incorporated non-profit associations can be run 100% virtually (though it would be great if they could!) and I don't at present have the time to seek that info out.
Keeping going with this train of thought the informallity of internet-based "clubs" (usually based around forums) means that the plain-vanilla seriousness of a bricks-and-mortar club can be lost. By this I mostly mean the need for (motorsports) events to be covered by public liability insurance and the other serious matters of (warning, cliche ahead) living in today's litigious world. In dealing with rotorheads of the pre-RX-8 stripe (who are very different in demographics to you lot!) the, ahem, informality of their attitude towards serious things like not doing burnouts in public or not doubling the open-road speed limit on cruises makes me worry about the possible consequences of an undoubtedly more open virtual club.
While that sounds like I am very negative towards an internet-based club, that is entirely incorrect -- I am all for it in principle. In practice though bricks-and-mortar clubs are fairly well established in terms of there being ways for them to interact with the wider world. Bridging the gap from virtual to actual may be the hardest part.
[0] Or your preferred non-monopoly motorsports governing body of choice
07-11-2005, 09:20 PM
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Well said Saru!
Look, it's easy to see why people prefer this kind of involvement. Other than the utterly obsessed, I suspect many 8 owners are too time poor and/or geographically challenged for fixed 'in person' club commitments and derive more benefit from a flexible online format such as this. As previously said, you can come and go as it suits your level of available time and interest and there is no-one telling you what, when and how to do things (with notable exceptions hey Lock?! ). I understand and appreciate that.
However, the downside, absent some creative thinking and the efforts of (typically) a few, is that the serious stuff mentioned by Saru is difficult to achieve.
Now some could probably care less about insurance, comprehensive national events, sponsorship, the avoidance of litigation and other 3rd party dealings and are happy as Larry just turning up to track and run days on an ad hoc basis and sharing the love. That's fine - no one's trying to start a conscription program for an RX8 army here. It is just that for those who do want to become involved in an RX8 focused club that caters for the more serious needs, this forum is presently an imperfect and unwieldy solution.
Perhaps the answer is a kind of hybrid club, which involves the vast majority of activities being coordinated online with only the occasional in person or hard copy dealing when legally or practically necessary. I am sure that is workable with a bit of finessing but I query whether apathy would ever allow it to get off the ground.
I suspect I'm now well and truly flogging that dead horse but I see a lot of enthusiasm on this forum for more regular and comprehensive RX8 focused events and I thought I'd stir the pot a bit to see if improvements are possible.
Look, it's easy to see why people prefer this kind of involvement. Other than the utterly obsessed, I suspect many 8 owners are too time poor and/or geographically challenged for fixed 'in person' club commitments and derive more benefit from a flexible online format such as this. As previously said, you can come and go as it suits your level of available time and interest and there is no-one telling you what, when and how to do things (with notable exceptions hey Lock?!
). I understand and appreciate that.However, the downside, absent some creative thinking and the efforts of (typically) a few, is that the serious stuff mentioned by Saru is difficult to achieve.
Now some could probably care less about insurance, comprehensive national events, sponsorship, the avoidance of litigation and other 3rd party dealings and are happy as Larry just turning up to track and run days on an ad hoc basis and sharing the love. That's fine - no one's trying to start a conscription program for an RX8 army here. It is just that for those who do want to become involved in an RX8 focused club that caters for the more serious needs, this forum is presently an imperfect and unwieldy solution.
Perhaps the answer is a kind of hybrid club, which involves the vast majority of activities being coordinated online with only the occasional in person or hard copy dealing when legally or practically necessary. I am sure that is workable with a bit of finessing but I query whether apathy would ever allow it to get off the ground.
I suspect I'm now well and truly flogging that dead horse but I see a lot of enthusiasm on this forum for more regular and comprehensive RX8 focused events and I thought I'd stir the pot a bit to see if improvements are possible.
07-12-2005, 12:42 AM
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You DID grab that pebble!
Probably, if the enthusiasm for more events -- especially competitive events requiring PL insurance -- is there, it might best be channeled through one of the established rotary clubs -- REACT or RENEW. I've flogged some dead horses in my time, but --IMHO -- there is none so dead as a single model car club (ie, restricted to RX-8s)
Their links: http://www.renew.asn.au/
http://www.react.org.au/
As Saru said, these organisations need support and I'd certainly encourage people who are keen on more action to jump on board
Probably, if the enthusiasm for more events -- especially competitive events requiring PL insurance -- is there, it might best be channeled through one of the established rotary clubs -- REACT or RENEW. I've flogged some dead horses in my time, but --IMHO -- there is none so dead as a single model car club (ie, restricted to RX-8s)
Their links: http://www.renew.asn.au/
http://www.react.org.au/
As Saru said, these organisations need support and I'd certainly encourage people who are keen on more action to jump on board
07-12-2005, 01:02 AM
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Timbo, try telling that to the MX-5 club, NSW & VIC branches are celebrating 15 years this year. Single model car club, doing very well.
Every MX-5 sold recently has a postcard advertising the club. Why can we not try and get this level of support for an RX-8 club? This message board is a minority of Australian owners, probably not even 1%, but an actual physical car club entity has to start somewhere and here is as good a start as any, but I really hope that discussions occur at the first National meeting to at least attempt to start an actual club. At least 1 Mazda employee has offered to help in this aim in passing because Mazda has the addresses of everyone that has purchased an RX-8 in Australia, shouldn't be difficult to advertise, we just have to get Mazda on board.
Every MX-5 sold recently has a postcard advertising the club. Why can we not try and get this level of support for an RX-8 club? This message board is a minority of Australian owners, probably not even 1%, but an actual physical car club entity has to start somewhere and here is as good a start as any, but I really hope that discussions occur at the first National meeting to at least attempt to start an actual club. At least 1 Mazda employee has offered to help in this aim in passing because Mazda has the addresses of everyone that has purchased an RX-8 in Australia, shouldn't be difficult to advertise, we just have to get Mazda on board.
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Damn, you got it back again! :p :D :D
Sounds like membership of RENEW or REACT together with involvement in the forum is the best way to achieve things for the time being.
Thanks for the links.
Sounds like membership of RENEW or REACT together with involvement in the forum is the best way to achieve things for the time being.
Thanks for the links.
07-12-2005, 01:13 AM
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Glad you finally tagged back in there Draco - Timbo had me running out of puff.
As previously suggested, whatever the outcome there is no harm in scheduling a discussion at the Nationals concerning the institution of a club and other issues. You could do it at 5pm after everyone has finished on the track but before you all go to dinner, etc.
In my experience, such discussions are far more productive if chaired and structured so it doesn't just become a gab fest or even worse a shouting match. I won't take it any further because I'm unlikely to get there but if others see that as a good idea no doubt it will happen.
Another thought that just occurred to me is that perhaps we could all join REACT or RENEW and institute a dedicated RX8 chapter of those clubs if single model events are desired. I know very little about either club so my sincere apologies if that suggestion is offensive to their members - I'm simply trying to be a bit lateral. Such an initiative may allow RX8 owners to benefit from the established club structure whilst in return giving those clubs increased revenue and membership profile. Surely more members with current models would increase any pull they have with Mazda???
Ha, snatched it back!!! :D
As previously suggested, whatever the outcome there is no harm in scheduling a discussion at the Nationals concerning the institution of a club and other issues. You could do it at 5pm after everyone has finished on the track but before you all go to dinner, etc.
In my experience, such discussions are far more productive if chaired and structured so it doesn't just become a gab fest or even worse a shouting match. I won't take it any further because I'm unlikely to get there but if others see that as a good idea no doubt it will happen.
Another thought that just occurred to me is that perhaps we could all join REACT or RENEW and institute a dedicated RX8 chapter of those clubs if single model events are desired. I know very little about either club so my sincere apologies if that suggestion is offensive to their members - I'm simply trying to be a bit lateral. Such an initiative may allow RX8 owners to benefit from the established club structure whilst in return giving those clubs increased revenue and membership profile. Surely more members with current models would increase any pull they have with Mazda???
Ha, snatched it back!!! :D
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Cheers, Tim! :D
The funny thing about "single car" clubs is the MX-5 club. Perhaps they're the exception that proves the rule. (draco beat me to it)
As the outgoing secretary of REACT I would not have a problem with an RX-8 specific chapter (we could set one up for each model) but you'd have to, I think, allow non-RX-8s at RX-8 events, if only for numbers sake. FWIW, we don't have many -8s in REACT but we had a "tech session" where JW from Reliance in Canberra spoke on -8s for about 2 hours and it was one of our best attended events.
Revolver, seeing as you're in Sydney, wander over to RENEW and join their forum and ask there.
If you're looking for other Rotary focussed clubs in other states that do motorsports, try:
QLD: Seven of Clubs (not overly motorsports oriented)
Seven of Clubs Mazda Car Club of QLD Inc
P O Box 333
Zillmere
QLD 4034
email the prez, Marek: rx752@optusnet.com.au coz their website is down at the moment: http://www.sevenofclubs.com.au/
(in QLD, join the MG Car Club for club-level motorsports. When I had an MG and was a member, the president had a Fiat - they're not just about MGs. Also try the Holden Sporting Car Club)
Vic: Mazda Car Club of Australia
http://www.mazdacarclub.org.au/
CAMS affiliated, lots of motorsports opportunities. The have had trouble getting people from AusRotary to join because they're not "rotary only" (and also probably not sik enough).
SA: SA Rotors
http://www.sarotors.org/
A sub-group of the Austin-7 club of SA which has a strong motorspots focus. SAR also do regular cruises etc.
WA: ALL FOURS & ROTARIES CAR CLUB OF WA INC
http://www.allfours.org.au
CAMS affiliated. Sorry - that's all I know about this club.
The funny thing about "single car" clubs is the MX-5 club. Perhaps they're the exception that proves the rule. (draco beat me to it)
As the outgoing secretary of REACT I would not have a problem with an RX-8 specific chapter (we could set one up for each model) but you'd have to, I think, allow non-RX-8s at RX-8 events, if only for numbers sake. FWIW, we don't have many -8s in REACT but we had a "tech session" where JW from Reliance in Canberra spoke on -8s for about 2 hours and it was one of our best attended events.
Revolver, seeing as you're in Sydney, wander over to RENEW and join their forum and ask there.
If you're looking for other Rotary focussed clubs in other states that do motorsports, try:
QLD: Seven of Clubs (not overly motorsports oriented)
Seven of Clubs Mazda Car Club of QLD Inc
P O Box 333
Zillmere
QLD 4034
email the prez, Marek: rx752@optusnet.com.au coz their website is down at the moment: http://www.sevenofclubs.com.au/
(in QLD, join the MG Car Club for club-level motorsports. When I had an MG and was a member, the president had a Fiat - they're not just about MGs. Also try the Holden Sporting Car Club)
Vic: Mazda Car Club of Australia
http://www.mazdacarclub.org.au/
CAMS affiliated, lots of motorsports opportunities. The have had trouble getting people from AusRotary to join because they're not "rotary only" (and also probably not sik enough).
SA: SA Rotors
http://www.sarotors.org/
A sub-group of the Austin-7 club of SA which has a strong motorspots focus. SAR also do regular cruises etc.
WA: ALL FOURS & ROTARIES CAR CLUB OF WA INC
http://www.allfours.org.au
CAMS affiliated. Sorry - that's all I know about this club.
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