How to Select your Mazda Dealer.
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How to Select your Mazda Dealer.
Lets talk about Mazda Dealerships.
I'm currently looking at purchasing another RX-8. I sold my 2004 RX-8 a few months back....I got a deal I couldn't refuse.
In the Lounge, there's been a discussion about the ongoing problems erx8s has with his RX-8 and the strife he's found himself in with his dealership on the Gold Coast. This has raised an issue we all face from time to time and prompted me to start a thread dedicated to selecting a Mazda Dealer.
From the Lounge:
I'd like to discuss the above statement for a while.
There are two reasons why we go to dealers. We go there to purchase our car, and we go there to service/repair our car.
Purchase price:
When buying a car most people are primarily concerned with the purchase price. No-one pays full retail, everyone haggles for a better deal than that. Some dealers will offer free floor mats, others will drop thousands off the list price (and toss in free floor mats!). You're going to choose your dealer accordingly.
Servicing:
The other important factor is scheduled servicing. Note that I didn't say "after sales service" (I'll get to that later). When it comes to servicing, you want a dealer that does the job, does it right first time, does it promptly and does it at a competitive price. Another servicing factor is dealership location....you don't want to pack a cut lunch just to get to the workshop.
Now, what happens if the dealer you buy your RX-8 from isn't the best guy in town when it comes to getting your car serviced? Why should you get your car serviced at a second-rate workshop? Blind loyalty?? The dealer will have you believe that he's the man because he can offer better "after sales service". Is your dealer actually telling you that he'll look after you because you bought your car from him?? HA!! When cars had fins that may have been the case, but it ain't now. Service departments are now business units at the dealership. The Service Manager has his own set of KPI's to meet. He isn't going to do the Sales Manager any favours....
It's easy to tell which dealer offered you the cheapest price when you bought your car, but it's not so easy to pick the best service department. That's why I started the stickied Scheduled Service thread...it's worth a read (and a post telling of your experience).
Henry Ford is alleged to have once said, "I'll give my cars away for free, as long as you come back to me for parts!". Dealerships earn a good quid out of their parts and service departments. Some dealerships offer extended warranties at a reduced rate (or free) if you guarantee you'll get your car serviced in their workshop. What they are in fact doing is betting they'll make more money out of you than it'll cost them in repairs. It's a bet stacked in their favour because they have good data on your cars reliability and you don't.
Michael (who is quoted above) is in strife because he lives in a one horse town. The Gold Coast has only one Mazda dealer. His options are limited as the cut-lunch scenario is in play. For those that have a choice of dealer, I suggest that you do some research to find the best workshop in your area.
Buy from the cheapest, get service with the best. If they're co-located...Ace!! If they're not co-located, you have options. If the cheap RX-8's are in Sydney and you live in Adelaide then you can drive across the joy that is outback NSW!! Buy a cheap plane ticket to Sydney and kill a few bugs on the lazy drive home.
I have the leasing company getting me a quote on a new RX-8. They'll come back with a price and the dealership who supplied it. I'll then be able to shop around (Australia-wide) to try and beat that price. The last time I did this I found a very good price at West End Mazda in Sydney's west. The Melbourne dealership I was at actually rang West End Mazda to confirm the price before agreeing to better it (in Feb 2004 there wasn't much discounting going on).
When buying, shop around and remind your dealer that interstate dealerships are only a cheap $100 aeroplane ticket away. When getting service, go to the shop that does the best work. When on the Gold Coast....well, good luck
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Cheers
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I'm currently looking at purchasing another RX-8. I sold my 2004 RX-8 a few months back....I got a deal I couldn't refuse.
In the Lounge, there's been a discussion about the ongoing problems erx8s has with his RX-8 and the strife he's found himself in with his dealership on the Gold Coast. This has raised an issue we all face from time to time and prompted me to start a thread dedicated to selecting a Mazda Dealer.
From the Lounge:
There are two reasons why we go to dealers. We go there to purchase our car, and we go there to service/repair our car.
Purchase price:
When buying a car most people are primarily concerned with the purchase price. No-one pays full retail, everyone haggles for a better deal than that. Some dealers will offer free floor mats, others will drop thousands off the list price (and toss in free floor mats!). You're going to choose your dealer accordingly.
Servicing:
The other important factor is scheduled servicing. Note that I didn't say "after sales service" (I'll get to that later). When it comes to servicing, you want a dealer that does the job, does it right first time, does it promptly and does it at a competitive price. Another servicing factor is dealership location....you don't want to pack a cut lunch just to get to the workshop.
Now, what happens if the dealer you buy your RX-8 from isn't the best guy in town when it comes to getting your car serviced? Why should you get your car serviced at a second-rate workshop? Blind loyalty?? The dealer will have you believe that he's the man because he can offer better "after sales service". Is your dealer actually telling you that he'll look after you because you bought your car from him?? HA!! When cars had fins that may have been the case, but it ain't now. Service departments are now business units at the dealership. The Service Manager has his own set of KPI's to meet. He isn't going to do the Sales Manager any favours....
It's easy to tell which dealer offered you the cheapest price when you bought your car, but it's not so easy to pick the best service department. That's why I started the stickied Scheduled Service thread...it's worth a read (and a post telling of your experience).
Henry Ford is alleged to have once said, "I'll give my cars away for free, as long as you come back to me for parts!". Dealerships earn a good quid out of their parts and service departments. Some dealerships offer extended warranties at a reduced rate (or free) if you guarantee you'll get your car serviced in their workshop. What they are in fact doing is betting they'll make more money out of you than it'll cost them in repairs. It's a bet stacked in their favour because they have good data on your cars reliability and you don't.
Michael (who is quoted above) is in strife because he lives in a one horse town. The Gold Coast has only one Mazda dealer. His options are limited as the cut-lunch scenario is in play. For those that have a choice of dealer, I suggest that you do some research to find the best workshop in your area.
Buy from the cheapest, get service with the best. If they're co-located...Ace!! If they're not co-located, you have options. If the cheap RX-8's are in Sydney and you live in Adelaide then you can drive across the joy that is outback NSW!! Buy a cheap plane ticket to Sydney and kill a few bugs on the lazy drive home.
I have the leasing company getting me a quote on a new RX-8. They'll come back with a price and the dealership who supplied it. I'll then be able to shop around (Australia-wide) to try and beat that price. The last time I did this I found a very good price at West End Mazda in Sydney's west. The Melbourne dealership I was at actually rang West End Mazda to confirm the price before agreeing to better it (in Feb 2004 there wasn't much discounting going on).
When buying, shop around and remind your dealer that interstate dealerships are only a cheap $100 aeroplane ticket away. When getting service, go to the shop that does the best work. When on the Gold Coast....well, good luck
.Cheers
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Gomez has added a very valid points in considering your purchase and the dealer you choose however you must also consider the actual .....Service Manager ,
because even though the mechanics may be reasonable , they are solely controlled by the service manager , if he is an ******* the mechanics are bound to his orders he decides on warranty issues and any work done on your car .
Cheers
Michael
because even though the mechanics may be reasonable , they are solely controlled by the service manager , if he is an ******* the mechanics are bound to his orders he decides on warranty issues and any work done on your car .Cheers
Michael
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08-27-2007, 01:01 AM
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I think a good point to note as well is that you dont HAVE to have your car serviced by Mazda. Melbourne, Sydney and Adelaide have some great rotary workshops who are legally allowed to service your car without voiding warranty so long as they follow the manufacturers maintenance schedule.
The issue of course becomes when a warranty problem arrises, but in my opinion I think you would be in a better position as these guys are far better positioned to tell Mazda the problem is definately a problem and that your air filter didnt cause your Cat' to fail, etc.
Cheers
Andrew
The issue of course becomes when a warranty problem arrises, but in my opinion I think you would be in a better position as these guys are far better positioned to tell Mazda the problem is definately a problem and that your air filter didnt cause your Cat' to fail, etc.
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I think a good point to note as well is that you dont HAVE to have your car serviced by Mazda. Melbourne, Sydney and Adelaide have some great rotary workshops who are legally allowed to service your car without voiding warranty so long as they follow the manufacturers maintenance schedule....
Mazda's M-MDS diagnostic system is unavailable to other workshops. Increasingly, new cars are becoming enslaved to dealership service departments. Mazda are also the only source of the latest engine software updates.
I love working on my cars, but I can see that time is fast coming to an end!!
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Yes, very true....but only up to a point.
Mazda's M-MDS diagnostic system is unavailable to other workshops. Increasingly, new cars are becoming enslaved to dealership service departments. Mazda are also the only source of the latest engine software updates.
I love working on my cars, but I can see that time is fast coming to an end!!
Mazda's M-MDS diagnostic system is unavailable to other workshops. Increasingly, new cars are becoming enslaved to dealership service departments. Mazda are also the only source of the latest engine software updates.
I love working on my cars, but I can see that time is fast coming to an end!!
Cheers
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these day, most updates are only minor issues such as SLIGHT fuel economy increases, etc. And you could come to the conclusion that the money you save servicing outside a dealer could be put towards a visit to the dealer to update to the latest flash and still be a few dollars better off?
Something to take into account when considering non-Mazda workshops is the phenomenon I'll call "stamp discrimination".
Buyers of secondhand cars often like to see factory dealer stamps in the scheduled service booklet. The guy that bought my RX-8 was one of them.
As the cars age and are worth less, stamp discrimination becomes less of an issue. Ten years old cars are more likely sold on their condition and their service history is less of a consideration.
If you plan to keep your RX-8 for a long stretch, then having your services done at Midas and booking an annual trip to the dealer is an option.
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Good points, 'mez.
Having sold the 8, where we had a two horse (but commonly-owned) town, and gone to VW, where Canberra is a one horse town, I can understand Michael's service predicament. However, on buying, I took the approach of gathering prices from Sydney and Melbourne, getting written quotes and then asking the local dealer if they'd match. I think I made it pretty clear to them that I'd do a Syd/Melb deal, but I wanted them to have the opportunity of my business. They came to the party!
The second thing is to ensure you get to know 3 key people in the dealership: the Dealer Principal; the Service Manager; and the Sales Manager. The sales guy doing the deal will always set up these meetings, provided you haven't yet signed anything. There's a couple of things I try to lock in at this point, namely, the terms of servicing (usually, that I get a free loan car) and the process for escalating any issues I have with the car. I like to pin this one on the DP with a simple "if I have any problems and I'm not getting any satisfaction, can I ring you up?". Before the sale, the DP will always say yes, and he'll give you his card -- complete with mobile number!
Ask the Sales Manager if you can refer any prospect to him, based on your satisfaction with the deal. This is gold for these guys...and do it, if you feel so inclined. I reckon I 'sold' at least 3 other 8's in Canberra, and a couple of VWs. Once the Sales Manager knows you're an influencer, he'll tend to be (a bit) sympathetic.
Treat the Service Manager as "the expert"! I know, often he doesn't know his @rse from his elbow, but his role in the dealership is as "the expert". Most people never take kindly to those who tell them how to do their jobs, and Service Managers are no exception. They are the gatekeeper to you getting a warranty repair (which, in any case, is no skin off them -- the mfr pays ---it just needs to be "reasonable").
When I had the 8, I took the approach of 'sharing information' with the SM, asking him about things I'd 'heard', such as recalls. Handled politely, he took this on board and became pretty good at even (almost) being proactive.
It all comes down to the basic rules: dealerships are businesses; they'll do a deal so long as they make money, sometimes even when cars are scarce; Service Managers are people and need to be treated carefully and always politely. The Dealer Principal is the point at which both of the factors meet, and if you get to know him, you always have an avenue of appeal.
Sometimes, none of the above will work. But I have found that is usually the exception.
Having sold the 8, where we had a two horse (but commonly-owned) town, and gone to VW, where Canberra is a one horse town, I can understand Michael's service predicament. However, on buying, I took the approach of gathering prices from Sydney and Melbourne, getting written quotes and then asking the local dealer if they'd match. I think I made it pretty clear to them that I'd do a Syd/Melb deal, but I wanted them to have the opportunity of my business. They came to the party!
The second thing is to ensure you get to know 3 key people in the dealership: the Dealer Principal; the Service Manager; and the Sales Manager. The sales guy doing the deal will always set up these meetings, provided you haven't yet signed anything. There's a couple of things I try to lock in at this point, namely, the terms of servicing (usually, that I get a free loan car) and the process for escalating any issues I have with the car. I like to pin this one on the DP with a simple "if I have any problems and I'm not getting any satisfaction, can I ring you up?". Before the sale, the DP will always say yes, and he'll give you his card -- complete with mobile number!
Ask the Sales Manager if you can refer any prospect to him, based on your satisfaction with the deal. This is gold for these guys...and do it, if you feel so inclined. I reckon I 'sold' at least 3 other 8's in Canberra, and a couple of VWs. Once the Sales Manager knows you're an influencer, he'll tend to be (a bit) sympathetic.
Treat the Service Manager as "the expert"! I know, often he doesn't know his @rse from his elbow, but his role in the dealership is as "the expert". Most people never take kindly to those who tell them how to do their jobs, and Service Managers are no exception. They are the gatekeeper to you getting a warranty repair (which, in any case, is no skin off them -- the mfr pays ---it just needs to be "reasonable").
When I had the 8, I took the approach of 'sharing information' with the SM, asking him about things I'd 'heard', such as recalls. Handled politely, he took this on board and became pretty good at even (almost) being proactive.
It all comes down to the basic rules: dealerships are businesses; they'll do a deal so long as they make money, sometimes even when cars are scarce; Service Managers are people and need to be treated carefully and always politely. The Dealer Principal is the point at which both of the factors meet, and if you get to know him, you always have an avenue of appeal.
Sometimes, none of the above will work. But I have found that is usually the exception.
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After the 1st few servicesat Mazda Goldcoast i found a sole operator rotary mechanic and had him regularly service my car every 5000km , as per the manual .
He has been doing a great job in changing oils( engine, diff,gearbox ) filters sparkplugs ,helped me with my short shifter install and my racingbeat air intake .
However if anything happens and your car throughs a cell and shuts down unless u have a scanner diagnostic tool such as the one Hymmee sells and you can download and read the codes you are forced to go to a Mazda dealer who has the MDS Diagnostic system to find out whats happening .
Yes i saved quite a few $$$$ by not going to Mazda and getting ripped of on service sparplug cost , not replacing a cat with the stock mazda one $2300
or paying $1200 for 2 ...02 sensors but at the end when you a forced to go to them they simple dont want to know you .
I am know in a position of trying to find a Brisbane Mazda dealer who is willing to take me on and solve my issues .
As Gomez said they have you by the *****
especially if you live in a one horse town .
Guess i should have crawled up the sales manager , service manager and the dealer principles *** , instead of perving on the bosses secretarys big **** and then i would have had a better outcome
Cheers
Michael
After the 1st few servicesat Mazda Goldcoast i found a sole operator rotary mechanic and had him regularly service my car every 5000km , as per the manual .
He has been doing a great job in changing oils( engine, diff,gearbox ) filters sparkplugs ,helped me with my short shifter install and my racingbeat air intake .
However if anything happens and your car throughs a cell and shuts down unless u have a scanner diagnostic tool such as the one Hymmee sells and you can download and read the codes you are forced to go to a Mazda dealer who has the MDS Diagnostic system to find out whats happening .
Yes i saved quite a few $$$$ by not going to Mazda and getting ripped of on service sparplug cost , not replacing a cat with the stock mazda one $2300
or paying $1200 for 2 ...02 sensors but at the end when you a forced to go to them they simple dont want to know you .I am know in a position of trying to find a Brisbane Mazda dealer who is willing to take me on and solve my issues .
As Gomez said they have you by the *****
especially if you live in a one horse town .Guess i should have crawled up the sales manager , service manager and the dealer principles *** , instead of perving on the bosses secretarys big **** and then i would have had a better outcome
Cheers
Michael
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08-27-2007, 03:22 AM
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You all made valid points. It is true for all makes of cars, not just Mazda.
And it is sad but so true.
I don't believe servicing at dealership unless you have a problem. Routine service yes, it will keep the book looks pretty and happy, but dealers will charge you more than others. I get far better service today with a racing shop in Bayswater today for the same price ($82 per hour). It is soooooo good of an experience that I am happy to pay that price (which is ridiculous since I can only earn slightly more per hour). Having said that, I WILL service at Mazda for 50000km, this day is coming very slowly atm.
Yes that is important, but also important to update of their names and faces since they can change!
Originally Posted by Gomez
Now, what happens if the dealer you buy your RX-8 from isn't the best guy in town when it comes to getting your car serviced? Why should you get your car serviced at a second-rate workshop? Blind loyalty?? The dealer will have you believe that he's the man because he can offer better "after sales service". Is your dealer actually telling you that he'll look after you because you bought your car from him?? HA!! When cars had fins that may have been the case, but it ain't now. Service departments are now business units at the dealership. The Service Manager has his own set of KPI's to meet. He isn't going to do the Sales Manager any favours....
It's easy to tell which dealer offered you the cheapest price when you bought your car, but it's not so easy to pick the best service department. That's why I started the stickied Scheduled Service thread...it's worth a read (and a post telling of your experience).
It's easy to tell which dealer offered you the cheapest price when you bought your car, but it's not so easy to pick the best service department. That's why I started the stickied Scheduled Service thread...it's worth a read (and a post telling of your experience).
I don't believe servicing at dealership unless you have a problem. Routine service yes, it will keep the book looks pretty and happy, but dealers will charge you more than others. I get far better service today with a racing shop in Bayswater today for the same price ($82 per hour). It is soooooo good of an experience that I am happy to pay that price (which is ridiculous since I can only earn slightly more per hour). Having said that, I WILL service at Mazda for 50000km, this day is coming very slowly atm.
Originally Posted by Timbo
The second thing is to ensure you get to know 3 key people in the dealership: the Dealer Principal; the Service Manager; and the Sales Manager.
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Most Gold coast car dealerships have not only a monopoly on one products but some dealers have 6 different brands in their stable
Being a one horse town the earlier clever bussiness guys have sown up most of the big money industries .Real estate , Cars , Boats ,Tourism keeping the later arriving Mexicans out unless your a local (lived here since 1950 ) your considered fair game .
People around here walk in to dealers settling here from all over Australia and overseas with suitcases full of cash and buy luxury cars ,boats homes etc the days of local owner principal knowing his staff and clients personally caring for them are long gone .
Make a $$$$ for today and dont worry about tommorrow is what the Goldcoast is all about .
What is being suggested may work in other areas but the Goldcoast is a Transient oasis .
Cheers
Michael
Being a one horse town the earlier clever bussiness guys have sown up most of the big money industries .Real estate , Cars , Boats ,Tourism keeping the later arriving Mexicans out unless your a local (lived here since 1950 ) your considered fair game .
People around here walk in to dealers settling here from all over Australia and overseas with suitcases full of cash and buy luxury cars ,boats homes etc the days of local owner principal knowing his staff and clients personally caring for them are long gone .
Make a $$$$ for today and dont worry about tommorrow is what the Goldcoast is all about .
What is being suggested may work in other areas but the Goldcoast is a Transient oasis .
Cheers
Michael
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In my experience most dealers will carry out the routine servicing okay.
The problems start when you want them to investigate a 'glitch' (which covers a whole range of stuff) that you have noticed about the car. Because you live with it, these things are usually more noticeable to you. Unfortunately, the service guys appear to spend very little time tracking these things down (and sometimes I wonder if they bother at all). When you're not exactly mechanically minded, this can be a real pita, because then you feel you need to shop around to get some other shop to check it out.
The problems start when you want them to investigate a 'glitch' (which covers a whole range of stuff) that you have noticed about the car. Because you live with it, these things are usually more noticeable to you. Unfortunately, the service guys appear to spend very little time tracking these things down (and sometimes I wonder if they bother at all). When you're not exactly mechanically minded, this can be a real pita, because then you feel you need to shop around to get some other shop to check it out.
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After the 1st few servicesat Mazda Goldcoast i found a sole operator rotary mechanic and had him regularly service my car every 5000km , as per the manual .
He has been doing a great job in changing oils( engine, diff,gearbox ) filters sparkplugs ,helped me with my short shifter install and my racingbeat air intake .
However if anything happens and your car throughs a cell and shuts down unless u have a scanner diagnostic tool such as the one Hymmee sells and you can download and read the codes you are forced to go to a Mazda dealer who has the MDS Diagnostic system to find out whats happening .
Yes i saved quite a few $$$$ by not going to Mazda and getting ripped of on service sparplug cost , not replacing a cat with the stock mazda one $2300or paying $1200 for 2 ...02 sensors but at the end when you a forced to go to them they simple dont want to know you .
I am know in a position of trying to find a Brisbane Mazda dealer who is willing to take me on and solve my issues .
As Gomez said they have you by the ***** especially if you live in a one horse town .
Guess i should have crawled up the sales manager , service manager and the dealer principles *** , instead of perving on the bosses secretarys big **** and then i would have had a better outcome
Cheers
Michael
After the 1st few servicesat Mazda Goldcoast i found a sole operator rotary mechanic and had him regularly service my car every 5000km , as per the manual .
He has been doing a great job in changing oils( engine, diff,gearbox ) filters sparkplugs ,helped me with my short shifter install and my racingbeat air intake .
However if anything happens and your car throughs a cell and shuts down unless u have a scanner diagnostic tool such as the one Hymmee sells and you can download and read the codes you are forced to go to a Mazda dealer who has the MDS Diagnostic system to find out whats happening .
Yes i saved quite a few $$$$ by not going to Mazda and getting ripped of on service sparplug cost , not replacing a cat with the stock mazda one $2300
or paying $1200 for 2 ...02 sensors but at the end when you a forced to go to them they simple dont want to know you .I am know in a position of trying to find a Brisbane Mazda dealer who is willing to take me on and solve my issues .
As Gomez said they have you by the *****
especially if you live in a one horse town .Guess i should have crawled up the sales manager , service manager and the dealer principles *** , instead of perving on the bosses secretarys big **** and then i would have had a better outcome
Cheers
Michael
Cheers
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I can only speculate since I am probably one of the few members of this forum who has not modified his/her vehicle in some way, but it could be that owners of un-modded cars might have an easier time when it comes to sorting problems with their dealer. I understand what it's like to be on the other side of the fence. As a (very, very small) manufacturer of scientific instrumentation, I am very careful about entertaining warranty claims. There have been people who have clearly damaged their instruments due to professional incompetence, failure to read manuals, failure to avail themselves of our free consulting service, etc. and then expected us to replace the damage for free. While my sympathy for car dealers is very limited, I do have a certain understanding of their point of view.
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Andrew you are correct however why should the average owner of the RX8 HAVE TO BECOME A ROTARY GURU and a tecknician in order to get the car running correctly , this car was meant to be a family car for the masses not for the harcore rotary enthusiast .
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In my experience most dealers will carry out the routine servicing okay.
The problems start when you want them to investigate a 'glitch' (which covers a whole range of stuff) that you have noticed about the car. Because you live with it, these things are usually more noticeable to you. Unfortunately, the service guys appear to spend very little time tracking these things down (and sometimes I wonder if they bother at all). When you're not exactly mechanically minded, this can be a real pita, because then you feel you need to shop around to get some other shop to check it out.
The problems start when you want them to investigate a 'glitch' (which covers a whole range of stuff) that you have noticed about the car. Because you live with it, these things are usually more noticeable to you. Unfortunately, the service guys appear to spend very little time tracking these things down (and sometimes I wonder if they bother at all). When you're not exactly mechanically minded, this can be a real pita, because then you feel you need to shop around to get some other shop to check it out.
The 60K service was the straw that broke the camels back. The wheels weren't removed for the brake inspection and the cost for the service was way out of line.
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I still think that non-factory mechanical or electronic modifications can have unexpected consequences, some of which might not become apparent for thousands of kilometres. Whenever you undertake any of these exercises, you are backing your expertise (or the "expert" to which you have entrusted your car) against that of countless specialized, very highly qualified automotive engineers, technologists and technicians with decades of experience to draw upon. I'm not saying there aren't some real gems beavering away in tuning shops and making super bolt-ons out there, but for the average mug punter like me, I'll take the soft and easy way out. I have much better things to do with my time and money.
08-28-2007, 05:55 AM
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I think a good point to note as well is that you dont HAVE to have your car serviced by Mazda. Melbourne, Sydney and Adelaide have some great rotary workshops who are legally allowed to service your car without voiding warranty so long as they follow the manufacturers maintenance schedule.
The issue of course becomes when a warranty problem arrises, but in my opinion I think you would be in a better position as these guys are far better positioned to tell Mazda the problem is definately a problem and that your air filter didnt cause your Cat' to fail, etc.
Cheers
Andrew
The issue of course becomes when a warranty problem arrises, but in my opinion I think you would be in a better position as these guys are far better positioned to tell Mazda the problem is definately a problem and that your air filter didnt cause your Cat' to fail, etc.
Cheers
Andrew
) and I've taken it to my usual dealer today for repair??? and a 70k service ... got in the car, hopped on the monash and yup the bloody light came on againMy car's no longer under warranty. Can anyone suggest a really good rotary mechanic in metro Melbourne?
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08-28-2007, 06:41 AM
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Hmmm, I am currently having a problem with my Mazda - the coolant light keeps coming on (even when I'm not pushing it ) and I've taken it to my usual dealer today for repair??? and a 70k service ... got in the car, hopped on the monash and yup the bloody light came on again
My car's no longer under warranty. Can anyone suggest a really good rotary mechanic in metro Melbourne?
) and I've taken it to my usual dealer today for repair??? and a 70k service ... got in the car, hopped on the monash and yup the bloody light came on againMy car's no longer under warranty. Can anyone suggest a really good rotary mechanic in metro Melbourne?
You've probably got a level sensor problem.
https://www.rx8club.com/australia-new-zealand-forum-37/coolant-warning-light-104244/#post1630763
08-28-2007, 06:56 AM
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that would mean i can't buy my new black xbox elite 
for a week