Thanks to all for the replies. The salesman played his little game, You know, "let me check with my boss". Then came back with most dealers are selling at full to $300.00 over list so there was nothing he could do. I said thanks but I can wait. It does hurt a little I really love the car, the blue is amazing! Next spring though I'll have that much more saved to put towards the down payment and the snow tires I'll need. Thanks again and enjoy your cars while I just dream.