If mazda builts a 3 rotor renesis rx-8 with at least 300 real hp and get decent gas milage for $30,000 to $32,000 would you buy it?

no

as long as the ECU is not a PITA like the current one.

as long as the ECU is not a PITA like the current one.

well we have finally started to develop flashes and understanding the ecu, I think mazda is in a position right now to offer a more reliable rotary equip car

I'd like to swap that engine into my current RX-8 as I already have the suspension upgraded. But if for whatever strange reason I couldn't do that, then I would make a trade.

I'd like to swap that engine into my current RX-8 as I already have the suspension upgraded. But if for whatever strange reason I couldn't do that, then I would make a trade.

same here

uh, hell freaking yeah

I would if it wouldn't weigh 100 lbs more and get 5mpg worse fuel economy then our engine... but it more then likely would

^^let's say mazda makes it 2950 lbs?

^^let's say mazda makes it 2950 lbs?

hmm are you getting somewhere RC :P

maybe :bootyshak

^^let's say mazda makes it 2950 lbs?

can i get a flux capacitor while we are at it?

if you can pay for it :hahano:

they only need to loose a couple of things, well ok lets say 3100 lbs

can i get a flux capacitor while we are at it?


if youve got the 1.21 gigawats

So for the same cost of an Rx-8 now, would I buy an Rx8 with 300hp and gets good gas mileage?

Of course I wouldn't. :rolleyes:

So for the same cost of an Rx-8 now, would I buy an Rx8 with 300hp and gets good gas mileage?

Of course I wouldn't. :rolleyes:

lets say they make it a base rx-8 28,000 plus and engine upgrade 5,000

Hell, why not make it 400hp and 2700lbs with 40mpg and the ability to cure cancer and stop world hunger for 22,000.

So for the same cost of an Rx-8 now, would I buy an Rx8 with 300hp and gets good gas mileage?

Of course I wouldn't. :rolleyes:

A new base rx8 is about 27k. Go with FI, you'll be spending a total of about $32-34k. In this case, you get a 3 rotor (somehow passing emissions) for a +70 hp bump from the current rating. I think (or maybe, I hope), $32-33k would be realistic.

and peace on earth.

Hell, why not make it 400hp and 2700lbs with 40mpg and the ability to cure cancer and stop world hunger for 22,000.

nope that's what the evo does


j/k

Hell yes...in a heartbeat

I spent 31k for my current rx-8, so this is a no brainer. But given the resale value of the RX-8, there's no way I'd be selling my car to get the new version.

even with 300hp and a warranty?

I already have 300 hp. The warranty doesn't bother me. The loss of the cost of turbo + accessories and depreciation on the rx-8 would be far too great to offset getting the new model when it makes the similar hp.

I'd like a snowcone machine in my $30,000 3 rotor RX-8 please.

Hell, why not make it 400hp and 2700lbs with 40mpg and the ability to cure cancer and stop world hunger for 22,000.
That's ridiculous. You know that only Chuck Norris's tears can cure cancer.

Hell, why not make it 400hp and 2700lbs with 40mpg and the ability to cure cancer and stop world hunger for 22,000.
Hah, that's what I thought when I read the question.

You're asking people if they would spend essentially the same amount of money for the same car w/ more power and better gas mileage. Uh, no duh the answer would be yes.

Hah, that's what I thought when I read the question.

You're asking people if they would spend essentially the same amount of money for the same car w/ more power and better gas mileage. Uh, no duh the answer would be yes.

not really, it would be a base car without any luxury, no leather, no cruise control, etc.

give or take a couple of $1000.

That's ridiculous. You know that only Chuck Norris's tears can cure cancer.
Yeah. Too bad Chuck Norris has never cried.

Anyway, getting back on topic, I think what the OP meant is that the ~$32k 3-rotor RX-8 would be similarly equipped to the $27k base model RX-8, only with, well, another rotor (and maybe a number improved parts to decrease the weight a little as well).

Also, I'm guessing the idea of higher MPG comes from the fact that a larger engine would have more torque and be and be geared lower, so the RPMs would be much lower while cruising.

Is that about right?

I have a book that was given to me by my boss. He got it when he was a GM at a Mazda dealer. It is very cool and shows the process behind the development of the 8 along with some history of the rotary engine. In the book they stated that three rotor was looked at for the car. The reason they did not use it was an issue with heat. Suposedly with a middle rotor it would be very hard to control the heat. I know they have used this engine in race cars. Does anyone think that reason is bull s**t or is there something there? Maybe something as simple as reliability issues?

seeing as how we'd take a big hit on trade in... no. if there was a 3-rotor renesis in the first place, yes i would have bought it. how about a swap. ;)

I probably wouldn't...(=0(

Hah, that's what I thought when I read the question.

You're asking people if they would spend essentially the same amount of money for the same car w/ more power and better gas mileage. Uh, no duh the answer would be yes.

The OP said decent gas mileage (compared to 18/24), not necessarily better.

I just bought a 7 rotor RX-8 yesterday. 9,000hp and it weighs 30 pounds. Fits in my pocket untill I hit a button and then it opens up like a transformer. It goes faster than the Earth does and if you so much as press the gas, you go back in time.

Hell, why not make it 400hp and 2700lbs with 40mpg and the ability to cure cancer and stop world hunger for 22,000.

and able to link to the internet and use an AI script in the ECU to generate shit posts on another manufacturer's car forum

and able to link to the internet and use an AI script in the ECU to generate shit posts on another manufacturer's car forum

:nopity:

and able to link to the internet and use an AI script in the ECU to generate shit posts on another manufacturer's car forum


wow, somebodys a computer nerd :Eyecrazy:

If mazda builts a 3 rotor renesis rx-8 with at least 300 real hp and get decent gas milage for $30,000 to $32,000 would you buy it?Yeah, 0-60 in 5.9 sec isn't fast enough for me. :rolleyes:

Yeah. Too bad Chuck Norris has never cried.

Anyway, getting back on topic, I think what the OP meant is that the ~$32k 3-rotor RX-8 would be similarly equipped to the $27k base model RX-8, only with, well, another rotor (and maybe a number improved parts to decrease the weight a little as well).

Also, I'm guessing the idea of higher MPG comes from the fact that a larger engine would have more torque and be and be geared lower, so the RPMs would be much lower while cruising.

Is that about right?

That's about right :beer05:

I have a book that was given to me by my boss. He got it when he was a GM at a Mazda dealer. It is very cool and shows the process behind the development of the 8 along with some history of the rotary engine. In the book they stated that three rotor was looked at for the car. The reason they did not use it was an issue with heat. Suposedly with a middle rotor it would be very hard to control the heat. I know they have used this engine in race cars. Does anyone think that reason is bull s**t or is there something there? Maybe something as simple as reliability issues?

Im not familiar with 3 rotors having heating isues, I have not so far had any problem with my cosmo and its normally 96 to 104 here

Yeah, 0-60 in 5.9 sec isn't fast enough for me. :rolleyes:

For some people it isn't. In todays car market it's not anything out of the ordinary.

For some people it isn't. In todays car market it's not anything out of the ordinary.Bill Gates once said, "Nobody will ever need more than 640KB RAM." After a slight pause, he went on to say, "And nobody will ever need to go more than 45 mph. The Model T will be the pinnacle of automobile creation."


PS: Model T got about 10 mpg better economy than the RX-8

too bad it is impossible to have a 3 rotor ren...

If mazda builts a 3 rotor renesis rx-8 with at least 300 real hp and get decent gas milage for $30,000 to $32,000 would you buy it?

Umm, thats how much I bought the current rx8 for.

He's talking about base model. So add another 4k or so for your extras.

Considering the current car takes about 5-8k to get it up to 300 whp, it's a no brainer that many of us would.

too bad it is impossible to have a 3 rotor ren...

WHY?

WHY?

a new design, maybe.

but if you're talking about using 20b, forget it.

Why ? emission

a new design, maybe.

but if you're talking about using 20b, forget it.

Why ? emission

well I ask because you did say 3 rotor ren......

a 3 rotor renesis has to be a new desing, it is not only possible but it is more simple than many people think, the hardest part is tuning the intake and exhaust

but I do think mazda is going FI with the rx-8

well I ask because you did say 3 rotor ren......

a 3 rotor renesis has to be a new desing, it is not only possible but it is more simple than many people think, the hardest part is tuning the intake and exhaust

but I do think mazda is going FI with the rx-8


yea, they are going F/I with everything else.

WHY?

It would have to be a complete redo. If that is the case I don't think it would be a
Renesis anymore. Namely because of the intake and exaust ports the center rotor would starve.

If Mazda can't even handle two rotors in their engines how are they supposed to do 3?

what the hell do you mean they cant handle 2 rotors? please explain that to me?

What would better gas mileage mean?
22/28?
If so, with 300 whp?
If thats the case, you are saving about 20% in fuel costs which would be roughly $400 a year, figuring you fill up once a week.
The car would pay the extra cost off in 10 years...

Personally when im in the market, for an extra 4 g's, more power and 20% better mpg, Def

If Mazda can't even handle two rotors in their engines how are they supposed to do 3?

y with the trolling?

Haha, yea, I'm a major troll. Sorry, but when my engine failed at 5,600 miles and then they issue that big of a recall, why should I still support the car? If I am going to spend that kind of money on a car, I want it to do its sole purpose.

Sorry that you disagree with that. By the way, just because someone disagrees with you, that doesn't mean they are a troll. I thought this was a place to discuss cars, not make any excuse to why the RX-8 is the greatest car ever produced.

Don't be so sensitive when someone voices their opinion.

hey man sorry that you had a bad engine. i dont think the recall thing is that bad but who knows. i know you dont have to support the car and i know youre just messing around:)


by the way like your new car, especially with the fastest color of all.

Haha, yea, I'm a major troll. Sorry, but when my engine failed at 5,600 miles and then they issue that big of a recall, why should I still support the car? If I am going to spend that kind of money on a car, I want it to do its sole purpose.

Sorry that you disagree with that. By the way, just because someone disagrees with you, that doesn't mean they are a troll. I thought this was a place to discuss cars, not make any excuse to why the RX-8 is the greatest car ever produced.

Don't be so sensitive when someone voices their opinion.

OMG! This was the same statement I made about your lazyboy with wheels and got bashed for it. Hypocrits.

It would have to be a complete redo. If that is the case I don't think it would be a
Renesis anymore. Namely because of the intake and exaust ports the center rotor would starve.

not really, remember the 20b uses a larger center housing, look at the intake ports of a 20b mazda only needs to do samething similar for exhaust.

please remember this was a hypotetical cuestion, im sure mazda will take the easy way out ant turbo or supercharge a 4 port engine.

My only hopes for the possibilty of another production 3 rotor is because race teams need a current production engine to qualify for a series.

I'm sure mazda could figure out a new 3-rotor if they really wanted too. Its not like they didnt figure it out before.

um i bought a 2 rotor renesis for 33k???

um i bought a 2 rotor renesis for 33k???


that sucks?

I think mazda could do it, built a limitted production 3 rotor rx-8 10,000 or 20,000 units, base car, large brakes, stiff suspension, and some cosmetic shanges.

limitted warranty like 2 years or 25,000 miles.

um i bought a 2 rotor renesis for 33k???

now you can get one for $27,000 or less

HELL YA!! I WOULD! I WAS GONNA BUT DOWN A DEPOSIT ON THE NEW Z28, BUT IF THIS WILL HAPPEN!!! ooohhhh two awesome car, two awesome engines! even if the Z does have 100 more hp and gets better gas milage i may have to go with the 20b

tlovr out

you say that like either of those cars are approaching release or somethig.

well i know one will happen for sure in 2 1/2 long yrs, the camaro is being built in oshawa production starts in late 2008. a 20b in a production car! i would sooner get shot 7 times and live like 50cent. but are we not all speaking theoretically here?

Just a plain and simple YES.

OMG! This was the same statement I made about your lazyboy with wheels and got bashed for it. Hypocrits.

I don't think it was bashing as much as it was I didn't understand what you were saying. What is wrong with a seat that is really really comfortable and also holds you in place during spirited driving.

Personally, I would much rather have a comfortable seat that is good for racing as a uncomfortable seat that is good for racing.

Dude, just make a really good SUPERCHARGER KIT for the present RX-8 for $5,000 dollars OR LESS and can get you around 300 HP (basically get that puppy to do 5 second 0-60). Have Mazdaspeed endorse and give a warranty with and call it done.

I have no idea why Mazda has not thought of this before.

I don't see how it would be practical at this point to do a 3 rotor renesis without a re-design to pass emission laws and get decent gas mileage or a major intensive upgrade, costing major cash. Maybe for the "RX-9" in 2010, they will make a 3 rotor...

Dude, just make a really good SUPERCHARGER KIT for the present RX-8 for $5,000 dollars OR LESS and can get you around 300 HP (basically get that puppy to do 5 second 0-60). Have Mazdaspeed endorse and give a warranty with and call it done.

I have no idea why Mazda has not thought of this before.

I don't see how it would be practical at this point to do a 3 rotor renesis without a re-design to pass emission laws and get decent gas mileage or a major intensive upgrade, costing major cash.


My only hopes for the possibilty of another production 3 rotor is because race teams need a current production engine to qualify for a series.


Maybe for the "RX-9" in 2010, they will make a 3 rotor...

I am pretty sure that is pretty much the option we are discussing. But if I had to guess, I would say they will go back to calling it an rx7 before they call it an rx9

No.

I don't know what the gas mileage on a 3 rotor would be, but most likely, I wouldn't be happy with my monthly budget for gas.

Furthermore, I see the RX-8 as a street car, not a race car. It's fast enough for me for the U.S. roads. The current RX-8 has a great balance between civility and performance. I do not wish to upset that balance. I already feel hamstringed on the roads anyway with the enforcement going on. I feel that having more power is pretty useless unless you regularly take to the track. Plus if you get on that power thing, there's no end. There will always be another car out there faster than yours.

very informative

I have a book that was given to me by my boss. He got it when he was a GM at a Mazda dealer. It is very cool and shows the process behind the development of the 8 along with some history of the rotary engine. In the book they stated that three rotor was looked at for the car. The reason they did not use it was an issue with heat. Suposedly with a middle rotor it would be very hard to control the heat. I know they have used this engine in race cars. Does anyone think that reason is bull s**t or is there something there? Maybe something as simple as reliability issues?

I can see why it's actually more possible for a race car than a road car. A race car is going to be spending 95% of it's time hitting speeds of over 100 mph, ensuring it gets a ton of constant airflow. A road car on the other hand is potentially going to have to sit in traffic jams for who knows how long, at which time the engine is just sitting there baking. So heat could very well be a problem.

No.

I don't know what the gas mileage on a 3 rotor would be, but most likely, I wouldn't be happy with my monthly budget for gas.

Furthermore, I see the RX-8 as a street car, not a race car. It's fast enough for me for the U.S. roads. The current RX-8 has a great balance between civility and performance. I do not wish to upset that balance. I already feel hamstringed on the roads anyway with the enforcement going on. I feel that having more power is pretty useless unless you regularly take to the track. Plus if you get on that power thing, there's no end. There will always be another car out there faster than yours.


Yes but you are missing the "race car" argument. To qualify for severl classes of racing the race teams have to use motors that are currently in production. Thus they need mazda to put a 3 rotor in a current production car. The other teams are also just flat out running out of parts for the old 3rotors as they are not made and literally have to dig through salvage yards to get motors and parts. This could be a big influence for mazda. And if you think mazda isnt concerned with the racing teams, think again.

Plus with the market going the way it is and everything going bigger and more power a n/a 3 rotor is a logical step to making more power without adding the complexity and the maintinance costs of F/I to a showroom car.

...ain't gonna happen, so no use wank(l)ing

i would buy it don't care the mpg :rock: specialy with all this cars having more ponies they should realese it. some thing got to compete with the skyline

i would buy it don't care the mpg :rock: specialy with all this cars having more ponies they should realese it. some thing got to compete with the skyline


i hate to turn it into *that* thread but how bout a minvan with a big block?

no minivans for me, maybe if it had a 3rotor..... lol

Yes but you are missing the "race car" argument. To qualify for severl classes of racing the race teams have to use motors that are currently in production. Thus they need mazda to put a 3 rotor in a current production car. The other teams are also just flat out running out of parts for the old 3rotors as they are not made and literally have to dig through salvage yards to get motors and parts. This could be a big influence for mazda. And if you think mazda isnt concerned with the racing teams, think again.

Plus with the market going the way it is and everything going bigger and more power a n/a 3 rotor is a logical step to making more power without adding the complexity and the maintinance costs of F/I to a showroom car.


I agree with you. I'm all for asserting rotary superiority in racing, but I thought the question was, would I buy a 3 rotor renesis rx-8 for $30-$32k. The answer is still no.

I'm a weekend autocrosser, not a road racer, and I don't see any merit in drag racing, so I don't need a 400+ hp car.

Personally, I seem to get decent mileage, around 20-21 mpg, so that isn't an issue for me. It would be nice to get the advertised horsepower of 238, which should translate to around 210-215 at the rear tires for MT's. Of course, most 8's are waaaaaaaaay shy of that!

3 rotor option would be nice though and yes, I would buy it !

No.

I don't know what the gas mileage on a 3 rotor would be, but most likely, I wouldn't be happy with my monthly budget for gas.

Furthermore, I see the RX-8 as a street car, not a race car. It's fast enough for me for the U.S. roads. The current RX-8 has a great balance between civility and performance. I do not wish to upset that balance. I already feel hamstringed on the roads anyway with the enforcement going on. I feel that having more power is pretty useless unless you regularly take to the track. Plus if you get on that power thing, there's no end. There will always be another car out there faster than yours.

True that the want for more horsepower seems insatiable. But really, in my road course experience, a well-conceived upgraded suspension and ~300whp will make the RX-8 competitive with most anything on today's market.

I agree with you. I'm all for asserting rotary superiority in racing, but I thought the question was, would I buy a 3 rotor renesis rx-8 for $30-$32k. The answer is still no.

I'm a weekend autocrosser, not a road racer, and I don't see any merit in drag racing, so I don't need a 400+ hp car.


That is fine that you wouldnt buy it and you are happy with what you have. This thread has just gotten more into the....is it possible/will mazda actually do a 3rotor.

That is all I was responding too.

Edit: I went back and reread my post where I quoted you. I realize now what you meant with your flat 'No'. It was just a misinterpritation as to the question you were actually answering with that statement as it was just a bit unclear to me. :beer05:

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