Guys,

I have deleted the 'I' flash thread. I think I am wrong about that one. I had another look over the old flash threads and also got the Cal ID from my sCANalyser. I think the new flash I have is the 'H' flash, not the 'I' flash.

In the past, the flash ID has looked like:

N3J6-18881-E, or
N3J6-18881-G

The service guy wrote down my new flash as:

N3ZK-18881

....really helpful, thanks. I thought the '1' must have been an 'I'. Cal ID from my sCANalyser gave me this:

N3ZKE000013H6050

So it looks like an 'H' flash to me. How does this compare with guys who have the 'G' flash?

Of note, the N3J6 that seemed to be representative of Australian RX-8's seems to have been replaced with N3ZK.

Is that mean I have H flash too?????

CalID = N3J6EG00013H6050 :eek:

I have tested boyboydan's car and after the "E" it was an "F" so I think he was a F flash.

Gee I like wireless. I am sending this from my garage.

Wow - this is interesting. We need to know for sure how the numbering system works.

Hi Guys. I am taking my car in tomorrow for its 1000k service. Is the Flash upgrade something the service dept would just do? or should I ask for it?

I have had it for a month now so what flash rev' would you expect it to have?

Andrew

Take 2 :) .

20K service next week. I will quietly ask the service manager about this! Brighton this time, Taka.

Gomez.

Hi Guys. I am taking my car in tomorrow for its 1000k service. Is the Flash upgrade something the service dept would just do? or should I ask for it?

I have had it for a month now so what flash rev' would you expect it to have?

Andrew

There's no harm in asking the Service Manager if he's received any updates for your car. He should know if the dealership updated the software/firmware on your car prior to delivery. If they didn't and they have a new update now, asking nicely will put you up front on the grid!!

We don't have the situation here that the guys in the States have. Over there, Mazda are asking the dealers to update all cars prior to delivery, and are sending letters out to owners asking for them to bring their cars in. There are no service difficulties with the "G" flash that we're aware of, so I don't think the dealership is obliged to update cars as they see them. Unless something has changed recently.......

If you want the latest real bad, you could always pay for it!!!

Gomez.

The h flash feels slower than all the flashes... Like a dip in the power output.

Regards
phillip

The h flash feels slower than all the flashes... Like a dip in the power output.

Regards
phillip

So when did you get yours done?

What is the CalID?

Cheers,
Hymee.

The h flash feels slower than all the flashes... Like a dip in the power output.

Regards
phillip


Until i know excatly what the "H" flash does i will stick to "G" as i have no issues with my car , i certainly dont need for it to go slower :eek:

cheers
michael

Until i know excatly what the "H" flash does i will stick to "G" as i have no issues with my car , i certainly dont need for it to go slower :eek:

cheers
michael

My bet is they will do it for free next time you have a service ;)

Cheers,
Hymee.

Is that mean I have H flash too?????

CalID = N3J6EG00013H6050 :eek:

I have tested boyboydan's car and after the "E" it was an "F" so I think he was a F flash.

Gee I like wireless. I am sending this from my garage.

You have the "G" flash as it is the sixth digit

When the paperwork at the dealership has no suffix it is because it would be impossible for the warranty folks to keep up with the updates so they always use the base part number.

Thats what me thinks.. :D

P.S.

I sent you the wiring scans for the fan controls...

I suppose your e-mail is not a Yahoo.com?

Of note, the N3J6 that seemed to be representative of Australian RX-8's seems to have been replaced with N3ZK.

N3ZK....ZK is the prefix for Kiwi registered aircraft, as I'm sure you're aware!!

One good reason NOT to get this flash! Might be a Kiwi one......

My bet is they will do it for free next time you have a service ;)

Cheers,
Hymee.

My next service is not for another 8000km by then i hope to get some form of forced induction ;) i would think that once my car is tuned to a particular flash the last thing i want to do is get a re-flash and mess up my tuning .

Once the car has forced induction i wont be using Mazda for any servicing , not even a basic grease and oil change . :) Unless the forced induction comes approved from Mazda , and we know there is very little chance of that happening :p

cheers
michael

N3ZK....ZK is the prefix for Kiwi registered aircraft, as I'm sure you're aware!!

One good reason NOT to get this flash! Might be a Kiwi one......
Yes, that thought had already crossed my mind. Any Kiwi's out there know your Cal ID? Maestro?

Don't be so quick to bag out the new flash guys. My car doesn't feel any slower. I can't say if it's better or not because I didn't drive it in the 3 weeks before the reflash.

I can't imagine that this flash is worse than the last one. Why would they bother if that was the case?

Hey, I was just hanging it on the Kiwi's....I'm sure the flash is great!! :)

Well I am back from Max Kirwan with "the new flash". The guys had no idea what rev it was but they said there was one newer than the one I had (my car factory plated Dec 04). I am going to assume its the H flash...

My opinion is that it's definately better than what I had. MUCH smoother drive, much better low down (not that it is what i want, but it is better).

Andrew

All they needed to do is go to the "mode 9" data while the WDS was hooked to the car...

Thats it!!! I'll never use that dealership!!

Well I am back from Max Kirwan with "the new flash". The guys had no idea what rev it was but they said there was one newer than the one I had (my car factory plated Dec 04). I am going to assume its the H flash...

My opinion is that it's definately better than what I had. MUCH smoother drive, much better low down (not that it is what i want, but it is better).

Andrew

So you had it done as part of your normal service....for free??

I'm asking on Michael's behalf.... ;)

So you had it done as part of your normal service....for free??
Haha LOL

Only in Gold Coast that you have to pay for a new flash :p

They might make Lock pay extra not to have his car flashed ;)

Oh dear - to many inuendos when thinking about flashes (free or paid for) and Lock in the one sentence. Perhaps I'm just jealous my RX-8 has never generated an impromptu flash :eek:

Cheers,
Hymee.

Guys this should keep you happy .

cheers
michael

Ahh but I never said I _wanted_ to go to MK's but it was the first service and I thought it would be a little rich turning up to another dealership and asking them to do it :D

In actual fact I was VERY dissapointed in them as a dealership, but he is a friend of a friend so thought I was getting a good deal. :(

I bought my last car there as well (SP20) and the first service on that was the last time I went there...for a 1 hr service that was supposed to be ready at 3pm took 4 hrs and my wife left at 5:30pm with 2 kids who had missed a friends BDay.

OK enough of my Rant :eek:

Needless to say, I am happy with the new Flash. Takahashi did I read somewhere that you have whats needed to check what rev I am running?

Andrew

Takahashi did I read somewhere that you have whats needed to check what rev I am running?

He sure does. It is called the sCANalyser and one of many of it's amazing functions is the ability to tell you what the "Calibration ID" is of the software running in the engine management system.

/shameless plug :D

Cheers,
Hymee.

Sure you are ...

I should be employed as a publicist for your sCANalyser since I have been to Hong Kong and Macau with it and now going up to Sydney to show the Sydney boy this piece of art.

:D

Hymee...Can you explain the sCanalyser? Or is that not allowed (in the forum)?

Andrew

Ahamm.... The publicist speaks.... :)

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=39583

Explained. ;)

Are they any pricings yet?

andrew

I drove another 60km today with the H flash. I think it's pretty good. The car feels strong across the entire rev range.

When you get your car serviced, the dealership will hook it up to the WDS. If there is a newer update available, they will download it. You should not have to pay for it.

......unless your name is Michael ;)

Are they any pricings yet?

andrew
It is still under testing...

Hymee can feed you in for more. ;)

If you are in Melbourne Andrew, I can do testing ;)... since I want to test as many car as possible to see the difference and then to see how to use the data.

If you are in Sydney, I will be in town from Thursday to Sunday :D.

Yes I am absolutely free on Labour Day in Melbourne :p

Wildcard... is your still a "H" flash or it is a "ZK" flash (Kiwi flash) ;)... your CalID seems to have missed something between the first set of letters and the first set of numeral.

You see I have an G in that place --- so I think it is G flash. So does Gomez. Boyboydan has an F on his set of numbers.

Hymee what do you think? :confused:

I drove another 60km today with the H flash. I think it's pretty good. The car feels strong across the entire rev range.

.

Stronger than the previous G flash ,? because that already gave me increased power accross the entire rev range .

cheers
michael

It is still under testing...

If you are in Melbourne Andrew, I can do testing ;)... since I want to test as many car as possible to see the difference and then to see how to use the data.

Takahashi,

Yes, Physically I am in Melbourne, mentally I have no idea where I am at :D

If you are free Labour Day I would love to catch up (wanted to speak about your Unichip anyway). PM me and we can sort out details if you want.

Andrew

Wildcard... is your still a "H" flash or it is a "ZK" flash (Kiwi flash) ;)... your CalID seems to have missed something between the first set of letters and the first set of numeral.

You see I have an G in that place --- so I think it is G flash. So does Gomez. Boyboydan has an F on his set of numbers.
Yes, the CalID format is different, but that's what it says. It's not a typo! Taka you clearly have a G flash. Who knows what the new one is called. Perhaps I get to name it, like when someone discovers a comet. Lets call it the "wildcard flash". What do you all think? :D

L&L - I think it is a good flash. Not revolutionary, but solid. Worth getting at your next service, but not worth taking the day off work to get it done. If there is a performance improvement, I would only expect it realistically to be slight. There's probably a bit of a placebo effect going on too.

Wildcard Flash... I'm sure there is a line in that somewhere. :rolleyes:

I just can't think of one. :eek:

Cheers,
Hymee.

Well i guess i will have to use my charming ways :p to find out a bit more info about the latest flash .

cheers
michael

Gomez, might be little late for you but Brighton are advertising $50 off service costs via a coupon in the local free newspaper

Gomez, might be little late for you but Brighton are advertising $50 off service costs via a coupon in the local free newspaper

Actually , I rang them as they are the new preferred dealer for my lease company. They quoted me $380 for the 20K service....incl discount. I then rang City Mazda (who I bought the car off) and they quoted $280!!! Brighton have a "special" $100 hourly rate for the RX-8. City Mazda said "WTF?" when I told them that. About the only significant difference b'ween the 10K and the 20K is the pollen filter change.

Brighton can go to hell.

Gomez.

Had my 50k done yesterday. $155

Pity the WDS was down, no chance to check for the new flash :( SKC's car was there as well, proudly flashing its tips. But I guess it missed out as well.

I dunno what happened to any cars that showed a fault.

Cheers,
Hymee.

SKC's car was there as well, proudly flashing its tips. But I guess it missed out as well.

I dunno what happened to any cars that showed a fault.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Hymee
I had another fault in with the air bag. This time it was the passenger side seat air bag that needs replacing.

The new flash apparently caused the computer to crash. They must have rebooted the computer with the old flash to pick up my fault code. I am hoping they will have the new flash ready when I go in again.

Wow 50 000k, yours must have the highest mileage amongst the Australian RX8's.

skc

Any way to know the flash without taking it to the dealer? Is it listed in any documentation or ??

Never paid more than $170 for a service so far. That's 10K, 20K and 30K.

Any way to know the flash without taking it to the dealer? Is it listed in any documentation or ??

I'm pretty confident to say the only sure way is to interrogate the PCM via ODBII to get the CalID. To do that you need the WDS, or a scan-tool such as the sCANalyser.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Never paid more than $170 for a service so far. That's 10K, 20K and 30K.

That's excellent. I have to wonder if they actually changed the pollen filter for that kind of dough though......

Lookin for cheap cheap service at 20K in Sydney Metro.

Anyone spark a good deal?

Greetings All and especially Wildcard,

I would love to know where you got your services please ! And how much of the special Mazda oil did they charge you for ?

Ours is due for the 20,000km and is booked in with Gosford soon but it would be interesting to see what other Newcastle or Central coast dealers are offering.

Didn't even ask Gosford what their price is yet - can't possibly be worse than Sutherland !

Regards
Jeffneil

I get my car serviced at Regal Mazda in Newcastle. My 20K service was $162.00 plus $50 for 5L of Rotary oil (I ask to keep what they don't use). I think an oil change uses just over 4L of oil.

Surely the cost of the oil should be included in your service cost i paid $165.00 for my 30,000km service
that included 3.7 litres of rotary oil and recieved the rest in a container .

Any further development with your N flash ?

cheers
michael

I get my car serviced at Regal Mazda in Newcastle. My 20K service was $162.00 plus $50 for 5L of Rotary oil (I ask to keep what they don't use). I think an oil change uses just over 4L of oil.

Heck - I would have thought the 91RON Pioneer would be game enough to use the "normal shit the dealer puts in". :eek:

I always forget to stipulate when I get the services done, so I get the NSTDPI instead of the special pre-Renesis stuff. http://www.hymee.com/smilies/sm_poke.gif

Cheers,
Hymee.

I always forget to stipulate when I get the services done, so I get the NSTDPI instead of the special pre-Renesis stuff. http://www.hymee.com/smilies/sm_poke.gif

Cheers,
Hymee.[/QUOTE]

Hymee

What is this special ftuff you put in your car.

Please explain? :p

skc

skc, he's talking about Mazda's special non-synthetic 5w-30 Rotary Oil. Available from dealers only.

Yeah - The stuff they recommend for pre-renesis engines.

Cheers,
Hymee.

ok, I was thinking of switching as well.

At my last service they used the Castrol product even though the rotary oil was available.

skc

....oh no, another oil thread emerges..... aaaaaaaaaaggghh! :p

Bahahahahahaha!!!

Really, Hymee -- you should know better! I reckon as a mod, you should have the resty of the week on half posts... and sit in the corner posting ' I will not start another oil thread... I will not start another oil thread..." :D

Heck - I would have thought the 91RON Pioneer would be game enough to use the "normal shit the dealer puts in". :eek:
Well actually I did flirt with Castrol fully synthetic oil way back when, but that was mainly because it took Mazda a year to get us the proper stuff. Now I use it (the Mazda oil) because it costs the same. Enuff about oil though!

Oh it is your thread - you are allowed to hijack it ;)

Cheers,
Hymee.

Gomez...

Have you have a trip to Brighton Mazda yet? and if yes, any findings?

Taka, read post 38 of this thread.....Hymee, take control of this rabble!!!! ROFL!

Oh i c. You did not get to Brighton at all. I thought you will go there and ask for info about the new flash.

Did you get a new flash from City Mazda then? Maybe you did n't :rolleyes:

I'm due for a 20k service tomorrow at Artarmon Mazda (NSW) so I will see what happens about the flash then.

Not expecting much, last time I got a service there they didn't even give me the G flash even though it had been out for months...I ended up getting it for free up in QLD as part of my clogged catalytic converter saga.

Warning....On topic.

Got the new flash with my 20k service. Doesn't seem to burble anywhere near as much as before on the overrun. We'll see how it goes over the next few days....colder mornings, etc. Drive impressions feel the same as the "F" same as the "G"...

Taka, bring Hymee's whosawhatsit over and we'll check the flash ID tonight.

I've often wondered what causes the burble. I heard something about the leading and trailing spark "swapping" over at idle or something like that. I also notice the spark advance is very erratic depending on throttle / movements.

It would be interesting to see if there was a different behavious in the spark advance logged between Gomez's "new" flash, and the the "G" in Taka's. The hard thing is to isolate the driving behaviour, and then reproduce it on both cars.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Got my car back from Artarmon Mazda and they confirmed that an ECU upgrade was performed. Of course they could not tell me the revision though, I received a blank stare.
Havent driven it enough yet to tell any difference. I hope I have not lost the Hymee burble!!

OT-
I'd love to get my car serviced up in Bris with your dealer hymee - my 20k service cost ~$350 . Holy crap I have just re-read this thread and there are wildly varying 20k service charges. How can they get away with charging double that of other dealers.

Heres my full breakdown FYI:
labour 177
parts 83 (oil, filter, sump plug)
fluids 42 (fuel cleaner, brake cleaner, rad/brake fluid)
enviro levy 15
GST 31

And I didn't even get a pollen filter change...<sob>

MUZZ

Cost of car servicing seems to be related to area of dealership and cost of their outgoings , but $350.00 :eek: for a 20,000 km service seems absurd when i paid around $158 .00 here on the sunny Goldcoast .

Feel sorry for the city slickers living the vida loca in the big smoke ;)

cheers
michael

That makes for an expensive oil filter and sump plug and oil!

What is the bet that the enviro levy is $10 each and they charged you for 1.5 of them? I got charged for 1.5 workshop consumables one time!

Cheers,
Hymee.

Muzz, your post gave me a good idea. I've started a new thread for scheduled servicing costs/comments.

It would be interesting to see if there was a different behavious in the spark advance logged between Gomez's "new" flash, and the the "G" in Taka's. The hard thing is to isolate the driving behaviour, and then reproduce it on both cars.

That gave us something to do this Sunday (even better on Friday night, or Sat night if you are free 'Mez ~ I will be at Balwyn). Two RP shifter, one driver, with only diff being G and H flash. If you are available Gomez, we can present the result on Sunday's meet. Take only 20 min of our time... what do you think?

Make it a sticky!

Got my car back from Artarmon Mazda and they confirmed that an ECU upgrade was performed. Of course they could not tell me the revision though, I received a blank stare.
Havent driven it enough yet to tell any difference. I hope I have not lost the Hymee burble!!

OT-
I'd love to get my car serviced up in Bris with your dealer hymee - my 20k service cost ~$350 . Holy crap I have just re-read this thread and there are wildly varying 20k service charges. How can they get away with charging double that of other dealers.

Heres my full breakdown FYI:
labour 177
parts 83 (oil, filter, sump plug)
fluids 42 (fuel cleaner, brake cleaner, rad/brake fluid)
enviro levy 15
GST 31

And I didn't even get a pollen filter change...<sob>


Artarmon mazda always overcharges, and add stuff in there that you don't want. When my company was footing the bill for my servicing, i used to tell the service guy NOT to change the windscreen wipers nor fill the washer tank etc... but they always did it and charged me for it. Put it in writing once and it still got done.

I'm up for my 1k service soon. Taking it to John Newell. Will see if they re-flash my 8. Shall I ask for the "Wildcard flash" ? :P

My 8's in service now. Has been for a few days. Took a look this morning and virtually all my interior was sitting outside the car :eek: And all just for the reflash... just kidding!

They are actually trying to chase down all the rattles and find out why it feels & sounds like a 10 year old Daewoo.

Hopefully tonight when I pick it up it will be reflashed and rattle free :confused:

Fingers crossed.

Taka checked my new flash. I've got the "Kiwi" flash now. I notice it still does the needle sweep...

Yes and mine reported a "J"?

Andrew

This is what I have today

Auzoom
CalID N3J6EJ00013H6050
CVN 2A 31 DA 0F

Gomez
CalID N3ZKE000013H6050
CVN 05 89 16 61

ILUV48
CalID N3ZKE000013H6050
CVN 05 89 16 61

Andrew, PM me with your email address and I will email you with the logged data in Excel file.

Interesting. We always thought (from some US advice) that the 6th digit was the "version" number. But I suppose with that many digits it was always gunna be a bit more complex than that simplification.

So I guess we need to christen it. Gomez gets the bananas for it. The "Kiwi" flash. That is because the box it is in is all black.

And if anyone has a go at me about political correctness (references to race and religion) you can go and get... umm... flashed. :o

Cheers,
Hymee.

What do you guys think of this new flash. I would like to know if I am going bonkers.

It does not seem any faster/slower to me, but it does feel a lot smoother right through the rev range.

And I swear that the car is now quieter through the hymee exhaust - not much, but noticeable. I still have the burble though, phew. Am I dreaming?

Oh yeah - and I still have a rough idle, right after servicing. Does everyone else? It is quite uneven.

Does the idle smooth out a bit if you turn the A/C off? Or even lift the RPM a little?

That is what mine is like, and I'm still on G.

Cheers,
Hymee.

I noticed after my 10k service that the idle is now rough, before the service it was ok, they seam to have dropped the revs on idle.

What do you guys think of this new flash. I would like to know if I am going bonkers.

It does not seem any faster/slower to me, but it does feel a lot smoother right through the rev range.

And I swear that the car is now quieter through the hymee exhaust - not much, but noticeable. I still have the burble though, phew. Am I dreaming?

Oh yeah - and I still have a rough idle, right after servicing. Does everyone else? It is quite uneven.

The ONLY difference I have noticed, is a reduced tendency to pop on the overrun.....so I'd say this "Kiwi" flash is a little leaner. Idle is as per the "G" flash. No economy figures yet...let you know next week.

Gomez.

No economy figures yet...let you know next week.

Gomez.

I have done a tank now of normal driving & I would say the economy is much the same. Maybe just slighlty better but not by much.

AC??? I never turn that power sucking device on :)

Yes it does smooth out if I lift the revs a bit, always seemed to me like it was idling about 100rpm too low. Ah well must be normal!

Any updates on the new flash ??

cheers
michael

I guess no news is better than bad news :eek:

cheers
michael

No news is good news

Got my new air bag and flash done today.

Initial impressions of the flash is positive. When I floored it I found myself changing before the buzzer sounded when going from 1st to 2nd where as before I would change around 9k.

Does this mean more power at lower revs???

More testing required :D

Regards

skc

So far I have done nearly 300km since filling up. The needle on the fuel gauge has just touched the half tank mark!!! :D and I was not driving the car like an old granny either.

This new flash is giving me a lot better fuel economy. :)

skc

McGrath liverpool said there were no flashes avaliable...
This was 2 weeks ago.

That's awesome skc, are you doing lots of highway?

Fuel economy is just the same for me. But I have noticed the ABS clink at the start is no longer there.

I have another observation for the new flash and I am wondering if anyone else has noticed this:

I think they have played with the DSC programming. I find that I am getting a lot less DSC lights than I used to with the old flash. More-over, several times I have experienced oversteer in the wet and have manaully corrected it without any DSC intervention what-so-ever. In the past I would have always had the DSC cut the power, or at the very least seen a "delayed" DSC light after the event. These seem to have disappeared. I also lost traction taking off from the lights the other day and once again no DSC to prevent wheelspin.

Anyone else noticed the DSC activating less than before?

I wonder if these aparrent DSC things affect the susecptibility to throw the ABS/DSC light on the chassis dyno :)

Cheers,
Hymee.

That's awesome skc, are you doing lots of highway?

Fuel economy is just the same for me. But I have noticed the ABS clink at the start is no longer there.


I drove to Kirra Beach on the Gold Coast for a few nights holiday in peak hour last friday. So technically I was driving on the freeway however most part was frustrating and slow going.

I hate slow drivers on the fast lane and I was constantly changing lanes from the far left to the far right to maintain my speed once the traffic had thinned out.

Coming back was good on Monday afternoon. I sat on 120 for most of the way with the occassional spurts above that speed. The tacho for most of the trip was close to the 4k rpm. I understand fuel consumption is high once you go past 3500.

I also noticed an increased tendancy to wheen spin without DSC intervention.

Regards

skc

So far there seems to be some positive reports on this new flash. I have not done it yet. Sco and I would like to do some logging before/after with the sCANalyser and see if there is any obvious trends.

That thing about "Fuel Consumption is high beyond 3500 RPM" is in reference to SDAIS and the aux injectors. This is only in WOT type of conditions. At cruising conditions in "closed loop" operation (fairly light throttle), the air flow into the engine, hence the fuel used is basically proportional to the engine RPM. (Not counting the increased drag when going faster).

Cheers,
Hymee.

Some great info on this thread. My service guy better have somewhere to sit down when I next bring the car in - it's gonna take a while. ;)

More driving in the wet over the last couple of days. DSC is definately less intrusive than before. It used to let you get away with just about anything, but not any more! Twice now I have had to manually correct oversteer with DSC no where to be seen.

Could it be that your new tyres Nankangs are not as grippy in the wet as you thought , i doubt that they would have changed the DSC settings .

The Hymster said he was going to check on a comparisum of his ride with the G flash to SCO CAR WITH THE H FLASH ON HIS S canaliser to see the differences in their rides .

cheers
michael

I haven't noticed any change for the better with the fuel economy.

We will only be able to check some engine managenemt things, such as timing and AFRs. We won't be able to check DSC - it is nothing to do with ODBII.

I would be surprised if the functionality of the DSC was dependant on a certain level of grip. It is just reacting to the loss of grip, based on yaw rates etc.

It would be interesting to get a commant from Mazda to see if there is any difference in the DSC thresholds between the old and the new calibrations.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Brand of tyre & grip makes no difference. DSC is triggered when it senses understeer, oversteer, or a loss of traction. What got the car into this situation is irrelevant as far as the DSC is concerned. It will kick in as soon as the car goes outside the DSC threshold. The ECU can't tell if the road is wet or not, it only knows that somehow you got yourself sideways, and it's job is to correct it.

Guys heres a good site on DSC / ESC .

http://www.esceducation.org/about_esc/esc_equipped_vehicles.shtml

I will ring the Mazda Teck division on monday and ask if the new flash has POSSIBLY changed the settings of the DSC ;)

cheers
michael

My car isn't flashed yet and probably won't be until May. I'm going to do some "before" analysis and some "after" analysis on the fuel map and acceleration and see if I can spot any differences.

Edit: When I said "fuel map" I meant that I'll be looking at at the Wideband O2 readings and a bunch of other parameters to take a guess at the fuel map.

Brand of tyre & grip makes no difference. DSC is triggered when it senses understeer, oversteer, or a loss of traction. What got the car into this situation is irrelevant as far as the DSC is concerned. It will kick in as soon as the car goes outside the DSC threshold. The ECU can't tell if the road is wet or not, it only knows that somehow you got yourself sideways, and it's job is to correct it.


^^^^^^^^^ Yeah - what he said ;) I think that is what I was trying to say, but better put.

Cheers,
Hymee.

My car isn't flashed yet and probably won't be until May. I'm going to do some "before" analysis and some "after" analysis on the fuel map and acceleration and see if I can spot any differences.

Edit: When I said "fuel map" I meant that I'll be looking at at the Wideband O2 readings and a bunch of other parameters to take a guess at the fuel map.


Hopefully by May you will be testing a RX8 with a Twin Screw Supercharger that the Hymster and Dr Phil are still .......................... working on ;) and not merely a fuel map.

cheers
michael

Cortc

Posted his observations on their N flash in the US , could be similar to our H flash ??

Had my car flashed on Saturday to N from M...

I was with the tech when he did the flash and there where a few things listed under what it fixes/adjusts on the computer...

1) Idle is very smooth now
2) Better throttle response in lower RPMs
3) Smoother power delivery
4) A slight change in the sound under load at lower RPMs
5) A bit more power in the low RPMs

Looks like they may be getting it right...

My car is over a year old and has had the 1K and 10K services with no re-flash (as far as I can tell).

Am I right in assuming it is two or more editions behind the currently available update?

If so, can you jump straight to the newest one or do you need to run the car for a period with each intervening update?

I hope that makes sense to someone.

AFAIK Flashes don't need to be upgraded i.e. you can put a G flash on top of an E or F flash.

If you have no flashes, your original flash version will be on a sticker on your PCM

Yep, I don't think it's like a windows update. The new flash replaces the previous flash entirely.

Edit: I went straight from 'D' to 'G'. I skipped 'E'.

We keep calling it a H flash... but there is no H in the CalID guys :rolleyes:

We keep calling it a H flash... but there is no H in the CalID guys :rolleyes:

Maybe they named the flash H after the Hymster LOL :D
cheers
michael

If you have no flashes, your original flash version will be on a sticker on your PCM

Sorry to sound dumb but the brain isn't translating PCM for me. :confused:

Please explain.

My brain has no idea where to find a PCM.. :confused:

Powertrain Control Module - the engine computer. Sorry for the TLA :mad: ;)

It's on the right hand side of your engine bay with a plastic cover on it - there will probably be a sticker on it with the version number - something like N3J6-18881-E (where "E" is the flash version).

I thought we agreed to call it the Wildcard flash, after it's discoverer! :)

Yeah - we did. In honour of your services :)

Cheers,
Hymee.

Ok I've searched and searched and apparently didn't search hard enough and got sick of searching.

I'm looking for the thread that will show me how to tell what flash I have. Just brought the car back from the dealer after they say they flashed it. How do I tell.
This is what was on my invoice:

Customer Reports: RECALL- MSP04 ENGINE NO START, LACK OF POWER
Work performed by Paul ****
PERFORMED RECALL MSP04
XX658XRX 0.3

Can anyone help me out?

Thanks,
Brian

Get a sCANalyser, and it tells you. ;)

Oops - we better hurry up and release it. :D

Cheers,
Hymee.

That's pretty much the only way to read it yourself. Otherwise you have to ask the dealer.

It should start with something like N3ZKE0...... or N3J618.....

Ok thanks for the info, I'll call them up.