got a question about washing/ waxing, just ask, ill try to help you out =)

I have a question *raises hand*

I've been reading up on the site about removing scratches but there are so many answers that I've read, here's my situation.....

I bought my car used, and the owner took great car of it, but not as anal as you or me when it comes to washing. It looks like he used a regular rag or maybe even a brush on the car and there are light scratches over the entire car in the clear coat. I just claybarred and NXT waxed the car and the difference is night and day...looking at it from most angles the finish is mirrorlike. However, when you get that right angle at night with light you can see the swirls. Now they arent the light swirl marks that would come from a buffer...they are swirls like a dirty washmit or a brush would leave. I want a GLASS finish on my car and have thought about taking it to a professional...but if I can do it myself I'd be a lot happier. I'm aware of the different compounds, but what would work best, and what are the steps for polishes and sealants. I usually jsut wash and wax. What do you recommend?

I guess DevilZero didn't have the answer to that one :rolleyes:

First, the easy answer on polishes and sealants. The order of operations is polish first, wax second. Polishing preps the paint for the wax and enhances the shine from underneat the wax. Here (http://www.bettercarcare.com/articles.php?articleId=17) is a great article on polishing.

Second, on to your particular issue... It sounds like the scratches on your car are pretty profound, so it will likely take more effort to fix it than a manually-applied waxing. NXT supposedly doesn't have any abrasives or cleaning agents, so it won't diminish those scratches significantly. The night/day results you are seeing are probably because a) the claybar really smoothed out your paint surface, removing any contaminants, and b) the glossiness from the NXT may detract somewhat from the scratches by making the entire paint surface relfect light as well as the scratches themselves. The NXT doesn't buff away the scratches, though, so, as you mentioned, you will still be able to see them from different angles.

That being the case, you will need to look into rubbing compounds and other swirl-mark removers (SMR) to do the job, and even then, in order to allow the abrasives to work aggressively enough and buff out the sharp edges of the scratches, you'll need an orbital buffer to work the compound into the paint. I'd be careful, though, because you can create more scratches doing that. Best to go to a professional, if you ask me.

BTW, a brush is not necessarily a bad thing to use for washing. There are hogshair-bristle brushes especially made for car washing. They lift dirt/grit away from the surface which is supposed to minimize scratches and swirls.

www.autopia.org

First off, buy yourself a Porter Cable 7336 from Lowes ($99). Then buy a velcro backing plate and a pad set (see autopia ). Then you will probably need something stronger than a swirl remover as it is not very abrasive and probably won't remove the scratches completely. I would recommend something in the 5's on this abrasive list: http://autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36208

Now you will want to use a polishing pad with that #5 abrasive polish on a 2x2 section of the car with the porter cable (it is virtually impossible to damage your paint with this tool unless you drop it on the paint). Apply a small amount of polish in a circle about 2 inches from the edge of the pad. Rub the polish onto the paint and then turn on the PC and up the speed to 5. Now start at the top left and work left to right, right to left until you reach the bottom right corner of your 2x2 area. Now work it up and down all the way back to your starting point. You should apply enough pressure to make the PC bog down a bit, then ease up just a hair. If the polish begins to produce dust (drying up), then you should add a little more. Now you will probably need to follow this up with a #3 on the abrasive list with a polishing pad. Work the same routine on the 2x2 section and check your results. If its what you are looking for, then apply your NXT and your all set. If you still have visable scratches, use a cutting pad with the abrasive polish and work to more abrasive polishes until you get the results you are looking for.

Autopia is a great site for detailing and maintaining a mirror like finish. I'm anal about my car and I've spent hours reading up all I could. I figured maybe I can help someone else with what I've learned.

Good luck!

Wanna come wax my car for me?

porter cable can be purchased at lowes? i didnt know that! =) does it really do a better job compared to manual waxing?

oops, i didnt know ppl still replied to this post =) sorry guys, MarkD and i pretty much have the same ideas on car care =)

The Porter Cable can be bought at lowes yes. It makes a HUGE difference. Basically it does what your hands would do but at 50 times the speed.

oops, i didnt know ppl still replied to this post =) sorry guys, MarkD and i pretty much have the same ideas on car care =)

BTW, thanks, DevilZero, for turning me on to Meg's #16 (I think that's what we talked about a while back)! I can't remember if you said yours came as a liquid wax; mine came as a paste wax (and they didn't sell it at the Pep Boys here). Great durability and awesome shine. I love that stuff!

QUESTION! there are those ANNOYING cracks in the 8 (like the side view mirror dripping, the rear window cracks, the passenger window, and when u open the door and close it, water just keeps coming on to the 8 after the wash) that keeps leaking after a wash. any way to avoid drying it for hours!?

Simple--After you've washed your car, towel/chamois it down as best you can. Then take it for a ten-minute drive going at least a moderate speed (I drive on the interstate and then turn around a few exits down). The wind will blow the excess water out of those crevices. Just do your best to stay away from exhaust-billowing cars and road debris so no dirt or contaminants stick to your paint, as you will have to do a quick towel down before you walk back into the house :)

Some people also use leaf blowers to dry their cars. That would be something else to consider. I've never done that, though, so I can't tell you what to look for. Maybe someone else can chime in...

http://www.detailplus.com/air_wand.htm ;)

I've heard great things about Zaino, but I read their website and I don't have the time that the product requires "for maximum benefit." Is there anything out there that can be used in about one hour, start to finish? And is it best to wax in the shade?

Best to wax in the shade or on a overcast day yes. Meguiar's NXT TECH Generation is the best I have used.

Best to wax in the shade or on a overcast day yes. Meguiar's NXT TECH Generation is the best I have used.

i'll second that...and the price isn't bad either..

Third that. use the liquid NXT. Its about 14 bucks at your local walmart. Goes on easy and comes off easy. 1 hour no prob.

Fourth that... although I'm thinking about experimenting with the EO Nano Wax with my next bottle to see how it looks and holds. I'll keep you guys posted, though I haven't so far heard of it being as good as NXT.

QUESTION! there are those ANNOYING cracks in the 8 (like the side view mirror dripping, the rear window cracks, the passenger window, and when u open the door and close it, water just keeps coming on to the 8 after the wash) that keeps leaking after a wash. any way to avoid drying it for hours!?


for the black trim on the car, use STONER Trim Shine, it is a spray on product, it works like magic!! you can get them at Pep Boys

polish b4 NXT is the BEST!

I've heard great things about Zaino, but I read their website and I don't have the time that the product requires "for maximum benefit." Is there anything out there that can be used in about one hour, start to finish? And is it best to wax in the shade?

You can wax the RX-8 with Zymol in an hour. The real carnauba wax, not the liquid stuff. Leaves a great deep finish and no problem with residue.

What is your preffered wax?

got a question about washing/ waxing, just ask, ill try to help you out =)

Please recommend a good vaccum cleaner for cars. Floor mats, seats. etc.

Dude go to Home Depot/Lowes and get one of those mini shop vacs, like 1/2 gallon size, they are awesome.

What is your preffered wax?

Pinnacle Souveran hands down for a finishing wax that is unbeatable for dark cars in shine, depth, and durability. It also runs about 75 bones for a can...

Wow, where do you get it?

http://www.autopia-carcare.com/pin-312.html

Dude, Jenkins, did you just make like 200 posts in the last 24 hours? Your post count was below mine just last night!

Sweet thanks for the link!

I made a few :D

Zymol is the best natural wax that is readily available. Order at zymol.com. Carbon will do for most applications. Higher wax content than anything else, once you get used to using it, no problem. Any paste wax is harder to work with than a cream, but the result is night and day. If you are going to use a paste, you might as well buy the best and trash your supply of meguiars.

Pinnacle Souveran hands down for a finishing wax that is unbeatable for dark cars in shine, depth, and durability. It also runs about 75 bones for a can...

Try Zymol Concourse @$150. Comming from a guy who owns a black car, and a detail shop and has prepared many award winning show cars (Good Guy Nationals, Pebble Beach) I'd say its beatable.

Thanks, I'll look into this Zymol. Learn something new every day...

Actually, I found 1 wax that was over a grand but they custom blend it for your paint...

RotaryNoob--I just found this thread and read your post from a week ago about using the PC. I've read a lot about it on this and other forums and have been intrigued about it. Your very clear and specific instructions boost my confidence. Got to get one!!

Glad to be of service

AUTOPIA.COM

your solution.. for everything! ;)

lol, i dont know about Zymol, i havent tried it b4, i was curoius of how good that would look......hmmmm pix? i just washed my CAR tonight in OC its about 57 degreez and i was all wet. and i also clayed it and NxT'd it! hardcore? i dont think so! its been raining mad here in Oc and i had alot of crap on my paint, does anyone know how to take off water mildew on the windows>? i think it was the rain that caused it......

AUTOPIA.COM

your solution.. for everything! ;)

I think you mean autopia.org but yeah, I also mentioned that on the first page...

Okay, I have a question about a product called Commodore Coatings Millennium Paint Sealant.

Website is here. (http://commodorecoatings.com/PAINT.htm)

What do you think? And what do you make of their claim that you don't need to wax, just apply the renewer every spring and fall. But my major concern is, what happens if I just use regular wax over this?

Okay, I have a question about a product called Commodore Coatings Millennium Paint Sealant.

Website is here. (http://commodorecoatings.com/PAINT.htm)

What do you think? And what do you make of their claim that you don't need to wax, just apply the renewer every spring and fall. But my major concern is, what happens if I just use regular wax over this?


the techs at maguires said that sealants arent really good for new paints. they said that it causes the paint to loose the oils it needs...... to me, it makes sense, your sealing up the paint , nothing in nothing out......

That's interesting, considering NXT is a sealant.

Don't buy Commodore. I looked into it a few months ago because someone here several months ago had the same curiosity. When I did a search at Autopia, the product turned out to be mostly a scam; at best, a waste of money.

Thanks for the advice, folks.
Problem is, I already bought it, in a moment of stupidity that I now regret.

Should I just forget the renewer and go with a wax like Zaino?

Oh, well since you already bought it, give it a shot! It won't hurt your paint, from what I've read. If it doesn't please you, just top it with something else, like Zaino or NXT. I'd actually be interested to see how it looks and if it works. Maybe coat half of your hood with Commodores and the other half with something else. And post pics of your results! :)

that whould be nice to see =D

I'm thinking I'll try their renewer in late April/early May. Maybe with some Zaino or NXT for comparison. I'll post pics if I can figure out how.

I broke down and bought a bottle of EO Nano Wax last week. I'll post a comparison pic with NXT and maybe with the Meg's #16. I can't do it now because it's been raining and I think it's best to apply a second coat before making an objective comparison, but hopefully the skies will clear up soon and I can post pics after this weekend.

do NANO w/ polish and the same to the NXT

I'm picking it up tomorrow. This is my first new car since I bought my 1987 Camry, which didn't have a clear coat (and still doesn't).

What do I do with a new car? The old ones, they said, shouldn't be waxed till the paint set. I imagine that with a 2004 that wouldn't be the case, even without a clear coat.

So, do I wax it or leave it? The dealer should have it waxed, I imagine. I'm also getting a couple of coupons for detailing, which I assume is for later on.

If I do wax it, what do I use? Classic Car Wax doesn't seem to be the popular choice anymore. What's best for black? I've seen different opinions here, and it's a little confusing getting back into the game after almost 20 years.

I bought my 04 black 8 4 months ago and the worst mistake I made was letting the dealer wash the car. It came home with more swirls than my last car that was 5 years old.

First thing you should do is clay the car to remove all the crap from transport and sitting until you got it.

Next, if the finish is swirl free and looks relatively good, I would apply 2 coats of Meguiars NXT tech wax. That shouldn't take very long and should make it shine very nicely. You'll just have to apply the NXT about once a month to keep it looking nice.

Good luck!

Thanks for the advice. I'll pick up some Meguiar's. But, can I buy the clay in a store or do I have to mail order by Internet?

you can go to a pepboys and get the clay bar by mothers =) i think the best way to blay is using water! =) & a hose

It's cheaper to get the clay at K-Mart, if they have it (be sure to check the boxes if they do, though, as people tend to steal the clay and re-seal the box). It's only $10 at K-Mart (Meg's) while it's closer to $20 at Pep Boys (Mother's).

Also, it's fine to polish/wax your new car. Just make sure the paint surface is perfectly clean and dirt-free and that you use proper technique. That should minimize swirl marks.

okay, who knows how to fill in key marks!!!!!!! i got keyed, i can see the black part of the metal....good thing its only 3/4" long

Ouch! XXDevil, I would take it to a professional detailed and have them buff it out. A friend of mine just purchased a black Tahoe that was full of swirl marks caused by the dealer. He had a detailing shop polish/wax it with their PC and no more swirl marks. Your key mark is deeper than a swirl mark, so you won't be able to remedy it with something like Scratch-X or a rubbing compound that you hand apply. And if the SMR is too aggressive, you may end up marring the paint even more.

Another suggestion I haven't done before--maybe you could fill in the scratch with touch-up paint?

Yeah, you won't be able to buff it out if its all the way down to the metal... Best bet is touchup paint. See the "rock chip" thread above.

oh man, does that really work?