I know there are probably quite a few people out there who have a gutted cat like I do...This can get pretty annoying when the time comes to have your inspection renewed...Thankfully, there is a very simple way around it, and should allow your inspeciton to pass.

Steps:

1.) Disconnect your negative battery terminal for about 20 minutes


2.) When you reconnect it, start your car, make sure your CEL is gone, and drive around for 15-20 miles (do NOT exceed 20 miles)...Make sure by the time you reach your 20th mile, you are pulling into an inspection shop.


3.) Drive to your preferred inspection shop, and ask them to run the inspection under "training mode."

**If you actually know the people at the shop (maybe not well, but enough for them to recognize you), then the process will be much easier...Simply explain the situation to them, most of the time they'll understand...If they aren't willing to run the training mode for free, or do it at all, go to another place.


4.) If the training mode passes, have them run the real test asap!




This worked perfectly for me...Hopefully it does for some of you too.

Ill have to try it.

whats a training mode? Will they know what this is?

The training mode is what they teach their employees on when they're practicing...I had mine done at valvoline...you should try them if you have one close to you.

How is that you can justify talking about this subject as if it isn't illegal? Are you suggesting that we all just say the Hell with state and federal regulations? Personally, I'd like to know if you educated yourself on what a catalytic converter does before you took it out. Did you?

I know there are probably quite a few people out there who have a gutted cat like I do...This can get pretty annoying when the time comes to have your inspection renewed...Thankfully, there is a very simple way around it, and should allow your inspeciton to pass.

Steps:

1.) Disconnect your negative battery terminal for about 20 minutes


2.) When you reconnect it, start your car, make sure your CEL is gone, and drive around for 15-20 miles (do NOT exceed 20 miles)...Make sure by the time you reach your 20th mile, you are pulling into an inspection shop.


3.) Drive to your preferred inspection shop, and ask them to run the inspection under "training mode."

**If you actually know the people at the shop (maybe not well, but enough for them to recognize you), then the process will be much easier...Simply explain the situation to them, most of the time they'll understand...If they aren't willing to run the training mode for free, or do it at all, go to another place.


4.) If the training mode passes, have them run the real test asap!




This worked perfectly for me...Hopefully it does for some of you too.

I'm fully aware of what a catalytic converter does...But, seeing as my first engine blew because of my cat, to me, it isn't worth the risk of having one...I'm sure many here feel the same...Plus, in some states, inspection isn't even required...If you dislike this thread, ignore it.

On another note, please don't tell me you're an environmentalist driving an rx8...That would be hilarious.

^ lol

^lol x 2

Something to consider

A Catalytic converter is made up of platinum a precious metal. Typically mined deep underground. In 2006 the two largest producers of Platinum where South Africa and Russia (both of which I'm sure are known for their Environmental policies).
http://www.metalseconomics.com/pdf/S...inumSupply.pdf

Note: Palladium and rhodium are also used but I don't have time right now to investigate those guys.

This all takes a tremendous amount of energy just to mine. The power is likely generated by coal or diesel (onsite gen-set).

Remember the location we are mining this stuff. Next is the processing of the raw ore which requires massive crushers consuming massive power to reduce the ore to a size where the precious metal can be extracted, often by the use of nasty chemicals.

Then we transport the raw material to the mill. The mill turns it in to something useful for company looking for that precious metal, in the case of platinum I'm guessing some sort of billet.

Then its transported again to make the manufacture of the catalytic convertor which is then transported to the car manufacture which then transports the car to your dealer.

I couldn't find a suitable web page showing the Global producers of Catalytic converters. (I bet its not North America)

Then we have to recycle these things. I don't know how that is done.

To bring this back to my point, it seems to me like we have made a device that helps our "air" at the expense of many environmental impacts of other peoples.
(Not in my backyard sort of thing)

You might say that if you had the option NOT to buy a catalytic convertor when you purchased your vehicle that you are causing air pollution ... but you are saving a planet. <scratch head ponder> mmmMmmmm Oo


I find this stuff fascinating to consider and that's just what I'm doing.
So all you tree huggers out there don't get your panties in knot.

Quoted from the book of knowledge -> wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalytic_converter
/quote
Environmental impact
Catalytic converters have proven to be reliable and effective in reducing noxious tailpipe emissions. However, they may have some adverse environmental impacts in use:
The requirement for an internal combustion engine equipped with a three-way catalyst to run at the stoichiometric point means it is less efficient than if it were operated lean. Thus, there is an increases the amount of fossil fuel consumed and the carbon-dioxide emissions from the vehicle. However, NOx control on lean-burn engines is problematic and requires special lean NOx catalysts to meet U.S. emissions regulations.[citation needed]
Although catalytic converters are effective at removing hydrocarbons and other harmful emissions, they do not solve the fundamental problem created by burning a fossil fuel. In addition to water, the main combustion product in exhaust gas leaving the engine — through a catalytic converter or not — is carbon dioxide (CO2).[16] Carbon dioxide produced from fossil fuels is one of the greenhouse gases indicated by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) to be a "most likely" cause of global warming.[17] Additionally, the U.S. EPA has stated catalytic converters are a significant and growing cause of global warming, because of their release of nitrous oxide (N2O), a greenhouse gas over three hundred times more potent than carbon dioxide.[18]
Catalytic converter production requires palladium or platinum; part of the world supply of these precious metals is produced near Norilsk, Russia, where the industry (among others) has caused Norilsk to be added to Time magazine's list of most-polluted places.
/end quote


Ref's:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalytic_converter
http://www.wealthdaily.com/articles/...companies/2495
http://www.metalseconomics.com/pdf/S...inumSupply.pdf
http://www.gold-eagle.com/analysis/platinum.html

^^Good job...Thank you.

You say drive 20 miles and do not go over that, but there is no set amount of miles to drive. When my car cycles its CEL's off on its own it can take a day to a week for my cel to come back on for my midpipe. I drive every day so its not a lack of miles thing.

I am probably just going to go buy a cheap obd2 scanner at harbor freight and that way I will know when the emissions test will be good. I do not know any emissions people out here, I just cant see them actually running the test on training just to help a random person out.


MazdaManiac posted once that he was able to pass the sniffer test with flying colors with no cat(not using AP to delete the code, this is a sniffer test). So it is possible to have your emissions under control and have a midpipe.

You can do the same thing yourself with an OBD CAN scanner

and most places aren't going to let you take up their time for free when they don't charge you for returning if you don't pass

Oh I figured they charged you every time? Never actually not passed an emissions test.

Let me clarify that in Dallas, they don't do the sniffer test...Just a code check, fuel cap pressure, etc...So this may not work for you anyway if you need the sniffer test...Sorry man :/

How is that you can justify talking about this subject as if it isn't illegal? Are you suggesting that we all just say the Hell with state and federal regulations?
I agree. And the "argument" suggesting that catalytic converters are somehow worse for the environment than not having them is laughable. Too bad you can't go back to LA in the '60s and see (or should I say "not see") for yourself. Look, if you want to man up and say you're breaking the law and you don't give a damn about air and other people, fine. We can respect that. But please, don't insult us by delegitimizing science in favor of your radical ideology.

Obviously, not everybody is going to agree with going catless.

This thread is for those who have their own reason for going catless, but still face the whole inspection issue.

I'm sure there are more important things to focus on than getting upset at this thread.

^ Fair enough.

I just read your edited post...I have no issue with admitting this is illegal...Like I said...we all have our reasons for either going catless or keeping a cat on...So I'm just helping the other criminals out ;)

I also have no shame in admitting I now smell like a lawn mower...lol

^^but to add on...I can shoot flames...So it's a trade for the smell.

lol

something to consider

a catalytic converter is made up of platinum a precious metal. Typically mined deep underground. In 2006 the two largest producers of platinum where south africa and russia (both of which i'm sure are known for their environmental policies).
http://www.metalseconomics.com/pdf/s...inumsupply.pdf

note: Palladium and rhodium are also used but i don't have time right now to investigate those guys.

This all takes a tremendous amount of energy just to mine. The power is likely generated by coal or diesel (onsite gen-set).

Remember the location we are mining this stuff. Next is the processing of the raw ore which requires massive crushers consuming massive power to reduce the ore to a size where the precious metal can be extracted, often by the use of nasty chemicals.

Then we transport the raw material to the mill. The mill turns it in to something useful for company looking for that precious metal, in the case of platinum i'm guessing some sort of billet.

Then its transported again to make the manufacture of the catalytic convertor which is then transported to the car manufacture which then transports the car to your dealer.

I couldn't find a suitable web page showing the global producers of catalytic converters. (i bet its not north america)

then we have to recycle these things. I don't know how that is done.

To bring this back to my point, it seems to me like we have made a device that helps our "air" at the expense of many environmental impacts of other peoples.
(not in my backyard sort of thing)

you might say that if you had the option not to buy a catalytic convertor when you purchased your vehicle that you are causing air pollution ... But you are saving a planet. <scratch head ponder> mmmmmmmm oo


i find this stuff fascinating to consider and that's just what i'm doing.
So all you tree huggers out there don't get your panties in knot.

Quoted from the book of knowledge -> wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/catalytic_converter
/quote
environmental impact
catalytic converters have proven to be reliable and effective in reducing noxious tailpipe emissions. However, they may have some adverse environmental impacts in use:
The requirement for an internal combustion engine equipped with a three-way catalyst to run at the stoichiometric point means it is less efficient than if it were operated lean. Thus, there is an increases the amount of fossil fuel consumed and the carbon-dioxide emissions from the vehicle. However, nox control on lean-burn engines is problematic and requires special lean nox catalysts to meet u.s. Emissions regulations.[citation needed]
although catalytic converters are effective at removing hydrocarbons and other harmful emissions, they do not solve the fundamental problem created by burning a fossil fuel. In addition to water, the main combustion product in exhaust gas leaving the engine — through a catalytic converter or not — is carbon dioxide (co2).[16] carbon dioxide produced from fossil fuels is one of the greenhouse gases indicated by the intergovernmental panel on climate change (ipcc) to be a "most likely" cause of global warming.[17] additionally, the u.s. Epa has stated catalytic converters are a significant and growing cause of global warming, because of their release of nitrous oxide (n2o), a greenhouse gas over three hundred times more potent than carbon dioxide.[18]
catalytic converter production requires palladium or platinum; part of the world supply of these precious metals is produced near norilsk, russia, where the industry (among others) has caused norilsk to be added to time magazine's list of most-polluted places.
/end quote


ref's:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/catalytic_converter
http://www.wealthdaily.com/articles/...companies/2495
http://www.metalseconomics.com/pdf/s...inumsupply.pdf
http://www.gold-eagle.com/analysis/platinum.html


yes!!!!! +10000000

Let me clarify that in Dallas, they don't do the sniffer test...Just a code check, fuel cap pressure, etc...So this may not work for you anyway if you need the sniffer test...Sorry man :/

As far as I know they do not do sniffer tests to cars with obd2. I was just adding onto the argument about going catless and if it is bad or not. Pretty sure mazdamaniac just asked them to do the sniffer test out of curiosity iirc.

I miss living in small town Wisconsin where I didn't have to get emission tests done. :eyetwitch

As far as I know they do not do sniffer tests to cars with obd2. :eyetwitch

Just as an FYI .....
They do the sniff test here in Ontario Canada.
They actually put your car on a small dyno and load up the engine while it runs at 2500rpm.

The rules are changing however and the dyno will be obsoleted in 2012 at some point.

I'd love to ignore this issue and I have many times before, but I can't do it in good conscience anymore. Environmental issues aside, this is wrong on a more personal level. First, you gain nothing from gutting the cat, aside from the weight savings, which is negligible. Modern, three way catalytic converters do not restrict air flow or use power in any way. Second, a car with a gutted cat is more dangerous to humans because it produces more CO (carbon monoxide). Reducing CO is one of the cat's main purposes for being on the car. Third, and to the point that I was making, it's Illegal for you to knowingly remove the cat and then sell it to someone else. So what I was doing by raising this issue, was pointing out to those that want to avoid this potentially disastrous mod to their car that what you promote as good, is actually pointless with a major down side.

To your claim that the cat caused a problem for your engine; I would suggest that it is probably the engine causing a problem for the cat. At any rate, what you are doing is treating a symptom and ignoring the cause. I had a bad catalytic converter and it was caused by the bad apex seals in my old engine. The factory replaced both at their expense and the car was 7+ years old.

PS. you got me, I do love trees and clean air!

PSS. for those that think it's okay to claim that they don't care about illegal acts like this, I would suggest taking your profile off line because anyone who buys your car can easily sue you for knowingly selling them a car with no cat.

I'm fully aware of what a catalytic converter does...But, seeing as my first engine blew because of my cat, to me, it isn't worth the risk of having one...I'm sure many here feel the same...Plus, in some states, inspection isn't even required...If you dislike this thread, ignore it.

1.) Remove the cat and sell it?...I gutted the damn thing and put it back on.

2.) I never promoted it as a good thing.

You should re-read my posts...While you're at it, quote where I mentioned selling a cay, and what gave the impression I promoted gutting a cat as good.

more dangerous to humans because it produces more CO

A cat will combine extra fuel and extra air to make CO² - using more energy and oxygen than a catless car.

.........and this is good how?

I think you should renew your Greenpeace® membership, and catch up on what they claim is 'green' today.......

First, you gain nothing from gutting the cat, aside from the weight savings, which is negligible. Modern, three way catalytic converters do not restrict air flow or use power in any way.

Wrong, wrong wrong.
Removing the cat or gutting the cat is one of the only ways to gain any horsepower out of the RX8.
Tried it, dyno'd it and know it.
Don't believe me ... argue with this RX8club heavy weight then
http://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php?p=3663969&postcount=4

To your claim that the cat caused a problem for your engine; I would suggest that it is probably the engine causing a problem for the cat.

MMmm I suppose this could be a "which comes first the chicken or the egg".

Uuuummmmmm ok ok ... ahhhh ... sure problems with the engine could cause the catalytic to fail ...but a failed catalytic will cause engine problems ... we can go in circles on this ...:Eyecrazy:

If you read my post above, you'll notice that while the catalytic removed the visible smog effect we all see, but it did not remove the worst green house gas which we cannot see.

Sometime as well it's hard to see what the entire impact on producing a product might have to solve a single problem. It's just a matter of changing the environmental impact location and problem.

Honestly in the end the solution is to start walking and riding bikes more ... or the horse I guess. <shrug>

I guess that's the problem, it's so complicated.

LOL the environments honour is defiantly not well defended by tree hugging RX8 drivers.

However, if you meant gutting the cat and selling the car...That's taking it to a whole other level...That was never mentioned once...Like I said before, this is simply a thread to help people with inspection issues.

Whether you like it or not, plenty of people run catless, and this is going to help them if they're stuck with the, "i can't get my inspection passed" problem.

You said, "it's not worth the risk [to the engine]", sorry, I used logic when I assumed the opposite of risk was no risk, or at least, less risk. Anyway, this is still off the topic.

The reason I took difference with your post was; you were promoting a way to get around state laws. I didn't want people reading this to think what you did to your catalytic converter, or what you suggest as a way to get around the law was okay or even beneficial. You shouldn't either. It opens people up to litigation and for no good reason - and you didn't tell them that.

:D
Who would thought that such a little thread would have inspired such ....
Well ... good content/interesting reading.

Cheers ppl ... well met everyone

Simply put, because there is really no other point I want to make: You will have to replace the cat to legally sell your car. And in the future, I will be doing a cat check before buying any used car.

I never suggested it was beneficial...i said it wasn't worth the risk in my opinion...and it's obviously illegal...I didn't realize I needed to specify something that should be common sense.

Either way, I'm still going to use this method every year, as will many others.

Cat or no cat, a car is still equally poisoness...If you don't believe me, park your car in a garage, close the garage door, start your car, and sit there.

P.S. - Since people apparently don't have common sense, I should probably add that this might kill you...and by "might"...I mean "will"...so don't actually do it.

I put my midpipe on at around 30k miles and my cat looked pretty good. I figure this way I do not have to worry about replacing the cat at any point because it will always be good when I need to put it back on.

I went out and bought a cheap harbor freight obdII scanner tonight and reset my p0420 code before I left their parking lot. It showed at that time I had 5 emissions systems that were ok, and 3 or 4 the were INC(incomplete I think) one of those was the catalyst system. I took a 7 mile trip home and checked it there and it had the cat listed as OK. I am going to see if I can get all the emissions systems at OK without getting a cel or not tomorrow.

lmao only in america would you be told in a thread on a car forum that you need to let other members know something obviously illegal is illegal to avoid litigation......

Actually you can sell your car catless as long as they are informed that it does not abide by state or federal laws. I bought a catless mazda rx7 from a dealer and he even had a special little Michigan state law form that showed what the car would and would not fail with regard to laws.

So don't worry about litigation as long as you properly inform the buyer with the proper paperwork.

you might worry about passing by an on-ramp road-side emission monitoring test vehicle and having your picture taken though, followed by a summons in the mail requesting you to appear at an inspection station for further evaluation

Yea those are around depending what state you live in, I saw them in Colorado all the time. There are a few ways people use to get around those testers when they see them.

Today I went 11 miles so far and still no CEL. The obd2 reader shows 7 tests completed and OK with just one single test still listed as INC(oxygen sensor monitor) and 3 set as N/A. I think I might be able to pass as-is with just that one test not done but I am going to see if I can get that at OK as well before I go in tomorrow.

Yea those are around depending what state you live in, I saw them in Colorado all the time. There are a few ways people use to get around those testers when they see them.

Today I went 11 miles so far and still no CEL. The obd2 reader shows 7 tests completed and OK with just one single test still listed as INC(oxygen sensor monitor) and 3 set as N/A. I think I might be able to pass as-is with just that one test not done but I am going to see if I can get that at OK as well before I go in tomorrow.


You can only have 1 "N/A" for it to pass...The others aren't ready yet...drive a few more miles.

Well I figured you could only have one INC, as N/A means not applicable right? The ones listed as N/A are "Heated catalyst" "A/C refrig monitor" "EGR system". I know there is no external EGR system, http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=110914 , that says there is some type of internal way it deals with it though?

The manual for this code reader states there are only two options, OK or INC. It doesn't even say its a possibility that some might read something else.

you might worry about passing by an on-ramp road-side emission monitoring test vehicle and having your picture taken though, followed by a summons in the mail requesting you to appear at an inspection station for further evaluation


That's why you speed up, then let off the gas and coast by it...lol :wiggle:

you might worry about passing by an on-ramp road-side emission monitoring test vehicle and having your picture taken though, followed by a summons in the mail requesting you to appear at an inspection station for further evaluation

I was more referencing legalities with selling the vehicle. obviously if you drive it is your own problem

I have never seen a roadside emissions dohickey... But they should most likely spend the money on DUI checkpoints and leave my car alone...

...Cat or no cat, a car is still equally poisoness...If you don't believe me, park your car in a garage, close the garage door, start your car, and sit there...

Are you really that ignorant? Or just doing shtick to justify your antisocial activity?

Monoxide will kill you running a car in a closed garage, cat or no cat. But running without a cat dumps all kinds of additional noxious stuff into the air, where it will contribute to killing lots of people. Are you old enough to remember when the air in a lot of cities (LA in particular) was kind of yellow, and it was routine for people's eyes to burn just from walking around outside?

Ken

Are you really that ignorant? Or just doing shtick to justify your antisocial activity?

Monoxide will kill you running a car in a closed garage, cat or no cat. But running without a cat dumps all kinds of additional noxious stuff into the air, where it will contribute to killing lots of people. Are you old enough to remember when the air in a lot of cities (LA in particular) was kind of yellow, and it was routine for people's eyes to burn just from walking around outside?

Ken

I agree with you however I think that the point here is we are talking about a small collection of folks with burnt up cats. People who most likely do not have the $$$ to buy a new cat.

People whole will keep driving with no cat, skip an inspection and risk a hefty fine.

The best solution I can see is to run a high flow cat which won't pass inspection but at least pollutes less.

Monoxide will kill you running a car in a closed garage, cat or no cat. But running without a cat dumps all kinds of additional noxious stuff into the air, where it will contribute to killing lots of people. Are you old enough to remember when the air in a lot of cities (LA in particular) was kind of yellow, and it was routine for people's eyes to burn just from walking around outside?

Ken

The thing I was trying to get people to consider earlier was that ... "There is no free ride".
By using toxic Catalytic convertors (to produce) all you are doing to moving the environmental problem somewhere else.
Yes catalytic convertors clean monoxide from the exhaust fumes but what you can't see (from North America) is the environmental issues caused by its production.
You can't get something for free. Is the carbon foot print of making a catalytic convertor bigger than the one its trying to solve?
I don't know? It's interesting to consider.

Quoted from Wiki (FWIW) there is a major short coming in Three way catalytic convertor technology and that is the ability to reduce CO2.
"Although catalytic converters are effective at removing hydrocarbons and other harmful emissions, they do not reduce the emission of carbon dioxide (CO2) produced when fossil fuels are burnt.[22] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalytic_converter#cite_note-21) Carbon dioxide produced from fossil fuels is one of the greenhouse gases (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gases) indicated by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intergovernmental_Panel_on_Climate_Change) (IPCC) to be a "most likely" cause of global warming (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming).[23] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalytic_converter#cite_note-22) Additionally, the U.S. EPA has stated catalytic converters are a significant and growing cause of global warming, because of their release of nitrous oxide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrous_oxide) (N2O), a greenhouse gas over three hundred times more potent than carbon dioxide.[24] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalytic_converter#cite_note-23)"



So cleaning the CO (smog) was good but it is what we see .... so we think great all done.

What about what you can't see?

Check out CO2 emission from Google and the UN

http://www.google.ca/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=en_atm_co2e_pc&idim=country:CAN&dl=en&hl=en&q=co2+emissions

https://unstats.un.org/unsd/environment/air_co2_emissions.htm

I would love to find out how much fuel is spent creating a single catalytic convertor.

In the end ... the catalytic is a bandaid solution and not a very good one at that, as soon as it gets wet it falls off.
They work (for some green house gases), there is no denying that.
But to unequivocally say they are good for the environment?
No, I won't agree with this.
You need to consider the entire cost of such a product.
All we have done is move and shift the environmental impact.

There is no free ride, the solution is to stop burning fuel as inefficiently as we do or to not burn it at all.


--- edit ---
As I drive away in my gas guzzling turbo charged RX8, giving the finger to the environment!
But for those that do care, the catalytic is not your holy grail. If you really cared, you wouldn't drive.
The entire automobile is a environmental disaster to produce.

I agree with you however I think that the point here is we are talking about a small collection of folks with burnt up cats. People who most likely do not have the $$$ to buy a new cat...

The OP didn't have his cat burn up. He said he gutted it.

But for people who don't have the money to replace a cat, that's probably not the only thing they can't afford, so this thread is of rather limited use. It would be more helpful to have a thread describing how to pull off armed robberies, so they could have money for all their needs. :)

Ken

The OP didn't have his cat burn up. He said he gutted it.

But for people who don't have the money to replace a cat, that's probably not the only thing they can't afford, so this thread is of rather limited use. It would be more helpful to have a thread describing how to pull off armed robberies, so they could have money for all their needs. :)

Ken

I think the he is actually a she Ken. I think.

I think the he is actually a she Ken. I think.

Cherchez la femme! No wonder sweet-talking the inspection guys into becoming accomplices worked.

BTW - your point about cats being a trade is very good. When they were introduced CO2 was considered to be benign, and cats cleaned up some nasty stuff. They also replaced junk like air pumps that killed mileage and drivablility. But understanding keeps evolving.

Ken

Are you really that ignorant? Or just doing shtick to justify your antisocial activity?

Monoxide will kill you running a car in a closed garage, cat or no cat. But running without a cat dumps all kinds of additional noxious stuff into the air, where it will contribute to killing lots of people. Are you old enough to remember when the air in a lot of cities (LA in particular) was kind of yellow, and it was routine for people's eyes to burn just from walking around outside?

Ken


Actually no, I'm not ignorant at all...Just to answer your question.



The OP didn't have his cat burn up. He said he gutted it.

But for people who don't have the money to replace a cat, that's probably not the only thing they can't afford, so this thread is of rather limited use. It would be more helpful to have a thread describing how to pull off armed robberies, so they could have money for all their needs. :)

Ken


Yes, I did gut my cat because I did not want it on my car...Like I've said plenty of times throughout this thread, I have my own reasons.




I think the he is actually a she Ken. I think.



This is correct.



Cherchez la femme! No wonder sweet-talking the inspection guys into becoming accomplices worked.

BTW - your point about cats being a trade is very good. When they were introduced CO2 was considered to be benign, and cats cleaned up some nasty stuff. They also replaced junk like air pumps that killed mileage and drivablility. But understanding keeps evolving.

Ken

Sweet talking?...Ehhh...Not my style...Never has been...I'd rather look like a know it all bitch than pretend to look stupid just to get my way...I've never been great at being nice to anybody...Especially the opposite sex.

I've never been great at being nice to anybody...Especially the opposite sex.

Ahhhh crap.
Now I'm sad :(

lol

Ahhhh crap.
Now I'm sad :(

lol

...Cool story bro...lol...kidding.

If feel like a cat on a rotary is not worth it. For the amount of damage it can do to the engine I much rather take the risk of riding around with it gutted. Here most place just check insurance and registration then slap a new sticker on.

If I HAD to have a cat for inspection, I would go buy that cheap bolt-on autozone cat and use it once a year for inspection. Swapping the mid pipe on this car is pretty quick and easy.

I still think someone should try this lol : http://bigdaddiesgarage.com/mini-cat-cel-fix.html

If feel like a cat on a rotary is not worth it. For the amount of damage it can do to the engine I much rather take the risk of riding around with it gutted.

My reasoning as well

I bought a cobb... MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

I still think someone should try this lol : http://bigdaddiesgarage.com/mini-cat-cel-fix.html

Just bought two.
So I can haz front and rear Cats

LOL, why dont you just get a "dual box cat" ....




(refer to a particular thread that I wont mention yet should be easy to spot..)

lol
Follow the music,

yep, just dont spin in your tracks for too long if you are having trouble finding it

I can't believe he's still posting...lol

You can only have 1 "N/A" for it to pass...The others aren't ready yet...drive a few more miles.


The N/A's were just what I thought, meaningless. Now the real emissions tests the car does you can only have 1 of the 8 set as incomplete. Passed the other day easily with the cat off the car by just using a cheap code reader to see when it was ready. The test really should be harder to pass than that.

^ So you just deal with the CEL and hope that no new codes sparked up behind the scenes?

I bought a cobb... MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

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Avoid operating the car at the load/rpm points marked by a one in the attached image.

Rear O2 DTCs are set in that range.

Disseminate this information widely so that all states will be forced to implement better testing.

Or buy a Cobb.

DTC masking does not affect the readiness monitors, so it is possible to fail a plug in test with a Cobb. However, most states allow a car to have some number of unset readiness monitors.

Does it mask it or does it tell the PCM to not look for that code?

Does it mask it or does it tell the PCM to not look for that code?

Masking prevents the lookup of the DTC identifier after a problem is detected.

The other routines associated with that DTC still run - misfire handling, readiness monitors, and other stuff I don't understand at all. So the ecu still responds to the error, it just doesn't report it.

^ So you just deal with the CEL and hope that no new codes sparked up behind the scenes?

I cleared the cel I had (p0420) and then drove until 7 of 8 emissions tests were completed by the car which took a few days. The only test that would not complete was for an o2 sensor. Its been 70+ miles since I deleted that code and I still have no cel.

I don't have the test here were I live but it is funny that a person who care about the enviroment would drive a car that not only burn gas but it also burn oil and have the back bone to coment!! About it
I ably ask about this because I may not have the choice at this time are the money to get a new one so to ovoid damage to my engine what do u sogest.
I would clean it if I think paint thinner should work, but then again more palutant

I was about to look for this thread and post, glad someone beat me to it. First Jamcan I under the first part of your post but you lost me on the second half there.

I am now 300+ miles after I reset my cel and it is STILL trying to decide if my oxygen sensor is good or not lol. Still no cel for me but I know its coming. So you really do not have to rush and get emissions done in those first 20-30 miles every reset.

Sooo was mostly reading this thread for all the lols it was worth, when I saw the bolt on extension for the 02 sonsor....
Soo my dealership tried this for me oddly enough, and it was a no go as a fyi.... 02 sensor was still unhappy.

When I had it up for sale a while back, I simply stated it had a high flow cat, and wouldn't pass emissions.... Although here it isn't a state law, it's county. I could sell it to someone a couple miles north and emissions wouldn't be required

Sauer you are dealing with federal law here, not so much state or even county. Yes the state may say in that certain area no emissions test is required, but it is still federally unlawful to remove the cat from the car in the first place.

Your dealership installed something that was meant to circumvent an emissions test? They must have some smart people working there.

Lol a tree hugger driving a Rx8 is like a vegan owning a slaughter house. I like to imagine that I club a baby seal every time I start my car :)

While working at a dodge dealer, I had the unpleasant opportunity to work with an srt4, the ecu was flash so that the monitors : o2 monitor, o2 heater, and catalyst, went to N/A. So the ecu would be ready for inspection almost within minutes of idling. Now I know we can mask dtc's ( cel or mil) with the AP as I have done but can we mask the readiness monitors like this srt4 had?

It totally sux you can't post pictures in this section.

you can't?

apparently not... might be an option for DIY threads... and I had the perfect visual !!!

You can attach photos, but back to masking readiness monitors, anyone anyone?

You can attach photos, but back to masking readiness monitors, anyone anyone?

No clue I haven't registered my car for 2 years.

I'm going to go next week sometime though I'll let you know how it turns out.

You can attach photos, but back to masking readiness monitors, anyone anyone?

http://www.cybersalt.org/images/funnypictures/cats/catmelonhead.jpg

nope... still broke
Mod Note: No it isn't broke. As you can see, you can attach a picture.

Well okay then , lol

In principal, you can disable them, or you can force them to pass.

In principal, you can disable them, or you can force them to pass.
Finally someone with the answer I need, is principal something in accesstuner? I'm not familiar with principal.

I know you can add attachments and get thumbnails.. but the actual phpbb img tag doesn't work :(

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=184427&d=1335979662

Finally someone with the answer I need, is principal something in accesstuner? I'm not familiar with principal.

LOL....


prin·ci·ple/ˈprinsəpəl/

Noun:

A fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behavior or for a chain of reasoning.
A rule or belief governing one's personal behavior.

Lol a tree hugger driving a Rx8 is like a vegan owning a slaughter house. I like to imagine that I club a baby seal every time I start my car :)

:evil_laug:evil_laug:evil_laug

you might worry about passing by an on-ramp road-side emission monitoring test vehicle and having your picture taken though, followed by a summons in the mail requesting you to appear at an inspection station for further evaluation


Very true... They are all around the Dallas Fort Worth area.

Or, you can just turn your car off when you go through them. I have a friend who does this with his modded to hell mustang as well as his off roading truck. I think it registers inside the monitoring vehicle as an inconclusive test or something... H's been through about 8 total with his and never received a letter....

Funny but I really need to force pass or elim some monitors, I've seen it done before but only on an SRT4

You need an Accessport. Cobb cracked the mazda maploader stuff... Anything else (besides cracking their loader) is lipstick on a pig.

Very entertaining thread!