Dont bash me . I have a ty grey 8 but i have this lady friend thats looking to buy a Z. Does anybody know of some good web sites on reviews or maybe a fourm to help her out? Thanks

do a search for z car owners forum on google

Try:

www.z.com or http://www.my350z.com/forum/

Another high-traffic forum for Nissan and Infiniti vehicles is Fresh Alloy (http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php). They have a section for Z cars, including the 350Z.

My best friend drives a 350z. It is definately a better buy than the Rx-8, but people must like high-revving engines?? I dunno. I would have bought one, but my dad didn't let me because he is my dad's employee, and that would be weird.

It may be a little bit heavier, but it is more powerful, faster, and it has more potential in the engine department. Don't get me wrong, I like my 8, but I think that the Z is better.


Troy J.

Originally posted by JeupRX-8
I would have bought one, but my dad didn't let me because he is my dad's employee, and that would be weird.

Huh? You're gonna have to explain that one to me, cause I'm not getting it.

The Z has it's strong points and is a fine car. As a matter of fact, it was the car that I was going to get when it first came out. But then came the 8 . . . As good as the Z is, you see head to head reviews picking the 8 most of the time for a reason.

Lost me there as well... In fact I think that's the strangest post I've ever seen made by an RX-8 owner, even the parts that made sense.

i wish my dad would buy me an rx-8....guess i'll just have to earn mine

His friend is his dad's employee. I don't know why it would make it wierd though.

Originally posted by DemonRX-8
Huh? You're gonna have to explain that one to me, cause I'm not getting it.

The Z has it's strong points and is a fine car. As a matter of fact, it was the car that I was going to get when it first came out. But then came the 8 . . . As good as the Z is, you see head to head reviews picking the 8 most of the time for a reason.

I am 18, a senior in high school... My dad wouldn't let me get a 350z because my friend (and also my dad's employee) drives a Z. It would be odd for a guy 31 to have the same car as me (18). Now ya get it??? And I do pay for my car, I just pay my dad monthly payments (roughly $450), the rest of my money pays for moding my car. My dad pays my insurance ($4,650 per year~~Daum!)


Troy J.

$4650 a year for insurance? What? You serious? What, did you get your license suspended? How many points do you have? I pay $2500 a year, and that's for 3 cars, including my 8...

Originally posted by JeupRX-8
I am 18, a senior in high school... My dad wouldn't let me get a 350z because my friend (and also my dad's employee) drives a Z. It would be odd for a guy 31 to have the same car as me (18). Now ya get it??? And I do pay for my car, I just pay my dad monthly payments (roughly $450), the rest of my money pays for moding my car. My dad pays my insurance ($4,650 per year~~Daum!)


Troy J.

That makes it only slightly more clear. Now let me get this straight, you're 18 and you're dad's employee is 31 (who may or may not be you're best friend as well). I still don't see how it would be weird. I'm 36 and I drive the same car as you - is that weird too? An 18 yr old having a 31 yr old best friend isn't weird? I'm sorry, I'm just having a hard time following logic that dictates that a 350Z is inappropriate for you but the RX-8 is not.

Now "i" before "e" except in "weird" is weird.

at least he's taking responsibility..my pet peeve is kids getting a nice not cheap new car and knowing little about it...too bad you got the auto jeup...at the U here i see plenty 18-19 year old kids driving x5's and g-35 who probably don't even know how to put gas it them.... :(

Originally posted by DemonRX-8
That makes it only slightly more clear. Now let me get this straight, you're 18 and you're dad's employee is 31 (who may or may not be you're best friend as well). I still don't see how it would be weird. I'm 36 and I drive the same car as you - is that weird too? An 18 yr old having a 31 yr old best friend isn't weird? I'm sorry, I'm just having a hard time following logic that dictates that a 350Z is inappropriate for you but the RX-8 is not.

Now "i" before "e" except in "weird" is weird.

I can sort of see his point -- I used to drive a BMW 328i, the same car my boss's wife drove...I always felt a little weird about that (and she and I are good friends, which is also a little strange).

I was parked at a red light and this guy had the same car as me and like whoa almost the same color. I was like "this is weird". So I rolled down the window and before I can talk he said "This is weird". Right then and there I knew I had to sell my car.

I am just saying that it is wierd for a 18 y.o. to have the same car as a 30-ish year old. I am in high school, they have a career. Thats all I meant. It is not odd to my family's friends, but it is a little bit to my dad's employee's that I drive a $30K car, which is better than most of his employee's. But I don't see why he thought it was such a big deal, beucase he has a 575 maranello and a 745i.



Troy J.

spread some of the wealth my way ;)

www.350zmotoring.com and www.my350z.com are the top forums for the 350z. used to be an active member when i was considering the Z before i got my RX-8. you can find out alot of information on those sites

my buddy with the Z car is a member of those forums... He is getting up there in mods. He just got a huge shipment of all the crap we are going to install next week, when he takes it out of storage.

Borla True-dual exhaust
Borla Headers
Injen Intake
Eibach Lowering Springs
Brembo Cross-drilled, vented, and slotted rotors
Hawk(?) racing brake pads
He also just got his sand-blasted and then power-coated anodized black at my dad's company (we have like 10 20" square finishing booths).

This puppy is gonna kick my ass at the track until I get my mods up. As soon as I get my lowering springs, 10" wide wheels, exhaust, intake, etc. I may come close to beating him at the track, becuase my car is lighter and it will help me in turns.

Troy J.

Im 16, i also paid for my own car, and paying $373 a month right now.

Before i started up PolakGraphics i hardly had $100 bucks for end of the month. My question is what the hell do you do to afford a $450+ a month and have enough money for mods!

Maybe he's still getting an allowance? I love the Z as well but let me point something out about how "great a car it is". I live in San Diego and frequently buy the "car trader magazine" for mindless reading and would like to point out that for the past 6-8 months I have yet to see a single RX8 for "re-sale" while I can choose from 2 dozen 350Zs on any giving month, you do analysis.
My philosophy is that many "seasoned" drivers found out they don't care for the "tooth-jarring" ride after a few thousand miles and the coolness of the looks wears off....

Originally posted by SDFLY
Maybe he's still getting an allowance? I love the Z as well but let me point something out about how "great a car it is". I live in San Diego and frequently buy the "car trader magazine" for mindless reading and would like to point out that for the past 6-8 months I have yet to see a single RX8 for "re-sale" while I can choose from 2 dozen 350Zs on any giving month, you do analysis.


That's because there aren't nearly as many people "initially" buying the RX8 to make them eligible to "resell" it.

There's a thread somewhere on this board about the Feb 2004 sales for both company's and the Z is still outselling by almost 2:1, despite the fact that it's been on the market 3x longer. By sheer probability, the fact that there are more Z's sold logically means that there will be more Z's available for resale. Not to mention the fact that Mazda bought back those who might have wanted to resell their 8 at the beginning.

That's my analysis anyway....

In regards to "what I do"...

I am a senior in High School, I work 30 hours a week after school, on Saturdays, and Sundays. I am one of the Operations Managers of my dad's furniture company. I control all the ordering, shipping, stock, of all the parts and supplies of the company. It is a $20 Million a year business. I am very busy all the time. I live at home, so I pay for nothing; my parent's pay for my car Insurance ($4,650 a year.). All I pay is for my car (my dad payed cash for it, and I pay him back, he says I am learning responsability.. I say why don't you just give it to me for free.

I don't play sports anymore--- Although I would be all-state in Track & Field. I was offered full-ride scholarships from three D1 schools for football (Runningback). BUT, I turned it down becuase I am going to go to MIT for engineering. I am going to work for my father's company, and when he retires @ 45; I will be handed the company. By then, I will be driving a Ferrari (age 26), and I will hopefully be married.

Regards,

Troy J.

Best of Luck to you.

I won't make take jeers like your about to get about "yada yada has it to easy", sounds like your not the typical rich kid.

Though a ride in that Ferrari would be nice :D

You are correct. I am not the typical "rich kid". My dad earned his fortune, and he is making me earn mine as well. The comical thing is that my friends think that I am spoiled, when their parents buy them cars. My dad just gives me a loan, but hey I have already spent way too many years trying to persuade people's views about me. You are better off just living how you want to, and not worrying that much about what people think about you.


Troy J.

Are you familiar with MIT's current "star" running back? If you have to compete against him, then I feel sorry...

*Mod Edit*

Originally posted by zthang
That's because there aren't nearly as many people "initially" buying the RX8 to make them eligible to "resell" it.

There's a thread somewhere on this board about the Feb 2004 sales for both company's and the Z is still outselling by almost 2:1, despite the fact that it's been on the market 3x longer. By sheer probability, the fact that there are more Z's sold logically means that there will be more Z's available for resale. Not to mention the fact that Mazda bought back those who might have wanted to resell their 8 at the beginning.

That's my analysis anyway....


Just picked up the Trader: For "Re-sale"

Nissan 350Z - 9 Mazda RX-8 - 0

Wouldn't you think by now that there might be a single RX-8 for
resale? I do, and the fact that I've yet to spot one in the Auto Trader is amazing. Even if your theory held water you would expect to see a couple of 8s for sell from time to time.....Either people just love them or maybe there secretly returning them in other states to buy 350s?

It's very possible. I never said that your theory was wrong...I just offered a different one. Your ideas are also only show resale cars for san diego where that particular auto trader publishes. Not to mention they sell the most 350s in california. If you look on ebay there are always a few 8's for sale. There's a few for you.

Originally posted by JeupRX-8


I don't play sports anymore--- Although I would be all-state in Track & Field. I was offered full-ride scholarships from three D1 schools for football (Runningback). BUT, I turned it down becuase I am going to go to MIT for engineering. I am going to work for my father's company, and when he retires @ 45; I will be handed the company. By then, I will be driving a Ferrari (age 26), and I will hopefully be married.

Regards,

Troy J.

Some things don't jive here. Does anyone else sense it?

Originally posted by PhineasFellOff
Some things don't jive here. Does anyone else sense it? Yes, I sensed it too. He is half naked in his avatar. I can almost see his nipples.

Originally posted by SDFLY
Just picked up the Trader: For "Re-sale"

Nissan 350Z - 9 Mazda RX-8 - 0

Wouldn't you think by now that there might be a single RX-8 for
resale? I do, and the fact that I've yet to spot one in the Auto Trader is amazing. Even if your theory held water you would expect to see a couple of 8s for sell from time to time.....Either people just love them or maybe there secretly returning them in other states to buy 350s?

Take a look at the forsale section on this board there are some for sale there, and just doing a search on autotrader.com for my area turned up 13 used RX-8s for sale. A lot les than the Z would turn up with the same search, but that's to be expected considering how many are on the road and that some people have had them for a couple years now.

There are no RX-8 Private owners selling on Auto Trader, because the dealer is offering Invoice on all 8's. They can't compete with that, when the dealer can't even sell the dang car when it is new. At my dealer, they are selling at invoice; 11 Rx-8s there and not going anywhere. I don't understand why, becuase it is a pretty noice package.


Troy J.

4 Private sellers in my area, but yes, if they bought the RX-8 near MSRP they are going to lose their ass because many dealers seem to be flooded with RX-8s. Hell, on autotrader in the used car area I had to weed through the new cars to count the used ones. So delaers are paying for ads in the used area of the site to get more exposure. The few dealers I've seen in my area have plenty of 8s to go around and are willing to deal. It is a nice package, but hp sells cars in many cases. Even though the RX-8 is a great car (I mean that) it's getting a lot of ridicule within the import community, and even by enthusiasts who just expected more umph. That has to be hurting sales to a degree, and I would imagine so is some reluctancy caused by the stigma that seems to follow to rotary.

Ike

Mazda dropped the ball with its MSRP game again. I have been saying from the beginning, Mazda should have offered the RX-8 6MT for $25k, and max out under $30k to be competitive. If they had done that, the hp issue wouldn't matter (since cars in the same class have less), they wouldn't have to discount it to invoice, which hurts both brand image and resale.

Originally posted by Skyline Maniac
the hp issue wouldn't matter (since cars in the same class have less), they wouldn't have to discount it to invoice, which hurts both brand image and resale.

i didn't buy the car for its HP....i think the technology and car we are getting is fairly priced. come on it's a rotary..although cheaper is always nice..

I personally didn't buy the car for the engine of all things. I could care less what the heck kind of engine it has. I think the looks make it very appealing, but I do agree that a HP boost would have helped sales. Especially when you compaire this car to a 287-hp 350z, when you think about it--- A Honda Accord has 2 more bhp than an RX-8! It is a crazy world.

Troy J.

Originally posted by Skyline Maniac
Mazda dropped the ball with its MSRP game again.

WTFE. Mazda offered a 4 seater sports car with much more equipment than the S2k and the Z for LESS money. So if they "dropped the ball" then Honda and Nissan must have just lost their f'n minds when they priced their cars.

scorp76,

I agree with you completely. Skyline Maniac has no clue here. He's completely, disastrously wrong here.

Originally posted by IkeWRX
4 Private sellers in my area....

***Pretty close, I just checked your Autotrader and found 3, agree that a few can be found on Ebay however***


... It is a nice package, but hp sells cars in many cases.

***Nothing a little money can't fix-up, does anyone actually drive stock autos anymore?***


...Even though the RX-8 is a great car (I mean that) it's getting a lot of ridicule within the import community, and even by enthusiasts who just expected more umph...

***I guess "2003 International Motor of the Year" and Road and Track Finalist for "Best car 2004" don't count for much with the urban slack-pants crowd...classic Ikeism, please keep on entertaining us***


Ike

The majority of auto owners will never modify their car, and many of those that intend to modify will wait until the warranty is up. Why should you have to pay more for something that was already intended to be there (more hp) and risk warranty claims being denied.

I read a lot of car boards, if you want to think it's just me entertaining you, that's your perogative. But I see what other car owners say about the RX-8, most of it relates to how slow it is or how Mazda screwed up. While these may be nieve statements, made by people that don't realize it's still a great car, they're still people that may have driven the car and bought the car if it did not have the stigma attached to it. A stigma that was placed there by Mazda, and a stigma that continues to grow as the dyno results of RX-8s make their rounds on the car forums.
Tell them about the International Engine (motors are electric) of the Year Award and they will laugh you off their forum. I'm not saying it's right, but it's the truth in many cases.

Ike

Originally posted by IkeWRX
I read a lot of car boards, if you want to think it's just me entertaining you, that's your perogative. But I see what other car owners say about the RX-8, most of it relates to how slow it is or how Mazda screwed up. While these may be nieve statements, made by people that don't realize it's still a great car, they're still people that may have driven the car and bought the car if it did not have the stigma attached to it. A stigma that was placed there by Mazda, and a stigma that continues to grow as the dyno results of RX-8s make their rounds on the car forums.
Tell them about the International Engine (motors are electric) of the Year Award and they will laugh you off their forum. I'm not saying it's right, but it's the truth in many cases.

My sense of Mazda, as a company, and the people that buy rotaries is that both are pretty unique. Mazda invested in a technology that everyone else was abandoning and despite all the problems with the Gen 3 turbo RX-7's, people kept them and modified their machines into monsters. Neither follow "conventional wisdom" and seem to care little about what others say.

Sure it might not help sales directly, but this type of culture gives the rotary and Mazda a cult-like status, which has helped Mazda keep and develop a brand image. Mazda is using the RX-8 to build a brand image. In the U.S. the Mazda 3 and 6 are the money makers for the company.

That's my two cents,

Magic8

JeupRX-8:

dont feel embarassed about having the same car as one of your seniors! Myself, I don't feel ashamed when beating the crap out of youngsters in the local MTB track or in the nationals ;-)

Tamas

BTW: I'm 29, and don't forget money is not everything!

i have had my rx8 for 2 months.
i have to say the z is the better than the rx8
i have a silverstone 350z on order. i love the duel exhaust on the nissan 350z why cant the rx8 have a nice sound.?

You sound just dumb enough to fit in with the Z crowd. You definitely picked the right car.

Originally posted by scorp76
You sound just dumb enough to fit in with the Z crowd. You definitely picked the right car.

And you sound bitter enough to fit in with the 8 crowd...what's your point? If you're going to make a stereotypical comment just say it bluntly like "I think 350z owners are idiots" no need to be sly and try to make it seem like you're not insulting the guy.

Oh I thought I was being nice about it. I could have said it in a rude way, such as "Z owners are fucking idiots," or, "Z owners are as fucking stupid as their cars are ugly."

Next time I won't bite my tongue.

Originally posted by scorp76
Oh I thought I was being nice about it. I could have said it in a rude way, such as "Z owners are fucking idiots," or, "Z owners are as fucking stupid as their cars are ugly."

Next time I won't bite my tongue.

That's the spirit! You should never hide your true feelings. I still think they're both great cars, but that's just me. I apologize if you feel like I attacked you there with my last remark. That guy did insult your car first, so I understand why you'd lash back, I just think it's more mature to just say what you were really thinking and let it all out instead of trying to be sarcastic. It's a problem that I can't stand in my household. Everyone holds in their anger and instead of letting it go they just keep doing mean things. I think everyone needs to just let their anger out every once in awhile and just get it over with. Enough with hateful remarks, can't we all just get along?

That's the spirit! You should never hide your true feelings. I just think it's more mature to just say what you were really thinking and let it all out instead of trying to be sarcastic.
I never do. Holding shit in will send you to an early grave.

Enough with hateful remarks, can't we all just get along?
Don't count on it Rodney.

Originally posted by scorp76

Don't count on it Rodney.

I've never heard that phrase before? Where did it come from and who's Rodney?

Originally posted by zthang
I've never heard that phrase before? Where did it come from and who's Rodney?

I think it's fanboi for retard :p

"Oh I thought I was being nice about it. I could have said it in a rude way, such as "Z owners are fucking idiots," or, "Z owners are as fucking stupid as their cars are ugly."

Now shouldn't this guy be banned? If someone said these things about the RX-8, the ban would come quickly.

Originally posted by zthang
I've never heard that phrase before? Where did it come from and who's Rodney?

*sigh* Rodney King made that comment in his speech after the riots years and years ago.

It's ok. You were probably in elementary school or something at the time.

Originally posted by scorp76
*sigh* Rodney King made that comment in his speech after the riots years and years ago.

It's ok. You were probably in elementary school or something at the time.

Wow, the insults just never stop with you do they? Something bad happen in your life recently?

350 is ugly? wow i think its the best looking car ever made.

RX-8 get a lot of looks...but most are "what type of car is that, ive never seen it"

The 350z is "my god, look at that machine"

As far as Canada goes...you can't compare the two. The 350Z is almost $10,000 more then the base RX8.

There is no "base" 350z in Canada. Lowest is the performance.

The RX-8 is a nice alternative, if you can't afford a real sports car like the 350Z.

190 HP or 289 HP...hmmmmm

350 is ugly?
Yup....very.

The 350z is "my god, look at how ugly that machine is"
Fixed it for you.

The RX-8 is a nice alternative, if you can't afford a real sports car like the 350Z.
The Z is a nice alternative, if you have an inferiority complex.

190 HP or 289 HP...hmmmmm
Viagra or penis pump....hmmmmmm

Originally posted by zthang
Wow, the insults just never stop with you do they? Something bad happen in your life recently?
Nope. I just dont like you.

Originally posted by scorp76
Nope. I just dont like you.

Did I offend you somehow, or do you just not like me because of the vehicle I purchased?

Originally posted by scorp76


The Z is a nice alternative, if you have an inferiority complex.



I think you've made it very clear who the one with the inferiority complex is.

Originally posted by zthang
Did I offend you somehow, or do you just not like me because of the vehicle I purchased?

Little bit of both.

Wow, this gimp is a moron.

Just because you can't afford a 350Z and your mad it floods, 14MPG and Mazda lied about the HP doesn't mean you should look like a 12 year old on a message board.

There's a reason theres only TWELVE 350Z's coupes available in ALL of Canada and RX-8's are flooding the lots of Mazda dealers, because they can't sell them....

RX-8 is a nice car, i'm just glad the sales manager was a dick, so i went shopping elswhere. Found a car that you can't even compare to a RX-8.

Rx-8 is the same class as Accords, RSX.
350Z is the same class as Boxters, S2000, G35's etc.

Originally posted by IkeWRX
I think you've made it very clear who the one with the inferiority complex is.

This from a riceboy.

That's cute.

Wow, this gimp is a moron.
Am I? Maybe I SHOULD buy a Z then since fans and owners are usually morons.

Just because you can't afford a 350Z and your mad it floods, 14MPG and Mazda lied about the HP doesn't mean you should look like a 12 year old on a message board.
So what's YOUR excuse, is it a Canadian thing?

There's a reason theres only TWELVE 350Z's coupes available in ALL of Canada and RX-8's are flooding the lots of Mazda dealers, because they can't sell them....
If I cared about anything that happened in Canada, I'd call BS, but since it doesnt exist to me, I dont give a shit. They're selling here and that's all that counts. Plenty of Z's on used lots though.

Rx-8 is the same class as Accords, RSX.
350Z is the same class as Boxters, S2000, G35's etc.
There's that stupidity thing coming into play again.

Originally posted by PoLaK
Best of Luck to you.

I won't make take jeers like your about to get about "yada yada has it to easy", sounds like your not the typical rich kid.

Though a ride in that Ferrari would be nice :D

man, i'm totally with you there. got pics? :P

Originally posted by scorp76
This from a riceboy.

That's cute.

Yeah, I'm the riceboy, because I drive a fast car that doesn't look faster than is really is.

You're the riceboy, because you drive an ugly ass car and dont care just because it has a turbo and because the riceboy's manual, SCC, puts it on the cover from time to time.

I thought riceboy's were all about "all show, no go". Isn't someone with a car that has nothing but aesthetic mods and no performance mods a riceboy?

Originally posted by tschangrx7
"Oh I thought I was being nice about it. I could have said it in a rude way, such as "Z owners are fucking idiots," or, "Z owners are as fucking stupid as their cars are ugly."

Now shouldn't this guy be banned? If someone said these things about the RX-8, the ban would come quickly.

It helps if someone reports this crap instead of just complaining about it in the thread. I get so tired of seeing this "so-and-so gets away with everything just because he's an RX-8 owner" bullshit. If someone runs over to my350Z.com and starts posting crap like "350Z sucks ass the RX-8 rocks" they'd get banned over there pretty damn quickly too. You don't go to a forum dedicated to a particular car and start insulting it and talking out your ass for no reason. Duh.

Scorp76, your attitude is inexcusable. There is no reason you couldn't have responded politely, instead of attacking people. They were stating their opinions relatively politely, and there was no reason to turn this into a flame war. Next time it happens, you will get a ban.

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