I made a new thread to keep it easier for everyone to follow.

I'm doing another CZ Stage 1/2 GB, this time open to 25 buyers. Right now I have 18 people that have expressed interest, but I a few haven't gotten back to me, so we'll say somewhere around 15 at the moment.

I can accept any mix of stage 1 and 2 since they're all the same price now. If you'd like a midpipe kit, I can order that as well, but shipping will be considerably more and you'll pay normal retail for the midpipe portion of the order. PM me for more details on that.

I'm going to close the GB to new buyers in about 2 weeks. IF I HAVE 25+ BY THEN, THE PRICE IS $520 SHIPPED. If it's 24 or less, the price is $535 shipped. As in the previous GB, I accept (in order of preference): Paypal (+3%), Money Order, or Bank Check (the latter 2 need to be express mailed, I'll explain why in a moment.) I can take personal checks in exceptional circumstances, PM if you think you'll have to do that.

When the GB is closed, I'll determine how many units to shoot for and ask for a "verbal contract" of payment from the buyers. If we have 25, it's $520, less than that, $535. You will know then as some people will flake on me at the last minute. After I've recieved confirmation, I'll set a payment date 10 days later and place the order with Maurice. I MUST have your payment in my hands by that date, or your position is forfeited. If you choose to Paypal, feel free to send it on the last day. If you're mailing payment, I encourage you to at least use a method that allows tracking. I'm not an established business, just a guy doing a favor, and I cannot be responsible for payment lost in transit. Once all payment is received, I'll make the wire transfer and it should be 2-3 weeks from then until the order is received. A drop ship system is possible, but for now, I'll be receiving all the units and shipping them individually.

If you have questions post them in here so everyone can be more informed. If you've contacted me already about this, and want to confirm you place, please PM me. In the interest of privacy, I'm not going to post a buyer list.

Regards,

Brian

Question brian is the stage 2 streetable i emailed canzoomer 2 times but he nevered answer.if its in count me in .do i spend you a pm let me know my email is argentinonj@aol.com thanks

The streetability of stage 2 depends on the midpipe kit you use. The stage 2 pushes exhaust gas temps way out of range of the stock exhaust system and catalytic convertor, so they need to be replaced with high temp units. With CZ's midpipe4, you get a random tech high temp/flow cat, and a magnaflow resonator. this in combination with a quality aftermarket exhaust ought to keep the noise within reason. anything less, and it will be loud. If you're in an emissions controlled state, you'll likely fail as the OEM cat has been replaces. aside from the noise and the emissions everything else is just fine, it runs on 91 octane gas. check out CZ's site for more options.

thanks brian for the information count me in on stage 2

go ahead and PM me with you full name and email. Email just makes it easier for me to mail everyone at once instead of sending 5 PM's at a time.

Did Maurice resolve the coilpack issue on the Stage II? Thanks.

Charles

Which issue are you referring to?

when roughly will we receive the units if we decide to buy or will that not be determined till all the places are filled?


andrew

At the latest, I will close the deal on the 16th. Whether or not I have 25 buyers then determines the price. If I get 25 before then, I'll close it then. It will be 3-4 weeks between then and receipt of the units, as I have to collect payment, make the wire, wait to them to come in (2-4 weeks), and then ship them back out to you all.

BTW: If anyone has reservations about sending some stranger $530, I'll have a vouch list in about a week when the buyers from the first GB receive their units. Please don't bother Maurice, as he doesn't know me outside of this. I can provide proof of payment to him from the first GB if you need it.

epitrochoid,

Tried pm'ing you but your box is full. I want in on this order if there is room still available, I'm willing and able to send money today!

Kevin

epitrochoid,

My email is katnkevin2001@yahoo.com

I hope that I am on the list still. Im ready. Let me know. Thanks

Jeremy

Hi epitrochoid, Im interested in a group buy for stage 1, please add me too!

email: schan@intercrews.com

Thanx!

I am interested in getting on the list for a Stage 1.

Your private message mailbox is currently full.

Thanks,
Hskr8

Count me in for stage 1 (PM full)

epitrochoid, epitrochoid, epitrochoid, Come in epitrochoid....

Yes, please let those of us know if we are on the list or not, as there are other group buys in the works, and just to be fair, if we didn't make it, it allows us some flexibility to go another route.

Thanks in advance,
Hskr8

add me in! janddnsxtacy@aol.com

I am in for the Stage 1. epitrochoid, can you confirm by PM'ing me?

i want in on this group buy. send me a pm

My apologies for the PM box thing, I wasn't aware I was so close to the limit. I've been out of town since Saturday.

Everyone that's posted is on the list now too. And my PM box is cleared.

Sorry again

Did you get my PM??
If not count me in for a stage 1 too.

Mike Keller
lsu5235@hotmail.com
Thanks!!

yea, i got it

Thanks for the pm epitrochoid, I take it all warranties and everything are like as if we ordered directly?

yes, all updates, warrantees, etc are just as if you paid full price.

So when is all this going down? Can't wait... hehehe

I've exported the buyer list from Access, and it's viewable at

http://www.ucfcarclub.com/cz1.html

There's two pages and the date is correct as to the last update. If you're not on this list and you need to be, PM me. I've had alot of requests recently, so I might have missed you. If you're on the list and you're no longer interested, let me know and I'll take you off. The buyers listed under stage 0 have not told me which stage they are interested in.

This is a very rough list, and alot of people on it haven't responded back either way. I'll update the list and upload it as changes are made, so check back often.

Thanks for posting those lists epitrochoid!

Looks like you have 26, but I'm sure a couple will back out.

Let your buddies know about this Group Buy right away, as I'd rather pay the $520 and save the extra 15 bucks for a tank of gas or something.

Yeah, there's bound to be a few who've backed out. For the most part, everyone that's listed under stage 1 or 2 is in for sure, so it's the unconfirmed people that we'll have to worry about.

saw the list.. am i down for the Stage 1? 'cuz that's what i'd like.. hehhehe:D

when?

list updated

epitrochoid,

Please move me to the Stage 1 list - Thanks.

done

Stage 1 for me please. :D

Thank you

i appreciate you guys chiming in and helpin me out with this. saves me the time from having to ask everyone :)

Finally decided that the best way to use my tax refund is on Canzoomer Stage 1. Count me in on the list Epitrochoid! When does the group buy close and proceed?

EPITROCHOID, make sure you still have me for stage 2 :D

Stage 1 Please!!!

The last couple of you that have PM'd me have been updated on the list.

Since I have nearly 30 tentatives, I'm going to start asking for confirmations. In the current GB, Maurice has pushed the ship date back by about a month now due to the 1.1 development. You will receive a PM or email asking for a verbal contract, if you're no longer interested tell me now. If you're still in, be advised that it will be probably 10-14 days until I accept payment and then it could be as long as 4 weeks from then until you get your unit. Hopefully, it will be less than that, but I can't make any promises as these are hand assembled. The period between your payment and receipt of the goods will be less than or equal to that of those that would buy driectly outside of a GB.

the list is now updated.

i will get those that have confirmed on there as soon as I figure out how to get access to let me export yes/no data objects to HTML :cool:

I would like the stage #1. Please add me to the list.
Thanks

Thanks for putting me on the list.

Chuck

Originally posted by chrisspot
I would like the stage #1. Please add me to the list.
Thanks

You're on the list. Please PM me with your name and email.

You can put me down as a definite. I want this mod!!!!! Thanks

Jeremy

Sorry to get back two weeks later, but the coilpack "issue" to which I was referring involved the coilpacks overheating(or at least the possibility thereof). In RX Tuner Mag Maurice stated that the Stage 2 kit will have more aggressive ignition timing changes and that alternative coil packs are being considered.

Any new info would be appreciated. Thanks

Charles

Hello charles were did you here this as i spoke to maurice about stage 2 and never mention this all he said was to replace my cat.iam on the list for stage 2 so if you have any more information please let us know.

hello all. I am new to this forum. I have been following this forum for a while. Epitrochoid, add me to the stage 1 list. (meedi1@yahoo.com)

By the way, does anyone know what the horsepower at the wheels and at the crank would be after this mod?

Thanks

horsepower for stage 1 is 20 to 25 hp and stage 2 should be 40 to 45 hp.if you look in the list theres a place that says canzzomer there you will find all topics about his piggy back ecu.good luck

Stage 1.0 Dyno

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18178

I haven't seen any stage 1.1 or 2 dynos.

when will you be closing this and need the money by

as soon as 10 more people confirm. I have 15 now.

hey epitrochoid, I figure you are already, but hoping you are working with Canzoomer on the timing of this GB, so as to not flood those guys with orders that will take more than a few weeks to fulfill. (i.e. GB#1 going on as well as other orders)

If you're on the list, (and haven't done so) please confirm to epitrochoid.

I'm so stoked about getting a stage 1

This mod is gonna be so cool to have this summer!

didnt you have over 20 people,our are people not going through with it.how many are people you going for?

he had 30, and was going for 25 (confirmed) I believe for the best discount.

Thanks for the info. I am quite disappointed that the horsepower at the wheels is not more (169). That makes getting this mod that more substantial. Epitrochoid, I am definitely in. Let me know when you will be closing this out. Thanks

By the way, does anyone know what the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times would be with this mod on a stock rx8?

I'm in for a stage 2.

OK, if this GB is still open count me in for a Stage I kit. I was hoping to get the "L" flash done to my car before getting it, but I don't know when/if I'll get it done.

I got back to you guys that PMed me.

I had over 30 inquiries, but as always, people are bound to flake, and that's why I ask for the confirmation. I have 22 confirmations now. 3 MORE TO GO!!!

As far as the order goes, it really doesnt make a different how large the order is. However, I am able to place the order in queue with Maurice a week or two before it's time for me to pay him. I will place the order in queue once I have all confirmations.

Originally posted by meedi1
...By the way, does anyone know what the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times would be with this mod on a stock rx8?

There are several dyno's that have been done by canzoomer (see his section under vendors) and while I don't think there are a whole lot of posted times, I would suspect that this mod will shave a half second or more off your 1/4 mile time.

I'm thinking it will likely average in the low 14's and for a few, maybe the high 13's depending on your car, and how hard you drive/launch it.

Normally, the stock car seems to be averaging from mid to high 14's and some very low 15's, so this is just speculation based upon things I have read.

Epitrochoid, I just sent you a PM with my confirmation. Count me in and let me know if yiu need anything else.

Hskr8, thanks for the info. By the way, any idea what the 0-60 times would be?

Originally posted by meedi1
Hskr8, thanks for the info. By the way, any idea what the 0-60 times would be?

Meedi1 check this thread here: http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21909

Also, Canzoomer notes that these runs were done under less than ideal situations and so he says the difference between the runs is what should be looked at, rather than the actual times.

In the 3rd graph, he gets better than a full second reduction in 0-60 time.

Improved gas mileage is also evident with the stage 1.

Hope this helps,
Hskr8

One of the pages in that thread shows a hp gain of about 40 hp with the "L" flash and the stage 1 mod. Am I reading this right? I it true?

I believe the dyno tests for the Stage 1 that I've seen have averaged about 20-25 rwhp, which would be somwhere around 30 hp at the crank. Adding a catback exhaust should add anywhere from 10-15 more chp I believe. I think Stage II is more like 40 rwhp gain.

Epitrochoid, did you count me in as confirmed? If not, go ahead and add me in. I'm just trying to decide if I want to get it for the "L" flash or not.

yeah, i got you

Originally posted by meedi1
One of the pages in that thread shows a hp gain of about 40 hp with the "L" flash and the stage 1 mod. Am I reading this right? I it true?

I've seen everything from 20 to 45 rwhp quoted.... by looking at the charts and the difference, 45 rwhp seems substantiated, although your personal mileage may vary.

Regardless of what the actual output is, it's high enough to make this the most sought after mod for the money.

You can do exhaust, which might gain you a little, but from the names that I trust, they say the stock exaust is actually pretty good, and so you might gain 5+ hp with a borla or other variant, but for the money, the stage1 is by far the best bang for the buck.

Just read what people post and I know there is allot out there, but somewhere in the middle, you should be able to draw your own conclusions.

HTH,
Hskr8

PS. I think the idea here for most, is to get the car back it's lost horsepower, and even then some. Allot of people, (including myself) have noticed better performance with the L reflash... I would say 3% gain maybe?

So even if this detracts from what the mod originally added, (read the threads)
it's sometimes hard to compare apples to oranges etc.

Bottom line in my analysis, the car gains it's hp back, and then some, and you get better mpg, and from others posts, those that tested this mod, ran neck to neck with their friends 350Z's, only noting that during low rpm pull the Z won, but higher rpm the 8 would catch up, and in the turns, the 8 easily went much faster.

Can I still get in? If so do I have to decide on the 'L' flash right now? I'm desperately trying to get my dealer to do it.

Originally posted by God of Thunder
Can I still get in? If so do I have to decide on the 'L' flash right now? I'm desperately trying to get my dealer to do it.

Canzoomer says it will work and be safe with the older flash, but will just work better with the new one.

first post on this link: http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21909&perpage=15&pagenumber=2

Thanks, that's good news.

But then what was this referring to?


Originally posted by DemonRX-8
I'm just trying to decide if I want to get it for the "L" flash or not.

The list has been updated with confirmations

http://www.ucfcarclub.com/cz1.html

Originally posted by epitrochoid
The list has been updated with confirmations

http://www.ucfcarclub.com/cz1.html


It says 0 for my name, what does that mean? I thought I sent you a confirmation that I'm in and willing to make payment as soon as it is requested.

Thanks.

God of Thunder,

I spoke w/ my dealer, and he said that they'll do the reflash for people who complain about gas mileage. (Cook Imports, Farmington Hills, MI)

wow Access sucks

i didn't notice that...i change it to group by confirmation status, so if you under the Yes box your confirmed

Please update me to confirmed...

After our PM exchange, I'm not sure why I would not be.

I there's an error, just let me know. I've had 123456543 PM's and Access isn't cooperating with me, so I might have missed you.

Originally posted by epitrochoid
I there's an error, just let me know. I've had 123456543 PM's and Access isn't cooperating with me, so I might have missed you.

I just sent you a PM titled "CZ1 Group Buy Confirmation - Xyntax"

Hope you got it.

Xyntax, I've had you confirmed. there was just an error when I generated the report to post online.

epitrochoid... any thoughts of adding the programming cable kit to this buy?

I'm assuming others would be interested as well...

Originally posted by epitrochoid
Xyntax, I've had you confirmed. there was just an error when I generated the report to post online.

Cool. That's no problem. Thanks!

Very sorry if I missed it, but how does one become confirmed?

let the jokes begin

Since you came on board later than most, you're already confirmed.

Originally posted by nebusm
God of Thunder,

I spoke w/ my dealer, and he said that they'll do the reflash for people who complain about gas mileage. (Cook Imports, Farmington Hills, MI)

This is a true statement, worked last week for me in San Diego.

I realize not everyone has such decent dealers, but for me, I bought mine in another city (lincoln), and just "asked for the latest flash", (to an omaha dealer, there are 3 of them I believe. I went to woodhouse that time) and it was done without hassle.

Confirmed it with the brake tap method, and am happy that it worked out in this neck of the woods without some big issue.

One more confirmation and we're done!!!!

Omicron might be bringing some people over from Rock Mountain RX-8 Club for a GB he was trying to do, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

when will the products be availible in this buy?

I will probably place the order tomorrow. So between 2 and 4 weeks from then. The same as if you order direct from Maurice.

If you're in let me know ASAP, as once I place the order I can't add any more buyers.

I am interested in getting the stage two unit with the laptop cable how much will this be?

I now have 25 confirmed buyers. I will close the GB to additional buyers on Friday the 26th at 12 eastern. If you're interested, your payment will be due by April 3rd. Check the rest of this thread for more info, or PM me.

I've also modified the list to display the payment status.

Originally posted by FoxPerformance
I am interested in getting the stage two unit with the laptop cable how much will this be?

Stage two is $520. I cannot get GB pricing on the data cable, however I can add that to your order.

Originally posted by epitrochoid
Stage two is $520. I cannot get GB pricing on the data cable, however I can add that to your order.

So Stage 1/2 + datacable/sw is $595 (520+75)?

FYI... your list only shows 24 people... another error?

No, I have one buyer that isn't a forum member, so he doesn't show up.

Originally posted by crazy4h20
So Stage 1/2 + datacable/sw is $595 (520+75)?

Yes. If you want me to order a data cable for you, please include that in the note with your payment. This will bring your price to $612.85 if paying via paypal.

Come on people, make your payment! I'm getting anxious about this :) :p :D

So what's the scoop on the GB. I thought today was the drop dead date

Yeah, we are on the process of making our payments. Epitrochoid will be making the order this week.

the rocky mountain rx8 club is bringing some people over with us, so I'm giving it until monday. payment deadline is the same.

Just sent my payment thru paypal.

it has been scribed!

thank you guys for being so quick to pay, it really makes it easier on me.

Originally posted by Rotary787
Just sent my payment thru paypal.


epitrochoid,

I havn't used Paypal since last year, did you already post an account or address to send funds to or am I missing something here? Also, if the final total (+ 3%) 540.75 for Paypal users?

Please do tell us how to proceed with Payment. I have been waiting on a P/M or E-mail, but haven't seen anything.

Thanks

hmm...

seems like alot of people didn't get the memo. i counted 24 addresses when i sent it, so i must have the wrong addy on file. if you havent recieved the email, please PM me ASAP with you current email address!!!

epitrochoid, we've got one more late breaking Rocky Mountain RX-8 club member wanting to get in on this...

Originally posted by epitrochoid
hmm...

seems like alot of people didn't get the memo. i counted 24 addresses when i sent it, so i must have the wrong addy on file. if you havent recieved the email, please PM me ASAP with you current email address!!! I have yahoo and when I got the email it showed up in my bulk spam email. Alot of people dont read that they just empty it. I dont know what all emails have that feature where you can block spam, but thats what might have happened. Cant wait to get this!!!

Jeremy

Yeah, for some reason Outlook placed all replies to my message in the trash by default...i've since overridden it, but if you havent got the mail, check your trash. or PM me and I'll forward it to you.

can someone forward me the email? Epit PM'd me it but I accidently deleted it. Thanks, guy@vivanetcorp.com

Originally posted by JERCS
can someone forward me the email? Epit PM'd me it but I accidently deleted it. Thanks, guy@vivanetcorp.com

I pm'd you with the email...


Friday is quickly approaching guys, let's get paid up!

Just sent my payment for the stage 1! Thanks!
-Doc
:cool:

We're getting there!! The list has been updated

sent my payment for the stage 1

sent half :D other half within a day or two

Brian, I just paid via Paypal. Now I will be able to sleep at night. :D

Almost there! Let's get this rolling you guys! :D

Three questions:

1. Is the due date Friday (April 2) or April 3 (Saturday)? The original email said Friday, April 3.

2. Did the vouch list from the first buy ever get posted? Epitrochoid posted on 3/3 that there would be one.

3. Has the order been placed? There have been several posts that it's going to happen "tomorrow" or "soon", but I have yet to see a post on CZ's GB thread or one here saying it is in.

I'm not trying to be rude... just careful. We're talking some significant coinage here.

As for the posts to "hurry up", please refer to epitrochoid's original post that those paying via Paypal can do it last day. Plus, Friday is payday.

I'm with Crazy4h20. I would also like to see the vouch list before sending on the cash

Thanks

Alright guys here's the deal, I'll try and answer everyone.

1. The due date is Friday, April 2nd, but due to slow communication with Maurice, and the fact I still have people asking to get in, I'm going to keep it open for the rest of the weekend. If you're paying by paypal, please pay ASAP as it takes 2-3 business days for the funds to clear into my account.

2. There is no vouch list as of yet, and there likely wont be one until a week or so after payment deadline. The buyer's havent recieved the units, because I don't have them yet. We're all aware of the shipping delays, every customer of his expierences them. Maurice has pushed the ship date for the first GB back several times, right now we're at 7 weeks since I made the wire to him. Stage 1.1 development took place completely between then and now, so hopefully we wont expierence the same delays this time around. Last I heard from him, they we're going to be shipped this week, but I contacted him today about this order and have yet to hear back from him.

3. I CANNOT place the order until I am sure beyond a doubt that I will have all that money in my hand come time to make the wire. Right now, I have 11 people confirmed that have not made payment. A handful of them have said payment is in the mail, and that's ok. The rest have said nothing. Just keep in mind that I don't have the excess capital laying around to place an order larger than what I've been paid for. I'm just a guy doing this out of kindness to the members of this board.


I understand that I promised a vouch list, and I do not have one. If you'd like to leave the GB, I understand. It hasn't been a problem for most however.

If you have any questions please feel free to ask.

I guess I could understand all the changes to plan if this was the first buy. Given that it is the second, I'm confused. Can you please explain to all of us specific reasons (e.g., new info) that have caused you to change the terms of this buy? (e.g., Paypal timing, "CANNOT place" vs. no more buyers after order is placed (3/23))

Also, do you still expect turn-around in 4 weeks as previously stated or is it 8 weeks as many are currently experiencing?

he allready said he called in the order in to maurice.from a pevious post.from what i recall.

The reason for most of these changes has been from the fact the some guys from the rocky mountain RX-8 club have come on board with us. Yes, this will benefit us, as it's inevitable that even after confirming some are liable to flake out. Since I've set the quantity to at least 25, if we only have 24, I'm going to have to make serious changes to the buy, including raising the price. That's my main concern, especially since so many of the non-payers have not contacted me. It's just a safety net that will keep me from having to find more buyers last minute or possibly cancel the GB and refund the money.

The order has not been turned in because I can't get ahold of Maurice. Even so, some people are still on the fence, like you guys, and I can't very well order you units and then have you decide you're not interested. Do you understand? Most people are fine and have either paid, told me it's on the way, or told me they were no longer interested. It's easier that way as I can look at my list and say, OK I have X number of people that have paid.

Unfortunately the turn around will about the same as what everyone else is expierencing. I really don't think Maurice has the excess capacity to cover an order of this size, so it's going to have to go as normal production.

Check back this afternoon, I'll call Maurice today until his phone explodes. Looking at my list now, I have 11 that haven't paid. I'm going to place the order for 30 units, even though I have 31 confirmed. If need be I'll sacrifice my own unit.

Thanks for all your efforts Brian. Everybody, hurry up and decide!
crazy4h20 chill out bro. To me it is worth the wait. :D

well, everyone's entitled to be skeptical, and it's my job to answer their questions and make then feel better about this "investment"

good thing I'm going into finance :)

This has likely been a pain in the ass for Brian, and I do remember seeing Canzoomer's post (for the first group buy) that payment had been received.

Brian also stated that Canzoomer would do the same this time around, and like some of you, I was also a little hesitant to send 5 bills to someone I didn't know as well.

You have to make your own decisions, and after Brian answered my email, I was ok with going ahead on this.

No big sell job, just info on the issues he faces which I think he has tried to communicate to everyone.

Brian was very clear that he doesn't have the 13 or so thousand dollars to place the order, this is why he wanted payment ahead of time.

It does take paypal a few days to transfer money into one's bank account.

No one was trying to bother anyone with hurry up messages, but really, more so a reminder that the deadline was getting close. Allot of people are also really excited about getting this, so the enthusiasm among most people is something to note as well.

Brian also made it clear, he couldn't wire the money until he had the cash.

Some of you guys do need to chill out a little, and while your points are valid, you should take them up with Brian personally.

It's a free country, do what you want.

I'm just kinda sticking up for him, as I can only imagine the pain this has been, and if it were me, I'd only do it once, and say to heck with the problems and headaches of organizing such a thing.

Most of us are excited and greatful that Brian has taken this on (twice) and I have yet to hear of anyone make any kind of claim that would lead me to believe that there was any kind of risk in going ahead with this.

With that, I'll get off my soapbox.

Regards,
Hskr8

epitrochoid,

Sent you a pm. Money going into paypal today (payday!!). I for one, appreciate all your work here to put this together along with a few others. Thankyou.

Yes epitrochoid thank you for managing this project!

Yes epitrochoid, I realy appreciate what you done so far for this (those) GB.
If some people are not confortable with GB, they can order directely (and pay more). I understand it's not so easy to organize a project like this and I'm very happy that some people like you be devoted for the gain of all. Keep continue, you have my support.

Brian, whenever you come down to Miami let me buy you a beer!!

thanks for the praise guys, I really appreciate it!

and thanks to those of you that have given me the details on your payment status. i can sleep better at night knowing that it's at least on the way.

Payment made brian thanks.

Brian sent you a pm..trying to get in on stage 1..new member thanks

I find it interesting how everyone jumps on the defensive when a couple of simple questions are asked. The funny part is that I'm not so much a skeptic as much as someone just looking for straight answers.

I've got no beef with Brian. I think what he is doing is great. Coordinating something like this is a thankless task. That being said, he signed up for it... no one forced him to do it. With that choice comes responsibility. Specifically, the responsibility to meet commitments made and communicate any changes clearly. This is where I take issue. As a result, I may drop out, but I haven't made a final call yet. When I do, I will let him know.

As for why I post here instead of PMing... this is a group buy and everyone in the group is entitled to the same information. If some are getting it and others are not, that is not right.

Peace.

Payment mailed out yesterday (Thurs) and I briefly spoke to you over the phone. Ordered STAGE 1.1... Thanks for the legwork Brian.

I placed the order for 34 units: 29 Stage 1's and 5 Stage 2's. Maurice said 4-5 is the standard wait time these days. I'll have a few more details when he gets back with me.

4-5 weeks aint bad. I was going to have probems if it was 8-10 weeks.

Brian, you state that 29 were stage 1's - I'm assuiming you are keeping track of which of those are with and without the L flash, correct?

FWIW... I'm in. Payment made today via Paypal.

whenever i use stage 1, i mean 1.1

stage 1 is no longer avalible. stage 1.1 works fine with K flash or L flash. but while we're all waiting, it might help pass the time by pestering your dealer for a reflash :D

Thanks for your work on this epitroc.

My payment cleared paypal mid-week last week. Glad to heard Canzoomer said 4-5 weeks and not 4-5 months.

When should we expect Maurice to post that he's received the money?

OK,

Since the mail is incredibly slow, I waited another day before looking for replacements. I recieved 2 money orders today, but that still leaves 3 positions to be filled. I emailed the non payers to see if perhaps it's just delayed in the mail, but chances are I wont here back from them at all. I have had two people contact me after the close date, and they will be given an oppurtunity to make payment ASAP, but that still leaves one more spot. So, if you're out there, and you want a cheap CZ unit, nows the time to act.

Current buyers: Don't worry about how long it takes me to hunt down the last guy, your order is in queue. I don't really have to make payment until a week or two before the ship date, I just make it as early as possible to calm everyone's fears. Again, once I make the wire Maurice will post in his forum that he has recieved the funds. From here on, I will make weekly updates, here and via email to keep everyone posted on the status.

Thanks for the update epitrochoid!

Thanks!

Thanks! I hope you received my payment

Yeah, the 3 guys that didn't pay have been on the board in weeks anyway. The list online is up to date as well.

http://www.ucfcarclub.com/cz1.html

Brian just sent payment,thanks for getting me in stage1.1

1 down, 2 to go...

BEAUTIFUL!! And here I was about to choke someone at Paypal for the lack of transaction speed!! No worries.

Kevin



Originally posted by epitrochoid
OK,

Since the mail is incredibly slow, I waited another day before looking for replacements. I recieved 2 money orders today, but that still leaves 3 positions to be filled. I emailed the non payers to see if perhaps it's just delayed in the mail, but chances are I wont here back from them at all. I have had two people contact me after the close date, and they will be given an oppurtunity to make payment ASAP, but that still leaves one more spot. So, if you're out there, and you want a cheap CZ unit, nows the time to act.

Current buyers: Don't worry about how long it takes me to hunt down the last guy, your order is in queue. I don't really have to make payment until a week or two before the ship date, I just make it as early as possible to calm everyone's fears. Again, once I make the wire Maurice will post in his forum that he has recieved the funds. From here on, I will make weekly updates, here and via email to keep everyone posted on the status.

What's the current status? Based on the list looks like we have the commitment met.

"So, if you're out there, and you want a cheap CZ unit, nows the time to act."

I am interesting your offer, but i don't know how to do next. please help me. epitrochoid. can you give me some details about the process.
:D

Originally posted by epitrochoid
OK,

Since the mail is incredibly slow, I waited another day before looking for replacements. I recieved 2 money orders today, but that still leaves 3 positions to be filled. I emailed the non payers to see if perhaps it's just delayed in the mail, but chances are I wont here back from them at all. I have had two people contact me after the close date, and they will be given an oppurtunity to make payment ASAP, but that still leaves one more spot. So, if you're out there, and you want a cheap CZ unit, nows the time to act.

Current buyers: Don't worry about how long it takes me to hunt down the last guy, your order is in queue. I don't really have to make payment until a week or two before the ship date, I just make it as early as possible to calm everyone's fears. Again, once I make the wire Maurice will post in his forum that he has recieved the funds. From here on, I will make weekly updates, here and via email to keep everyone posted on the status.

i am very interesting the stage1/2, so give some details about the process. my email: liangzhuhua@yahoo.com THANK YOU VERY MUCH, epitrochoid

paypal's payment time is slow, but the time it takes to wire funds to a bank account is even slower. Again though, this wont delay our order.

Brian - I emailed you the payment info.

I'm waiting to here back from one guy to see if he sent the cash, and if he didn't I have someone else ready to go. With brian_rx and this guy we'll be all set to go.

epitrochoid, so i can't jump in the GB#2 until you sure that guy wouldn't sent you the cash.

I would like to jump in and grab a stage 2 if you havent ordered yet, I will paypal today if you can add me on to get a stage 2 at that price. I will PM you with my Phone number. Call me and I will paypal the funds While you are on the phone.

Thanks,

Slavearm

no, you're in.

I had two people that didn't pay. One of them said he was going to mail payment, but I haven't heard anything since. The other guy has fallen off the face of the earth, so youre taking his spot. I've got someone else waiting for word from the other guy.

Originally posted by slavearm
I would like to jump in and grab a stage 2 if you havent ordered yet, I will paypal today if you can add me on to get a stage 2 at that price. I will PM you with my Phone number. Call me and I will paypal the funds While you are on the phone.

Thanks,

Slavearm

it may be too late for you, I've got most of my holes filled. I'm at work, but let me check my files when I get home and I'll let you know for sure.

I may do another GB in the future, I'll let you know

hmmm... that blows, you don't think Maurice would accept 26 =). Well drop me a line, I am certified paypal and ebay up the yinyang, so I you need cash in minutes, i can provide that service.

Slavearm

i'd like to jump in as well if it's at all possible. maurice won't mind 27 would he?? i'd be able to paypal by monday.

i think epitrochoid will create GB#3 soonly because this forum seem like getting bigger and bigger. man, we have to thank you for this guy. he had done the great job for us.:D

Others joining in are fine. As long as it doesn't delay my bundle of joy.

Keep up the good work epitrochoid!

its not that I can't add to the order, but I'd just rather not. I've orderd 34 units, and if I add just a few more, that could push our ship date back even farther, and that's unfair to those that got in early.

but since you caught me in a good mood, stay tuned for CZ GB #3 :D

OK. i am waiting the GB#3, thank you man.

i'm in for group 3. can't wait!!!

Does anyone know if maurice got the money?

If he did, it would have been posted in CZ's GB thread

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20663

I'll probably make the wire on Wednesday. The bank is holding ~$500 from the money order deposits I made since I've opened another account to keep all this seperate from my personal funds. They will clear into my acct tomorrow.

I will be in for GB#3 also. So keep me posted!! Hopefully this one will be around the June timeframe and I am in for sure!!!

I am definitely in too. I was going to wait for Stage 2 to come out but it seems that more investigation needs to be done by Maurice and the gang to finalize the specs.

It would be great to start a new thread so that people, myself, dont get confused.

thankx!

Or so those in #2 don't get excited when they see another post has been made in this thread.;)

Oops I did it again.

I'm curious to those who have or want to order the stage two. When is it actually going to be out? I'm in for the group buiy in that case..

im actually working on a php script that will take alot of the emailing and posting out of the process.

What process? I love all of the emails I currently get.. Maybe I am in the minority... or are you not talking about this site....

you all may love them, but it's just a pain in the ass for me to have to poll the members to gather interest, make a confirmation, collect shipping info, send out payment info...

i could have all the information entered on a php form and the payment info provided automatically. buyers could check the status of their order without having to ask and without clogging this forum up with traffic

Originally posted by davefzr
What process? I love all of the emails I currently get.. Maybe I am in the minority... or are you not talking about this site....

He's not talking about the RX-8 forum website.

He's referring to the process of of emailing everyone about thier orders regarding the group buy, as it's allot of email, organizing, etc.

Again, this has nothing to do with the emails you receive on this RX8Club website as a whole.

Hope this helps,
Hskr8

Originally posted by epitrochoid

i could have all the information entered on a php form and the payment info provided automatically. buyers could check the status of their order without having to ask and without clogging this forum up with traffic

That's a great idea !
It seems to me that you really like to manage GB ;) and I'm sure many of us appreciate your engagement.
In fact, I really think that's the way this kind of GB should work in the future; the communication between all members will be more efficient and fewer posts will be necessary (hopefully)

Thanks again for your great job, epitrochoid.

Originally posted by epitrochoid
I'll probably make the wire on Wednesday. The bank is holding ~$500 from the money order deposits I made since I've opened another account to keep all this seperate from my personal funds. They will clear into my acct tomorrow.

So... what's the latest/greatest?

still looking for one last buyer...

Are any in the pipeline? How long do you plan to wait?

Originally posted by epitrochoid
still looking for one last buyer...

Why are we looking for one last buyer? Thought we had 34 or so.

Originally posted by God of Thunder
Why are we looking for one last buyer? Thought we had 34 or so. Thats what I thought too?? So we are still looking at a 4-5 week wait after you get the last buyer??

Originally posted by epitrochoid
still looking for one last buyer...

You got him! What do I have to do?
Send cheque? PayPal? Let me know, my tax refund came in and I told CZ that I'd order when it did!

Well according to epitrochoid he had everyone he needed,he made the order at least 1 to 2 weeks before we gave the money so that leaves us waiting roughly another 2 to 3 weeks from what he said. He never mention he was short on people,so iam still going by what he says i should see my unit in 2 to 3 weeks.if things have changed were we need to wait another 5 weeks iam out and expect a refund.

What's up with this last buyer? I hope this doesn't compromise our order.

the buyer has been found.

and if you read my previous posts, you'll see that this has no bearing on when our order is shipped. i have up until 2 weeks before shipment to make payment.

Ok cool. I was just wanting to know when to be expecting it. Ill wait as long as it takes. Thanks again.

Ok, I've got the 34th payment, finally :P

Check the list one last time to 1) make sure you're on it! and 2) to verify your stage. If the stage listed is wrong, just let me know, as it can be changed.

http://www.ucfcarclub.com/cz1.html

For those interested in stage 2, be advised that stage 2 is likely going to go under redevelopment, so there could be a delay on it. It's software redevelopment, so any unit can be updated to newer stage 2 spec.

Will the stage 2 delays result in delayed shipment for those that ordered stage 1?

No.

In fact, I'm advising all stage 2 buyers to go ahead with stage 1 for now, and then if stage 2.1(my working title for it anyway :P) is finished before out ship date, I'll have them flash that on before they send it.

Originally posted by God of Thunder
Or so those in #2 don't get excited when they see another post has been made in this thread.;)

Oops I did it again.

Well, I don't want to make yet another post, but...
first off; thanks for putting together this group buy! I know what a pain it can be trying to organize this sort of thing. Could you let me know when you are going to start the next one? I'm sure that the Rocky Mountain Club can throw some more names and orders in there...
Thanks again!
-Doccable

Epitrochoid,

Could just clarify the expected delivery time. I do know that this can be a little dicey with CZ. But when do you think these will be shipping to you?

Thanks again for your efforts.

2001F4S

When I placed the order, I was told 3-5 weeks, so that puts us in the middle of next month.

But, my first GB's ship date has been pushed back 23454323 times, and we're sitting at about 10 weeks right now. Dicey is right...

I don't mean for this to come across the wrong way, but I know some of you are weary about extended waiting time for this unit. If the wait becomes too long for you, you are allowed to transfer your position to someone else. This means, since they wont have to wait as long as everyone else on the board, you can charge a bit of a premium. Or if you decide to take another tuning route (racing beat, etc) you can bite the $520 until the unit comes in and then sell it for a much higher price to someone that can have it shipped that same day.

I had a guy on my first GB that did this, since he sold his car, and I believe he picked up about $50 profit by selling his spot. I'm not suggesting everyone go and do this, but the option is available if you change your mind, and trust me, the buyers are definately out there.

DOH! it's all good.. i'll wait.. it's worth it.. as long as i get to use it this summer!

Thanks for the update epitrochoid.

Even though you don't have to send payment to CZ right away, it would make us all feel better if you could as soon as possible, so that CZ can post that the monies have been received.

I think allot of us are itching to get a hold of our units, and yeah, the delay (which is to be expected) still sucks... i.e. when a man has paid and has to sit and wait in anticipation for the goods...

It's kinda like that old girlfriend who teased you to no end, but when she did finally put out, it was worth the wait.

Hopefully, that was a good analogy :)

OHHH THE DAYS HOW I REMEMBER :D

Is group buy #2 locked right now for those of us interested in joining? I'll sign up for #3 if this is the case. If there is a third.

Thankx!

lol. yeah I understand, I made the last paypal transfer to my bank account so once that clears I'll make the wire.

Originally posted by epitrochoid - 4/1
I placed the order for 34 units: 29 Stage 1's and 5 Stage 2's. Maurice said 4-5 is the standard wait time these days. I'll have a few more details when he gets back with me.

Originally posted by epitrochoid - 4/17
and if you read my previous posts, you'll see that this has no bearing on when our order is shipped. i have up until 2 weeks before shipment to make payment.

Originally posted by epitrochoid - 4/19
When I placed the order, I was told 3-5 weeks, so that puts us in the middle of next month.

Qualifier... I'm not trying to be a pain... fact is you are holding quite a bit of our collective cash.

Today (4/22), we are at 3 weeks after the order was placed. Taking the 5 week (worst case) timeline, payment must be made today in order to meet the 2 weeks before shipment deadline. Shipment of units to you would then occur around 5/6. Assuming a week to get to you and then a week to get the units out to all of us, we should receive our units around 5/20.

Based on the information given to-date, this is my expectation. Is this realistic? Are there any updates?

i also wanted to know if you spoke to maurice and if things are starting to look normal meaning we will get are ecu on time. thanks

Sorry i havent posted, I was waiting for Maurice to post that he got my wire...

Either he didn't get it yet, or just hasn't posted. Should have it definately by the end of today.

Epitrochoid,

Have the ECU's been delivered from the first GB. I would think that would be some indication of whether CZ is getting any closer to his promised delivery times.

Originally posted by 2001F4S
Epitrochoid,

Have the ECU's been delivered from the first GB. I would think that would be some indication of whether CZ is getting any closer to his promised delivery times.

Exactly what I was thinking too...

^ +1

Epitrochoid,

I'd like to say thanks also for putting the GB together. I'm sure it's a major hassle to put something like this together - especially for little or no return - so kudos to you. But I'm sure you can understand how people get antsy (sp?) when they have 5+ bills floating out there, so any and all updates you give are well appreciated.

No, they havent. 5 of the units are ready, the other half will be in next week. or so i hear...

of course we all know how it goes with CZ

The wire's been made and Maurice has it. I'm waiting for him to post and give a better estimate for the #2 GB units when he confirms that payment has been made.

No post from Maurice... status?

we should see are units in about 2 weeks he said if theres was a delay in shipment he would let us know.

Thanks, but I would like a response from our GB coordinator. From where I stand, CZ has not received the money. I would like to be told when things have happened rather than assume they have happened unless we are told otherwise.

Originally posted by crazy4h20
Thanks, but I would like a response from our GB coordinator. From where I stand, CZ has not received the money. I would like to be told when things have happened rather than assume they have happened unless we are told otherwise.

Exactly. I don't mind dropping 5 bills, and don't mind waiting. Having purchased from CZ before, I know that it does take a little time. I also know how tough it is to organize anything of this nature, and I'm sure that epitrochoid is on top of it. If there is anything new, I'm sure he'll relay it to us. If I don't hear anything in a few weeks, maybe - maybe I'll contact him to ask what's happening. Otherwise, a little patience goes a very long way. :)

hey guys...the wire has been made, he has the money (or at least I know I don't have it!). i called him today, but it seemed to be too late and they had closed, so I expect to hear from him tomorrow.

CZ must be out boat shopping with his new found windfall.
I guess more likely snowmobile shopping

I sent everyone an email, as I will be doing from now on. If you didn't get it, PM me your correct and most active email so I can update it.

I have not recieve an email, i private messaged you too .could someone tell me whats going on? are we getting the canzoomer stages on time?

Can you post or email proof of the wire?

Originally posted by crazy4h20
Can you post or email proof of the wire?

epitrochoid, this is a reasonable request.

I know allot of us are ancy to get their goods, and it's on CZ to get the production going and orders fulfilled, but I think allot of people would feel better if we could hit certain "mile-markers", and proof of the wire would help cross that marker for many out there since this is a large group.

Thanks in advance,
Hskr8

did anyone try to contact canzoomer today ,i was but he said in a previous thread that he does not want peolple calling him from group buys its the responsibility of the one who set up the group buy to call .brian called him but he did not give him an update.how much longer are we looking at if any

the wire confirmation is Maurice's responsibility, so if you call him and he gives you shit just let him know that I've asked him 4 times to do it. aside from that, there's no other way I can confirm the order aside from scanning and posting the wire receipt which contains private information concerning my bank accounts.

Please scan the wire receipt, edit out the sensitive information (using Paint), and post it here. Thank you.

.

Thanks epitrochoid! Appreciate you going the extra mile!

Thanks so much epitrochoid.

NP guys

canzoomer responded.

Thanks much! CZ also posting makes me feel much better.

Still were looking for over a month for shipping i garantee that, he said 3 + that does not sound good.according to brian he let him know about this order 2 weeks before we even made payments iam very dissappointed.

here is the link to the thread: http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20663

Also, I've seen a post where he states they are reworking the units just a little to do better with L & M flashes, and I think we all knew this would take a little while.

I figure we should have our units sometime in June, so even though it's tough, we just need a little patience.

Damn Canadians. This is another country we need to annex. I bet the shipping would be alot faster than.

I will reiterate the fact that I cannot and will not issue refunds. Why? Because I would have to write a check out of my personal funds to anyone and everyone that decided they're no longer interested. When I made the wire, your collective money was sent to Maurice. He has it, there's no getting it back. If you're tired of waiting, you're free to sell your spot to someone else and I've provided details on that earlier in the thread. That's the closest I can get you to a true refund, but you will have to take care of that on your own. I've done my time finding all 33 of you guys.

This situation is not unique to this group buy. Read in CZ's forum. The fact of the matter is, there is a waiting period for these units. Now, I could have held on to your money until the day before they were ready to ship, but the terms were set that the wire would me made once all the funds had cleared to my account.

I apologize if this seems harsh, but I carefully set the terms of this GB for a reason. If it was an extinuating circumstance, I'd be more understanding, but if I issue one refund to someone that's changed his mind, I have to issue it to everyone that wants one. Then I'm out $16,534 and I have 33 Stage 1 units collecting dust. I hope you understand my position.

As one who was lucky enough to buy someone else's spot all I can say is that your position is quite realistic, epitrochoid.
When you buy a custom-made product from a small outfit you often have to wait to get it. Hey, folks who are buying direct (and paying more!) are having to wait too. And let's not bad-mouth Canada; it's a lovely country and even the hookers are polite (no sh*t!).

Canada gave us Ice Hockey the greatest sport on earth. They also gave us Sarah Mclachlan!! Brian, good job man! thanks for organizing this group buy. If I have to wait, I'll wait. In the mean time I'll enjoy my car the way it is. :D

Brian,

Good enough for me. If we have to wait, we have to wait. A deal is a deal.

Thanks for your work on this.

Jeff

I've got no prob in waiting as well... thanks Brian

Thanks for all your work Brian.

I am looking for a stage one. Brian said he had a few ppl express interest in maybe selling theirs for a refund... If this is the case. I am willing a ready to get my hands on one. I can pay whenever needed. Thanks for you help! PM me...

GSXSTAR is taken care of now...any other takers can PM me and I'll see if I can set you up with someone looking to refund.

...

RXHusker just got back from the track.. a 2+ mile or so road course, and he has the L flash, and the latest Stage 1 plus a borla... this is what he had to say.... (hope he doesn't mind me quoting him)


" I started to get the hang of it and actually passed two cars in the straights (because they couldn't keep speed coming out of the corners) -- now take this for what it is worth -- and I preface this by saying that I was smoked by one Corvette -- but I did PASS a Vette coming out of the tightest corners into a short straight away. I also passed some sort of track only racing car that is apparently sponsored by a local hair salon (based on the decals). Got up to a top speed of 118 on the back stretch. You really use 3rd gear most of the time -- two spots to get into 4th and a couple of shifts down into 2nd.

The instructor was a Porsche club guy -- he was very impressed with the 8.
"

Anyway, summer is approaching, and I am going to try to hit the track with him and my stock 8 on Saturday, so you can bet that I am itching to get our zoomer units asap.

(I know I have to wait, just posting some fun and great commentary from a local who already has one)

Hope you enjoyed reading....

Hskr8

makes it all worth it to me :D

FWIW, my last autox i ran against a c5 vette and pulled a solid 2 seconds over it every run..they can be driven fast, but they need a skilled driver

Hey Brian,
You think CZ is still out snowmobile shopping, or just being uncooperative about posting a confirmation about reciept of the wire.

he did post, awhile ago:

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20663

as for being uncooperative, now thats another story..

Thanks Brian,

I missed that, and appreciate your pointing our CZ's response.

Can we get back to discussing polite Canadian Hookers now?

yeah i'm gonig there next month, i would love some info!

Originally posted by SDFLY
Can we get back to discussing polite Canadian Hookers now?

Isn't it the hockey players that are polite.

epitrochoid, could you contact muarice and see if he has any news regarding the parts he was waiting for or new programs he was working on the ecu ,and see if were still looking good for june. thanks

yea, meant to call him yesterday, but I will in a few hours when his shop opens

STILL WAITING ,:mad:

yea, you and me both...

Originally posted by epitrochoid
yea, you and me both...

Did you call him like you said you were going to?

i have a bad feeling were not going to see are units in june either

My bet would be sometime in July or August.

yes, I did call him and if i hadn't heard so many unfounded promises from him in the past, I'd be estatic about what he had to say.

he actually returned my call for the first time ever today, and said that since there has been so much BS going on, particularly with the first GB (who still havent recieved the units) he's going to push the second one up and just make it one large order of 44 units. the shipping will go like this (or so I'm told)

5 units will ship tomorrow
15-17 in a day or two
22-24 within a week

obviously the first 10 will go to the members of the first group buy, and then I'll hold the remainders till I have all 34 for the second group. it's only fair that way. by the way, these are all stage 1 units. if you wanted stage 2, you can upgrade once it's finished for free (just a new map). I don't know when that will be done however.

Also, I'm going to send an email to all the members. If you don't get it, check your spam folder, sometimes my messages get sent there. if it's not there, let me know and I'll double check your info.

That's great news! To your point, we'll all feel better once the first ones ship.