I am in the market for diagnostics and tuning tool which i can use on RX-8's which i work on. I dont own RX-8 and i dont intend to buy tool which will stay with car....

I need tool which will let me diagnose and if necessary, modify any car which will show up, if it will support other cars than RX-8, it will be just better...

I looked into Cobb AccessPort, tried to contact mazdamaniac but he is probably out of business, got no response at all. Response from Cobb itself was not really usefull either, they dont seems to support (atleast not officially) euro spec RX-8's which is what i will see mostly - but there might be some US imports too...

Same goes for Hymee's Scanalyzer/Tuner Pro, probably out of business, no response at all. And i liked description of it more, since its computer based tool, not just 'gameboy' like AccessPort....

Any suggestions?

Thanks!

Pros and cons both ways

Accessport :
cons
*you need to buy a new accessport for every car you tune .
pros
owner gets a permanent display hand piece that can be used to monitor any parameter read by the pcm.



Protuner :
Pros
can buy a licence from Hymee for unlimited tunes
Has some good logging software
Cons
*Every time you tune a new car you need to get files from hymee that enable the "brick" for that particular car so you can't have an 8 roll in and then out 30mins later with a modified tune
*Has been known to wipe the ecu brain - but only if used improperly.
*cannot delete cels
*not as many maps are named (but the important ones are)
*USB diagnostic software simply does not work (for most operating systems)


Communication with vendor on both systems is poor

Sounds to me like you should just get a scan tool and forget about the tuning option. Scanalyser (not the usb version)is good.

Buying new accessport for every car is even worse option than buying just licences which should be doable online.

I asked mazdamaniac if i can use one accessport on different rx-8's atleast like scan tool and i got no answer :(

If TunerPro (which should be using same brick like Scanalyzer) cant delete cel's, could Scanalyzer itself do that?

Poor communication with vendor BEFORE purchase should warn me there will be no communication at all AFTER, once they will get money, they loose motivation.....

Looks like there should be 3rd option since first two are not cutting it.....

I looked into Cobb AccessPort, tried to contact mazdamaniac but he is probably out of business, got no response at all.


Communication with vendor on both systems is poor


I'm really easy to get in contact with for AccessPORT stuff. I've event got other BHR people to help me on that.
Any e-mail sent to ap@mazdamaniac.com gets processed by a crack team of professionals. lol



I asked mazdamaniac if i can use one accessport on different rx-8's atleast like scan tool and i got no answer

Well, that is an obvious question that has been answered dozens of times before, so if that was the only question you asked, than I can understand why you might not have gotten a serious answer.

Poor communication with vendor BEFORE purchase should warn me there will be no communication at all AFTER, once they will get money, they loose motivation.....

Looks like there should be 3rd option since first two are not cutting it.....

Cutting it just fine.

That said, maybe your communication came across in a similarly brusque fashion, in which case you would have been rejected as a customer, anyway.

Address i found on website : jeff@mazdamaniac.com

Emailed 8 days ago.
Forwarding to ap@mazdamaniac.com now...

I'm really easy to get in contact with for AccessPORT stuff. I've event got other BHR people to help me on that.
Any e-mail sent to ap@mazdamaniac.com gets processed by a crack team of professionals. lol




Well, that is an obvious question that has been answered dozens of times before, so if that was the only question you asked, than I can understand why you might not have gotten a serious answer.



Cutting it just fine.

That said, maybe your communication came across in a similarly brusque fashion, in which case you would have been rejected as a customer, anyway.

I have asked question about ability to use it for my needs - multiple cars, different cars, diagnostics purposes. And i asked because i have not found answer on your website. I am not RX-8 owner and i dont spend much time on RX-8 forums. And things being asked dozen times somewhere on internet does not mean potential customer should know them - he looks vendors website and if he does not find info he needs, he asks vendor by mail...

If TunerPro (which should be using same brick like Scanalyzer) cant delete cel's, could Scanalyzer itself do that?

.....

Both can reset the cel but if there is an underlying problem - EG no cat , Neither can offer permanent deletion like the AP can ....

With Scanalyser you need a 9 pin din outlet (or usb conversion cable) - it does not use the same brick as pro tuner .
With Scanalyser USB (which comes with Pro Tuner) it just does not work - for myself and several others anyway .

I have asked question about ability to use it for my needs - multiple cars, different cars, diagnostics purposes. And i asked because i have not found answer on your website. I am not RX-8 owner and i dont spend much time on RX-8 forums. And things being asked dozen times somewhere on internet does not mean potential customer should know them - he looks vendors website and if he does not find info he needs, he asks vendor by mail...

That information is on my site and on Cobb's site.

The AccessPORT is not a diagnostic tool. It is a flashing tool.

I'm really easy to get in contact with for AccessPORT stuff. I've event got other BHR people to help me on that.
Any e-mail sent to ap@mazdamaniac.com gets processed by a crack team of professionals. lol
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I'll pass that on to the couple of people that I know , that have had trouble communicating with you from here .

That information is on my site and on Cobb's site.

The AccessPORT is not a diagnostic tool. It is a flashing tool.

Your site says :

But the AccessPORT is so much MORE than just a REFLASH DEVICE. It allows you to monitor your Fuel Economy (average and real time), perform performance tests in order to estimate your 0-60mph and 1/4 mile time, read and decipher ECU trouble codes (CELs), and monitor live data via the OEM vehicle sensors which eliminates the need for costly and cluttering aftermarket gauges!

I read its good diagnostic tool from these lines......
Or am i wrong and none of this will work without using REFLASH function?

Does it need to be "married to PCM" even for diagnostics,no modifications to PCM (engine codes, logging?)

Or am i wrong and none of this will work without using REFLASH function?

Does it need to be "married to PCM" even for diagnostics,no modifications to PCM (engine codes, logging?)

Yes.

I'll pass that on to the couple of people that I know , that have had trouble communicating with you from here .

Feel free.

But how much do you want to bet that those people are the ones for whom the "Instructions Instructions (http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=197783)" were written?

I'm not a baby-sitter, nor am I Wikipedia.

Could it be "un-married" then? I heard something like that, but nothing exact.

If you are just going to use it to read codes, then just get a CAN-compatible code scanner.
There is no point in spending 550 Euros on something you are not going to use correctly.

If you are just going to use it to read codes, then just get a CAN-compatible code scanner.
There is no point in spending 550 Euros on something you are not going to use correctly.

Lets say i buy it for code scanning with ability to tune if i decide so. If answer to my prior question is YES, i can marry it to customer's PCM, do diagnostic and either leave it there for 'correct' use and basically sell it to customer, or i can just un-marry it and put it back to shelf and use on another car when necessary.

So, back to the question.

Could it be "un-married" then? I heard something like that, but nothing exact.

It can be unmarried, yes.

But it would be pretty unethical to use it over and over again, only to sell it as "new" to a customer when it is, in fact, used.

I have both. My HPT might as well be a $1000 paper weight. Never was able to get the base map my car needs for it - guess it was my bad timing to be asking when the SC project went hot. You get a CD and an OBD/USB cable with the EFIDude device. It only comes with the USB scan process so there's not any saving grace there either. It has the basic mapping functions from what I can tell but Cobb has more stuff figured out. Support from either Cobb or MM easily exceeds anything I've seen.

Lets say i buy it for code scanning with ability to tune if i decide so. If answer to my prior question is YES, i can marry it to customer's PCM, do diagnostic and either leave it there for 'correct' use and basically sell it to customer, or i can just un-marry it and put it back to shelf and use on another car when necessary.

So, back to the question.

Could it be "un-married" then? I heard something like that, but nothing exact.

Pro-tuner uses a token system that may allow for the multi vehicle use.
you would have to contact hymee to see it it is possible.

Support from either Cobb or MM easily exceeds anything I've seen.

Thanks for that, Team.

hiGGi - I'm pretty sure all you want/need is a regular CAN-scanning tool.
If you were to be interested in tuning you customer's cars, you are looking at a significant intellectual and time investment, which apparently you are not interested in if your questions here are any indication.

Pro-tuner uses a token system that may allow for the multi vehicle use.
you would have to contact hymee to see it it is possible.

possible ? yes

practical ? no

Thanks for that, Team.

hiGGi - I'm pretty sure all you want/need is a regular CAN-scanning tool.
If you were to be interested in tuning you customer's cars, you are looking at a significant intellectual and time investment, which apparently you are not interested in if your questions here are any indication.

I am used to standalone EMS (Haltech, PowerFC) and i was expecting AP or Pro Tuner could offer same functions on stock PCM (ECU).

You are correct, i need CAN-scanning tool at first, but Cobb AP looked like it could do a lot more than that and extra cost seemed to have reason. Now, i am not sure. Not that i couldnt do what i need, but more business policy about these products.

Right now i am dealing with RX-8 with somehow faulty idle control mechanism inside throtte body. With tuning access to the stock PCM, there should be option to raise idle/and or re-calibrate and that could fix it, without need to replace whole throttle body which otherwise works without problems....

Tuning does not fix mechanical problems.
AccessTUNER for the AccessPORT is way more capable than any stand-alone.

Maybe i need AccessTUNER then....

Maybe i need AccessTUNER then....

Contact Cobb for that.
It's about $1500 for the license.
Expect to spend 80 to 120 hours on the software with an available N/A vehicle for training.
FI will take a bit longer than that...

[EDIT] You are in Europe, correct? I don't think they are accepting applications for additional licenses in Europe at this time.

Back to the AccessPort capabilities and possible scenarios.

Lets say i buy AccessPort and install it on customers RX-8, use it for diagnostics and if there will be any modification / fix doable by AP, i can offer customer 2 options.....either leaving it there, with fix and charge him for it, or tell him to come back month later for new AP.....

But reading by users manual on AP, i cant do anything besides loading new maps, right?

Rather than looking for answers to questions that have been asked and answered in depth a hundred times before, I suggest you take some time to read these threads:

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=140117
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=197783
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=162263

Searching thru threads, reading AP manual and looking to AP Manager software i have not found way to raise idle (besides getting already made map with raised idle from you or somewhere else).

Is that correct? Or can i use AP Tuner Race for that?

yes, in accesstuner race its as simple as editing a cell.

yes, in accesstuner race its as simple as editing a cell.

If you want your idle to dip or be irregular or not properly compensated for the A/C, decel, changes in temperature, etc.

Otherwise, it's as simple as editing 45 cells.

If you want your idle to dip or be irregular or not properly compensated for the A/C, decel, changes in temperature, etc.

Otherwise, it's as simple as editing 45 cells.

a cell or two... :angel:

a cell or two... :angel:

lol:fingersx:

mazdaEdit can log & read & flash RX-8 ECU

/\ where can one purchase that from ?

/\ where can one purchase that from ?

http://www.epifansoft.com/phpBB3/index.php

looks like we need more info about that :D

mazdaEdit (ecuEdit) is software with universal Logger, LogViewer, MapEditor. Software have open XML-defs structure, so customer can create map defs and logger defs by your own using built-in defs editors. mazdaEdit have implemented RX8 and other CAN-bus mazdas protocols for logging and flashing. Also map description package included to software pack for quick start. Description of RX-8 ECU contains more than 500 3d and 2d maps with proper Axises. Purpose of most of them is unknown... But, Ignition, Fuel, MAF, Throttle, Idle and etc is known.

mazdaEdit (ecuEdit) is software with universal Logger, LogViewer, MapEditor. Software have open XML-defs structure, so customer can create map defs and logger defs by your own using built-in defs editors. mazdaEdit have implemented RX8 and other CAN-bus mazdas protocols for logging and flashing. Also map description package included to software pack for quick start.

Personal version (one ViN only) price?
Pro version (VIN policy? price?)
Hardware supplied? If not, which is supported?

PM sent

Does it read and start from the existing ROM in the PCM?

Does it read and start from the existing ROM in the PCM?
Yes. But may be you can't download/flash ROM with AP installed (it can lock ECU from reading/flashing). I didn't test this because we are haven't AP on our market ;)

Didn't we already have a discussion about the EpiEdit software a few months back?

{edit} - I know I've had a discussion about this package before, but I can't quite put my finger on it.
Anyway, according to your site, the RX-8 version still isn't available, and the software is "read-only", anyway. I'm not sure what you are getting at with this offering.

For EU guys (Like me) there is no other option (that I know about) then Hymee ProTuner that lets you do what you want. sort off atleast.

Let your customer buy Scantool or a scantool+protuner brick depending on what they want.

Selling tunes via a Token VIN basis will probably spell disaster in the long run, easier to help your customer if they can logg and send you the loggs (your customer dont need to show up at your shop all the time)

The AP works on European cars, as long as you have the AccessTUNER PRO.
Works on JDM vehicles as well.

Anyway, according to your site, the RX-8 version still isn't available, and the software is "read-only", anyway. I'm not sure what you are getting at with this offering.
I'll release version with RX8 flash support at this week. Currently, I'm in direct testing software with rx8 owner. And we haven't any problems with disabling DTC, changing limiters and logging. At a next day we are start to tune fuel and ignition.

The AP works on European cars, as long as you have the AccessTUNER PRO.
Works on JDM vehicles as well.

Obtaining the AccessTUNER PRO is the only problem for the DIY user though :D
This is not necessarily a downside though, Cobb is unknowingly saving a lot of engines given the average user's capabilities here.

The AP works on European cars, as long as you have the AccessTUNER PRO.

AccessTUNER provide only those maps that recognize by AP developers. You'll didn't have access to all maps which operates ECU. In more complex tune projects that may be not enough.

AccessTUNER PRO is a bit costly.

highly interested in mazdaEdit (ecuEdit) software. will it work with my elm 327interface that i use on my laptop

The AP works on European cars, as long as you have the AccessTUNER PRO.
Works on JDM vehicles as well.

Does this mean AP and AccessTuner Race will not work on EU/JDM?

AccessTUNER provide only those maps that recognize by AP developers. You'll didn't have access to all maps which operates ECU. In more complex tune projects that may be not enough.


Assuming you can figure out what they are/do. The Cobb engineers are no dummies. What they provided is fairly complete WRT practicality. I've yet to see anything to the contrary.

Does this mean AP and AccessTuner Race will not work on EU/JDM?

Race gives you the Pro tuning tools, but it was only provided for the US market. You'll need Pro for any significant JDM & Euro tuning as previously stated.

Pro is $1500. Neither Hymee or Cobb can access an original/unknown ROM.

If you see a big market going with AccessTUNER PRO and Cobb will be an excellent solution.

If you only are going to have a few customers now and then go with the Hymee Pro Tuner.

If you only want to scan for CELs go with a Scantool.

ecuEdit maybe interesting but I wouldnt go down the road ones more with an untested software.

Just my 2 cents..

If you see a big market going with AccessTUNER PRO and Cobb will be an excellent solution.

If you only are going to have a few customers now and then go with the Hymee Pro Tuner.

If you only want to scan for CELs go with a Scantool.

ecuEdit maybe interesting but I wouldnt go down the road ones more with an untested software.

Just my 2 cents..


AccessTuner RACE is not available for European market (according to Cobb) and if i cant try it out , i dont see spending $1500+ for PRO version if it even was possible...

Hymee Pro Tuner is not available at all, got zero response from Hymee (tried both email on website and PM here on forums)

some kind of scantool is on the way already

mazdaEdit (ecuEdit) is not available in Personal version (ecuEdit is) to try it out before spending big bucks either.....

mazdaEdit (ecuEdit) is not available in Personal version (ecuEdit is) to try it out before spending big bucks either.....

The learning curve on that is going to be very, very high as well. It is essentially a hex-editor.

Hymee Pro Tuner is not available at all, got zero response from Hymee (tried both email on website and PM here on forums)


Pretty sure it still is but I think Hymee is having some issues right now

See my previous thread comments

The learning curve on that is going to be very, very high as well. It is essentially a hex-editor.

Very true, but since it's the only one that can download and edit an unknown ROM it may be my only option for addressing a non-supported pre-production beta Cobb flash other than starting over from scratch again

AccessTuner RACE is not available for European market (according to Cobb) and if i cant try it out , i dont see spending $1500+ for PRO version if it even was possible...

Hymee Pro Tuner is not available at all, got zero response from Hymee (tried both email on website and PM here on forums)

some kind of scantool is on the way already

mazdaEdit (ecuEdit) is not available in Personal version (ecuEdit is) to try it out before spending big bucks either.....

I got the Protuner so it is available, sometimes its hard to get an response from hymee.

Keep trying..

Throwing down $1000 and begging for support that may or may not come, had I have only known ...

Since my token has never been used I'll do you a favor and offer it to you an unused Pro Tuner system for $500

LMK



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It seems that many need help with the protuner.

Why not bring the old thread to life again and help each other.

I have only just begun to use it but there are good people on this board that knows how to use it.

I hope to get more time for more work with PT this weekend after im finished with my suspension problems and changing brakes on my DD BMW.