Link: http://scca.com/documents/Fastrack/09/11/09-fastrack-nov.pdf

Plus: The 00-04' Boxster S, AS to CS :scratchhe

http://myscca.com/photo/250/2009/10/22/165164303c1247de21d767fff654_4.jpg

Plus: The 00-04' Boxster S, AS to CS :scratchhe

Not happy about that one. :mad: I guess when I wrote my letter in support of the merge I forgot about the S thing hanging out there. A car that had trophied in SS (among the Z06) will now be in CS. :scratchhe

STX, STR and CSP 2010 entries just got another shot in the arm....

Not happy about that one. :mad: I guess when I wrote my letter in support of the merge I forgot about the S thing hanging out there. A car that had trophied in SS (among the Z06) will now be in CS. :scratchhe
I just hope the Boxster S and 370Z numbers will be enough to support this new CS...
STX, STR and CSP 2010 entries just got another shot in the arm....
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I just hope the Boxster S and 370Z numbers will be enough to support this new CS...



Well the old CS/BS numbers were only in the low 30s/mid-high 20s range. I would expect with that mix of cars the number will stay around the same.

It becomes a win for the club if the "new AS" has greater numbers than the BS/CS cars that were displaced. Should the new AS fail, it will prove to be a bad move.

imho the writing was on the wall. With the RX-8 and many of the CS cars now having an ST outlet, the stock classes were only going to shrink further.

Looking at the numbers in SS/AS it seems evident to me that people want to drive fast cars. There is now another outlet for those people. And I see a lot of cool cars on that new AS list.

May be an oversight, but there are certain cars left off of the merger: 370z? 968?

May be an oversight, but there are certain cars left off of the merger: 370z? 968?

i'm guessing the SEB felt they were a better fit with the old AS cars.
or an oversight... :)

ohh... and a little birdie told me the Boxster S is probably supposed to go to the new BS.

i'm guessing the SEB felt they were a better fit with the old AS cars.
or an oversight... :)

ohh... and a little birdie told me the Boxster S is probably supposed to go to the new BS.

I just spoke with an SEB member and he said the S was a mistake in FT.

I just spoke with an SEB member and he said the S was a mistake in FT.

Too bad. With the inexpensive, fun to drive S in the mix, the class could have made some numbers and been interesting. Now, you have a $35k plus "point and shoot" Nissan, the remarkably unpopular ZOK and the trunk kit NC duking it out...meh.

What is going to happen to the 370z and 350z Nismo? CS I assume?

Too bad. With the inexpensive, fun to drive S in the mix, the class could have made some numbers and been interesting. Now, you have a $35k plus "point and shoot" Nissan, the remarkably unpopular ZOK and the trunk kit NC duking it out...meh.
Mike,

IMHO, a regular Boxster would still be plenty competitive in this new class. ;)

May be an oversight, but there are certain cars left off of the merger: 370z? 968?
What is going to happen to the 370z and 350z Nismo? CS I assume?
See Brian Harmer's response below from sccaforums:
As for the 370Z if BS and CS do infact merge the 370Z would be part of that merger.
Link: http://sccaforums.com/forums/permalink/387580/387498/ShowThread.aspx#387498

Mike,

IMHO, a regular Boxster would still be plenty competitive in this new class. ;)

WTF, they moved the Boxster and left the Z4 convertible behind?

As a former SEB member the thing that bothers me most is there is little to no continuity as members go and come.

WTF, they moved the Boxster and left the Z4 convertible behind?

As a former SEB member the thing that bothers me most is there is little to no continuity as members go and come.

I agree.

Chike, I also agree the base Boxster could be lots of fun for the class. I'm just not sure it has enough to overcome the lack of camber and lsd...

WTF, they moved the Boxster and left the Z4 convertible behind?

As a former SEB member the thing that bothers me most is there is little to no continuity as members go and come.

I think the problem is less with the SEB, and more with the "subject matter experts" (ACs) they empower. I can recall on numerous occasions, while still on the SEB, telling certain members of an AC that they already had SuperDuperStock shot down twice by the membership, move on.

Garbage in is Garbage out. I don't think it is possible for the SEB to be 100% knowledgeable on all items, much like the BoD, they just rubber stamp SEB recommendations. A good AC can really speed things up and gets items sorted out. One with members serving their own agenda make things a pain - I even voiced my opinion that I thought this was the case with one group, only to have it fall on def ears. :icon_no2:

There has also been the problem of non-digital records for past items. Unless you still had someone around from when a previous change was made, there is no insight as to why. Even with someone around, it is their version of something that happened years ago, that they may or may not have supported. :sad:

i'm guessing the SEB felt they were a better fit with the old AS cars.



I doubt that can happen. It was never put out for member feedback to chop up the current BS, it was proposed to move as a whole. I don't see how the SEB could take any other action than to move it as proposed.

If true Jason then that's a problem. The purpose of the ACs is to do the leg work for the SEB, not be the arbitrator of decisions. Or at least that's the way it was when I served.

We went back and talked to past members often too.

I also agree the base Boxster could be lots of fun for the class. I'm just not sure it has enough to overcome the lack of camber and lsd...
Mike, remember that Andy McKee did very well in 2001 in a base Boxster against the S2000s, including winning the jacket. The S2000 wasn't fully developed back then, but then again the Boxster gained another 11 hp since then as well.

Here's an old but good thread comparing the two cars (s2k2fast4me is Andy McKee, and it's left as an exercise for the reader to figure out who Jason Saini is :)): http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=19549&view=findpost&p=206302

You know I'm pretty sure when I spoke to GH a little while back, he still had his 2.7 Boxster. I wonder if he'll bring it out next season...

Good points re: the Boxster.

Andy still has his car, but getting him out of that SSM rocketship is not very likely...

Now that I've had a day or so to think about it, I'm seeing how this new class could be very interesting, primarily because the Boxster was included. If it hadn't been, I think it would have just been CS pt II, i.e. hard to obtain cars leading to small classes and not much interest at a regional level.

I'd have to agree Mike. And from the speed that Bryan H. showed in an RX-8 throughout the 2009 season, I think the RX-8 is far from dead-duck in this class.

Here's an interesting perspective. In 1999, when I started autocrossing, my 1987 normally aspirated MR2 (http://www.pbase.com/bryanh/image/50693276/original) was in CS. Eleven years later, my 1993 Turbo MR2 is in CS.

Here's an interesting perspective.

In 73 when I started Porsche 912, TR6 was CS, MGB, GT6 in DS all now in HS (there wasn't any HS then)

10 years from now Z06s will be in HS :lol:

So is CS going to be Z0K and MSR, 370z, Boxster, or RX8?

Yes. Plus everything else that was in the old BS and CS.

Yes. Plus everything else that was in the old BS and CS.

I guess I meant is there going to be some variety in this class or is one car going to dominate?:fruit:

I guess I meant is there going to be some variety in this class or is one car going to dominate?:fruit:
On paper I think many cars could win in solo -- ZOK, MSR, RX-8, 370Z, MR2-T, 986 Boxster. What many are not sure of is if competitors in all of these cars will still see their cars as being competitive...

If I personally had to buy a car for this class, I'd get a late model 986 Boxster with the 225hp, 2.7L engine. It'll be competitive in solo, and the car to have in Pro Solo.

as far as solo, i think there will be a good amount of course dependency in CS. i think the Z0K and the Z will have an advantage on sweeper-intensive courses with their big rubber, and the MS-R and RX-8 will have an advantage on runway/transition-heavy courses b/c of their weight advantage. the Z will probably scoot out of slow corners better than the rest. the Boxster seems like it will be good all-around but like the 8, maybe not the best at any one thing.

whether that ends up being the best or worst of all worlds remains to be seen, i guess.

i think this class will be pretty interesting; no one really knows how things will shake out. most decisions right now seem to be being made based on perception. no one knows how fast the Z really is; no one knows if the RX-8 can get faster or by how much. no one knows how the Boxster, MS-R, and Solstice really match up head-to-head w/ the Z and 8.