i CANNOT break the tires loose in my rx8. i allways get hella wheel hop when i try. it does have new tires on it, im not sure what they are cause i bought the car used. does anyone have any recomendations on what rpm range i should try it at or if it can even be done. and im talkin about from a dead stand still here. like im trying to do a 0-60 run.
:banghead:

Rev the engine and dump the clutch. Works fine for me.

get a TURBO that will break them loose....LOL...or Nitrous...

Auto or manual?

its a manual. and im not an idiot i know to rev the engine and dump the clutch. that's exactly what i do, and instead of getting sweet cool lookin tire spin i get nasty ugly wheel hop.

Get a turbo

is traction control off when you do it? and at what rpm are u dumping?

i dont want to do a 5000 dollar bunout i like the stock free ones. lol

Ok buy a used t-4 turbo from a junkyard and have all the piping made for like $1000...then ull have turbo and can burn out!!!

oh and i dont have traction control and i've tried 3000 and 3500 im afraid to go any higher than that...

how do u not have traction control LMAO....hold the DSC button for 8 secs. then try the burnout....go and do it right now.......u must have not read ur manual....LMAO go do it and let us knowl

so basically go the ghetto route and not the nice route?

ghetto route...what does that mean>/?

how do you suggest i hold down a button that isn't there. i told you there is not a traction control button. some of the rx-8's dont have it. mine being one of them. and yes it should be on the dash to the left of the steering wheel. so dont try and tell me that's where it's at.

you bought the wrong car if you want to do burnouts... wheel hop destroys your drivetrain. At the first hint of wheel hop, back off the throttle. It's not worth trashing your nice 8, especially when cars with more horsepower can do it effortlessly, and in many cases, do it when it's unwanted. You still want burnouts? get a car that has the balls to do it.

Take your DSC off like he said. Otherwise you may end up fucking up your rear. Then, rev it higher if you want to just spin.

is there a DSC button? none of us have TCS buttons...Omg noob

you bought the wrong car if you want to do burnouts... wheel hop destroys your drivetrain. At the first hint of wheel hop, back off the throttle. It's not worth trashing your nice 8, especially when cars with more horsepower can do it effortlessly, and in many cases, do it when it's unwanted. You still want burnouts? get a car that has the balls to do it.


Or get a nice LSx swap :)

did you not read where i said there is no button???

Just Turbo The Piece Of Shit

Or get a nice LSx swap :)

lolz... yah, that would work too

u dont have a DSC button? or Traction control button?

stop asking if i have a DSC button or traction control button because i dont.

lol, burke is getting pissed.....

zumn stop posting....you are the one thats a n00b.....NOT ALL RX8'S HAVE DSC

jackass.

then u have no option but to turbo it...cuz ur going to get wheel hop and if u dont have money for a turbo then u should get NX 50 shot.....if neither of those opinions work for u....then u should have bought a gay GT MUSTANG.

lol, burke is getting pissed.....

zumn stop posting....you are the one thats a n00b.....NOT ALL RX8'S HAVE DSC

jackass.

LOL.....i like the huge font.....lmao.

if you want to do a good burnout youll have to drop it from much higher than that, i would recomend about 5500 rpm. like you see 3k wont do it. If your worried about doing it dont do it at all. I mean all your doing is wasting your clutch and your new tires. and putting stress on the tranny. When mazda was testing the rx8 they where doing 7k rpm clutch drops to get 14.5 1/4 mile... so if you want to do a burnout try dropping it at 5500

thank you 05rex8
Zumn you're the noob. stop tellin me to turbo it and put nitrous on it. i asked a simple question and you're givin me stupid answers. let me count to 10 and calm down....



so does anyone have any good answers to my problem. could it be that the tires on there are just nice and have to much grip for the engine to break them loose.

did you not read where i said there is no button???

go big or go home. rev to 6-7K and let it rip... I did several of them in my 8 for 0-60 runs, and was able to get some good times out of it, but don't come crying if something breaks. If you don't know how to launch a car, and don't know what the car it telling you, you will break. That's the way it is.

I managed a 5.8 0-60 with a 7K launch and perfect 1-2 shift. I never repeated it but could consistently run 6.0-6.2, rarely dipping into the high 5's. This was measured with a Gtech... sure, that 5.8 could have been an anomoly, but it felt fast.

I wasn't doing it just to "burnout". The only way to get a decent time out of the 8 is to launch high dealing with the wheel spin, and keep it in the fat part of the powerband.

yeah i really shouldn't have posted im trying to do a burnout. cause im not
really im just tryin to get a good 0-60 time.

im a noob? LMAO... one thing i do know is that doing a burnout by dropping the clutch at 5500+rpm is idiotic compared to doing a burnout naturally when u are turboed and just need to step on the gas.......Im still the idiot right? G.L. when ur tranny breaks.

yeah i really shouldn't have posted im trying to do a burnout. cause im not
really im just tryin to get a good 0-60 time.

get slicks/street slicks...... - .5 sec on ur 1/4 avg....

why can't you get the point. stop posting stuff about doing a burnout with a turbo. no one has mentioned it and i dont have one.

now the tire thing that was good advice why cant you just say stuff like that.

im a noob? LMAO... one thing i do know is that doing a burnout by dropping the clutch at 5500+rpm is idiotic compared to doing a burnout naturally when u are turboed and just need to step on the gas.......Im still the idiot right? G.L. when ur tranny breaks.

You do know you have to hit boost first right? You do know boost kicks in around 5000 rpm(depending on the setup) right? A turbo'd car doesnt automatically burn out if you floor it.

I suggest a 5-6k clutch dump, maybe wet the road under you with a hose or something. Also take some air out of your tires. It should be around 32-35 psi right now, I would drop it down to 20. This is will reduce wheel hop as well.

why can't you get the point. stop posting stuff about doing a burnout with a turbo. no one has mentioned it and i dont have one.

now the tire thing that was good advice why cant you just say stuff like that.

u originally said u wanted to do a burnout...then u just implied ur 1/4 time; u should of just stuck with the 1/4 time Q.....but yeah GL on ur 1/4 mile time. Do a burnout in the burnout pit to heat up ur tires so that they can be stickier with the track....thats the point of the pits.

since you're really slow to catch onto things let me clarify.

i said earlier that i shouldn't have said burnout i should have said 0-60

and it probably wouldn't be necessary to do a burnout to heat the tires up before a 1/4 mile run on a track. there isn't enough power to break the tires that loose and the track will be sticky enough to catch the even if they do break loose by some sort of miracle.

why can't you get the point. stop posting stuff about doing a burnout with a turbo. no one has mentioned it and i dont have one.

now the tire thing that was good advice why cant you just say stuff like that.

No, the tire advice was bad advice. You put drag radials, or, heaven help you, slicks, on an N/A RX8, and you'll probably hurt your 0-60 time, and possibly drop a few chunks of metal that used to be parts of your drivetrain.

An N/A 8 is going to bog with that much tire under it, unless you go ape shit on the launch, and I mean near redline launch. The best you're going to get is a couple tenths. It's not worth it.... not one single bit.

Jesus, just go for ride in a car with a mid-high 4 second 0-60 like a GTO. you'll laugh at the fact you're trying to wring out a sub 6 second 0-60 and risk f'ing up your car for it. It's ridiculous. Just enjoy it for what it does well - awesome handling and branking, and a silky smooth engine that loves to be rev'ed.

you know what you're right.
and this thread has gotten off subject. i just wanted to know why i was gettin wheel hop and not tire spin. no one has answered that question for me yet.

I answered your question already...

you know what you're right.
and this thread has gotten off subject. i just wanted to know why i was gettin wheel hop and not tire spin. no one has answered that question for me yet.

well, that's fine. the RX8 is NOT the only car that hops off the line... far from it. There are many independent rear suspension cars that do it, the GTO being one of them. It's fairly common, in fact.

technique or mods... take your pick. The RX8 hasn't had enough track time (drag racing) to develop proven suspension bits that will completely eliminate hop. Tire pressure is variable you may experiment with. Technique is the hardest, because you may not ever figure it out. Some of the people here who seriously race their RX8's at the track have invested time and effort to do it, but you're not going to get a perfect answer from a forum. You have to see it done correctly in person, or figure it out by feel. Dumping the clutch does not constitute "technique", btw.

Just my 2 cents.

thank you
finally a good answer that's all i really wanted...

try an aftermarket rear sway bar too
upgrade the front while you are at it

lol, burke is getting pissed.....

zumn stop posting....you are the one thats a n00b.....NOT ALL RX8'S HAVE DSC

jackass.

Just to re-iterate this point....

The Base RX-8 Sport does NOT have DSC unless you opt for the sport package (suspension, sunroof, DCS, etc)

Please Please Please think harder for like 2 seconds before you post Zumn... you dont even know that RX-8s can come w/o DSC.....

i really dont give a shit right now

then don't post.. all you've been doing lately is flooding the forums with stupid posts.

to the op, 5k will do the trick.

Wow. THis thread has some serious fail. I dont remember when I have seen so much fail.

Technique and stiffer springs help eliminate the hop.

As for stiffining the rear sway 05rex8. Do you know WHY you stiffen the rear sway? It has way more to do with handling than wheel hop (which it may not help) Do you know what major characteristic you will cause if you stiffen the rear sway without stiffening the front (which you so nonchalantly suggested)? Unless you LIKE driving off corners tail first you proly want to do a little reading before spouting.

Read first, spout second.

then don't post.. all you've been doing lately is flooding the forums with stupid posts.

to the op, 5k will do the trick.

keep urs to urself and ill do the same

^dude, are you just trying to get your post count up?

this thread is scary.

to the Original Poster: If you want to do a burnout, try at an RPM higher then 3,000 or 3,500. (don't forget to turn off the DSC...haha, just kidding. :rofl: )
Start letting the clutch out, keep the gas pedal down, don't pull the clutch out TOO fast, keep giving it throttle.

This really isn't great for the car but if you just want to try it out, that should do the trick.

God Zumn is giving me a headache. Freakin Moron!!!

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH zumn and his damn turbo comments ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!

thank you
finally a good answer that's all i really wanted...

Hi.

Hopefully, with all the noise above, you've heard the calm, sane answer from YaXMaNGTO and a couple of the others.

The Rx-8 suspension in the rear has been designed to optimize tire contact to the road under driving conditions. All designers of independent rear suspension sports cars have to trade-off between wheel hop and grip under steady-state loads.

Very few cars with IRS can do good burnouts (unless they have gobs of power (torque) that can vaporize the rear tires before the resonant frequencies take over to make the axle hop) because of this geometry trade off. An example would be the Ford mustang cobra's experiment with IRS in the early 2000's. For a couple of years they went with IRS - the car handling improved dramatically, but the wheel-hop on acceleration was damaging components - they went quickly back to a 'stick' axle to make their drag racing customers happy.

For the 'stang with IRS, there were a couple of bolt-ons to keep the axles pushing onto the road. This was fairly successful - but as said above, the RX-8 isn't in that niche where there are vendors marketing a drag suspension. I understand that the 'vette engined Cadillacs also have a destructive wheel-hop problem.

In my recollection, you would have to go with an extremely stiff rear bar to make much difference - this would be exteremely dangerous as it would provoke unacceptable oversteer at any cornering speeds.

I would suggest that if you are going to frequently dragrace the car, that you contact one of the manufacturers of an airbag /coil spring combo to design you a unit that would replace the stock rear coilovers. You could then street the car by lowering airbag pressure, and crank it at the strip. You will also have to play with bushings / joints until you find a good combo.

Or, buy a 5.0 for $5,000 - you'll save money!!!

God Zumn is giving me a headache. Freakin Moron!!!

I know, I'm getting tired of seeing his sig everywhere

this thread is scary.

to the Original Poster: If you want to do a burnout, try at an RPM higher then 3,000 or 3,500. (don't forget to turn off the DSC...haha, just kidding. :rofl: )
Start letting the clutch out, keep the gas pedal down, don't pull the clutch out TOO fast, keep giving it throttle.

This really isn't great for the car but if you just want to try it out, that should do the trick.

he's not trying to do a burnout....thats what i originally thought....hes just trying to improve his 1/4 time ....i had to do the big font....i havent in a while:spank:

What's gonna be funny is when a mod pulls a Taj on Zumn and reduces his post count to 50.

Lulz will ensue.

What's gonna be funny is when a mod pulls a Taj on Zumn and reduces his post count to 50.

Lulz will ensue.

AM I GONNA WIN $1 WHEN I GET TO 1000? I DONT CARE ABOUT POST COUNT.....WHY WOULD I ? U DONT WIN ANYTHING.

LOL!!! damn talk about pullin a TAJ, he hasnt been posting anything...i havent seen him in a while...bastard was supposed to give me his midpipe for dirt cheap

I bet Taj and Zumn are related, both their posts are just as annoying.

maybe we are the same person?^^^^

When is the McRib coming back?? I'm hungry for one.

When is the McRib coming back?? I'm hungry for one.

u can get knock off ones at AMPM

^Its back now isnt it?

^Its back now isnt it?

i dont know ill check over here in CALI....ill post up tomorrow...ill start a new thread!!! lol IM SERIOUS

u can get knock off ones at AMPM

What is AMPM? That in CO?

^Its back now isnt it?

I saw a litter teaser advertisement on a Houston area news page but checked the Micky D's across the street today here in CO and they didn't have it. :cussing:

...ill start a new thread!!! lol IM SERIOUS

McRib is definitely worth it's own thread...

Wow. THis thread has some serious fail. I dont remember when I have seen so much fail.

Technique and stiffer springs help eliminate the hop.

As for stiffining the rear sway 05rex8. Do you know WHY you stiffen the rear sway? It has way more to do with handling than wheel hop (which it may not help) Do you know what major characteristic you will cause if you stiffen the rear sway without stiffening the front (which you so nonchalantly suggested)? Unless you LIKE driving off corners tail first you proly want to do a little reading before spouting.

Read first, spout second.
huh?? I'm not spouting anything. Of course I know what stiffer rear sways do. It helps handling..yes I know that. However someone else told me on another thread, I can't remember which or who said it, that it will help with wheel hop as well. It may not do a ton, but from what I understand, it helps.

If I didn't know what I was talking about I wouldn't have told him to upgrade the front while he was at it. It's just stupid to have a stiffer rear sway and not a front to match it. Look at my post again....
try an aftermarket rear sway bar too
upgrade the front while you are at it


I'm not a n00b like Zumn.....sheesh.

I was expecting more flaming towards the OP, but then I see Zumn get it all....quite the ironic thread!

then u have no option but to turbo it...cuz ur going to get wheel hop and if u dont have money for a turbo then u should get NX 50 shot.....if neither of those opinions work for u....then u should have bought a gay GT MUSTANG.
:iwstupid:

http://www.roflcat.com/images/cats/270913946_efa38ec3d8.jpg

^^ i want a calicka cat if thats how u spell it

so does anyone have any good answers to my problem. could it be that the tires on there are just nice and have to much grip for the engine to break them loose.


I have been told:
Hold the E-Brake, let the slack out of the drive line before dumping the clutch.

^^ i want a calicka cat if thats how u spell it

calico

man zumn. i just have one question for you? how old are you, honestly?

Doesnt sound old enough to drive yet, lol.

well i've tried all of your suggestions. i've tried launching from 4k and i still get wheel hop. only one time out of about five have i been able to get a decent launch. i'm gonna try a few more techniques today ill tell you how it goes.

this is exactly what im going for. i want it to look just like this.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=29660660&searchid=4e8e7fbe-214a-4f98-ba98-c9950ff6e5d9

well i've tried all of your suggestions. i've tried launching from 4k and i still get wheel hop. only one time out of about five have i been able to get a decent launch. i'm gonna try a few more techniques today ill tell you how it goes.

So try 5k and 6k? :uhh:

So try 5k and 6k? :uhh:

yeah that was gonna be the next step

Tried all suggestions? I thought some people said 7k, so how is 4k trying all suggestions?

Also, you should probably turn off DSC, put in a turbo, shoot nitrous, and do a 20b swap. Don't forget to turn off the DSC too. Hold down the DSC for 10 sec.

Also turbos will let you do what you want no prob.

Did I mention turn off the DSC?


:lol:

Put the rear on Jack stands, turn car on, floor it.

NO TRACTION!!

if you go back and look we've already had the turning off the DSC argument (i dont have it)

and yes i've tried everything that everyone has said and i dont want to do a 7k launch cause i dont wanna break anything.

if you go back and look we've already had the turning off the DSC argument (i dont have it)

He was joking :lol:


and yes i've tried everything that everyone has said and i dont want to do a 7k launch cause i dont wanna break anything.

If you're afraid to "break anything" then you shouldn't be attempting you 0-60 run with a good launch/tire spin.

Honestly though, doing it once or twice isn't going to make the car suddenly combust and explode. If you did it everyday for extended periods of time then yea, you'll probably start damaging things, but once? You'd have to be very unlucky or do something really wrong.

yeah i realized he was making fun of zumn after i put that.
but yeah maybe i should just go balls to the wall and go for it.

I have the perfect solution to your problem:


SNOW + SUMMER TIRES + HILL = thelongestburnoutyou'veeverdone

Seriously, you have been given all of the information you could possibly need to understand why this car is not designed to do burnouts, and what you could possibly change.

Buy why bother?

just over 5k is definately the sweet spot. the problem is finally resolved

try getting sways....the rear progressive tech sway is like 125 shipped and got rid of 90% of my wheel hop....

I bet Taj and Zumn are related, both their posts are just as annoying.

and i know both of em :uhh: :banghead:

and i know both of em :uhh: :banghead:

do they make unnecessary stupid comments in real life too??