What's the fastest time for an RX-8 stock? I saw Judge Ito's 14.5 on 100 octane. Is that the fastest time yet for a stock RX-8, besides the mag times?

I'm only asking because I was very interested in the RX-8 when it was first announced, but my interest waned when its performance figures were announced and I ended up in an Evo VIII. I was at the track a few weeks ago and someone told me his friend ran a 14.2 stock in his RX-8. I called bs on the guy, so I'm wondering if anyone hear has even come close to that number.

And no- I don't consider running with 100 octane stock. I could run 116 octane, raise my boost, and run a few tenths better in the 1/4 anytime.

WTF? My user name isn't Jayer, and I don't live in Virginia... Don't know how I logged on with this user name.

That has been happening on the board as of late, people randomly getting logged in by the system as other people.

More than one person has done a 14.2 or so... read this forum.

Originally posted by Omicron
More than one person has done a 14.2 or so... read this forum.

No they haven't. Ito is the fastest time, other than him the fastest time has been 14.7 or 14.8, and NO, gtech runs don't count.

Originally posted by IkeWRX
No they haven't. Ito is the fastest time, other than him the fastest time has been 14.7 or 14.8, and NO, gtech runs don't count.

Let's clarify here:
The fastest times (on a drag strip) posted by an RX8 owner, on this forum, that I know of is Judge Ito (14.5xx) However, the fastest time (14.4xx), I believe I remember correctly, are from 'Mazda' and were provided to RotaryNews. If the slips are legit, accurate or representative of a production car's max performance? I don't know!.

I also don't know if there are more slips on any Regional forums. Sorry!

watch the rx-8 top gear episode and youll realise you made the wrong desicion...tied an M3 on a track

Lets clarify here!!!

Not every owner of an RX-8 is a member of this Forum. It has been discussed numerous times that it is a fraction of RX-8 owners on this forum.

So, of this fraction, the lowest time that has been posted on this site is 14.5. The person who posted the 14.5, says that lower times will be easily achieved in this car. It is very possible that someone who doesn't belong to this forum has run a 14.2 at any one of the thousand 1/4 mile strips in this country.

Unlike IKE, I don't care what kind of method is used to measure speed or time. It is all reletive to nothing more than conversation and discussion about the RX-8. I liked the story about the guy who had his police buddy trap him at the end of a quarter mile. Don't come pushing your BS rules on how to discuss our cars on this forum, or tell us what is acceptable in your opinion.

Pretty soon with all your rules and bashing this forum will be as dead as the one you moderate on.

Originally posted by Chuck Clifford
Lets clarify here!!!

Not every owner of an RX-8 is a member of this Forum.
....of this fraction, the lowest time that has been posted on this site is 14.5......It is very possible that someone who doesn't belong to this forum has run a 14.2 at any one of the thousand 1/4 mile strips in this country.

Its possible that someone have had runs better than Judge Ito. To all those who don't know what they are missing: REGISTER AND POST YOUR TIMES DARNIT! :mad:
But until we have someone doing it, we stick with the data sample we have. Best ET 14.5xx (or 14.4xx)

And before anyone jumps on me, I am not questioning the times can be improved. I AM SIMPLY REWRITTING THE SAMPLES WE HAVE HERE, RIGHT NOW.

Well, looks like Jayer is getting some free posts to add to his post count. :) SO I'm right in saying that no RX-8 has ever run a 14.2 stock? Or even close to that? Has anyone even ran the magazine times yet? This guy I met at the track was a real asswipe. Thought that his car was much faster then it is, and that my Evo wasn't nearly as fast as it is. Some people just can't accept that their cars aren't as fast as they think they are...

P.S. I used to post on this board as rebelzx, I have no idea what happened to my username. Just from scanning the boards, it looks like IkeWRX is one of the few members here that sees through the BS and tries to be as honest as possible about these cars. Keep up the good work Ike!

Originally posted by Jayer
looks like IkeWRX is one of the few members here that sees through the BS and tries to be as honest as possible about these cars. Keep up the good work Ike!

Hey, don't diminish the rest of us!

Originally posted by Chuck Clifford

Unlike IKE, .............
Pretty soon with all your rules and bashing this forum will be as dead as the one you moderate on.

What Chuck said!

Originally posted by RussellP
watch the rx-8 top gear episode and youll realise you made the wrong desicion...tied an M3 on a track

Are you referring to me buying the Evo over the RX-8? If so, please! I finally had the oppurtunity to drive an RX-8 this past weekend and was very unimpressed with its performance. I did like the looks, interior, and shifter, but the performance, straightline and handling, didn't impress me at all. It feels like a Honda (anemic) until 5000, when it starts to get momentum, and even then it didn't feel nearly as quick as the 350Z I test drove right before it, let alone my Evo. It also leaned considerably taking modest corners. I couldn't push it too hard though, the salesman was getting pretty antsy in the passenger seat. I've seen that episode of Top Gear too. Look real closely at the end, where it lists the top track times of cars tested. Can you see an Evo anywhere on that list? ;)

EDIT: Just watched it again and you couldn't see where the Evo placed... Second best time out of all cars ever tested at 1 minute 28.9 seconds, losing only to the Zonda C12S. Performance wise, its no contest between the Evo an RX-8.

Originally posted by Jayer
Are you referring to me buying the Evo over the RX-8? If so, please! I finally had the oppurtunity to drive an RX-8 this past weekend and was very unimpressed with its performance. I did like the looks, interior, and shifter, but the performance, straightline and handling, didn't impress me at all. It feels like a Honda (anemic) until 5000, when it starts to get momentum, and even then it didn't feel nearly as quick as the 350Z I test drove right before it, let alone my Evo. It also leaned considerably taking modest corners. I couldn't push it too hard though, the salesman was getting pretty antsy in the passenger seat. I've seen that episode of Top Gear too. Look real closely at the end, where it lists the top track times of cars tested. Can you see an Evo anywhere on that list? ;)

EDIT: Just watched it again and you couldn't see where the Evo placed... Second best time out of all cars ever tested at 1 minute 28.9 seconds, losing only to the Zonda C12S. Performance wise, its no contest between the Evo an RX-8.

Before all this gets nasty, can we settle it for good??

Originally posted by Jayer
Are you referring to me buying the Evo over the RX-8? If so, please! I finally had the oppurtunity to drive an RX-8 this past weekend and was very unimpressed with its performance. I did like the looks, interior, and shifter, but the performance, straightline and handling, didn't impress me at all. It feels like a Honda (anemic) until 5000, when it starts to get momentum, and even then it didn't feel nearly as quick as the 350Z I test drove right before it, let alone my Evo. It also leaned considerably taking modest corners. I couldn't push it too hard though, the salesman was getting pretty antsy in the passenger seat. I've seen that episode of Top Gear too. Look real closely at the end, where it lists the top track times of cars tested. Can you see an Evo anywhere on that list? ;)

EDIT: Just watched it again and you couldn't see where the Evo placed... Second best time out of all cars ever tested at 1 minute 28.9 seconds, losing only to the Zonda C12S. Performance wise, its no contest between the Evo an RX-8.

I felt the same way! I was a long-time RX8 follower, but in the end I was dissapointed. The EVO executed on all cylinders for me and my choice was quite easy.

It seems quite a few people on this board ended up going for the EVO - a harder core, more performance oriented alternative to the RX8.

Originally posted by revhappy
EVO - a harder core, more performance oriented alternative to the RX8.

that sacrificies looks for speed:D

Isn't it funny? Most the times (and I am not blaming anyone, alright!) when I hear people talking about the RX8, I get the feeling they think its a worthless waste with 4 wheels & tires. Or, on opposite views, that its the 8th Wonder. Why so extreme points of view?

Sorry, momentary delirium. Let's go back to the thread.

Originally posted by mikeb
that sacrificies looks for speed:D

Revhappy said 'more performace oriented.'....looks are out of the equation.

Originally posted by RX8-TX
Isn't it funny? Most the times (and I am not blaming anyone, alright!) when I hear people talking about the RX8, I get the feeling they think its a worthless waste with 4 wheels & tires. Or, on opposite views, that its the 8th Wonder. Why so extreme points of view?

Sorry, momentary delirium. Let's go back to the thread.

To me, the RX-8 was a huge disspointment. Check my registration date for user rebelzx. I joined this site when the car was still in its concept stages. It just didn't live up to what it could have. And I did sacrifice looks for speed.

it amazes me when people come on here and claim the car is slow or a disappoiintment??
still has decent 0-60times and 1/4 miles times, and handles great!

no doubt there are faster cars, but what did these guys expect?
a great handling car with vette accel.??

driven in the car alot, but haven't got my pre-porder yet, but I have to laugh when every review raves about the car, and the trolls on here come out to claim it will never do 0-60 in 6secs (when members have matched those times). The car is not the fastest thing out there, but faster than most.
Easiest comparison is the G35. Both great cars, but I prefer the 8.

Originally posted by Broker73
it amazes me when people come on here and claim the car is slow or a disappoiintment??
still has decent 0-60times and 1/4 miles times, and handles great!

no doubt there are faster cars, but what did these guys expect?
a great handling car with vette accel.??
8.


Ummm this is a thread about 1/4 miles times... And yes I expected a great handling car with great acceleration, not one with "decent" 1/4 mile times and 0-60 times. Maybe some of our expectations were too high, but when Mazda was originally touting 280 hp, then 260, then 250, then 247, then 238, and it doesn't even seem possible that it actually makes 238 of course some people are a bit disappointed. Some of you seem to think that just because the car handles so great that it shouldn't matter how fast it is. Believe it or not you can have both a really fast car and a great handling car. I wanted both and I don't think I'm alone.

People have different priorities when they buy a car. I could care less about some cute little rotary accents, 2 tone leather, a gaudy body, and how much room is in the backseat.

Originally posted by IkeWRX
Ummm this is a thread about 1/4 miles times... And yes I expected a great handling car with great acceleration, not one with "decent" 1/4 mile times and 0-60 times. Maybe some of our expectations were too high, but when Mazda was originally touting 280 hp, then 260, then 250, then 247, then 238, and it doesn't even seem possible that it actually makes 238 of course some people are a bit disappointed. Some of you seem to think that just because the car handles so great that it shouldn't matter how fast it is. Believe it or not you can have both a really fast car and a great handling car. I wanted both and I don't think I'm alone.


Beautifully said. Like I said before, keep up the good work!

To the other guy who thinks I'm a troll. The RX-8 is a dissapointment to ME. Driving the car just reaffirmed that it isn't anything close to what Mazda was promising. I expected what Mazda promised when they first announced the car, and in that regard it's a dissapointment.

Much better. :)

Originally posted by IkeWRX
Ummm this is a thread about 1/4 miles times... And yes I expected a great handling car with great acceleration, not one with "decent" 1/4 mile times and 0-60 times. Maybe some of our expectations were too high, but when Mazda was originally touting 280 hp, then 260, then 250, then 247, then 238, and it doesn't even seem possible that it actually makes 238 of course some people are a bit disappointed. Some of you seem to think that just because the car handles so great that it shouldn't matter how fast it is. Believe it or not you can have both a really fast car and a great handling car. I wanted both and I don't think I'm alone.

People have different priorities when they buy a car. I could care less about some cute little rotary accents, 2 tone leather, a gaudy body, and how much room is in the backseat.

Ya'll fools j/k :D
You were all expecting an '04 RX7, not a four seater.....

Originally posted by Jayer
...it isn't anything close to what Mazda was promising

I know I am sidetracking from something that otherwise should be a quarter mile thread (spare me a license here..) but, then to me, the RX8 is only short of horsepower to what Mazda was originally promising. Do you have any gripes other than horsepower? (and tell me something else other than 'horsepower is everything..', or 'performance's measured dependant on horsepower')

When did you become so dissapointed with the car?

Originally posted by rebelzx
Much better. :)


Welcome...ehhhh, back??

as far as performance, like I said, the closest comparison is the G35. I have 2 close freinds that have one, and both are no faster than the 8. So would I go to a G35 forum and talk about what a disappointment their car is?? NO
All you guys who claim some cover-up about the 238hp thing is so old. With some of the 1/4mile times being posted on here, the car seems to be right in line with the G35, except better handling.
I didn't buy it for 350Z torque. Lets face it, .3-.6sec of difference can come down to simple driver experience. One client that has the 8 took me for a spin as I couldn't wait for mine,and he shifted the thing at 6K all the time when he wanted to show off?? he let me drive more than once when I begged, and it was much different than the G35, but would give it a good run.
No doubt this car has to be worked at high RPMs to get the most out of it, but that is the fun.
I am sure Ike or someone else will claim all those R&T times are pre-prod. blah blah blah.......bottom line, the G35 they tested was launched at high RPMs to get 6secs 0-60. The 8 got close to the same. Enough said.

I guess I have the best of bolth worlds. :D The Rx-8 for the daily driver. It looks good, and is comfortable. Then the FD for the times when I need, lots of power, look good, and spin the tires through 3rd gear. What more could you ask for? CJ

IKE wrote: "Believe it or not you can have both a really fast car and a great handling car. I wanted both and I don't think I'm alone."

Yet with both cars in this discussion you have neither according to 99% of the reviews. The Evo is faster, and the RX-8 handles better than your WRX. As an overall car the WRX finishes consistently behind the RX-8. A vast majority of professional car evaluators pick the RX-8 when weighing speed, handling, comfort, and overall performance. So whats your point!!!

Jayer, you lost all your objectivity when you bought the EVO and then test drove the RX-8. I made all my test drives before buying, and have not had a thought of driving any of them again since driving home my 8. IMO, There must be something major missing in your purchase for you to go out driving other cars and then go to their forums and tell them what a mistake they made. Rationalizing ones purchase after the fact has been played out on this forum by many buyers of other vehicles. Its too bad some people can't be happy with their own decision without tearing down somebody elses decision.

Originally posted by Chuck Clifford
IKE wrote: "Believe it or not you can have both a really fast car and a great handling car. I wanted both and I don't think I'm alone."

Yet with both cars in this discussion you have neither according to 99% of the reviews. The Evo is faster, and the RX-8 handles better than your WRX. As an overall car the WRX finishes consistently behind the RX-8. A vast majority of professional car evaluators pick the RX-8 when weighing speed, handling, comfort, and overall performance. So whats your point!!!

Jayer, you lost all your objectivity when you bought the EVO and then test drove the RX-8. I made all my test drives before buying, and have not had a thought of driving any of them again since driving home my 8. IMO, There must be something major missing in your purchase for you to go out driving other cars and then go to their forums and tell them what a mistake they made. Rationalizing ones purchase after the fact has been played out on this forum by many buyers of other vehicles. Its too bad some people can't be happy with their own decision without tearing down somebody elses decision.



Well said Chuck, keep it up

Originally posted by Jayer

P.S. I used to post on this board as rebelzx, I have no idea what happened to my username. Just from scanning the boards, it looks like IkeWRX is one of the few members here that sees through the BS and tries to be as honest as possible about these cars. Keep up the good work Ike!



Jayer (rebelzx) seems to be Ike's biggest fanboi.
Jayer (rebelzx) = IkeWRX

Originally posted by IkeWRX
Ummm this is a thread about 1/4 miles times... And yes I expected a great handling car with great acceleration, not one with "decent" 1/4 mile times and 0-60 times. Maybe some of our expectations were too high, but when Mazda was originally touting 280 hp, then 260, then 250, then 247, then 238, and it doesn't even seem possible that it actually makes 238 of course some people are a bit disappointed. Some of you seem to think that just because the car handles so great that it shouldn't matter how fast it is. Believe it or not you can have both a really fast car and a great handling car. I wanted both and I don't think I'm alone.

People have different priorities when they buy a car. I could care less about some cute little rotary accents, 2 tone leather, a gaudy body, and how much room is in the backseat.

You Know Ike....
I can allow that you prioritize performance over other features, that's fine.

But, "Gaudy Body"????

You must have been looking at a STI by accident. I have never seen more gaudy then those.

Stick to your performance complaints, thats the only area that you have any valid arguments for.

Originally posted by Reeko
You Know Ike....
I can allow that you prioritize performance over other features, that's fine.

But, "Gaudy Body"????

You must have been looking at a STI by accident. I have never seen more gaudy then those.

Stick to your performance complaints, thats the only area that you have any valid arguments for.

The wing and the scoop on an STi certainly could be called gaudy, maybe gaudy wasn't the right word but there's just so much goin on with the 8. How's flashy, maybe that's a better example of how I feel. I think the RX-8 looks great but I like cleaner lines rather than more radical styling (unless we're talking supercar).

Ike

I dont understand why they only banned you for a week

although i have never driven an evo 8, when i was deciding on my RX-8 i was trying to choose between the two. even after i bought the 8 i would still think to myself, 'what if i bought the evo......' but then it really came down to

1. i can have a car that can turn 13's

2. i can have a car that can turn 13 head's anywhere i please, and not because its 'gaudy.'

Originally posted by mikeb
I dont understand why they only banned you for a week

You don't even understand why I was banned in the first place.

OMG, I can't believe all these RX8 haters. Evo, 350z, ..? Lmao. Nwe Mazda3 looks better than 350z and evo. Evo looks nothing but junk. It's same as mazda's speed protege, compact, small, fugly, yucky. It has performance, but still, if you need that much speed, I guess it's a better buy. For everyday driver, evo is one of the worst cars because it's based on a compact. No midengine, no rotary engine, no interior. Interior is in competition with kia and hyundai. Heck, even tiburon has better interior than evo. I dont know why people bash RX8 for speed. It was never made to be faster than 350z or evo in a straight line. Mazda could have put 20B or something to kill those other cars, but they didn't want to...

Originally posted by IkeWRX
You don't even understand why I was banned in the first place.

I do :D ....... But I'm with Mikeb I don't understand how you smoozed your way back in. Must have been some mighty powerful butt kissing going on behind the scenes.

No worries......it's only a matter of time ....Bu-Bye

Originally posted by Haris
OMG, I can't believe all these RX8 haters. Evo, 350z, ..? Lmao. Nwe Mazda3 looks better than 350z and evo. Evo looks nothing but junk. It's same as mazda's speed protege, compact, small, fugly, yucky. It has performance, but still, if you need that much speed, I guess it's a better buy. For everyday driver, evo is one of the worst cars because it's based on a compact. No midengine, no rotary engine, no interior. Interior is in competition with kia and hyundai. Heck, even tiburon has better interior than evo. I dont know why people bash RX8 for speed. It was never made to be faster than 350z or evo in a straight line. Mazda could have put 20B or something to kill those other cars, but they didn't want to...

Thank you for your insightful comments on car interiors in the COMPETITION RACING section. The EVO has everything you need and nothing you don't, and great seats, and some people think no rotary is a good thing...

Originally posted by renotse
I do :D ....... But I'm with Mikeb I don't understand how you smoozed your way back in. Must have been some mighty powerful butt kissing going on behind the scenes.

No worries......it's only a matter of time ....Bu-Bye

C'mon, let's keep some focus on the subject, can we?
The thread is not about looks, its not why someone got banned.
It's about ............................. what is the best quarter mile time for the RX8. How the HELL we ended up talking about looks, interior, handling??

BACK ON TRACK: Best ET for and RX8, as of 12/3/2003, was posted by Judge Ito: 14.57 on a NJ strip.

Until someone has something else related to the thread, please resist the temptation to post or be warned: I'LL SHOW YOU MY BUTT-NAKED BODY!!!

:D

Originally posted by IkeWRX
Thank you for your insightful comments on car interiors in the COMPETITION RACING section. The EVO has everything you need and nothing you don't, and great seats, and some people think no rotary is a good thing...

Yes, it has great seats, except they're hard as heck. I doubt anybody enjoying them when going for vacation. Considering the car has 4 doors, it should be kinda car that can be used for family. Well front passangers wouldn't be happy riding for a long time. Rear is worse then mazda3. Anyways, just look at this. RX8's engine can always be tuned. Evo's exterior and interior appearance will take lots of bucks to put some sense to it. I think you like straight line racing more than any other real-world racing, and this is why people would say evo, 350z, G35, etc. are all better than RX8.

Originally posted by Haris
Yes, it has great seats, except they're hard as heck. I doubt anybody enjoying them when going for vacation. Considering the car has 4 doors, it should be kinda car that can be used for family. Well front passangers wouldn't be happy riding for a long time. Rear is worse then mazda3. Anyways, just look at this. RX8's engine can always be tuned. Evo's exterior and interior appearance will take lots of bucks to put some sense to it. I think you like straight line racing more than any other real-world racing, and this is why people would say evo, 350z, G35, etc. are all better than RX8.


I think you have no idea what I like. And once again this is a thread about 1/4 mile times.

Originally posted by Haris
Yes, it has great seats, except they're hard as heck. I doubt anybody enjoying them when going for vacation. Considering the car has 4 doors, it should be kinda car that can be used for family. Well front passangers wouldn't be happy riding for a long time. Rear is worse then mazda3. Anyways, just look at this. RX8's engine can always be tuned. Evo's exterior and interior appearance will take lots of bucks to put some sense to it. I think you like straight line racing more than any other real-world racing, and this is why people would say evo, 350z, G35, etc. are all better than RX8.

That's it! I am showing all of you my hairy-ugly-butt!!!

Originally posted by Haris
Yes, it has great seats, except they're hard as heck. I doubt anybody enjoying them when going for vacation. Considering the car has 4 doors, it should be kinda car that can be used for family. Well front passangers wouldn't be happy riding for a long time. Rear is worse then mazda3. Anyways, just look at this. RX8's engine can always be tuned. Evo's exterior and interior appearance will take lots of bucks to put some sense to it. I think you like straight line racing more than any other real-world racing, and this is why people would say evo, 350z, G35, etc. are all better than RX8.

Family cars and vacations?? Maybe you should buy the "family truckster"! Seriously, the EVO's ride is not that bad. If you are on non-pothole infested roads, its fine. Most EVO owners use it as their daily driver. Anyway, the RX8's backseat is tiny (the EVO's actually has lots of room) and claustrophobic.

No offense, but it seems like quite a few RX8 owners are quite vain and superficial when comments like this are made about PERFORMANCE CARS.

I took one of those wheeled feet counters and took it to a deserted road out on an old bombing test range that was in pretty good condition. I walked off 1320 ft, marking off start and finish with some spray paint, and had my buddy stand right on the finish line with a digital video camera he had borrowed from work that measures time in tenth of a second. We set up, that I would honk my horn 5 equal times and on the fifth time he started the camera and I launched right on the 5th honk from a 6K clutch dump and he ran the camera through the finish. I hit all the gears pretty well, shifts were at approximately 8700 RPM and the camera time at the finish was 13.20. Now taking into account the speed of sound at sea level on a 70 degree day would add 1.17 seconds to the time, which would be 14.37 sec. We repeated this 4 times with my best being my first, the 14.37, and the others were 13.40 (14.57), 14.0 (15.17) slight miss on third gear, 13.80 (14.97) bogged down a little at launch. I did not have download software, or a computer available prior to giving back the camera, so I reviewed all runs and wrote down the results. Maybe someone else can try this where they are at and post results.

My Evo is my daily driver as well. I'm sure everyone is aware that the RX-8 looks amazing in person, and other more performance-oriented cars in the same price range (Evo, STI) dont look as amazing. :) However, as others have stated, this thread is not about my Evo. It's about the fastest RX-8 stock 1/4 mile. I don't consider using 100 octane race gas stock. Again, I will ask, what is the fastest stock time for an RX-8? Is it it 14.7 like IkeWRX said?

Originally posted by renotse
Jayer (rebelzx) seems to be Ike's biggest fanboi.
Jayer (rebelzx) = IkeWRX

Ummm... I'm not IkeWRX. I've been registered on this board longer then you, or IkeWRX, or pretty much everyone that posted in this thread.

Originally posted by Chuck Clifford
Jayer, you lost all your objectivity when you bought the EVO and then test drove the RX-8. I made all my test drives before buying, and have not had a thought of driving any of them again since driving home my 8. IMO, There must be something major missing in your purchase for you to go out driving other cars and then go to their forums and tell them what a mistake they made. Rationalizing ones purchase after the fact has been played out on this forum by many buyers of other vehicles. Its too bad some people can't be happy with their own decision without tearing down somebody elses decision.

I guess I'm not objective then. :) I stopped considering the RX-8 when the real data came in about its performance figures and its sales target audience. I only test drove the RX-8 because it was early on a Saturday and I had some time to kill. If I'm "tearing down someone elses decision", then sorry to whoever now feels like crap because of what some random guy on the internet said about their car. All this animosity makes for a fun thread!

Originally posted by Chuck Clifford
I took one of those wheeled feet counters and took it to a deserted road out on an old bombing test range that was in pretty good condition. I walked off 1320 ft, marking off start and finish with some spray paint, and had my buddy stand right on the finish line with a digital video camera he had borrowed from work that measures time in tenth of a second. We set up, that I would honk my horn 5 equal times and on the fifth time he started the camera and I launched right on the 5th honk from a 6K clutch dump and he ran the camera through the finish. I hit all the gears pretty well, shifts were at approximately 8700 RPM and the camera time at the finish was 13.20. Now taking into account the speed of sound at sea level on a 70 degree day would add 1.17 seconds to the time, which would be 14.37 sec. We repeated this 4 times with my best being my first, the 14.37, and the others were 13.40 (14.57), 14.0 (15.17) slight miss on third gear, 13.80 (14.97) bogged down a little at launch. I did not have download software, or a computer available prior to giving back the camera, so I reviewed all runs and wrote down the results. Maybe someone else can try this where they are at and post results.


Oh my... You are joking right?

It is a thread about peoples fastest quarter mile times, isn't it?

Oh, you mean this is another thread, that must abide by all of the great IKE's thread rules from his DEAD Forum that he unModerates.

Sorry Ike, I'll try not to break anymore of your thread killing absolute rules. Like I said before, I'll read and enjoy anyones experience, official or unofficial. If you don't like them rules, go home.

Its only you and your troll friends who think that getting a 14.57 low ET out of a couple of hundred RX-8 owners on this forum, makes it the official 1/4 mile for all 8000 RX-8's sold.

And no I was not kidding, its official in my book, cuz I don't live at a drag strip, and I don't believe that strips are the only people on earth that can accurately measure time and distance. It is an exact science that we can all do at home.

Ike, you never answered my previous post, of WHAT IS YOUR POINT. Buy an RX-8 Ike, you know you want to.

Chuck,
I would repeat your test, but flick on your lights when you launch.
Have the camera allready running and pointed at the car, then have him pan to the finish line to get the finish.
This would be a better way to time, IMHO.

Why not take it to a dragstrip and post your timeslips Chuck?

Hey Revhappy, just like I told Ike, I ain't playing by your rules. If you don't like the results or the method, it really wouldn't be anything new out of you. Just for you and Ike I did use 94 octane.

Originally posted by Chuck Clifford
Hey Revhappy, just like I told Ike, I ain't playing by your rules. If you don't like the results or the method, it really wouldn't be anything new out of you. Just for you and Ike I did use 94 octane.

Hi Chuck,
You can play by any rules you like however your times will not be generally accepted until you use the unofficial internet car forum method for proving it (timeslips).

BTW..94 Octane is fine as that is sold at most Sunoco stations over here.

Thanks for the help Revhappy, but I like any and all unofficial methods. I might use a different method tomorrow for the benefit of further discussion, but I highly doubt it will involve a dragstrip.

haha this is a joke right?
the only way to get an accurate time that you can compare to anyone else's is with standardization. That is why there are tracks, a standard way of doing it so people can compare.

You're time is fine, but it is in no way comparable with any real time from a track, or a magizine time (which uses the same testing method!) .

So you could run a 12.001 @ 130mph for all I care, because your testing method is idiotic at best!

But Lawerence, we have already been told that we can not use magazine times (1/4 mile strips) because they too are inaccurate according to the heavy troll commumity on this forum.

Yet between the EVO and WRX alone there are probably 200 version of ECU enhancement that can be made to those cars, and people on their forums are posting a wide range of 1/4 mile strip times, and none of them even know what stock is anymore. The only stock numbers left for these cars are in magazine testing.

Straight line speed junkies with no understanding of the RX-8 are constantly trying to reduce the RX-8 to its least common denominator, and their only understandable denominator, raw speed.

When the time comes, there will be dozens of ECU enhancements to the RX-8 and hundreds of 1/4 mile posts ranging from 12 to 15 seconds. Then I suppose using the WRX and EVO mentality it will all make sense.

Hey Chuck...how about filming the ground...honk a bunch of times and then honk when you finish....you should be able to run close to a 4 second 1/4 mile and say you topped the car out in 6th gear.

You have possibly come up with the worst way to ever measure. Your method is filled with flaws. I would believe a G-tech before this terrible method.

jprempe, but you would believe any time from a WRX or EVO owner, who said they run stock. I guess that only makes you half a fool. :D

Originally posted by Chuck Clifford
jprempe, but you would believe any time from a WRX or EVO owner, who said they run stock. I guess that only makes you half a fool. :D

There have been numerous reports of stock EVOs running mid 13s and even some in the low 13s WITH timeslips. Of course you will dismiss all of them with irrational skeptcism yet expect us to believe your flawed, uncomparable method.:confused:

Originally posted by Chuck Clifford
But Lawerence, we have already been told that we can not use magazine times (1/4 mile strips) because they too are inaccurate according to the heavy troll commumity on this forum.

Yet between the EVO and WRX alone there are probably 200 version of ECU enhancement that can be made to those cars, and people on their forums are posting a wide range of 1/4 mile strip times, and none of them even know what stock is anymore. The only stock numbers left for these cars are in magazine testing.


I own a EVO and I'm regularly at the evolutionm.net. The wide range of 1/4 mile times are easy to explain. If you want to get the absolutely best time you have to drop the clutch at 5500-6000 rpms. Well in an AWD that puts a lot of stress on the drivetrain and clutch but this leads to the best times (13.1-13.7). The EVOs that run higher than 13.7 either: 1.) roll off the start without the big clutch drop or 2.) bog the car by dropping the clutch at too low of an rpm...either way leads to a 13.7+ time. Also the driver has a big influence...some are better, some are worse.

Originally posted by Chuck Clifford

Straight line speed junkies with no understanding of the RX-8 are constantly trying to reduce the RX-8 to its least common denominator, and their only understandable denominator, raw speed.

When the time comes, there will be dozens of ECU enhancements to the RX-8 and hundreds of 1/4 mile posts ranging from 12 to 15 seconds. Then I suppose using the WRX and EVO mentality it will all make sense.

I have never reduced the RX8, I have only looked at it with an objective eye. I love the car but it came up very short in the power department. When I was looking for a new car the RX8 was top of the list, but then I found that it lacked the power I wanted in a sports car. Something that is eccential to me. The RX8 has similar power as my Prelude...now I wouldn't have minded the low torque if it had 300 hp but I've done the low torque low horsepower thing and I didn't like it. To me, I wanted a car that not only handled well but could out accelerate the average car easily. A low 15-high 14 second car does not do that...hell even my EVO feels a little light on power once in a while.

Chuck not that i doubt you but seeing the video would be kinda kool. I'll Host it for you if you'd like.

BTW Consider urself warned, just keep ur cool:

Lawerence
renotse
Haris :mad:

Lawerence wrote:
"haha this is a joke right?
the only way to get an accurate time that you can compare to anyone else's is with standardization. That is why there are tracks, a standard way of doing it so people can compare."

Do they check your setup, the fuel your using, and validate stock hardware and software at the track? NO. Do they validate your stock claims? NO. So much for your standardization. Measuring out a 1/4 mile track and starting and stopping a clock are the only standardization performed at a track.

Originally posted by Chuck Clifford
Lawerence wrote:
"haha this is a joke right?
the only way to get an accurate time that you can compare to anyone else's is with standardization. That is why there are tracks, a standard way of doing it so people can compare."

Do they check your setup, the fuel your using, and validate stock hardware and software at the track? NO. Do they validate your stock claims? NO. So much for your standardization. Measuring out a 1/4 mile track and starting and stopping a clock are the only standardization performed at a track.

Yes, but that reduces the error margin and comes much closer to standarization then yours does. Yes, it relies more on honesty, but with enough runs an aberrations should stand-out. Of course, you would argue everyone lies!

Sorry I highjacked this very rhetorical thread. I made no such runs, I have no buddy, no camera, hell I don't even own an RX-8 (yes I do). The whole point was Mag times are not believed, 1/4 mile runs are disputed.

Pretty soon, those who do want to race, will have very fast RX-8s.

Slips will only satisfy the doubters if they say what they are expecting, outherwise they are picked apart. (Gee that 60 doesn't look like it goes with that ET).

Asking people who have just bought a very nice and well rounded vehicle to go out and subject it to its most radical abilities are insane. Properly maximixzing performance from a rotary is an art, at which most RX-8 owners are just becomming accustomed.

Most of the speed curiosity is coming from non RX-8 owners who want to somehow use these times as justification of their purchase. While most RX-8 owners are very happy driving their car everywhere without endagering their Precious.

For those who took me seriously, I apologize, and I have some land here in nothwest florida you might be interested in.......

Those who did not believe it, but did not raise the BS flag, you are too kind. (PoLaK)

I will try and keep my post in a more truthful realm. Its just that feeding the trolls can be so fun.

Lets get back to posting those 1/4 mile runs. ARRRGHH

Originally posted by revhappy
Family cars and vacations?? Maybe you should buy the "family truckster"! Seriously, the EVO's ride is not that bad. If you are on non-pothole infested roads, its fine. Most EVO owners use it as their daily driver. Anyway, the RX8's backseat is tiny (the EVO's actually has lots of room) and claustrophobic.

No offense, but it seems like quite a few RX8 owners are quite vain and superficial when comments like this are made about PERFORMANCE CARS.

Ok, tell me how can evo have comfy ride? those hard sporty seats, suspensions harder than lancer? Lancer is no better than protege. Now unless you consider protege and lancer to be comfy family sedans, then you can consider evo one as well. Anyways, I dont want to go anymore offtopic, so RX8 is slower than 350z, and evo in 1/4 mile.

BAH

Originally posted by Haris
Ok, tell me how can evo have comfy ride? those hard sporty seats, suspensions harder than lancer? Lancer is no better than protege. Now unless you consider protege and lancer to be comfy family sedans, then you can consider evo one as well. Anyways, I dont want to go anymore offtopic, so RX8 is slower than 350z, and evo in 1/4 mile.

So you ask me a question having nothing to do with this thread's focus, but complain about this topic going off the subject in hand? I said the EVO's ride is fine on smooth roads. Is it it a Cadillac? No. Is it livable? Absolutely! Its daily driven by most of the guys on evolutionm.net and my 62 year old mother had no problems on a 2 and a half hour ride.

I was able to do the quarter mile in 12.5 seconds by counting out loud to myself...

ONE ONE THOUSAND, TWO ONE THOUSAND, THREE ONE THOUSAND... :D

Please, Chuck, your method of calculating timeslips is laughable at best. You cannot acurately factor in the speed of sound of you honking your horn, reaction time, and precisely crossing the finish line the way you can at a track.

Perhaps the thread should have stated at the very beginning:

"Best 1/4 mile times AT A FRIGGIN TRACK."

RX8Lover, I tried the one thousand one, one thousand two, but shifting, excelerating, counting, just got to be too much.

Your "Best 1/4 mile times AT A FRIGGIN TRACK." idea has some holes. Is that with a stock car, race gas or not, experienced driver. Every time slip posted has been picked to pieces. "That 60 doesn't match that ET ", That trap speed can't equal that ET.

This whole topic has no acceptable conclusion to its creator. Or the multiple identical threads that will pop up as soon as this dies.

RX8Lover read my last post. I did it again using a mickey mouse watch and a blind Nun, it was a little more accurate, but I'll keep tweaking.

Originally posted by RX8Lover
I was able to do the quarter mile in 12.5 seconds by counting out loud to myself...

ONE ONE THOUSAND, TWO ONE THOUSAND, THREE ONE THOUSAND... :D

Please, Chuck, your method of calculating timeslips is laughable at best. You cannot acurately factor in the speed of sound of you honking your horn, reaction time, and precisely crossing the finish line the way you can at a track.

Perhaps the thread should have stated at the very beginning:

"Best 1/4 mile times AT A FRIGGIN TRACK."

You want me to change it? :D

Consumer reports just tested the RX8, 350z, Sti and Evo

RX8:
1/4 = 15.2
0-60 = 6.7

350z:
1/4 = 14.0
0-60 = 5.3

Sti:
1/4 = 13.4
0-60 = 4.8

Don't remeber the Evo at this moment.. And all the people that are holding on to the numbers (5.9 0-60 and 14.5 1/4) in Car and Driver with a PRE-PRODUCTION RX-8 producing 250HP should forget about it, since that test no mag has tested the RX8 anywhere near those numebrs with a production one.

And a somebody getting a 14.6 with racing fuel, powershifting and years of experience doesn't even count. My best in my Z so far with just an intake was a 13.9@100.86mph with only 4k miles, the best STOCK RX8 I have seen a slip for was 14.8x@93.xx. The low traps are a tell all that its putting down quite a bit less then 238hp.

That's the last straw! I'm putting my RX-8 up for sale and getting one of those stunning 350Zs! Quite obviously the 350Z is a superior automobile! Thanks for enlightening me, 350Z Driver!

sorry to say but there are some mag reports (with updated hp numbers) that have lower 0-60 yimes for the 8. Nice though that you posted the highest one?

most times are low 6's. But I'll let you have the spotlight.:o

oh, and if you look at Canzoomers thread for mods, he has ran a low 6 from 0-60 in his car stock, without an 8k launch. The 8 is slower than the 350Z, but more comparable to the G35. I find it so funny how there are a few guys on here that don't own the car, but have nothing better to do than stir the pot? I feel for yah all

OMG lets stop the unncessary BS between evo, sti, 350z, g35c, and the rx8... I just wasted my time reading this bullshit of people bickering - they are all great cars ok? nice, soooo

where are the time slips?

Originally posted by Broker73
sorry to say but there are some mag reports (with updated hp numbers) that have lower 0-60 yimes for the 8. Nice though that you posted the highest one?

most times are low 6's. But I'll let you have the spotlight.:o

No actually I posted the most recent that included a group test of other sports cars.. Regardless I have not seen a sub 15 second 1/4 from any mag becides the pre-prod C&D review.

If I wanted to post the highest I would of posted the moter trend that got a 15.4 :D

Originally posted by PoLaK
Chuck not that i doubt you but seeing the video would be kinda kool. I'll Host it for you if you'd like.

BTW Consider urself warned, just keep ur cool:

Lawerence
renotse
Haris :mad:
Warned for having intelligence?
Sorry this guys timing method is a joke.



Do they check your setup, the fuel your using, and validate stock hardware and software at the track? NO. Do they validate your stock claims? NO. So much for your standardization. Measuring out a 1/4 mile track and starting and stopping a clock are the only standardization performed at a track.

WTF are you talking about? all I said is that track times are accurate. Your time is not. I said nothing about being stock or modified.

yah ok? there have been times sub 15, and low 6s 0-60, but if you seem so bent on posting those numbers then so be it. Maybe a copy and paste would do. I guess actual time slips from RN that were posted must be fake to eh? They did show 14.6ish times, and low 6s 0-60, and yes PRODUCTION CARS. But being how predicable you are, I am sure you will try and tell me those aren't real, or had to be wrong. For a guy that doesn't own the car, you either really luv it and can't stay away from here, or have nothing better to do?

are you talking to me?
I never sad anything bad about the 8, and i never siad it was slow here...

Originally posted by khoney
That's the last straw! I'm putting my RX-8 up for sale and getting one of those stunning 350Zs! Quite obviously the 350Z is a superior automobile! Thanks for enlightening me, 350Z Driver!

Its tools like this guy that make these threads get out of hand. Now where's that rx7club tool smiley when u need it...

Originally posted by Broker73
yah ok? there have been times sub 15, and low 6s 0-60, but if you seem so bent on posting those numbers then so be it. Maybe a copy and paste would do. I guess actual time slips from RN that were posted must be fake to eh?

RN worked\works directly with Mazda (which cannot be trusted at all) for those tests and is very obvious to me that RN\Mazda would likely have a benevolent agenda strong enough to “stretch” the truth or flat out mislead and lie to increase sales and quiet the nay sayers, especially since these tests were released during all the HP controversy.

Also many of those slips were fishy and didn’t add up, like the 60' times vs. the 1/4 ETs on each slip varied so greatly they could of been using different cars or swapping parts between runs.. If I remember correctly some of the slips were low 15's (probably the tests with prod units\ECUs) and the ones running mid 14's probably had pre-prod ECUs, thats if they were even from RX8's since the 60's vs. ETs were so fishy.

They should of had a video to back up those runs, but even if they did who’s to say they didn't swap the ECU for the overseas full HP producing units, nobody would have any idea. They would surly have the capability to do so.

Inside reviews\tests are not reliable since its very biased toward increasing reputation and creating a "buzz"

well you fell into that one, with your assumptions and theories...haha. Even though there where slips posted. I bet if you took a ride in an 8 that did 14.6 1/4 mile you claim there was a tail-wind:D

Please, do you really expect anyone to believe they faked or fudged those numbers. Keep up the good work. haha:o

Originally posted by Broker73

Please, do you really expect anyone to believe they faked or fudged those numbers. Keep up the good work. haha:o

The cars, not the numbers were "fudged".. Learn how to read and stop being a dumbass...

Originally posted by Broker73
well you fell into that one, with your assumptions and theories...haha. Even though there where slips posted. I bet if you took a ride in an 8 that did 14.6 1/4 mile you claim there was a tail-wind:D

Please, do you really expect anyone to believe they faked or fudged those numbers. Keep up the good work. haha:o

Bleh, those slips were a bit fishy, anyone with a good understanding of drag racing would agree.

oh, and did you bother to read the comments on the RED 31 car that was a production that did 14.6 1/4 mile times. Same car that R&T and Car and Driver used for their tests ! Did you hear that!. PRODUCTION CAR. So please stop with your BS and left field theories on some cover-up that is out there. That number matches close to what most mags achieved for their 1/4mile times. But lets face it, .4 - .6 secs difference can be dictated by a number of factors.

But like I said, keep up the good work!:o

Originally posted by Broker73
oh, and did you bother to read the comments on the RED 31 car that was a production that did 14.6 1/4 mile times. Same car that R&T and Car and Driver used for their tests ! Did you hear that!. PRODUCTION CAR. So please stop with your BS and left field theories on some cover-up that is out there. That number matches close to what most mags achieved for their 1/4mile times. But lets face it, .4 - .6 secs difference can be dictated by a number of factors.

But like I said, keep up the good work!:o


From C&D April 03

"And it did so at an as tested price of 28,300 (an approximation for this pre production car with a mongrel mix of features)."

Doesn't seem like it's a production car to me...

There are plenty of people on s2ki.com, evolutionm.net and I presume other boards that have duplicated or improved upon the magazine times. With ~30,000 cars being produced each year, there should be a few that hit the dragstrip?

Originally posted by IkeWRX
Bleh, those slips were a bit fishy, anyone with a good understanding of drag racing would agree.

What slips are you guys talking about? What were the 60' times?

Originally posted by revhappy
There are plenty of people on s2ki.com, evolutionm.net and I presume other boards that have duplicated or improved upon the magazine times. With ~30,000 cars being produced each year, there should be a few that hit the dragstrip?

I think what revhappy and other users are trying to say is that with all those RX-8's out there, the NORM should be near or better then mag times, just like every other car. Take the Evo for instance. Most Evos run 13.6 or so with some Evos running as fast as 13.0 stock. There are even a few guys that claim 12's stock. :eek: Of course, there are the drivers that are slower, but the NORM is mid 13's. Mag testing got anywhere fom 13.3-13.8. That's what production cars SHOULD do. From the data in this thread, it seems like production RX-8's aren't hitting mag times stock. I haven't seen any evidence to prove otherwise.

On the topic of trap speeds, traps are a very good indication of horsepower. As others have already pointed out, the RX-8 traps in the low 90's. High 14's/low 15's are understandable if the car really is down on power that much. From my brief experience driving it, I don't think its really THAT slow. I guess the real question is, can horsepower be accurately estimated just by looking at trap speeds? Maybe n/a rotaries always trap low?

Originally posted by rebelzx
I think what revhappy and other users are trying to say is that with all those RX-8's out there, the NORM should be near or better then mag times, just like every other car. Take the Evo for instance. Most Evos run 13.6 or so with some Evos running as fast as 13.0 stock. There are even a few guys that claim 12's stock. :eek: Of course, there are the drivers that are slower, but the NORM is mid 13's. Mag testing got anywhere fom 13.3-13.8. That's what production cars SHOULD do. From the data in this thread, it seems like production RX-8's aren't hitting mag times stock. I haven't seen any evidence to prove otherwise.


Exactly, I have entered this arguement many times but the RX8 folks on this site never listen to reason. Also most 350z's are running 13.7x-14.2 right around 100mph right out of the box, mag times were anywhere from 13.9-14.3.

The simple fact is that the RX8 is a low 15's car with high 14's very possible with proper launching and good 60' times.. PEROID. Of course there with be couple running slightly better and a couple running slightly worse - its the nature of engines.

Originally posted by IkeWRX
From C&D April 03

"And it did so at an as tested price of 28,300 (an approximation for this pre production car with a mongrel mix of features)."

Doesn't seem like it's a production car to me...

Ike, please clarify what a "mongrel mix of features" means. I suspect that in your zealous haste to take another cheap shot at the 8 you made a wrong assumption. $28300 is the price of a Sport package 6sp with no other options. Very common configuration. Mazda has 8 available in my area for that exact price. Regardless, list price is no basis to determine production date.


You need post more facts and less conjecture.

See for Yourself (http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/vlSelectVehicle.action?exterior=ALL&year=2004&interiorCode=ALL&vehicleCode=RX8&tranCode=ALL&distance=150&vtype=NEW&imageLocation=rx8%2Fimages%2Fphotographs%2Fpho_bui _rx8_ext_red_your.gif&interior=ALL&isFromDealer=false&totalVehicles=420&city=&trans=ALL&incentives=&msrp=25%2C700&trim=ALL&start=51&zip=77546&isCPOSearch=false&sort=price&vin=JM1FE173040102129&foundVins=JM1FE173940127157%2CJM1FE173840126811%2C JM1FE173840127540%2CJM1FE17N040121118%2CJM1FE17304 0102129%2CJM1FE173240101404%2CJM1FE173640109392%2C JM1FE173740116819%2CJM1FE173840117669%2CJM1FE17394 0116854&modelTrimName=RX-8&dealerId=&state=&engineCode=ALL&name=RX-8&exteriorCode=ALL&vehicleIndex=4&dealerName=&isComplete=true&engine=ALL)

Originally posted by renotse
Ike, please clarify what a "mongrel mix of features" means. I suspect that in your zealous haste to take another cheap shot at the 8 you made a wrong assumption. $28300 is the price of a Sport package 6sp with no other options. Very common configuration. Mazda has 8 available in my area for that exact price. Regardless, list price is no basis to determine production date.


You need post more facts and less conjecture.




That was a direct quote from C&D the only time they have reviewed the RX-8. I was simply pointing out it was not a production car, which C&D clearly notes.

Originally posted by RussellP
watch the rx-8 top gear episode and youll realise you made the wrong desicion...tied an M3 on a track

where can i find this?

Originally posted by 350z Driver
Consumer reports just tested the RX8, 350z, Sti and Evo

Sti:
1/4 = 13.4
0-60 = 4.8



i just saw 12.9xx in a stock STI at their forums....

Originally posted by luckee2bhere
i just saw 12.9xx in a stock STI at their forums....

I don't doubt that at all.. I have seen Stock Sti's running 13.2 ish at my local drag strip, and i'm sure with perfect conditions and a strong car you could easily squeeze a few more tenths out of it.

From the Sevenstock forum on this board:

"Okay fresh from Sevenstock.. the RX-8 guys hit Mazda pretty hard with questions on HP.. and when you read between the lines this is what the deal is.

Mazda re-flashed the ECU to fatten the mixture. That seems to be it. They said they did it for a number of reason.. the biggest seems to be that new cars have to have a cat that lasts for 10+ years.. running lean will kill the cat before that so they had to change the map. Then they went into this crap about how hot the cat gets when running lean and starting fires but I don't buy that. It was also hinted that if you get ahold of a J-spec ECU it will plug and play and give you full HP.

The test cars the journalists used were running 100 octaine with the J-spec ECUs. The ECU will give mo powah with higher octaine.. or at least it did before they changed it. The Japanese Renesis guys freaked when they found out that Cali only has 91 octaine and told them to put in 100 for the tests."

Originally posted by 350z Driver
No actually I posted the most recent that included a group test of other sports cars.. Regardless I have not seen a sub 15 second 1/4 from any mag becides the pre-prod C&D review.

If I wanted to post the highest I would of posted the moter trend that got a 15.4 :D

Or this one:

http://www.autocarmagazine.com/RoadTest_FullData.asp?RT=202089

which has the "228" horsepower RX-8 needing 15.3 seconds to cover a 1/4 mile and 7.1 seconds to get to 60 MPH. As for the 350Z this is also an interesting thread:

http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51393&pagenumber=1

Looks like the pre production 350Z's also had a little more go juice under the hood. As did a STI and an Evo that was also tested. That is not unusual for a "press" car and goes a long way to explain how the production RX-8 is slower than the ones tested in the mags.

Thor.

pfft that autocarmagazine page listed the RX-8 top speed at 142 when theres about 30 people on this board that have topped that by a long way. That info is all way off. Someone in here has taken in to 159 and on a dyno it goes 170.

Originally posted by RussellP
pfft that autocarmagazine page listed the RX-8 top speed at 142 when theres about 30 people on this board that have topped that by a long way. That info is all way off. Someone in here has taken in to 159 and on a dyno it goes 170.


You do understand that on a dyno the car doesn't have to fight against wind resistance, which is a HUGE difference, right?

Car speedometers tend to be optimistic also. Just keep that in mind.

I highly highly doubt anybody hit 159 in an RX8 unless they speedo was WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY wayyyyyy off... You are not gonna come close to 160 with under 200 HP to the wheels on a 3000 lb car.. Every production rx8 test I have seen the top speed was 142-148.

And the people that brought up 170 on a dyno, get a clue.

Originally posted by 350z Driver
And the people that brought up 170 on a dyno, get a clue.

First, you have some serious attitude problem. Second, learn to quote the right people (I am referring to the Judge Ito thread)

So please, go get a clue (or glue)

Originally posted by 350z Driver
No actually I posted the most recent that included a group test of other sports cars.. Regardless I have not seen a sub 15 second 1/4 from any mag becides the pre-prod C&D review.

Try Road and Track. Stop trolling ur info is false, the cars in the C&D review and R&T review were both production cars for production price (after all why would C&D compare a non production car to 2 other productions).

Road and Track managed the same 1/4 Mile time as C&D from a car 300 pounds heavier. (C&D tested the Sport Pkg model and R&T tested the GT model). I quote the Jan. Issue of C&D, " the RX-8 need 6 to 7 secs to get to 60 depending upon how badly u ABUSE THE CLUTCH". Do you have to drop at 7.5-8 rpms to get a respectable time? YES, but most of us don't do that in real world driving and those that are mature enough to take it to the track have money to spend on new or harder clutches. And its cornering ability is .91 which is considerably higher then the Z (.88) and G35 (.86), which is also more "real world" then the 0-60 scenario.

Originally posted by PoLaK
Try Road and Track. Stop trolling ur info is false, the cars in the C&D review and R&T review were both production cars for production price (after all why would C&D compare a non production car to 2 other productions).

Road and Track managed the same 1/4 Mile time as C&D from a car 300 pounds heavier. (C&D tested the Sport Pkg model and R&T tested the GT model). I quote the Jan. Issue of C&D, " the RX-8 need 6 to 7 secs to get to 60 depending upon how badly u ABUSE THE CLUTCH". Do you have to drop at 7.5-8 rpms to get a respectable time? YES, but most of us don't do that in real world driving and those that are mature enough to take it to the track have money to spend on new or harder clutches. And its cornering ability is .91 which is considerably higher then the Z (.88) and G35 (.86), which is also more "real world" then the 0-60 scenario.

Your post is filled with errors! All of the RX8 road tests by the US magazines were pre-production cars as they were tested in March/April and the RX8 didn't arrive until July (after the supposed dealy for the ECU reflash at the port).

While the Grand Touring model is heavier than the Sport package, it is not even close to 300 Lbs. heavier (maybe 50-100 lbs.).

Finally, skidpad test results vary significantly (see the variation on almost any car in different tests).

Originally posted by PoLaK
And its cornering ability is .91 which is considerably higher then the Z (.88) and G35 (.86), which is also more "real world" then the 0-60 scenario.

LOL, ya like everybody is pushing there car up to .9 G's on a daily basis.. I have a G-Timer in my car and I have gotten my car up to .90 before in a parking lot messing around, but after .7 everything in your car starts to get flung around and hitting bumps while exceeding .7-.75 gets a bit scary..

I doubt anybody exceeds .5G's on a day to day basis unless they are really trying to push it. Going from 0-60 is alot more "real world" then hitting .88 or .91 G's and your crazy if you think otherwise..

Mazda RX-8 Curb weight with driver (R&T) 3180
Mazda RX-8 Curb weight with driver (C&D) 2940 which is also with drive as the sport model weighted by members is 2860 (I believe could be wrong).

As for the Ecu's being reflashed maybe, maybe not you don't know. Judge's car got a 14.5 whether it was done me (a 16year old kid) or him (a 15 year old drag vet). And as for powershifting you can infer R&T did that, i quote "we used a 7.5 rpm for our drag-strip launches. Despite the resulting wheel spin the elevated revs keep the wankel in the fattest par of it powerband"

Originally posted by PoLaK
Mazda RX-8 Curb weight with driver (R&T) 3180
Mazda RX-8 Curb weight with driver (C&D) 2940 which is also with drive as the sport model weighted by members is 2860 (I believe could be wrong).

That 2,940 lb. figure is NOT with the driver! The weight of the sport package measured by members was around 2,940 lbs. and 2,980 lbs. I beleive the variance may be due to the amount of gas in the tank.

Originally posted by PoLaK
As for the Ecu's being reflashed maybe, maybe not you don't know. Judge's car got a 14.5 whether it was done me (a 16year old kid) or him (a 15 year old drag vet). And as for powershifting you can infer R&T did that, i quote "we used a 7.5 rpm for our drag-strip launches. Despite the resulting wheel spin the elevated revs keep the wankel in the fattest par of it powerband"

Again, he did it with an unusually strong car and race gas. Interestingly, his car just about died shortly after. This needs to be duplicate by a few other cars using pump gas to end the controversy.

Originally posted by RussellP
pfft that autocarmagazine page listed the RX-8 top speed at 142 when theres about 30 people on this board that have topped that by a long way. That info is all way off. Someone in here has taken in to 159 and on a dyno it goes 170.

I would believe the results of the car being actually driven on the track with timing equipment from a reputable magazine, then a number someone saw on the dyno on their speedo. That is not an accurate way to record top speed on a car, nor is reading your speedo either unfortunately.

Thor.

Originally posted by 350z Driver
LOL, ya like everybody is pushing there car up to .9 G's on a daily basis.. I have a G-Timer in my car and I have gotten my car up to .90 before in a parking lot messing around, but after .7 everything in your car starts to get flung around and hitting bumps while exceeding .7-.75 gets a bit scary..

I doubt anybody exceeds .5G's on a day to day basis unless they are really trying to push it. Going from 0-60 is alot more "real world" then hitting .88 or .91 G's and your crazy if you think otherwise..

Get out of here! Yeah, so a quarter mile time difference of 1.5~2 seconds makes a big difference on the street for 'real world' driving! You are crazy if you think like you do! Ups...it came out harsh: good!:D

can someone please get mazda to give me an rx8, so there will another posted time besides judge ito's because everyone else is too scared to race their cars

i know its winter time on the east coast but what about all the west coast guys!

Originally posted by vosko
can someone please get mazda to give me an rx8, so there will another posted time besides judge ito's because everyone else is too scared to race their cars

i know its winter time on the east coast but what about all the west coast guys!


We saw your runs in his car.... not so good... Haha, just givin you a hard time :p

Originally posted by RX8-TX
Get out of here! Yeah, so a quarter mile time difference of 1.5~2 seconds makes a big difference on the street for 'real world' driving! You are crazy if you think like you do! Ups...it came out harsh: good!:D

As much difference as 100 hp.

Originally posted by O.R.A.
As much difference as 100 hp.
Pardon my impertinence, but for the 'real world driving' scenario, you can have 1000hp difference. I don't give a dang, if you don't have a stretch to use them, those ponies are not worth a lot (now, I am not being a snob saying I wouldn't want half of that! :D )

Hey Vosko, I asked you for some tips and you just ignored me. NJ is a bit of a drive for me man. I'm trying to fit in some time to play, but sadly, play is soemthing I dont have too much time for right now.

Lets see how the holiday shapes up. Lovely weather here so far :D

Originally posted by RX8-TX
Get out of here! Yeah, so a quarter mile time difference of 1.5~2 seconds makes a big difference on the street for 'real world' driving! You are crazy if you think like you do! Ups...it came out harsh: good!:D

Do you have ANY clue what torque it? Do you know the Z has 2 times as much of it to the wheels then the RX8? Say I am going 30-35 in 3rd gear and I mash the pedel, the car takes off straight to the redline with no fuss and plenty of power.. Now in the RX8 with half the torque, your cruising at 30-35 and you mash the pedal, you get slow gradual acceleration until you get closer to your extreemly high HP peak. I know how this works, I have driven MANY VTEC style engines, My buddies old 15 second, 95mph trap 2000 Celica GTS had NOTHING until it hit the VTEC at 6k to the 8300 redline, this is very similar to the RX8 since the powerband is NOT smooth and its very peaky and the torque curve is nearly none existant..

Now imagine throwing in a few passangers (up to 4 in an rx8!!), that makes it MUCH MUCH worse and you will be reving crazy. Torque makes everyday driving effortless. Like going up hills, I can go up a very steep incline in 3rd gear at around 2k-2.5k rpms with no sweat.

Thats the "real world" difference when NOT talking about overall acceleration. Advantage = Z and any cars WITH torque. You don't have to rev your engines to HELL to get power out of it.

Originally posted by 350z Driver
Do you have ANY clue what torque it? Do you know the Z has 2 times as much of it to the wheels then the RX8?

350z Driver, Do you have any idea what a transmission is? :confused:

Quoted from an Article written by Paul Yaw of Yaw Power

If I were to do my own "Most Ridiculous" item in the world of racing it would be based on the following statement. "Horsepower sells motor cars, but torque wins motor races." This couldn’t be further from the truth.

Like it or not, everything that goes on around us is governed by the laws of physics, and these laws are non-negotiable. The good news is that we don’t have to be Einstein to apply the basic laws of physics to racing. The fact that too few do is the reason that such ridiculous statements are common in racing.............

........As you can see, a gearbox gives us a simple way to vary the torque through leverage, and it is equivalent to changing the length of the lever. Thanks to gears, we can have any amount of torque that we want!


350z Driver,
Please read this article completely and learn something about torque.

Complete Text of Paul Yaw's excellent article Torque vs Horsepower (http://www.yawpower.com/tqvshp.html)

Then post your apology to the forum for spreading the uniformed rantings of the "GALACTICALLY STUPID" ;)

I want to talk to the guy who posted this originally. I think I read he signed on as someone else. But I think his point was the reason he considered an RX-8 was it was quick. And when he found it wasn't he bought something else. An AWD Evo.

I hope everyone jumps all over me for what I am about to say. Unless you are one hell of a driver 99% of you will never get the full performance out of any car. Unless you take YOUR car to the track over and over. There is a good chanch YOU"LL NEVER learn how to really drive the car. But lets say most of us are inline to drive John Forces car when he retires. We are just that good, great drivers. But, we haven another problem. We just can't master that tree. We have been to the track three times in the last year. We have never felt what it's like to race under pressure. In a money round...........Our reactions just suck. Too often I thing many people buy a car then aren't happy cause they can't drive the car.

Mr. EVO - have you been to the track? I would think an AWD car might handle better than a RWD car. Have you tangled with the 300 h.p. AWD Subaru yet.

What difference does it matter how quick the car is if YOU can't drive the car? The magazines say it runs a best of 14.5........ If every RX-8 ran 14.5 and I caught you sleeping at the tree more than likely I could run slower than that and beat you..

14.5 is quick. 15.0 is quick 15.5, isn't bad either. I think the car was designed to do something else then run 1320' and turn. How much of your driving is devoted to 100% performance? Or do you really need a quick car to hide your poor driving skills?

If your EVO runs like the one in my car club you'll run 13.9 in the 1/4. While that's quicker the the RX-8. I have an automatic FWD Cavalier that would be all the match you ever wanted on the track. Think about it A Cavalier beating and EVO. So while you're pointing out how quick your car is in this forum why can't you just blow my doors off with your higher h.p. AWD car...?

Originally posted by 350z Driver
Do you have ANY clue what torque it? Do you know the Z has 2 times as much of it to the wheels then the RX8? Say I am going 30-35 in 3rd gear and I mash the pedel, the car takes off straight to the redline with no fuss and plenty of power.. Now in the RX8 with half the torque, your cruising at 30-35 and you mash the pedal, you get slow gradual acceleration until you get closer to your extreemly high HP peak. I know how this works, I have driven MANY VTEC style engines, My buddies old 15 second, 95mph trap 2000 Celica GTS had NOTHING until it hit the VTEC at 6k to the 8300 redline, this is very similar to the RX8 since the powerband is NOT smooth and its very peaky and the torque curve is nearly none existant..

Now imagine throwing in a few passangers (up to 4 in an rx8!!), that makes it MUCH MUCH worse and you will be reving crazy. Torque makes everyday driving effortless. Like going up hills, I can go up a very steep incline in 3rd gear at around 2k-2.5k rpms with no sweat.

Thats the "real world" difference when NOT talking about overall acceleration. Advantage = Z and any cars WITH torque. You don't have to rev your engines to HELL to get power out of it.

I will ask you the same question Renotse did: Do you know what a transmission is?? I am pretty sure that you can outaccelerate almost anything in 6th gear as well. I don't give a FUCK. Can't you understand that?? I DON'T GIVE A FUCK: for what is worth you could outaccelerate a grandma' in a scooter, or Schumy and his Ferrari;.....on the street, were you car has to take you places, and you have to do a lane change, or are on a passing situation: you have to know how to f'ing drive YOUR car.

Now, I believe I derranged totaly from the 1/4. Back on topic.

Originally posted by Rick King
I want to talk to the guy who posted this originally. I think I read he signed on as someone else. But I think his point was the reason he considered an RX-8 was it was quick. And when he found it wasn't he bought something else. An AWD Evo.

I hope everyone jumps all over me for what I am about to say. Unless you are one hell of a driver 99% of you will never get the full performance out of any car. Unless you take YOUR car to the track over and over. There is a good chanch YOU"LL NEVER learn how to really drive the car. But lets say most of us are inline to drive John Forces car when he retires. We are just that good, great drivers. But, we haven another problem. We just can't master that tree. We have been to the track three times in the last year. We have never felt what it's like to race under pressure. In a money round...........Our reactions just suck. Too often I thing many people buy a car then aren't happy cause they can't drive the car.

Mr. EVO - have you been to the track? I would think an AWD car might handle better than a RWD car. Have you tangled with the 300 h.p. AWD Subaru yet.

What difference does it matter how quick the car is if YOU can't drive the car? The magazines say it runs a best of 14.5........ If every RX-8 ran 14.5 and I caught you sleeping at the tree more than likely I could run slower than that and beat you..

14.5 is quick. 15.0 is quick 15.5, isn't bad either. I think the car was designed to do something else then run 1320' and turn. How much of your driving is devoted to 100% performance? Or do you really need a quick car to hide your poor driving skills?

If your EVO runs like the one in my car club you'll run 13.9 in the 1/4. While that's quicker the the RX-8. I have an automatic FWD Cavalier that would be all the match you ever wanted on the track. Think about it A Cavalier beating and EVO. So while you're pointing out how quick your car is in this forum why can't you just blow my doors off with your higher h.p. AWD car...?

Well, I'm not "Mr. EVO" who started the thread, butI'd like to address your points (though you seem to be running all over the place). First, off I there are some roads I take fairly regularly, that are so challenging that I have exceeded the limits on the EVO. Sure, a road course is something everyone would enjoy, but the ability to access them is limited. :( Of course, driver skill is important as everyone should take a good driving course.

As for the times, numerous gius on evolutionm.net (and in our local EVO club) have achievied times 13.0 - 13.5 in stock EVOs.

In regards to the Cavalier, I assume its modded and driven by a super driver? You are throwing additional variables (i.e. money for parts and the development of skills). Put the same money into the EVO and its not even close.

That is the problem when talking to magazine racers like 350Z driver, he always talks real world, yet has no real world experience of anything but his Z, and his friends old honda. He assumes that the gearing in the RX-8 is the same as his Z, (and they are not close). He assumes that because his friend honda runs 15 seconds and revs high that this is the same as the RX-8. Even though many people have driven both and say there is no comparison. I told him that my RX-8 goes to 68 MPH in second gear at redline, and he said, that it doesn't because his Z can't do that. This guy is really ignorant about any and all processes that creates speed, making him incapable of reading his own butt dyno. Don't worry 350Z driver, scientist are close to perfecting a device that will help you see clearer. A GLASS STOMACH.

Originally posted by Chuck Clifford
That is the problem when talking to magazine racers like 350Z driver, he always talks real world, yet has no real world experience of anything but his Z, and his friends old honda. He assumes that the gearing in the RX-8 is the same as his Z, (and they are not close). He assumes that because his friend honda runs 15 seconds and revs high that this is the same as the RX-8. Even though many people have driven both and say there is no comparison. I told him that my RX-8 goes to 68 MPH in second gear at redline, and he said, that it doesn't because his Z can't do that. This guy is really ignorant about any and all processes that creates speed, making him incapable of reading his own butt dyno. Don't worry 350Z driver, scientist are close to perfecting a device that will help you see clearer. A GLASS STOMACH.

Uhhhhh, that reminds me: was 350Z Driver who asserted that his Z has similar gearing as the RX8. If so, then explain this to me 'scientist' - How is it possible that the RX8 reaches 60+ mph @ 8500+ rpms in second gear, when you probably reach that @ 6500~7000 rpm ?? What does that mean? Is the gearing identical, or even similar??

Here you go, just for fun: 25% difference on the final drive ratio.

Originally posted by RX8-TX
Here you go, just for fun: 25% difference on the final drive ratio.

Great post, RX8-TX. Gearing is so often overlooked, but a high reving engine can really use it to its advantage. That being said, some of us thought the gearing was a bit too conservative given the weight of the car and wheel size. I think the Renesis's fuel economy and emissions issues were the main cause of that.

...message severely edited...


In the end, and in REALITY the 350z outperforms the RX8 in any and all acceleration tests you can throw at it no matter what you ... believe.. They are simply in a different class.

Re-added stats:

5-60 for 350z = 5.9 seconds
5-60 for RX8 = 8 seconds...

Function of torque

350 if you are done
please leave you are in the wrong forum

and that's what you look like
you look like you got hit by a HONDA CELICA

Why does that clown even think we care what he has to say?

Originally posted by RX8-TX
Pardon my impertinence, but for the 'real world driving' scenario, you can have 1000hp difference. I don't give a dang, if you don't have a stretch to use them, those ponies are not worth a lot (now, I am not being a snob saying I wouldn't want half of that! :D )


You don't need much of a stretch to go to 60 or 70 mph. It does happen every day in the real world.

...let's keep this on track....

Congratulations every body the 350z accelerates faster then the RX-8 wopptyfu*kindoo. I had no idea I thought I was going to be able to smoke dem 350s at the light. (Insert sarcasm here ^)

If you would kindly leave the forum 350 it would be much appreciated as your soul purpose is now fulfill.

And btw there is no "Torque at the Wheels" you can measure it there but there is no physical torque.

Keep it all on track, and professional.

Originally posted by revhappy
Great post, RX8-TX. Gearing is so often overlooked, but a high reving engine can really use it to its advantage. That being said, some of us thought the gearing was a bit too conservative given the weight of the car and wheel size. I think the Renesis's fuel economy and emissions issues were the main cause of that.

Thanks Revhappy!
A car with the 8s characteristics would have benefited from a taller final gear to keep revs higher, or a shorter final ratio?? (keeping drive ratios intact.)
Thanks again for the compliments man! (long live the Elise!)

Originally posted by O.R.A.
You don't need much of a stretch to go to 60 or 70 mph. It does happen every day in the real world.

Absolutely, it happens pretty often actually: from 35 mph and on to enter a ramp, or from 50+ to 70+ on a passing situation. On the other hand, I am not exiting a turn @ 5 mph and pretend to climb up to 60 on the streets (I don't want to lose my license or my life.)

In other words, I would love to try a 500+hp car, who wouldn't?
But for a daily friendly driver, the 8 is no slouch. People can say whatever they want. But in the end: I drive it everyday, and I don't have a reason to complaint about it (none)

Originally posted by RX8-TX
Thanks Revhappy!
A car with the 8s characteristics would have benefited from a taller final gear to keep revs higher, or a shorter final ratio?? (keeping drive ratios intact.)
Thanks again for the compliments man! (long live the Elise!)

Higher numerical gear ratio numbers - you know the Buger Principal of Torque at the Wheels - Total Gear Ratio (i.e. 1st * Final) * Engine Torque/Wheel Diameter.

Originally posted by Rick King
I want to talk to the guy who posted this originally. I think I read he signed on as someone else. But I think his point was the reason he considered an RX-8 was it was quick. And when he found it wasn't he bought something else. An AWD Evo.

I hope everyone jumps all over me for what I am about to say. Unless you are one hell of a driver 99% of you will never get the full performance out of any car. Unless you take YOUR car to the track over and over. There is a good chanch YOU"LL NEVER learn how to really drive the car. But lets say most of us are inline to drive John Forces car when he retires. We are just that good, great drivers. But, we haven another problem. We just can't master that tree. We have been to the track three times in the last year. We have never felt what it's like to race under pressure. In a money round...........Our reactions just suck. Too often I thing many people buy a car then aren't happy cause they can't drive the car.

Mr. EVO - have you been to the track? I would think an AWD car might handle better than a RWD car. Have you tangled with the 300 h.p. AWD Subaru yet.

What difference does it matter how quick the car is if YOU can't drive the car? The magazines say it runs a best of 14.5........ If every RX-8 ran 14.5 and I caught you sleeping at the tree more than likely I could run slower than that and beat you..

14.5 is quick. 15.0 is quick 15.5, isn't bad either. I think the car was designed to do something else then run 1320' and turn. How much of your driving is devoted to 100% performance? Or do you really need a quick car to hide your poor driving skills?

If your EVO runs like the one in my car club you'll run 13.9 in the 1/4. While that's quicker the the RX-8. I have an automatic FWD Cavalier that would be all the match you ever wanted on the track. Think about it A Cavalier beating and EVO. So while you're pointing out how quick your car is in this forum why can't you just blow my doors off with your higher h.p. AWD car...?

You know what, you are absolutely right. :) I can't drive my car at 99% right now. But thats why I'm trying to get better. AutoX, driving schools, 1/4 mile runs, road racing, you name it, I have already done it or am making plans too. Right now I'm just waiting for my car to age a bit more and for nothing serious to go wrong with it to start doing anything beyond drag racing. Need to keep my warranty for a bit longer. :D

Your friend who runs the 13.9 either doesn't know how to launch the Evo, is in crazy high elevations with high temps to match, or just plain cant drive. I did a 13.9 when I bogged my launch. And I do mean BOGGED. My last 3 runs at the track go like this: 1st run, 13.5 @ 99 mph short shifting with shitty 60 foot (only 1.90). Next run 13.9 @ 99 mph bogging badly and still short shifting (6800-6900 rpm). Last run 1.775 60 ft, MISSED 3RD, and still ran 13.9. This was my second time ever drag racing the car. The first time drag racing, I couldn't get any traction :eek: due to freezing temperatures and stock summer tires. I managed a 13.6 @ 101 with 1.99 60 ft, lighting up all 4 off the line.

However, this thread is not about MY 1/4 mile times, it's about the fastest stock RX-8 1/4 mile time. Please try to keep it on topic. Not like it isn't big enough already. ;)

P.S. As far as handling is concerned, let me finish the video I'm currently editing of my car in action. I think you'll see that I put it through quite a lot. :) Can you say, 4WD drifting... in the snow? :D I also drive the car very hard where I can. Like RevHappy, I have a few local roads with some great twistys that I love to hit up. Of course I never get it to the limits, but theres no point in doing so on public roads. That's what tracks are for. Can't wait for AutoX season. And for the road course at Englishtown to get finished. :)

350z, we all know the 8 has a slower 5-60 time, but once again you are off

R&T and a Euro mag has the 8 at 5-60 in 7.5secs

The car has to be run at high rpms to get the most out of it, but it has also had higher reviews by almost every mag than the 350z. Canzoomer has finished his stage one mod to get back to better maps for the car, and it adds 25hp to the 8. I am sure it will surprise a few z's at a light if that is what is important to you??

All I have to say is...


Carroll Shelby > Paul Yaw

Originally posted by Broker73
350z, we all know the 8 has a slower 5-60 time, but once again you are off

R&T and a Euro mag has the 8 at 5-60 in 7.5secs

The car has to be run at high rpms to get the most out of it, but it has also had higher reviews by almost every mag than the 350z. Canzoomer has finished his stage one mod to get back to better maps for the car, and it adds 25hp to the 8. I am sure it will surprise a few z's at a light if that is what is important to you??

Stop comparing modded cars to stock cars!

who is carol shelby

Originally posted by mikeb
who is carol shelby

Many have said Carroll Shelby was the greatest single influence on America's racing posture in the post-1945 period. If nothing else, there can be no doubting his motorsports achievements and versatility.

He also coined the phrase "Horsepower sells cars, raw torque wins races"
more info here (http://www.motorsportshalloffame.com/halloffame/1991/Carol_Shelby_main.htm)


Originally posted by IkeWRX
All I have to say is...


Carroll Shelby > Paul Yaw

Isaac Newton > Carroll Shelby :eek:

Is it possible that "Ike's World" operates on a different set of Physical Laws ???? http://images.ar15.com/forums/smiles/anim_whacko.gif

Ike I hope you read that article on torque by Paul Yaw you might have learned something....... although I doubt you need to understand physics selling wine for a living.

thanks renotse

I never paided much attention to amercian cars or racing

I love rice

Originally posted by mikeb
who is carol shelby

Ever heard of a Shelby Cobra?

Originally posted by RX8-TX
Ever heard of a Shelby Cobra?

yes, I figured that but didn't want to ASSUME

Mr. EVO. I think you came here and posed the question of WHAT'S THE BEST E.T. you RX-8 guys are getting? Already knowing the answers you were going to receive. When I said I have a Cavalier and was willing to race your mighty EVO for 1320.' All of a sudden friends in your club in EVO's ran low 13's. I think the whole point of your post was to draw attention to the fact the might EVO, fill in the blanks with your favorite car, is quicker than the RX-8. A smart person might have been able to figure that out by reading a few trends here or a few magazine articles.There was no need for you to tell anyone how great your EVO is. There is no reason for someone with a 350Z to come here and slam the RX-8.

Someone said they never paid any attention to American cars. I would still race YOU in your EVO with my automatic American made Z24 Cavalier. Just to prove while your EVO is quicker than the quickest RX-8. It's not the quickest dog in the pack with you driving................. I am really not interested in racing your friends. They didn't ask the question, you did. But since someone brought up American cars I would be happy to race your friends with the American car you'll find behind door #2 at my house. I sell Chevrolets and Mazdas. I haven't build a Mazda yet. I have a 13 second, street tired, automatic street driven Z24. I also have a street driven automatic stock block twin turbo SS. It's only 2 WD. On slicks it's run 9.9's on many tracks and traps @ 135 - 137 mph. It's also NHRA legal.

I am real happy you're happy with your EVO. It's people like you who allow me to earn a living selling cars. When you spend 30k for your next car I sincerely hope your happy. But please don't rub salt into the eyes of the owners of the cars you passed over. Along the way to buying your Mighty EVO, or what ever. Stay on your EVO web pages unless you have something positive to say.

And please keep buying cars. Shop 87 dealers if yo want the next time you buy your car. The dealers always have NEW cars on the lot and money in the bank. While you drive a used EVO and make payments.

Hopefully, we are now on the same page. Enjoy your EVO. Hope it's still running after you're finished making payments. You do sound like a car guy.

Originally posted by Rick King

Someone said they never paid any attention to American cars. I would still race YOU in your EVO with my automatic American made Z24 Cavalier. Just to prove while your EVO is quicker than the quickest RX-8. It's not the quickest dog in the pack with you driving................. I am really not interested in racing your friends. They didn't ask the question, you did. But since someone brought up American cars I would be happy to race your friends with the American car you'll find behind door #2 at my house. I sell Chevrolets and Mazdas. I haven't build a Mazda yet. I have a 13 second, street tired, automatic street driven Z24. I also have a street driven automatic stock block twin turbo SS. It's only 2 WD. On slicks it's run 9.9's on many tracks and traps @ 135 - 137 mph. It's also NHRA legal.


Look back real close at the beginning of this thread. I never brought up my car- someone else did. I've just been responding. When did I ever talk about anyone racing you? I never talked about having my friends race you either? If you want to race me, fine. Come to Englishtown when it opens next season. By then I'll probably be running 12's with some MODS on my car.

Originally posted by Rick King
Mr. EVO. I think you came here and posed the question of WHAT'S THE BEST E.T. you RX-8 guys are getting? Already knowing the answers you were going to receive. When I said I have a Cavalier and was willing to race your mighty EVO for 1320.' All of a sudden friends in your club in EVO's ran low 13's. I think the whole point of your post was to draw attention to the fact the might EVO, fill in the blanks with your favorite car, is quicker than the RX-8. A smart person might have been able to figure that out by reading a few trends here or a few magazine articles.There was no need for you to tell anyone how great your EVO is. There is no reason for someone with a 350Z to come here and slam the RX-8.

Someone said they never paid any attention to American cars. I would still race YOU in your EVO with my automatic American made Z24 Cavalier. Just to prove while your EVO is quicker than the quickest RX-8. It's not the quickest dog in the pack with you driving................. I am really not interested in racing your friends. They didn't ask the question, you did. But since someone brought up American cars I would be happy to race your friends with the American car you'll find behind door #2 at my house. I sell Chevrolets and Mazdas. I haven't build a Mazda yet. I have a 13 second, street tired, automatic street driven Z24. I also have a street driven automatic stock block twin turbo SS. It's only 2 WD. On slicks it's run 9.9's on many tracks and traps @ 135 - 137 mph. It's also NHRA legal.

I am real happy you're happy with your EVO. It's people like you who allow me to earn a living selling cars. When you spend 30k for your next car I sincerely hope your happy. But please don't rub salt into the eyes of the owners of the cars you passed over. Along the way to buying your Mighty EVO, or what ever. Stay on your EVO web pages unless you have something positive to say.

And please keep buying cars. Shop 87 dealers if yo want the next time you buy your car. The dealers always have NEW cars on the lot and money in the bank. While you drive a used EVO and make payments.

Hopefully, we are now on the same page. Enjoy your EVO. Hope it's still running after you're finished making payments. You do sound like a car guy.

What a convuluted post? :confused: Anyway, its kind of hard for us to "stay on our EVO web pages" when we have been here for nearly two years. Anyway, the question was posed by Jayer to gauge the RX8's acceleration, which is part of the equation of any sports/sporty car. The fact that you also have a couple of Domestic Drag Monsters does not change the validity of his question.

Jayer, the original poster said he considered an RX-8 but went with the Mighty EVO cause it was quicker. He also said a friend of his said an RX-8 ran 14.2 and Jayer said that was BS.

I've seen magazines that posted 14.5/ I've seen magazines that said 15's. I think the car is a mid to low 15 second car............. I wouldn't dump the the clutch at 7,500 rpm to make my RZ-8 run it best. But that's me. The car does more than run 1320'. I think I pointed out while the EVO is quicker than the RX-8. There are other cars faster..

WTF??? 10 pages of useless bickering...
Someone please post some slips of a STOCK RX8 on 94 and lower gas!
From what I have seen thus far, judging by the trap speeds that the 8 is acheiving, it is a high 14, low 15 sec car and should not even be compared to the 350Z, EVO, STI because the 1/4 does not seem to be it's strong point.

Originally posted by EP3_DC5
WTF??? 10 pages of useless bickering...
Someone please post some slips of a STOCK RX8 on 94 and lower gas!

No kidding... thanks for bring this thread back to it's title.

Now let's see the slips! :D

I was going to try and run a better E.T. then my previous 14.5 today but it's cloudy and the only track that we have open over the winter months is closed do to our cold and cloudy day. I surely will be racing next weekend if the weather permits it. Car is still bone stock and broken in again. I m going to make a couple of runs and dial in my 60 foot times with 93 octane, after that I'm using my usual higher octane. I'll have a video of the runs to.

Originally posted by Judge Ito
I was going to try and run a better E.T. then my previous 14.5 today but it's cloudy and the only track that we have open over the winter months is closed do to our cold and cloudy day. I surely will be racing next weekend if the weather permits it. Car is still bone stock and broken in again. I m going to make a couple of runs and dial in my 60 foot times with 93 octane, after that I'm using my usual higher octane. I'll have a video of the runs to.

Cool. What happened to your engine before btw? Someone on this thread said it blew?

On this topic. The RX-8 has kind of shot itself in the foot, now that I know the real reason the RX-8 is putting up disappointing numbers.

There are couple problems with time slips. If you are serious about the 1/4 mile, you probably aren't going to get an RX-8. So most RX-8 owners never thought about taking it to the strip in the first place. At least in the US that is, that's why I posted my Jap drag racing thread that no one responded to.

So those of us that do care are sitting here going, "show us the slips!". The second reason is that it is the winter and most drag strips were closed before the cars completed the break in period.

The EVO and RX-8 are very different cars, I don't even understand why they are being compared. The EVO is rally car, the RX-8 is a GT. The RX-8, if in competition with anything, is the G35.

I haven't driven an EVO yet, but I have driven the 350Z, G35 and the RX-8 multiple times.

The performance of the RX-8 is a little disappointing, I'll agree. But there is a reason for that, and I believe (despite everyone else) Mazda will eventually fix it. If not, CanZoomer already has.

I think most RX-8 don't even understand what they are missing. There car is putting 190 to the pavement, and just with correct fueling I believe it will hit the 215 Mazda originally intended. It will go from 14.5-15.2, to 13.9-14.6 without any other mods. That will make performance comparable to the G35.

Since the RX-8 is all about breathing, a good intake and exhaust will bring that down even more. It should make it a solid 13 second car at least.

But if that isn't enough for you, the RX-8 is very FI able, and kits are in the works. Mazdaspeed may even offer an option that will not void the warranty.

Now as far as the performance of a boosted RX-8. Use your imagination.

Originally posted by jdwk

I think most RX-8 don't even understand what they are missing. There car is putting 190 to the pavement, and just with correct fueling I believe it will hit the 215 Mazda originally intended. It will go from 14.5-15.2, to 13.9-14.6 without any other mods. That will make performance comparable to the G35.

Since the RX-8 is all about breathing, a good intake and exhaust will bring that down even more. It should make it a solid 13 second car at least.

But if that isn't enough for you, the RX-8 is very FI able, and kits are in the works. Mazdaspeed may even offer an option that will not void the warranty.

Now as far as the performance of a boosted RX-8. Use your imagination.

I think you're over estimating each mod. With the reflash (25 hp increase) you'll probably knock off a few tenths but not half a second. With exhaust and air intake you'll again knock off another couple of tenths. I'd say with all three you'll probably shave off around 0.5-0.7 seconds. I doubt a solid 13 second car on 91-93 octane....on 100 octane probably.

As for FI...well FI does not like high compression....and turbos don't like lots of heat.

My best 1/4 mile time is 15.2. That with the tire preassure at 32 psi. However at the recent AutoX here in San Diego my 8 was very competative in the B stock class. Top time was by a s2000 at the low 59 second. 2nd, 3rd and 4th were really close. We were all in the 60 second range. My best time was 60.74, which put me in about 4th. However my best run was 60.180 but I hit to cone.
The 8 is slower in 1/4 mile than the 350z and s2000 but on the road track it second to none

I might be overestimating a little. We'll see in the spring I am sure.

My basis was that Road and Track hit a 14.5 at 96mph with the pre-prod. I am assuming this car had 247hp, or somewhat equivalent to CanZoomer's mod.

Comparing Road and Track's times to the best times I have seen from other stock cars, I figured someone would be able to do about a half second better as the car breaks in and what not.

Originally posted by IkeWRX
We saw your runs in his car.... not so good... Haha, just givin you a hard time :p

i think i did pretty good for two runs ever. i had to yell at the rednecks running the track to get a second run too :)

Originally posted by Genom
Hey Vosko, I asked you for some tips and you just ignored me. NJ is a bit of a drive for me man. I'm trying to fit in some time to play, but sadly, play is soemthing I dont have too much time for right now.

Lets see how the holiday shapes up. Lovely weather here so far :D

if i ignored you didn't mean to ? send me a pm or something

i don't check these forums much because i don't have an rx8 and listening to what the car can or cannot do is boring. i like driving alot more than bitching on the internet :)

Originally posted by vosko
i think i did pretty good for two runs ever. i had to yell at the rednecks running the track to get a second run too :)

Agreed, professional drivers can take a bone stock 1.8T gti into the 14's. Most first time drivers hit low 16's or high 15's at the 1/4 mile track.

Same idea in a new car, and a new driver at the track. I could have run my car at the track a few times, but I'm not into straight line performance much.

Originally posted by syntrix
Agreed, professional drivers can take a bone stock 1.8T gti into the 14's. Most first time drivers hit low 16's or high 15's at the 1/4 mile track.

Same idea in a new car, and a new driver at the track. I could have run my car at the track a few times, but I'm not into straight line performance much.

straightline performance is part of the whole package. i could make a yugo handle amazing but its still a yugo with 40hp :D

the RX8 has enough power to make it a fun car. i liken it to the miata where the power is just right, honestly the first time i drove a 93 RX7. i said HOLY CRAP........ this is fast......i need one of these now. when you drive the 8 its alot more calm and tame and less noisy and refined.

A have a Miata, and the power isn't just right. They are woefully underpowered. With nothing but sticky tires you get a car that can never rotate the rear end out under power except on wet roads. Sad..... very sad..... It is going to recieve heavy modification in the future.

And contrary to what ole Shel (Carrol Shebly) and some internet dude say, average power is what is seriously important. When you shift gears you operate over a certain rpm range. The average power over that range matters more than peak torque or peak horsepower. That said, torque and horsepower are two ways of stating the same thing. You actually don't measure horsepower, but you calculate it from torque. Hp is a direct measure of how fast you are making torque. HP = torque*RPM/5252 all day every day. That is for torque in ft-lbs, by the way. If you change units, the constant changes, and power is in HP of course.

I love Mazda's cars. They offer excellent styling, amazing handling, superior reliability, great engineering, easy to work on..... but there seems to be a common theme for me: and that is woefully underpowered. For a world class sports car (which it is supposed to be) with 4-doors, 238 hp won't do it. The TT RX-7 was underpowered too, but was very light and super easy to modify.

Let's just be honest and say that if your sports car can't get to the end of the 1/4 mile in 13.5 or less in this day and age, then it is inadequately powered. Sure that's just MO, but that's how I see it. Crap family sedans can run low 14s like the NIssan Altima with V6. There are econo cars gone rally racer doing mid 13s with ease. There are pick up trucks running 14.0 or high 13s, and then there are American cars running 12s without breaking a sweat (Cobra and Corvette). A plain ole garden variety Mustang GT can run a 14.0, so why would I want to buy a world class sports car that can't do it too?

Now some of you will instantly say, but those cars can't corner, blah, blah, blah. Any of you all actually track your cars? A car that can't flat out run the 1/4 mile, can't power itself out of corners worth a damn either. Maybe you carry more speed through the corner, but the junky non handling car is still passing you mid straight.

Anyone actually watch the RX-8 in the on track video by that Japanese auto mag? I downloaded the link here. The RX-8 got passed on the straights by everything except a Miata (another Mazda product) including an Integra Type-R. Passed by a 190 hp FWD econo car turned sporty car..... that isn't good.

Mazda speed has introduced the weakest powered turbocharged car sold in the US right now too. Mazda plans to release a 170 hp turbocharged Miata on the world too. Any aftermarket Miata turbo is easily capable of 200 hp or way more...

IMO, Mada's powertrain engineers need to figure out what power is and how to deliver it fast, or they should just forget about sports cars all together. Think I'm wrong? Go look at sales numbers. Power sells, and in a sports car it is up high on the list of the needs and wants of most consumers. Did you actually buy a sports car to go quickly or did you buy one to go fast?

I like all cars, so long as they are fast. The Miata is possibly the most neutered sports car on the planet, but it does everything else so well. And yes, I regularly see well over 0.5gs on a daily basis.

see here: 14.3 @ 95

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17031

You can add more power yourself. If Mazda does it, it costs a lot more, is not as much, insurance also goes up and less people get to enjoy the car.

I've never had a problem getting any of my Miatas to rotate on the track or the street. It teaches you to carry your speed and momentum through the turns instead of relying on power to get around and mask bad driving.

AnthonyS, thank you. Someone actually seems to know what they are talking about. Fortunately, there is a wonderful aftermarket for the Miatae that will deal with that problem.

Unfortunately, there is hardly any aftermarket at all for my MX-6. I want a back seat and a trunk, and I want Mazda handling, but I also want speed. I thought the RX-8 was that car, but it is much slower than I had hoped. I think the aftermarket will change that as it did for the FDs, but I am not willing to suffer through 130 ft lbs to the wheels and 16mpg until my warranty runs out.

I think I am going to have to give up that back seat idea and go with a Z06.

Didn't Chris from rx7.com also run a 14.3, then he put NOS on it and ran a 13.3?

I agree that you can add more power to most cars. The Miata is easy to add more power to. I plan to add an insane amount of power myself.

The RX-8 is just a tad disappointing to hardcore gearheads in the power department, that is really all. Some can't get over it. Like all Mazda's sports cars, they do everything else so darned well it is that much more frustrating. Find cars the same price as the RX-8 and Miata, and old FD that handle as well for the same price and offer the same type of appointments.... they don't exist at those prices. The RX-8 was supposed to be a 250+ hp 4 door sports car. It would've been incredible. Instead they brought everything to the US, but the power.

I too can make my Miata rotate too, it just takes a heck of a lot of effort. My last rotation came at 6500 rpm in 1st gear going around a 90 degree turn on a wet road. I can typically get rotation going around one of my favorite highway on ramps too from 40-50 mph in 2nd depending on road conditions. With the springs, shocks and big fat sticky tires I have it is hard to get the rear end loose under power. It rarely happens. In all my old domestic V8 cars, rotating the rear end was a simple push of the throttle in the turns. I'll be able to do that in the Miata soon someday too.

Mazda needs to add more power to their cars, plain and simple if they are going to draw in the typical US automotive enthusiast. It is probably the biggest reason you can still find Miatas and RX-8s on lots. If they both had 50-100 more hp, they'd be selling at over retail. Being able to be pressed back in your seat by brute force has always been a huge selling point in the US. While power may not be the end all of automotive performance on a race track, it sure doesn't hurt track times.

Heck even Mazda knows this. Back when Mazda was racing at LeMans with the 787s, they asked the powertrain engineers for 100 more hp from the 4 rotor. They got some of it, but not all. They main reason Mazda won is because their chassis engineers are so darned good. They actually added weight to the car, making it stiffer and lower lap times.

I for one am still disappointed with the 8s power. I've driven one, and it is still on the same lot here in my town. It's a beautiful car, and it has tons to offer in comfort, smoothness, fun, and looks. It'd be more fun with 50 more hp though. I don't think anyone can deny that.

I can't wait to see what the next RX-7 looks like. Until then, I'll stick to my insane Miata plans. Anyone need a custom turbo kit built around a 60 trim T3 for a Miata? I've decided it won't make enough power reliably to keep me happy.

OMG...I have to deal with V8 crap over at rx7club.com and deal with the "the rx8 is a pussy car with no power" crap here.

I have a 350 rwhp rx7 that traps over 113 and my Rx8 is just as fun to drive and still feels quick to me.