Finally got everything squared away and got the damn thing dynod. Feels like turboing this car was such a pain and took forever. Although I did a lot of things and some things were on back order and then bla bla bla. One thing about this kit, the wastegate gave some problems with its location. My routed it slightly to not effect the flow, but so that clearance is never an issue. Here's a pic of the re-route. Works great.

Now, I am quite pleased with my results. We were able to get 340 @ 15 psi and 255 torque! I can't scan my dyno sheet right now but i will tomorrow. It feels great and pulls HARD. The lag issue isnt that big of a deal. Like static said just downshift and there ya go. Spools right up. I am not keeping it at 15 psi tho because it does misfire on occasion so we ahve it set at 13 right now. The ignition upgrade would be the best. I would be getting that right away as well as meth inj. but I am still selling the car so.....yea. I am just glad to get the numbers I was looking for.

As far as any technical questions you want to ask me...lol I'm not very savvy on that but I'm sure someone will chim in and I wil do the best I can.

I'm so freakin jealous, are you going to get some kind of ignition upgrade?

I would and its a must for more power....but like I said pointless since Im selling the car.

Congrats bro, glad you got it working. The thing did look mean at the dyno meet. Hope to see it in action sometime this summer. As a side not do you know how much you were making at 9 psi. Their site claims 300+hp, just wondering if thats accurate.

the reroute of the wastegate looks pretty good

Congrats bro, glad you got it working. The thing did look mean at the dyno meet. Hope to see it in action sometime this summer. As a side not do you know how much you were making at 9 psi. Their site claims 300+hp, just wondering if thats accurate.

Yea...all engines are a little different, and mine made a little less at 9 psi. I got 275 whp. So, thats why some who get 15 psi might be a little more than 340 whp. BUT....this was all done on a MUSTANG dyno as well so numbers are generally kinda low.

340 is a nice number.

I would be afraid to run it with the vacuum tube exposed though. It would be too easy for something to catch on the vacuum tube and pull it out / tear it.

340 is a nice number.

I would be afraid to run that setup though. If anything catches on the vacuum tube, your engine will blow.


Yea....the whole wastegate position is something after it was all put on a real concern. The lines LOOK like they are hanging, but they are tight against wtvr it is they have it by I haven't really gotten a GOOD look under there.

But, there IS a possiblility still of maybe a stick or something that I might runover and gettin caught. But, it's not that much of a problem anymore.

you can kinda see the zip ties.. lol

zip ties are not something to be ashamed of! My entire car is held together by zip ties.

zip ties are not something to be ashamed of! My entire car is held together by zip ties.

lol...they are great

btw....there will be a vid on youtube of the car sometime soon....they have like 20 other cars that they dynoed that need to be put on youtube before mine.

If you are selling the car, I wouldn't bother with further upgrades. In fact, you are sure to get more by taking off all your mods, selling them separately, and selling the car stock.

Thats Awesome Louie! Congrats! I'm glad you finally got things running the way you expected. I was beginning to wonder about you because I had not seen a post from you in a while.

zip ties are not something to be ashamed of! My entire car is held together by zip ties.

mine too!

seems to be a common theme around here - turbo your RX8 then sell it . What is up with that ?

Can some body.. anybody take one of these dyno queen cars to a track please...

Nice numbers man! So when can I get a ride now :fingersx:

If you are selling the car, I wouldn't bother with further upgrades. In fact, you are sure to get more by taking off all your mods, selling them separately, and selling the car stock.

only way I would part the car is if someone was gonna buy the turbo kit....i dont have time to wait for that.....or else I would

Can some body.. anybody take one of these dyno queen cars to a track please...

Well...I ran against my buddies Trans Am...who has gears....ls6 intake ...full exhaust...I would think he is HIGH 12's.....maybe like a 12.6 area? I belive around 340 hp would break into the high 12's ....he BARELY beat me...highway I would kill it

only way I would part the car is if someone was gonna buy the turbo kit....i dont have time to wait for that.....or else I would

Then I don't think I'd bother with the ignition upgrade. I'm pretty sure you won't get your money back, and you'd just be putting yourself deeper in debt.

Never mind, I read your post wrong - I see you've already come to that conclusion.

I take it Dave at PAW did your final tune then? Good to know there is someone local who can tune an 8.

Yea he did the tuning. With some help from Jeff of course. This was the first RX8 theyve done. I think they did a great job!

Here is my dyno....its really hard to see most of it. But, the BLUE line is torque (255 ft./lbs.) and RED line is WHP.. 340 whp. Right side of the graph are my AFR's bottom is 12.3 and top is 14.0 He didnt use the WHOLE graph as he only took the peak hp portion. the RPM is the bottom of the graph going from 3005 to 7990. So, it looks like peak hp is at about 7990 rpm huh? Maybe some more tuning is need to get it all the way to 9K what do you guys think?

This is also a Mustang dyno...so the readings are a little low to my understanding. And the ambient temps were 90 and humid lol. Not exactly the greatest but still got numbers

you shouldn't get peak hp at redline. It drops in the 8k range.

So it looks like your torque peak was at ~6700rpm and the hp peak was ~7700rpm with the lines crossing at ~7000rpm.

I cant see shit.........can you scan with a better scanner?

The hp and tq curves have to be scaled against different Y axis values. The dyno print is tough to read. Either way, nice numbers.

lol damn i was wonder how people were reading it. had to tilt the screen back like a mofo.

you shouldn't get peak hp at redline. It drops in the 8k range.



ok....so everything seems alright then huh? Wish I was keeping this so I could get the ignition and meth injection. I think I could hit close to 400 after all that... :Eyecrazy:

Yea....the whole wastegate position is something after it was all put on a real concern. The lines LOOK like they are hanging, but they are tight against wtvr it is they have it by I haven't really gotten a GOOD look under there.

But, there IS a possiblility still of maybe a stick or something that I might runover and gettin caught. But, it's not that much of a problem anymore.

Id you are still worry about the line getting snag by something. You could run it up and over the tranny into the engine bay

why would you want to go to 400? The risk is not worth the payoff for that last 50 whp IMO.

The numbers are really faint at the bottom but it looks like the graph starts at 3005 rpm and ends at 7990. The HP is peaking and starting to go down so that could make sense.

"Guess i should hit refresh on the browser more often I didnt see someone allready posted the RPM range"

why would you want to go to 400? The risk is not worth the payoff for that last 50 whp IMO.

You don't think the renny can handle 400? Like you say 50 hp diff. really isnt much...am I at risk right now?? I know the tranny will have a hard time in the 400 range, which would need ot be upgraded as well. Isnt Jeff around 360 whp?

So it looks like your torque peak was at ~6700rpm and the hp peak was ~7700rpm with the lines crossing at ~7000rpm.

Is thatt good? lol I have no idea how to read these things besides what the tq and hp lines area lol.

I cant see shit.........can you scan with a better scanner?

sorry taj, this is the best I could get...i can barely read the paper with it in front ot me to begin with. Their ink was goin out....

going up 100 whp is easy, almost no risk. But as you inch closer to the edge, it becomes exponentially more difficult to make sure nothing breaks.

The renesis engine has a bad reputation for breaking, but having seen what it can do both inside and out, I would say it's a fairly hearty engine if properly maintained, and properly tuned. With that said, I still wouldn't want to try for 400 whp. I don't think it's possible on pump gas, as you'd need bandaid solutions to manage it. It wouldn't be a DD in that condition.

Shouldn't the torque and HP be equal at 5250rpm? Presumably these are on the same scale but you have AFR on the y axis not torque or HP so I can't tell. Can they email you the file so you can create a graph with hp and torque numbers on the y axis?

going up 100 whp is easy, almost no risk. But as you inch closer to the edge, it becomes exponentially more difficult to make sure nothing breaks.

The renesis engine has a bad reputation for breaking, but having seen what it can do both inside and out, I would say it's a fairly hearty engine if properly maintained, and properly tuned. With that said, I still wouldn't want to try for 400 whp. I don't think it's possible on pump gas, as you'd need bandaid solutions to manage it. It wouldn't be a DD in that condition.

Hmm....well I mean if this isn't a DD anyway I mean I put probably 5K miles on it a year. And, like you say it more or less comes down to the tuning. But I see what you are saying....the renny does have a bad rep and makes me skeptical of taking it up that high too....wish I had the money to really try and push it ya know?

even with money, what are you going to do to make it better? I already went over this when I had my chance to redo mine. You can't really do much porting. replacing the apex seals aren't going to help much either - anything that damages the stock ones is still going to be a bad situation for the new ones.

For me, what I did was replace all the parts dealing with compression, all new gaskets and seals, and called it a day.

You can pin the housings, that's about all I can think of if I was going to 400.

even with money, what are you going to do to make it better? I already went over this when I had my chance to redo mine. You can't really do much porting. replacing the apex seals aren't going to help much either - anything that damages the stock ones is still going to be a bad situation for the new ones.

For me, what I did was replace all the parts dealing with compression, all new gaskets and seals, and called it a day.

You can pin the housings, that's about all I can think of if I was going to 400.

Damn...so you think the max you can really safely take a renny is around 350 ish hp range?

however dude, nice numbers non theless

but the turbo kit looks like it's very peaky.......

Shouldn't the torque and HP be equal at 5250rpm? Presumably these are on the same scale but you have AFR on the y axis not torque or HP so I can't tell. Can they email you the file so you can create a graph with hp and torque numbers on the y axis?

Im going up to performance autowerks today and ill ask them, PM with what you want me to ask them and want me to do with the file so i can pull it up at their shop

however dude, nice numbers non theless

but the turbo kit looks like it's very peaky.......

peaky? not too sure what that means

Damn...so you think the max you can really safely take a renny is around 350 ish hp range?

depends on a bunch of factors.

- qualify of your gas

- flow rates of your turbo (pushing the greddy to 300 is more dangerous than a 3071R to 330 cause the greddy's AIT will be much higher)

- your ambient temps and humidity, elevation, etc.

I'd stick to 330-360 as my highest comfortable range. But who knows, maybe something like low compression rotors will come out and change everything.

If I were a betting man, I'd say I could do 14 psi on the 3071R and not have issues with just pump gas. I've only gone as high as 12 though. It's crazy. I haven't gotten a dyno with that number, but it feels a lot faster than my dyno run w/ 245 tq at 9 psi.

if you want just a bragging number, do like the supra guys do. wait till winter, get some dried ice, bunch of fans, race fuel, and keep going till you hit whatever imaginary number tickles your fancy. Just don't expect that to work on a hot summer day on the highway :)

depends on a bunch of factors.

- qualify of your gas

- flow rates of your turbo (pushing the greddy to 300 is more dangerous than a 3071R to 330 cause the greddy's AIT will be much higher)

- your ambient temps and humidity, elevation, etc.

I'd stick to 330-360 as my highest comfortable range. But who knows, maybe something like low compression rotors will come out and change everything.

If I were a betting man, I'd say I could do 14 psi on the 3071R and not have issues with just pump gas. I've only gone as high as 12 though. It's crazy. I haven't gotten a dyno with that number, but it feels a lot faster than my dyno run w/ 245 tq at 9 psi.

Yea, I always use 93 octane and I was gonan use the meth inj for safety issues for gas as well as teh hp gain benefits out of it. But, that is one thing that I was a little pissed about was the low tq reading. I know its a little higher bc its on a mustang but really I was expecting a little more....any ideas? Or is it just the turbo"?

it's dependent on your turbo choice. how quickly it spools and at what rpm range.

Louie - your car is mean and you have posted the highest HP Esmeril kit so just enjoy it!!!

even with money, what are you going to do to make it better? I already went over this when I had my chance to redo mine. You can't really do much porting. replacing the apex seals aren't going to help much either - anything that damages the stock ones is still going to be a bad situation for the new ones.

The problem with the Apex seals are they are too hard/brittle. A set of stronger but less brittle Apex seals would prove immensely beneficial for high HP applications.

The Renesis is capable of 500whp+...albeit it not on pump gas. It shouldn't be pushed much past 400whp on pump gas.

awesome numbers, how much did it cost you with labor if you don't mind me asking?

Personally, I wish I had access to information about people who blew their engine with just too much power. Overheating, leaning out, and poor quality fuel aside, I couldn't even guess what the Renesis is capable of. Personally, I think it'll out last the trans but it's just a guess. When I go for my first real tuning next week, I'm leaning heavily on just doing a solid 10 psi rather than aiming for a HP number and seeing where I'm at. Then I can push it later.

I'd like to see you run a 12.XX in the car as even as a poor drag platform, 12s is a quick car.

I had detonation at 12 psi and the seals took no damage. Might be luck of the draw, but I haven't seen any issue with the seals. Any force that damages the stock ones would damage the engine regardless of seal type.

I couldn't even guess what the Renesis is capable of.

Much more than most on this board has seen.

Can some body.. anybody take one of these dyno queen cars to a track please...

VIDEO (http://www.mazdamaniac.com/wot.htm):banghead: 30 - 147 MPH in ~13 seconds.

Yea he did the tuning. With some help from Jeff of course. This was the first RX8 theyve done. I think they did a great job!

Glad it worked out.

I cleaned up your plot, but it is still basically useless - the axis are not calibrated to any useful number and the two plotted lines aren't even sharing that axis correctly.
Please ask Dave for another copy With torque and horsepower on the vertical axis.

I'd like to be able to finally add an Esmiril graph to the comparison page, but I can't do it with this.

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=123672&stc=1&d=1216243772

I had detonation at 12 psi and the seals took no damage. Might be luck of the draw, but I haven't seen any issue with the seals. Any force that damages the stock ones would damage the engine regardless of seal type.

That is true but detonation at 12psi isnt as bad as detonation at 16psi or 25 for that matter. Because of the compression ratio it can crack an apex seal because they cant take an impact. This is the same thing that happens to the RX-7 and the reason people get into apex seals. You need a stronger base metal so that it wont have to be heat treated to the point where it is too brittle to have the necessary strength and can take an impact or heat. A warped apex seal(the generally will sag in the middle when they don't break) due to detonation or running lean will make the engine loose power without destroying your housing, plate or rotor. Not to mention that it will take a whole lot more detonation to permanently bend the apex because it will be a little more forgiving.

Chris

awesome numbers, how much did it cost you with labor if you don't mind me asking?

with install of just the turbo kit and tuning....around 1500 dollars...very respectable

I'd like to see you run a 12.XX in the car as even as a poor drag platform, 12s is a quick car.

Are you saying you don't think 340 whp in this car will yield a high 12 1/4? IDK but on the street with no VHT...i was right with my buddy....who has taken his to the 1/4 and ran high 12's

I mightve read it wrong tho...I wannna take it to the track, and will sometime soon

VIDEO (http://www.mazdamaniac.com/wot.htm):banghead: 30 - 147 MPH in ~13 seconds.



Glad it worked out.

I cleaned up your plot, but it is still basically useless - the axis are not calibrated to any useful number and the two plotted lines aren't even sharing that axis correctly.
Please ask Dave for another copy With torque and horsepower on the vertical axis.

I'd like to be able to finally add an Esmiril graph to the comparison page, but I can't do it with this.

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=123672&stc=1&d=1216243772


Alright, I will talk to him, I forgot to today.

Are you saying you don't think 340 whp in this car will yield a high 12 1/4? IDK but on the street with no VHT...i was right with my buddy....who has taken his to the 1/4 and ran high 12's

I mightve read it wrong tho...I wannna take it to the track, and will sometime soon
It might, but suspension/tires has a lot to do with your numbers. Also we don't have a solid rear axle in our car so you're going to get wheel hop and not a very good launch. Not that it's impossible, but it takes practice.

--Jonathan

Wheel hop is eliminated with struts/coilover and a stiffer rear sway bar. Both of Which Louie's car has.

Then your gonna roast the tires for sure then. Didn't read his long paragraph-like sig of mods so I didn't know he had coilovers and rear sway bar. :)

Take vids if you do run this at the drag strip.

--Jonathan

Ill def take a vid of it when i go....gotta wait for this session of summer classes to end though because they are on the same nights as test and tune by me...at route 66 raceway

What night is the Rt 66 test and tune?

Oh yeah, I have a question about your injectors. You are running the 380/380/1000 injector setup, right? If so, are your 1000cc injectors high or low impedence? If you don't know the Esmeril guys might.

I am trying to figure out if the interceptor can handle high and low impedence injectors "ganged" together on the same driver and I can't seem to get a response from Scott.

Oh yeah, I have a question about your injectors. You are running the 380/380/1000 injector setup, right? If so, are your 1000cc injectors high or low impedence? If you don't know the Esmeril guys might.

I am trying to figure out if the interceptor can handle high and low impedence injectors "ganged" together on the same driver and I can't seem to get a response from Scott.

Test and tune is on Tuesdays.....

Yes, I am running with the bigger injector setup, but I don't know about the impedence. Maybe call Dave at Werks cuz this setup pretty well, if not then just try chris

I was talking to Jim at JPR and we guestimated my 8 at 350 whp (this was prior to install - where I'm at on my first tune will likely be lower) could crack 12s if I was a good driver. But, then again, it's just a guess really.

The hp and tq curves have to be scaled against different Y axis values. The dyno print is tough to read. Either way, nice numbers.

Yeah, they will always be equal at 5252 by definition. The chart I got for my dyno from PAW has the same goofy format. Louis - let me know if they are able to reformat it for you. I'd like to get a copy of mine in the proper format.

I wonder if we can even run 15 PSI on Cali Gas

I can run 15 PSI on Arizona gas which is the same thing.
However, it depends on charge temperatures and density, not pressure.

In the Summer, you won't be able to do it without detonation control.

amen............>.<

HAHAHAHAHA....well...welcome me to the BEND OVER TAKE IT IN THE ASS YOUR F'ED YOUR ENGINE IS DONE CLUB!!!!!!!! WOW!!!! Life couldn't possibly get any better. Its driveable...just VERY low compression ...like around 75 I think is what they told me

Its gettin back to stock as we speak and then Ill see if I can get the dealership to give me a new one.

Queen wrote a song about this ....

They have any thoughts on the cause?

Get the new engine, sell all your aftermarket parts, sell the car if you aren't upside down on the loan, and work on getting yourself out of debt. This car is just putting you deeper in the hole every day.

Sadness.
I don't know what feeling is worse - waiting for the other shoe to drop or hearing it hit the floor.

The cause.....2004 rx8.....shitty......

Yea.....its getting stripped this weekend hopefully i get the new engine

The cause.....2004 rx8.....shitty......

Uh, no.

I know lol....im just saying...so many engines have blown for 2004 ....

VIDEO (http://www.mazdamaniac.com/wot.htm):banghead: 30 - 147 MPH in ~13 seconds.


I can't believe you even posted that in response to my statement. :icon_no2:

There are no light trees, and no staging lines. No accurate form of measurement of speed, nor anything that can be taken as concrete evidence in the form of some sort of "base-line."

I'm not saying these kits don't perform, I'm just saying there is little proof that they do. what you showed me is hardly the kind of proof anyone serious about dropping coin on a kit with intentions of using it sole for performance basis.

Most people with RX8s who have turbo kits just have them because they'd feel embarrassed to buy the exhaust BOV simulators from ebay. That and they might need a little more help accelerating past Accords merging onto the freeway.

I can't believe you even posted that in response to my statement. :icon_no2:

There are no light trees, and no staging lines. No accurate form of measurement of speed, nor anything that can be taken as concrete evidence in the form of some sort of "base-line."

I'm not saying these kits don't perform, I'm just saying there is little proof that they do. what you showed me is hardly the kind of proof anyone serious about dropping coin on a kit with intentions of using it sole for performance basis.

Most people with RX8s who have turbo kits just have them because they'd feel embarrassed to buy the exhaust BOV simulators from ebay. That and they might need a little more help accelerating past Accords merging onto the freeway.


there are VERY FEW folks that have this turbo right now. and i doubt you'll see MM rushing to the strip to see what he can lay down just to sell this stuff. its a liability to sell it for what it CAN DO. its beng sold under the pretences of it WILL DO XXXXX, anything more than that, your on your own.....

i also think that most of the targeted market is smart enough to figure out on their own what COULD be done with the turbo in terms of power/times/etc

lol

if anything Jeff undersells his stuff. I think his sales pitch is something like "yo. This might make 20 hp more than the greddy turbo."

WTF LOUIE.

Sorry to hear it bro... Sounds like this is going to force you to part out your car and if you get the new engine under warranty it may work out all the better for you in the long run.

WTF LOUIE.

Sorry to hear it bro... Sounds like this is going to force you to part out your car and if you get the new engine under warranty it may work out all the better for you in the long run.

Thanks for the concern bro...yea im hoping this works out for the best...i pray it is lol...

Man Louie that really sucks! I was hoping to make it up your way in the next month or so, hang out, and take our cars for a little spin. Let me know if you need any help with anything!

lol

if anything Jeff undersells his stuff. I think his sales pitch is something like "yo. This might make 20 hp more than the greddy turbo."

exactly

Not to rub salt in Louie's wounds, but I think 4 days is a new record.

Not to rub salt in Louie's wounds, but I think 4 days is a new record.

Hold the phone we still have Taj to come ......

shhhh wtf..................

no, mine didn't make it,,,,,,,unfortunately I blew the engine while not completely installing my turbo

it was fun though

/sarcasm

Sorry to hear it man.

TO ALL: This is a fairly good example of how far this engine can go as-is. I'm no expert but I would recommend against pushing it farther than this.

oh god thats bad -_-

TO ALL: This is a fairly good example of how far this engine can go as-is. I'm no expert but I would recommend against pushing it farther than this.

Hardly. The motor didn't break from load.
It popped from a hole in its tuning somewhere.

there are VERY FEW folks that have this turbo right now. and i doubt you'll see MM rushing to the strip to see what he can lay down just to sell this stuff. its a liability to sell it for what it CAN DO. its beng sold under the pretences of it WILL DO XXXXX, anything more than that, your on your own.....

i also think that most of the targeted market is smart enough to figure out on their own what COULD be done with the turbo in terms of power/times/etc

You have obviously never produced a kit, a service or a product for a serious car community...

It is standard practice to show proof of what your product is capable of in the rear world. No one cares about dynos, they are only good for tuning and there are too many variables to use them as the end all tale.

You take aproduct, you slap it on a car, you see improvements in acceleration, speed, longevity, power band, etc.

Best place is a drag strip, if you do drive train and suspension mods, best place is a track. (of course mixing them both is nice)

This is just how it has been for.. I don't know, EVER?:squint:

Why is this turning into an arguement? This is not the thread to do this.

--Jonathan

You have obviously never produced a kit, a service or a product for a serious car community...

It is standard practice to show proof of what your product is capable of in the rear world. No one cares about dynos, they are only good for tuning and there are too many variables to use them as the end all tale.

You take aproduct, you slap it on a car, you see improvements in acceleration, speed, longevity, power band, etc.

Best place is a drag strip, if you do drive train and suspension mods, best place is a track. (of course mixing them both is nice)



Well, you are welcome to purchase products based on this method of evaluation.
And, should you ever find yourself producing a system yourself (or, at minimum, understanding the dynamics of marketing), you can make whatever mistakes you like.

understanding the dynamics of marketing

TREX - thats the key.... this isnt marketed as a 350+whp job, if you can make it do that, good on ya.

just like the Greddy kit isnt marketed as a 9psi 270+ whp kit, but many ppl could do it.......

^ it's marketted for better gas milage :)

increased throttle response.

Dude , bro.. i feel real sorry for you. Did you have to pay someone to take off the turbos and revert back to stock? Or what? Hope things work out , so what is the safe zone for most turbo kits? Seems like anything passed 300whp is pushing it :icon_no2:

MM enjoyed the vid--the best part to me was how long you could wait to hit the brakes in comparison to the car behind you!
OD

t rex is such a crying flamming baby troll lol. btw MM. That is 3 girls 2 cup in the picture -.-

MM enjoyed the vid--the best part to me was how long you could wait to hit the brakes in comparison to the car behind you!
OD

Yeah, that was pretty consistent.
As much power as the car has, the brakes are still what makes it fast.


btw MM. That is 3 girls 2 cup in the picture -.-

Damnit! Fixed! lol

Sorry to tell you...

But I highly doubt you will get a new engine under warrenty.

You never know.
It depends on the flexibility of the dealer and how well he goes back to stock.
Mazda is actually being pretty liberal at the moment with customers who are still in warranty.

Hahahahahahaha. I thought you had no money.

Sorry to read about your misfortune. I hope you find a nice park bench to sleep on one day.

Mazda is actually being pretty liberal at the moment with customers who are still in warranty.

Wouldn't THAT be nice...

they are actually, since the new FE4P? came out, or whatever they decided to call the new rx8......... they decided they should be nice to the old rotary owners :)

Man Louie that really sucks! I was hoping to make it up your way in the next month or so, hang out, and take our cars for a little spin. Let me know if you need any help with anything!

lol...that woulda been sweet....but im still up for the ride in your car lol.

Hahahahahahaha. I thought you had no money.

Sorry to read about your misfortune. I hope you find a nice park bench to sleep on one day.


In chicago by any chance???? :eyetwitch :rl:

lol...that woulda been sweet....but im still up for the ride in your car lol.

I'll be up that way for the Chicago BBQ. Are you planning on going to that?

I'll be up that way for the Chicago BBQ. Are you planning on going to that?

ummm probably......gotta look more into it...i

i think the engine should have to last a weak before sig bragging rights can be obtained :eyetwitch

i think the engine should have to last a weak before sig bragging rights can be obtained :eyetwitch

Perhaps.

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That was probably a bit over the top.

I feel your pain, Louie. However, it probably would be best for you to edit that SIG a bit if you really want that kit to sell.

Perhaps.



That was probably a bit over the top.

I feel your pain, Louie. However, it probably would be best for you to edit that SIG a bit if you really want that kit to sell.


Maybe....but still it's started to get real annoying when I am going through what I am going through and then hearing shit. I have enough stress. Anywho the kit has sold and the accessories needed for the kit. Which is a little less stressful but if I don't get the new engine, its gonna go towards the rebuild and not my credit cards :(

Maybe....but still it's started to get real annoying when I am going through what I am going through and then hearing shit. I have enough stress. Anywho the kit has sold and the accessories needed for the kit. Which is a little less stressful but if I don't get the new engine, its gonna go towards the rebuild and not my credit cards :(

Hell, if my engine blew up after looking so promising I'd be pissed at them too...

I've been pissed from MUCH less than a blown engine.

Ignore em. They're just jealous of what you accomplished.

Just keep your ear to the ground. Good stuff comes along. You just need to be diligent, detached and aware.

Yea....I try....life will work out great if I get this engine warrantied or wtvr they call it. Otherwise ill be around another 4K in debt on top of everything else :(

If you have to pay out of pocket, you might be able to find a low mileage engine like this one...mrmazda7 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330254758319&rd=1)

I might have to grab that one myself!

don't tell me you blew your new engine already MM ?

that sure is a tasty deal

don't tell me you blew your new engine already MM ?

No. That won't happen again until I decide to see what it takes to get over 400 HP on pump gas.
I didn't blow the last one, either. I just took it out because I could! (I was also looking to clean up the engine bay a bit.)
At some point, I'll probably take this one out for analysis and put the other one back in.

Its just that this e-bay motor that GTAW posted is almost as good as a deal as the one I just put in!

No. That won't happen again until I decide to see what it takes to get over 400 HP on pump gas.
!

I'll put in $5 towards that experiment :lol:

Well, that is why I have a spare motor!
However, I think I can say with a fair amount of confidence that the AccessPORT has put an end to those kinds of worries.

I have 5$ on MM blowing another motor this year

:)

Maybe yours. Not mine.

10 to 1 odds that taj blows his shit up waaaayyyyyy before MM (accidentally. self impost ownage @ 17 psi does not count)

17 PSI is a possibility.
I have enough fuel at the moment and the water/meth should do the trick.
I'm not so sure I want to try it in the Summer time, though.

Lol yay MM finally getting a little more revealing on the avatars. Now where is my decensor tool :) rofl.

That's an old one.

^^^Oh , well....excuse me. Btw why did this end up blowing up? Was it the tune? I've got bad memory sorry :(

I think it was the tune

MM, Jedi, you won, I blew my engine, the turbine fin went off...............

i know your joking taj, but im seriously inclined to believe you.

^^^Oh , well....excuse me. Btw why did this end up blowing up? Was it the tune? I've got bad memory sorry :(

I don't know.
I never did get any info on the final tune that the shop that Louie used arrived at.
I do know that, with a vent-to-atmo wastegate, street-tuning is almost impossible because of the noise.
You would NEVER hear detonation or even lean mis-fire when the car is making power.
Really, I don't understand why people do vent-to-atmo wastegates on a street car.
Its stupid, annoying, unnecessary and makes the car impossible to tune.

I don't know.
I never did get any info on the final tune that the shop that Louie used arrived at.
I do know that, with a vent-to-atmo wastegate, street-tuning is almost impossible because of the noise.
You would NEVER hear detonation or even lean mis-fire when the car is making power.
Really, I don't understand why people do vent-to-atmo wastegates on a street car.
Its stupid, annoying, unnecessary and makes the car impossible to tune.

Cause who wants to hear sounds of detonation when you can hear the awesomeness that is your wastegate? It adds like 20 WHP!!:lol:

Cause who wants to hear sounds of detonation when you can hear the awesomeness that is your wastegate? It adds like 20 WHP!!:lol:

I dont care, I love my cars loud....I think a VTA wastegate sounds mean as hell. It's not a DD so what does it matter? Plus the MAIN reason I did it was because I was TOLD that it does free up some more ponies....

It's not a DD so what does it matter?

Because you can't hear the motor breaking over the sound of the WG.

Plus the MAIN reason I did it was because I was TOLD that it does free up some more ponies....

And, because of the above, it freed them right up and sent them out of the motor completely.
Whoever told you a vented WG creates power lied to you.
Its just a strategy to help maintain uniform boost control at very high boost levels - a place where your motor wasn't going to ever go.

Whoever told you a vented WG creates power lied to you.
Its just a strategy to help maintain uniform boost control at very high boost levels - a place where your motor wasn't going to ever go.

Please take a nice walk to the RX7club where multiple dyno comparisons will give you a change of mind :)

If you running under 15psi...
And are using the stock exhaust it will give you a huge power boost easily 30hp. Using a 3" exhaust will yield a significant performance increase around 15-20hp or more. Meanwhile a 4" full exhaust, it won't make a difference.

Above 15psi it will make a HUGE difference for Rotaries and a significant difference for piston engines (this is a very very general statement I know but people seriously underestimate the flow of a Rotary around here).

Also to say you can't hear it misfire? You must have not tried dumping it to atmosphere on a rotary because you can definitely hear it.

14.5 psi on a 3rd gen RX-7:

http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=657974
also another discussion about this in favor of: http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=315949&highlight=wastegate+atmosphere+dyno
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t14/smg944/dynosheet3.jpg

PLEASE NOTE: Mazdaparts.com and Esmeril Racing offer the dump to atmosphere design for tracked cars only (free of charge)...it is not our responsibility if you do not follow through with these guidelines.

You can't hear it detonate. I didn't say anything about misfire.

The rest of your post is, frankly, bullshit.
The size of the piping is not the issue.
Opening the wastegate to atmo does NOT make power.
If your piping is too small to handle the flow, that is an entirely different issue and using an open WG to fix that is stupid.

You can't hear it detonate. I didn't say anything about misfire.

The rest of your post is, frankly, bullshit.
The size of the piping is not the issue.
Opening the wastegate to atmo does NOT make power.
If your piping is too small to handle the flow, that is an entirely different issue and using an open WG to fix that is stupid.

:nopity:

Word of warning to everyone on this forum...
Just because MM says something doesn't mean it is true

That being said did you not see the dyno I just posted?

Also why do most professional track cars dump to atmosphere even when running a 4" exhaust?

And I honestly imagine you look like that little devil :)

Oh and you sure can hear it detonate.

Word of warning to everyone on this forum...
Just because MM says something doesn't mean it is true

Word of warning to everyone on this forum...
Just because truemagellen says something doesn't mean it is true

That being said did you not see the dyno I just posted?

Yes. So what does going from 3" exhaust piping to 4" have to do with the wastegate?

Also why do most professional track cars dump to atmosphere even when running a 4" exhaust?

Because they need the WG response to avoid spikes. Racecars are not street cars. Nice edit on your post, BTW.

Oh and you sure can hear it detonate.

Well, obviously not or Louie might still be driving his car today.

Have you actually driven in a car with this kit on it?

:lol:


Red: Dump to Atmosphere
Blue: Recirculate
14.5psi runs

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t14/smg944/dynosheet3.jpg

this isnt my argument, but someone explain to me how dumping a WG to atmosphere can produce anything more than minimal power gains?

the only way i see that working is if the exhaust was too restrictive to handle all the flow, then when you open the WG to atm, of course it'll show gains then...

EDIT: i dont have a clue as i've never even looked at external WG's but that^^ is what seems to make common sense to me.. either way i'd like to hear a good believable explanation for it...

On what size pipe, turbo and WG?

You are comparing apples to oranges.

Louie's setup is not even a fair comparison to that dyno, which sits not only well within the range that other variables are influential but has other obvious changes in the running state of the motor.

3" is still restrictive when the wastegate opens

besides 15 hp is not a minimal gain, for a simple design change

I don't understand the resistance...it is cheap or free power

Atmosphere is a much better deal then a whole new exhaust system, 3 inch or 4"

3" is still restrictive when the wastegate opens

besides 15 hp is not a minimal gain, for a simple design change

I don't understand the resistance...it is cheap or free power

Atmosphere is a much better deal then a whole new exhaust system, 3 inch or 4"

on a 340whp car, 15hp is 4.4% ....... personally i wouldnt put up with the noise for that. free power or not. if i had a track car sure... not a street car.

also free or not, i would call 4.4% minimal...

on a 340whp car, 15hp is 4.4% ....... personally i wouldnt put up with the noise for that. free power or not. if i had a track car sure... not a street car.

also free or not, i would call 4.4% minimal...

Ok fair enough then it is a matter of opinion over the sound. I do agree it is very loud and I see why people would not want it.

on a 340whp car, 15hp is 4.4% ....... personally i wouldnt put up with the noise for that. free power or not. if i had a track car sure... not a street car.

also free or not, i would call 4.4% minimal...

I would have to agree. There are lots of modifications that are done to race cars that certainly improve performance a marginal amount that would be stupid to make on a street car.

Granted I am noob to RX8Club.com, but I am wondering why I should not believe what MM says? Proof of the matter is every month, if not more often, people are having dyno meets and flying him in to do the tunes and tweaks.

Granted I am noob to RX8Club.com, but I am wondering why I should not believe what MM says? Proof of the matter is every month, if not more often, people are having dyno meets and flying him in to do the tunes and tweaks.

MM is great and incredibly knowledgeable, but you shouldn't treat anything anybody says as gospel. That being said, I'd take MM's opinion over almost anybody else's on this forum, especially when it comes to FI and tuning the 8.

Yeah , MM seems to hit the mark 95% of the time - but no one is right 100% of the time .

I agree because 5 out of 4 people suck at fractions.:dunce:

Granted I am noob to RX8Club.com, but I am wondering why I should not believe what MM says? Proof of the matter is every month, if not more often, people are having dyno meets and flying him in to do the tunes and tweaks.


With all the knowledge that he has, He is still human. Thats not to say that he is wrong on this subject cause I have no clue, but it's possible for a person to be wrong.


But wait he's not human, He's a maniac!

PLEASE NOTE: Mazdaparts.com and Esmeril Racing offer the dump to atmosphere design for tracked cars only (free of charge)...it is not our responsibility if you do not follow through with these guidelines.

I lol'ed at this ex-post-facto edit, but it does address some of the legitimate questions (albeit with an illegitimate answer since this kit is being marketed as a street kit, regarless of how it is actually being sold)


But wait he's not human, He's a maniac!

• Some say he never blinks, and that he roams around the woods at night foraging for wolves...
• Some say he’s wanted by the CIA, and that he sleeps upside down like a bat...
• Some say he appears on high value stamps in Sweden, and that he can catch fish with his tongue...
• Some say he is illegal in 17 US states, and he blinks horizontally...
• Some say that his breath smells of magnesium, and that he’s scared of bells...
• Some say he naturally faces magnetic north, and that all his legs are hydraulic...

Yeah , MM seems to hit the mark 95% of the time - but no one is right 100% of the time .

Though I agree with this in principle, I'd love to see some concrete examples of the other 5%. lol

Something I learned very early in life:

Ask never a question for which you haven't already the answer.

If you truly are in need of an answer, search, don't ask.
You will never truly have your questions answered by an answer. Only a search can fulfill that need.

MM is The Stig! I knew it

MM is The Stig! I knew it

If only...
That distinction goes to Damon Hill.

I

Though I agree with this in principle, I'd love to see some concrete examples of the other 5%. lol
.
Is that a challenge ? :)



Something I learned very early in life:

Ask never a question for which you haven't already the answer.

If you truly are in need of an answer, search, don't ask.
You will never truly have your questions answered by an answer. Only a search can fulfill that need.

So you don't ask questions if you don't know the answer - but are quite happy to search for others who asked the question and got an answer ?hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Is that a challenge ? :)

Always. I know the 5% is out there. Go find it.

So you don't ask questions if you don't know the answer - but are quite happy to search for others who asked the question and got an answer

Not exactly, but that's a start.

Something I learned very early in life:

Ask never a question for which you haven't already the answer.

If you truly are in need of an answer, search, don't ask.
You will never truly have your questions answered by an answer. Only a search can fulfill that need.

that just blew my mind
i need some :beer05:

Listen MM you definitely have outstanding knowledge when it comes to tuning, the AP (of course), and many other subjects. Just lots of people do take you as the gospel on the RX-8 club when it comes to Rotaries and in reality you are still very much an amateur relation to others in the world of Rotaries.

Your confidence on the other hand is very developed and you are highly assertive so people fall in line...meanwhile you have never taken a Rotary over 800hp (and NEITHER have I) but there are many who have and they would disagree with you on many points.

I just wish you would be more humble about your knowledge, we know you have lots of it...but for those who are deep in this world (and I would consider you in deep) many do not respect you like you deserve to be respected since you usually pretend to know everything and criticize different information instead of researching it. Meanwhile if you did seek out those who know infinitely more then you and learned a bit more instead of telling (as you are obviously a great teacher, seriously that is your forte) you would gain that respect.

On a side note the AP and other products like it are the key to unlocking this engine and simplify tuning for a whole new generation of RX-8 owners...do I or other Rotary enthusiasts have the knowledge that you do on this subject? ABSOLUTELY NOT...that is where we are humble...we are looking towards you and that project with bright eyes wondering what you can accomplish...I wish you would look with bright eyes onto others in the community.

This was written with sincerity and respect.

Always. I know the 5% is out there.

.

that's good enough for me - if you had tried to claim you were right 100% of the time I could have had some fun .... :)

edit: on second thoughts - perhaps not so much fun .
You seem to have an uncanny ability to make it look like you are right (to most onlookers) even if you aren't , so arguing with you can be pretty futile ......

meanwhile you have never taken a Rotary over 800hp (and NEITHER have I) but there are many who have and they would disagree with you on many points.

Actually...

I just wish you would be more humble about your knowledge,


Why? How would that benefit me?

since you usually pretend to know everything and criticize different information instead of researching it.

Oh, really?


You seem to have an uncanny ability to make it look like you are right (to most onlookers) even if you aren't , so arguing with you can be pretty futile ......

Be careful with that.
"Look like I'm right"? How do you do that? By presenting facts and sound logical syllogism?
Assertion, no matter the quality, is only that. I don't assert anything.

Be careful with that.
"Look like I'm right"? How do you do that? By presenting facts and sound logical syllogism?
.

Agree - most of the time you do that .

Syllogism ...... kind of looks like 'silly orgasm' if you squint when you look at it :lol:

Agree - most of the time you do that .

The rest of the time I assert things for which I have already made the logical argument elsewhere.

but sometimes your "facts" are not necessarily syllogistically irrefutable .
heh - i just looked that word up - hope I used it right .

but sometimes your "facts" are not necessarily syllogistically irrefutable .


rather than bicker on the definition of "sometimes", point out something specifically and show irrefutable proof of his error.

well - there was the time MM argued that the reason my speedo read 160km/hr (100mph) in 3rd gear was because i had smaller tyres on than stock .
Was later proved beyond any doubt that JDM 8's have a different 3rd gear ratio than US 8's.

well - there was the time MM argued that the reason my speedo read 160km/hr (100mph) in 3rd gear was because i had smaller tyres on than stock .
Was later proved beyond any doubt that JDM 8's have a different 3rd gear ratio than US 8's.

:lol: thats all haha

Lol back to the vent to atmosphere , i really like the sound of vented wastegates. Yeah it's loud but i think it sounds bad ass. I'd have it on my car just for the sound , call me rice i dont care lol. I like being obnoxious 3 inch single straight exhaust no cats or resonater ftw. This is how i get back at cops , drive by their houses when they go to sleep muhahaha :)

Lol back to the vent to atmosphere , i really like the sound of vented wastegates. Yeah it's loud but i think it sounds bad ass. I'd have it on my car just for the sound , call me rice i dont care lol. I like being obnoxious 3 inch single straight exhaust no cats or resonater ftw.

Alright its time to release the Esmeril Racing 4 inch exhaust system :lol:


Made me think of this:

"Fark Everything, We're Doing Five Blades" - Gillette CEO

(Onion satire)

NSFW language:
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/33930

4 inch exhaust is retarded

it's like having jessica alba and suddenly you want Keira Knightley

well - there was the time MM argued that the reason my speedo read 160km/hr (100mph) in 3rd gear was because i had smaller tyres on than stock .
Was later proved beyond any doubt that JDM 8's have a different 3rd gear ratio than US 8's.

First, I'd love to see that thread.
Second, the JDM spec does NOT have different ratios.
Unless you have the 5-speed, there are no differences in gear ratios in any market for the Y6M. They are all 1.645 in 3rd gear.
How, ignoring the facts for a moment, was it "proved beyond any doubt"?
What "scientific" method was employed? Took the tranny apart?

but sometimes your "facts" are not necessarily syllogistically irrefutable.

ALL arguments can be broken down to syllogism.
If you can't refute something by syllogism, then it is correct.
The problem is, people want to base arguments on bad premises.
Global warming.
Religion.
Speedometers.

4 inch exhaust is retarded

it's like having jessica alba and suddenly you want Keira Knightley

Several of the Rolex teams use a 4" exhaust.
These are N/A cars, too.

First, I'd love to see that thread.
Second, the JDM spec does NOT have different ratios.
Unless you have the 5-speed, there are no differences in gear ratios in any market for the Y6M. They are all 1.645 in 3rd gear.
How, ignoring the facts for a moment, was it "proved beyond any doubt"?
What "scientific" method was employed? Took the tranny apart?

.
hope you are prepared for some pwnage - heh

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=103670

Thread answered.

Just as I thought, the Japanese spec RX-8 S-Type, the high-powered 6MT version has 1.530 as 3rd gear ratio as opposed to US spec 1.645 to match the higher output of the Japanese version.

Image attached.

Thanks for sharing your observation Brettus!

I say NOOO to 4 inch exhaust, mostly cus they will have an issue fitting with our car

MM is never right, that's why my car is running perfectly and doesn't have a dead motor and my Nitrous runs 100 shot no problem and my EMU ran fine with no tune

etc etc etc

hope you are prepared for some pwnage - heh

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=103670

Uh, you drive an '07?

You still fail to understand the logic in that thread and now you are claiming an '07 tranny suddenly jumped into your '04 to explain this lack of understanding?

I just re-read that whole thread. You do have a serious breakdown in logical thinking there. Its maddening. Never mind the fact that your transmission suddenly got younger.
As an aside - have you ever read a synopsis of the general theory of relativity?
If so, what is your impression of it?

can we keep the bickering to PM's and the technical good for everyone mechanical talk here...i am up trying to do some turbo research and i all i see is pages of this stuff....

all u guys deserve crossfire rentals right now...jeesh

.i am up trying to do some turbo research and i all i see is pages of this stuff....

Well, if you got this far, then you missed the relevant part for your research.
Maybe, read this post:
http://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php?p=2557902&postcount=72

*sigh*

I don't know.
I never did get any info on the final tune that the shop that Louie used arrived at.
I do know that, with a vent-to-atmo wastegate, street-tuning is almost impossible because of the noise.
You would NEVER hear detonation or even lean mis-fire when the car is making power.
Really, I don't understand why people do vent-to-atmo wastegates on a street car.
Its stupid, annoying, unnecessary and makes the car impossible to tune.

:ftw:

:pat:

This is unreal...

Just wondering... Other than your 300whp RX8 what other vehicles have you built. Specifically big turbo builds?

Just wondering... Other than your 300whp RX8 what other vehicles have you built. Specifically big turbo builds?

Why? What are you going to take issue with?
Just skip the pleasantries and get to it. I haven't the patience to deal with another angry newbs "warm-up" act.

I just re-read that whole thread. You do have a serious breakdown in logical thinking there. Its maddening. Never mind the fact that your transmission suddenly got younger.
?

Edit : decided to take the discussion to the thread it started from - so deleted my response here and reposted over in the other thread.

Why? What are you going to take issue with?
Just skip the pleasantries and get to it. I haven't the patience to deal with another angry newbs "warm-up" act.

I simply was wondering what other vehicles you have built. Simple question.

You calling me a "newb" is quite ignorant of you, but I'm not one to be offended by cheap shots, especially those coming from people of your nature. (Ignore my join date as much as you want, but don't be foolish and assume things... there's more to ones automotive knowledge and skill than a post count)

Just wondering about your automotive back round. Its not a loaded question at all and there's no need to get defensive, its something I'm sure man would like to know.

MM? he's never built any vehicle, he just modifies them

the day he makes one is the day I will, eat breakfust

what size are your tires bret?

225/30?

Kersh4w
I'll stop the threadjack and take the discussion over to the original thread .

MM - see you on the other side ........

Here it is again

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=103670

You calling me a "newb" is quite ignorant of you, but I'm not one to be offended by cheap shots, especially those coming from people of your nature.

Nope. You have 20 posts. That makes you a newb.
I have no idea who you are and what you've done beyond that.
Its not pejorative, just a fact.


Just wondering about your automotive back round. Its not a loaded question at all and there's no need to get defensive, its something I'm sure man would like to know.

That's all out there. You can read up on your own.

MM? he's never built any vehicle, he just modifies them

the day he makes one is the day I will, eat breakfust

That day is fast approaching.

http://www.mazdamaniac.com/images/misc/gtm/b1.jpg

Nope. You have 20 posts. That makes you a newb.
I have no idea who you are and what you've done beyond that.
Its not pejorative, just a fact.


:lol2: No, not fact, ignorance. You made a comment without paying better attention. Skimmed over the Oct. '04 join date and "assumed" 20 post could only be the result of one being a "newb." Maybe a higher level of maturity coupled with a lower degree of arrogance might have resulted in a better use of wording.

Your use of the word "fact" is borderline narcissistic. :lol:



That's all out there. You can read up on your own.

Anyplace in particular?

:lol2: No, not fact, ignorance. You made a comment without paying better attention. Skimmed over the Oct. '04 join date and "assumed" 20 post could only be the result of one being a "newb." Maybe a higher level of maturity coupled with a lower degree of arrogance might have resulted in a better use of wording.

Your use of the word "fact" is borderline narcissistic. :lol:


Now you are just making up your own definition of newb.
Whatever. Doesn't particularly mean anything to me, which is all that matters to me, narcissistic, arrogant or immature as that may be to you.
I'm not motivated to do things for other people's benefit.


Anyplace in particular?

You've been here since '04 and can't figure that out?
Newb.

I didn't pay any particular interest to you when you came here because you hadn't the backround worth acknoledging. At that point you had a MX3 you'd talk about that produce very unimpressive numbers. You jumpped on the Greddy Kit wagon and pretty much you were known as the guy with the big mouth and the only working Greddy kit.

Your knowledge of rotaries in general was limited and thats the kind of information I came to this forum to learn. Although I was better off at the RX7 forums with the real pros who have history to back up their arogance.

RX7Club is the home of some of the worst advice you can be given. This site is a little smaller. After a time, you can get a handle on who is giving you good info and who is shoveling bull shit.

The truth is that there are a very select few on this site who have actually succeeded in providing good advice that actually works with the 8.
MM is one of them - why he has to be so arrogant with it is something only he knows .
But rest assured if MM says it is right 95% of the time it will be ;)

I didn't pay any particular interest to you when you came here because you hadn't the backround worth acknoledging. At that point you had a MX3 you'd talk about that produce very unimpressive numbers. You jumpped on the Greddy Kit wagon and pretty much you were known as the guy with the big mouth and the only working Greddy kit.

Your knowledge of rotaries in general was limited and thats the kind of information I came to this forum to learn. Although I was better off at the RX7 forums with the real pros who have history to back up their arogance.



I haven't seen anyone else provide as many tunes as MM, and be able to do it blindly (remotely) with so few issues.

He not only is able to get the job done, but he has shown the ability to figure out and make things work without outside help.

By my definition, he has a deservedly positive history of results with the RX-8.

As soon as your RX-7 pros do the same for the RX-8, then you can start injecting their thoughts into our discussions. Or, I guess you can head back to the RX-7 forums and see how much RX-8 help you get.

I haven't seen anyone else provide as many tunes as MM, and be able to do it blindly (remotely) with so few issues.

He not only is able to get the job done, but he has shown the ability to figure out and make things work without outside help.

By my definition, he has a deservedly positive history of results with the RX-8.

As soon as your RX-7 pros do the same for the RX-8, then you can start injecting their thoughts into our discussions. Or, I guess you can head back to the RX-7 forums and see how much RX-8 help you get.

Like I told him from the get go, I'm not bashing nor saying he doesn't know anything about using AP to tune RX8s.

I asked a simple question about his mechanical backround.

At that point you had a MX3 you'd talk about that produce very unimpressive numbers.

That was the interesting Mazda I had at the time. just shy of 300 HP, which was almost 100 more than the next closest with that motor.


You jumpped on the Greddy Kit wagon and pretty much you were known as the guy with the big mouth and the only working Greddy kit.


I've never owned or installed the GReddy kit. My system is custom. I've used some GReddy parts, but I change them in and out for others on a regular basis.


Your knowledge of rotaries in general was limited and thats the kind of information I came to this forum to learn. Although I was better off at the RX7 forums with the real pros who have history to back up their arogance.

Yeah, you should go back there. Rikki.

why he has to be so arrogant with it is something only he knows .

Oh. I'll try to be more demure in the future. I'm sure that will advance my cause much more forcefully.


I asked a simple question about his mechanical backround.

Its out there. Go find it.

I didn't pay any particular interest to you when you came here because you hadn't the backround worth acknoledging. At that point you had a MX3 you'd talk about that produce very unimpressive numbers. You jumpped on the Greddy Kit wagon and pretty much you were known as the guy with the big mouth and the only working Greddy kit.

Your knowledge of rotaries in general was limited and thats the kind of information I came to this forum to learn. Although I was better off at the RX7 forums with the real pros who have history to back up their arogance.

wow,

once again no research dooms you..

big fail..

take the time before you post off..

beers :beer:

Is there a question somewhere in this or just a thread Jack?

I'd rather Jeff was spending time looking at my latest datalog and sending me an updated map or giving me feedback on what he needs from me to get my AFRs above 5K dialed in at WOT. This just seems like a trolling exercise and a deliberate waste of time and data storage space.

I have confidence in Jeff's abilities for 2 reasons.

1) He does it to his own car first and puts some skin of his own in the game before testing it on the unsuspecting public.

2) He has shown his in depth theoretical as well as practical knowledge many times on this forum and with others that he has helped out after other tuners have given them something that is less than ideal.

I trust him with tuning my car.

I wouldn't necessarily trust him to take care of my house and my cat for a weekend but hey, everyone has their strengths and weaknesses.;)

I wouldn't necessarily trust him to take care of my house and my cat for a weekend but hey, everyone has their strengths and weaknesses.;)

aw... but if he did, you'd come home to 2girls1bottle, or 3girls1tub, or some other style of orgy :)

3 girls 1 tub won't work

3 girls 1 tub won't work

depends on the size of your tub.. fail..

do you have tub envy????


beers :beer:

3 girls 1 tub won't work

Fail.

All questions pretty much answered.. :lol:

Always good for a laugh.

You're on the West now, maybe you'll build something big one day and we'll hear about you up here at FFTec and SMA.

Looking forward to it. :)

Fail.

no that is a HOT tub :lol2:

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=124110&d=1217224971

You're on the West now, maybe you'll build something big one day and we'll hear about you up here at FFTec and SMA.


Nah, you'll probably miss that, too.

I'm not sure what you mean by "big". Dollars, scope, visibility or what.
I certainly haven't heard of you, so I'm not sure what measure you would prefer.
Ever been to SEMA? GrandAm? GrandPrix? Barrett Jackson?

I guess I'll never know. Oh well.

I didn't pay any particular interest to you when you came here because you hadn't the backround worth acknoledging.


Damn now that's arrogance!


Although I was better off at the RX7 forums with the real pros who have history to back up their arogance.

How about we save the "mine is bigger than yours" contest and get back on topic here.

that's not a bath tub, you fail!!!!!!

btw, I dare you to do a 4 girl 1 tub

that's not a bath tub, you fail!!!!!!

Actually, it is. Have you never been to Madalay Bay?

btw, I dare you to do a 4 girl 1 tub

:eyetwitch

ok fine! I bet you can't do 5!!!

wtf r u in real life.......

ok fine! I bet you can't do 5!!!

wtf r u in real life.......

Now it's getting interesting...:uhh:

wtf r u in real life.......

my personal suspicion for the longest time* is that MM is in fact a porn photographer. he just moved out west to be closer to the adult entertainment expo. :)

*strengthened at times by various off hand comments by him.

my personal suspicion for the longest time* is that MM is in fact a porn photographer. he just moved out west to be closer to the adult entertainment expo. :)

*strengthened at times by various off hand comments by him.

i wouldnt say photographer.....

ok fine! I bet you can't do 5!!!

Now that would be just stupid.

wow, we so dont care about this tread anymore :)

wow, we so dont care about this tread anymore :)

Apparently not.

you know someone will come say it.... *cough* *cough* Taja *cough* ..... so i might as well.... 6 Girls 1 Tub?

also fwiw i was reading your install page closely, other than learning how to manuever to fit, and proll 3-5 bolts that'll be uneasy to reach, there isnt anything "hard" to do... :) this makes me smile

The "hard" parts (pun probably intended in this thread!) are more of a PITA that actually hard.

The "hard" parts (pun probably intended in this thread!) are more of a PITA that actually hard.

yeah but once its all over, you breath a huge sigh of relief and it leaves you feeling dirty, yet proud

f'ing Jeff, I give up -_-


you ARE in fact a porn photographer, or a porn star in real life

i hate you

f'ing Jeff, I give up -_-


you ARE in fact a porn photographer, or a porn star in real life

i hate you

hahaha, Taja has penis envy :)

personally i think jeff has a very multi-faceted personality. just paying small attention here tells me he's very mechanically inclined, has a musical talent or two, is extremely versed in robotics, has an extensive knowledge of web design and programming in at least 2 languages, has some sort of connection to adult entertainment related ventures(you figure out what connection), and is/becoming quite the business man, and overall has a very analytical-cognitive mind

seems like a cool cat to me? very knowledgable in many areas of which i am or was previously interested. perhaps in a couple years or so i'll have a chance to meet up with him near his homeland and i can try to psychoanalyze him for you guys, lol.(which i have confidence would turn me into a lethargic vegetable :) )

or he might just be satan himself

or he might just be satan himself

Too much responsibility in that job.

Omg hes Jig saw . He builds his own torture machines from scratch and kills all non appreciative rx8 member. :(

no he doesn't, he just doesn't tune it for them

Omg hes Jig saw . He builds his own torture machines from scratch and kills all non appreciative rx8 member. :(

if MM has a basement full of machinery and tables with stirrups.... i HIGHLY doubt its meant for torture, at least not in the traditional sense:eyetwitch

if MM has a basement full of machinery and tables with stirrups.... i HIGHLY doubt its meant for torture, at least not in the traditional sense:eyetwitch

"Now, take a deep breath. You are going to feel a little pressure..."

wow....i havent been on in a little while...last i saw was a post from page 5 and WTF this is comical....crazy how this has totally changed directions....i love randomness tho!

wow....i havent been on in a little while...last i saw was a post from page 5 and WTF this is comical....crazy how this has totally changed directions....i love randomness tho!

Any updates on your car?

wow....i havent been on in a little while...last i saw was a post from page 5 and WTF this is comical....crazy how this has totally changed directions....i love randomness tho!

Yeah, sorry Louie.
We were just getting a little antsy waiting for an update.

wassup yo! how's your car!

"Now, take a deep breath. You are going to feel a little pressure..."

HAHAHA

:lol2:
been busy for a while and then this :lol:

Enjoyed it tremendously

Well....everything is pretty much off....gauges ..turbo kit....etc. I left all suspension mods on tho....but they should be done with it tomorrow I believe...then I will take it to the dealership and see what they say! Dave from Werks gives the dealership Im going to like 90% of his business (parts wise) so he said he doesn't think it should be a problem. We'll see though.

Well....everything is pretty much off....gauges ..turbo kit....etc. I left all suspension mods on tho....but they should be done with it tomorrow I believe...then I will take it to the dealership and see what they say! Dave from Werks gives the dealership Im going to like 90% of his business (parts wise) so he said he doesn't think it should be a problem. We'll see though.

Didn't mean your car, sorry to hear it popped so quick :(
I was just talking in general, fun tread, Jeff never fails to entertain amongst all other things. :lol:

seems to be a common theme around here - turbo your RX8 then sell it . What is up with that ?


You got that right. Blah, blah, turbo is better. Turbo, major tweaking, major catastrophe, major tweaking, then remove turbo or sell car.

People best be doing their homework.

The truth is that there are a very select few on this site who have actually succeeded in providing good advice that actually works with the 8.
MM is one of them - why he has to be so arrogant with it is something only he knows .
But rest assured if MM says it is right 95% of the time it will be ;)


I do like the fact that MM does his homework.

You got that right. Blah, blah, turbo is better. Turbo, major tweaking, major catastrophe, major tweaking, then remove turbo or sell car.

People best be doing their homework.

I wonder what the actual number of people running turbo kits that haven't had a major catastrophe and popped a motor then removed and/or sold are... I know there are at least a few folks out there who have been running kits for 25-30k or more miles though. Makes me scared to get a kit, but *shrug* I really want to try it, and I'm doing my homework well before getting a kit.

If you cant afford to lose a motor (emotionally or financially) you have absolutely no business adding an aftermarket turbocharger/supercharger to your vehicle.
Period.

I don't care who is promising you what and where your warranty sits, or which kit on which car from whichever manufacturer - extracting 30% to 100% more power out of your motor requires financial and emotional responsibility.

....can't handle losing your motor emotionally......hahaha

If you cant afford to lose a motor (emotionally or financially) you have absolutely no business adding an aftermarket turbocharger/supercharger to your vehicle.
Period.

I don't care who is promising you what and where your warranty sits, or which kit on which car from whichever manufacturer - extracting 30% to 100% more power out of your motor requires financial and emotional responsibility.

dead on post! gotta love it.

jeff doesnt take pictures for the money...he takes them for a shitload of money...heh

jeff doesnt take pictures for the money...he takes them for a shitload of money...heh

I take them for the sweet lulz...

I take them for the sweet lulz...

2 girls, 1 motor?

Hey guys.....just now getting a response from Mazda and they are going to be giving me a new engine! I am so relieved. Lesson learned for sure. But, I do wish I could be keeping it.

^good to hear man! don't worry, there is still plenty of time to get another 8 once you get your financial stuff taken care of :)