Hi all,

The time has come. Something I have been slowly working towards since I took delivery of my first RX-8 in mid 2003. And something you have all been waiting for (I hope!)

RX-8 Flash Tuner Software (PCM Calibrating)

My company, Performance Design Australia (the home of "Hymee Enhanced") expects to introduce a Software / Hardware PCM Calibration package into our sCANalyser line. The expected release timeframe is the first week of March, 2008. That gives me about 6 weeks :Eyecrazy:
The likely name for the software package is "sCANalyser Pro Tuner". Or perhaps I should hold a naming competition like we did for the sCANalyser...

Nomenclature:
PCM = Powertrain Control Module. Otherwise known as the ECU.

It is planned that sCANalyser Pro Tuner will do the following:

Allow an experienced user / tuner to re-calibrate many of the operating parameters tucked away inside the very powerful RX-8 PCM.
Allow the recalibration to be done via the ODBII port under the dash. No need to remove the PCM, or even open the bonnet/hood for that matter. No need to piggy back another EMS (that has no idea of what the RX-8 PCM is doing!)
End user has the tools to re-flash ECU if it gets "overwritten" during service.
Allow for Factory PCM control of RX-8's fitted with forced induction (supercharged or turbocharged).
Allow the user to perform real-time tuning.


Some of the calibration maps/information that I am planning for sCANalyser Pro Tuner to be able to modify are:


Fuel (Injector) Mapping
Ignition Mapping
Idle Speed
Cooling fan on/off temps
MAF Scaling
Injector Sizing


Benefits of PCM tuning include not losing all the nice things the factory PCM gives you - i.e. Cruise control, DSC / Traction Control etc. And you don't have to worry about annoying CEL lights that can (and often do) plague piggyback/interceptor EMS solutions.

Why now? Well the answer to that should tie in with my other "sort of" product announcement, but it is hardly news...

Twin Screw Supercharger

As displayed at SSX late last year, I'm planning on having my S/C all up and running on my RX-8 for public consumption and for sale in the same timeframe as sCAnalyser Pro Tuner is released. It works in nicely, as my supercharged RX-8 engine will be controlled by the factory PCM with a recalibrated tune up courtesy of sCANalyser Pro Tuner.

And the best bit for S/C Purchasers - For a limited introductory offer, I will be offering Pro Tuner included in the S/C kit at no additional cost. That will immediately make what I believe to be the very best designed and engineered S/C kit great value for money.

More details to come. I've got lots of work to do...

Remember - You read it here first!

Cheers,
Hymee.

Details of expected product offerings and capabilities are what is planned at the time of writing.

Nice! Cant wait!

Hymee, check pm please :) :)

FINALLY ! FLASHER ! Can the flasher disable certain CEL from showing? Cuz I know some Subaru flasher can do that.

The GDP of Australia just went up about 20%.

Kick ass, this is how it should be done. I dreaded the idea of having to remove a piggy back emu to take my car in for warranty work, and that has held me back from purchasing one.

Most other sports cars have ecu flash devices such as this and I never understood why there wasn't one for our car yet. I guess the rx-8 mod world isn't as big as say a Mustang or wrx sti so everything takes twice as long to come out.

Please keep us posted on the release date and price.

Check pm hymeeeeeee !!! check ~~~~~~

This is awesome!
Is it able to remove the speed limit and raise the rev limt?

Best tuning systems for Mazda come from Australia. i wonder if this will be a mo tech based system.
I wonder how it keeps the system from developing stft and ltft?
oscd

Would this replace my interceptor-x ems?

Would this replace my interceptor-x ems?

you bet

Will it work for 4AT?

i want the sc install plus the retune!!NOW! ...... ok i'll wait in line for it.

I am in on THIS!

awesome news!

hp and tq numbers?:Eyecrazy:

PS - How will you be logging data?

PS - How will you be logging data?

I was also wondering about that.

Any way to connect a wideband o2 signal for street tuning?

Wideband O2 and boost pressure; plus log it all in a file - and my money would LEAP from my wallet.

Not to mention my software would work with it.

I'll take one to go... dibs... so sign me up... :lol: are you taking reservations/deposits yet? Opps!.. any idea how much lunch money I need to save for the whole enchilada? This could be the biggest crash diet savings account ever...:)

wonder who will release first him or cobb???

wonder who will release first him or cobb???
Hymee I guess...

I was also wondering about that.

Any way to connect a wideband o2 signal for street tuning?

Thats the beauty of it - sCANalyser already does live monitoring and logging. I need to work on the graphing side.

And the other beatiful bit is the the RX-8 already has a WBO2 sensor, and this is already monitored by sCANalyser.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Will this require a hardware change from the Scanalyser?

Upgrade prices available....???

You rule Hymee - Can sCANalyser monitor individual injectors too?

Sounds sweet. Can people who already have you sCANalyser upgrade to this? Or is a new cable and box needed?

Will this require a hardware change from the Scanalyser?

Upgrade prices available....???

The goal/plan is to use the existing sCANalyser hardware for the interface. Initial developments have sucessfully reflashed using this method, so that is the basis for the next round of work.

Yes - I'll have an upgrade path for those who have supported sCANalyser to date.

Cheers,
Hymee.

You rule Hymee - Can sCANalyser monitor individual injectors too?

Current versions only report on one pulse width, but essentially sCANalyser can monitor anything that is broadcast on the CAN bus. It might take some more work to get that far - it is just a matter of finding out the "PIDS". Sounds easy - hey? LOL!

Cheers,
Hymee.

Does this mean you save the curent map on your lap top for emmissions purposes. Then re-install it for smog inspection?

mark,

i have a couple of templet things that you can make available. send me a email when it settles down....;)


beers :beer:

awesome news - this will be a major coup for you if you can realease it before anyone else

Does this mean you save the curent map on your lap top for emmissions purposes. Then re-install it for smog inspection?

Whilst that is entirely possible, I'd advocate that in the right hands, your "current map" would/should be smog legal anyway. It is a very powerful computer - it is just a matter of tuning it correctly for the application.

Cheers,
Hymee.

How do you plan to manage boost Hymee?

How do you plan to manage boost Hymee?

I'm not going to give away all the secrets, but lets just say that that computer is more than capable of handling what is required, without resorting to trickery.

Unless I read your question wrongly of course - The other answer is that the driver manages the boost. When you open the throttle enough to lose manifold vacuum, you get boost. When you close the throttle, the boost is bypassed. This is of course in relation to my S/C with the bypass valve.

Or are you talking about electronic control of the blow-off valve or wastegate in a turbo application?

Cheers,
Hymee.

PS - If I go quiet from time to time, it'll be 'cause I'm working on the product. I'm sure there are one or two capable minds here who should be able to chime in with some answers. I reckon I'd probably prefer to get the runs on the board first. But I'll try to provide answers where I can.

Cheers,
Hymee.

My bad Hymee - I should have been more specific - with MAF; you get total volume of airflow which is cool - but without pressure information. You could calc MAF flow and intake temperature - then deduce the PPO2 I guess...but was curious if a MAP was part of the package.

I was just curious how you were going to handle it.

But I understand secrets too -

"Tell them nothing, Hymee!!"

I'll resist that for the purpose of community edumaction. If the computer know precisely what mass of air is entering the engine, then it can calculate the amount of fuel required. The RX-8 doesn't need to calculate mass air flow. It has a very sensitive device on board that tells it - the MAF and it has a integrated air temp sensor. As long as it is calibrated correctly. If the RX-8 doesn't have a MAP (Manifold Absolute Pressure) sensor, then the factory computer can't know anything about one.

Lesson over :D

Cheers,
Hymee.

"Tell them nothing, Hymee!!"

I'll resist that for the purpose of community edumaction. If the computer know precisely what mass of air is entering the engine, then it can calculate the amount of fuel required. The RX-8 doesn't need to calculate mass air flow. It has a very sensitive device on board that tells it - the MAF and it has a integrated air temp sensor. As long as it is calibrated correctly. If the RX-8 doesn't have a MAP (Manifold Absolute Pressure) sensor, then the factory computer can't know anything about one.

Lesson over :D

Cheers,
Hymee.

good work hymee. any info on pricing yet?

how does this work in practice? should the maf then be located after the compressor to correctly measure the air temp? or is the mass flow drawn through at atmospheric the same as the mas flow of the compressed air? and if the latter is true then how is the increase in temperature post compressor accounted for?

The more important question is will this work for North American cars?

^^ Why wouldn't it..same engine, same PCM...different programming is all...

The more important question is will this work for North American cars?


yes,

as we are his major market... ;)

beers :beer:

Question that I must ask.

Is this Dummy proof? Just curious if I should keep track of this or let the professionals as it where play with this.

It will be like any other tuning....if you understand what your doing and have good data...you get a good result.

But..."garbage in = garbage out" The system won't be the problem...the geniuses doing the tuning will be :D:

Next question is: Can we load pre-made maps (like cobb) and flash the ecu, or will we need to make our own maps for everything?

argh. more monies that will need to be spent. but not now unfortunately. :(

dynos plx.

Ok I know i am relatively new to the FI scene and my question may be stupid. But, i would appreciate an answer so maybe I can learn some more.
Once this tuning of our pcm is done--what is keeping the pcm from adjusting via short term fuel trims and long term fuel trims? Does this tuning change the pcm's desire to automatically tune via st and ltft to a 14.1 a/f? if so --without revealing secrets---can you tell me How?
oldsuperchargeddragger

I am speculating here...

Good question OSCD - but in closed loop - I dunno how you would change it since it uses the narrow band O2...I think.

But like EMU - with the flash you should be able to force it into open loop at will.

If it is like cobb - in the logging interface; you can adjust (say for example idle map) and watch the real time feeds to be sure your STFT is zero...there is a HOW TO article on Cobb's page somewhere that describes how you would do it with their software.

Ok I know i am relatively new to the FI scene and my question may be stupid. But, i would appreciate an answer so maybe I can learn some more.
Once this tuning of our pcm is done--what is keeping the pcm from adjusting via short term fuel trims and long term fuel trims? Does this tuning change the pcm's desire to automatically tune via st and ltft to a 14.1 a/f? if so --without revealing secrets---can you tell me How?
oldsuperchargeddragger

Given that this tool allows changing parameters within the ECU, you no longer have to "fight" with the ECUs tendencies. IOW you use the tool to change the 'target a/f' then any trim developed will go towards the new (corrected) target.

Spin9K - You would still be limited by the sensor - I don't think closed loop driving used the wideband one.

Can someone correct me?

Want Need Want Need Want Need.
How much of my savings... er credit ca.... um... money I don't have will this require? :icon_droo

nice, keep us updated!

I would expect the PCM has a defined Lamba reading at each load/rpm point...and in closed loop will try and adjust to that...hence the LT and ST fuel trims.
In open loop...there is no adjustment...so the trims are not changed. You get what your tables say for that Mass air flow

What I'm not sure about...is whether or not the trims are carried forward into the open loop areas or not ....

Will this solution work as well with a turbo as it will with a supercharger ?

Spin9K - You would still be limited by the sensor - I don't think closed loop driving used the wideband one.

Can someone correct me?

It's gasoline combustion, any useful Lamda would be in sensor range, no? How would that limit anything? If the WB isn't used during closed loop as you say (but it is) and it doesn't matter during open loop certainly, then why would it be installed (a retorical ?)?

Good point Spin9K - I have just never seen it logged so I wasn't sure what the deal was.

P.S. I didn't SAY anything - I SPECULATED. When I am unsure on a subject I try to make that clear.

great news! can't wait to see this little guy in action

I saw the question asked "will it work on an AT" but I did not see a definitive answer. Will it work on an AT?

I like your style, Hymee!

If you've hacked the entire PCM is there some Mazda engineer somewhere with a fat Swiss bank account now?

Can we also tell the PCM to pop open the secondary and tertiary ports for boost at all RPMs, thus getting more power at lower RPMs and ridding us of those #!*% lean spikes when the PCM pops them open ala stock/NA tuning?

This also means the PCM will chase AFR targets on a per gear basis, which slays another tuning gremlin!

Well done you!!!

The pcm is pretty strong on getting to the "perfect a/f" of 14.1---which is exactly what you DONT want with FI. The trims are accumulative. Talk to RB.
Now maybe they have found a way around this and still maintain all the pcm's flexability in reference to climate/temps and elevation. That would be great and exactly what we need, but if that is not the case, then it's a problem---you are right back to having to have an individual tune, seasonal tunes, location tunes---just like for example-- the INT X.
Plus--the trims will mean you will have to pull your room fuse(clear the trims) frequently or the pcm will put you in a area you didnt think you would go too.
Just changing some settings the pcm uses has been done and continues to be done. It can be done through the ob2 port. What hasnt been done yet is keeping the adaptive function of the pcm, the monitoring capacity of the pcm, yet to be able to control the trimming enough for FI applications.
I hope they have solved this!
oldscdragger

^^^ Yes - but remember you only want/need to be richer than stoich in boost and transition to boost (plus normal high RPM / high load) - not all the time - so I think forcing the car into open loop would be an ok solution.

Kane--I think the trimming will carryover to open loop mode also. Thats the problem. Long term fuel trims are stored in memory as it becomes part of the basic injection duration calculation, it is not erasable like stft's. ST fuel trims erase when you turn the ignition off, LTFT does not. To erase them you have to pull the room or disconnect the battery. I think you will find in a FI car that the MAF is going to have a higher percentage of cutting fuel than you think---even in open loop mode.
Please tell me they have fixed this and I will start the celebration:)!
oldscdragger

I would have to see the tables the PCM uses to adjust fuel trims - but if you are correct; then if your closed loop tuning does not create and STFT (which it shouldn't if you aim for Stoich) - then there are no trims to impact the open loop.

But either way - I agree once Hymee chimes in there will (I hope) be cause for celebration.

Congratulations Mark!!

It's great to see an independent guy like yourself bringing a product to market that almost none of the other big ECU guys (Cobb excepted) have been able to do.

And Cobb isn't even going to release with tuning capability or FI.

Go Hymee!!:bowdown:

I hope so!
oscd

Kane--I think the trimming will carryover to open loop mode also. Thats the problem. Long term fuel trims are stored in memory as it becomes part of the basic injection duration calculation, it is not erasable like stft's. ST fuel trims erase when you turn the ignition off, LTFT does not. To erase them you have to pull the room or disconnect the battery. I think you will find in a FI car that the MAF is going to have a higher percentage of cutting fuel than you think---even in open loop mode.
Please tell me they have fixed this and I will start the celebration:)!
oldscdragger

If you force the PCM into open loop in all of the places where you are going to run richer than stock A/Fs, the PCM will not adjust the LTFT.
That is what I'm doing with the EMU and why my LTFT is at a "fixed" number based on the actual injector trim from nominal.

If we can adjust the lookup tables for the A/F the PCM expects to see at various load/MAF points...then we should be able to leave the closed loop control alone for a lot of areas.

I guess it will depend on what we can actually change in the programming.

The PCM will do whatever you tell it to do with this tool.
If you want the A/F target to be 11.1:1 at 4.6v of MAF output, then it will apply the appropriate table to the problem and come up with an injector duration. LTFT and such is merely a tool in the PCMs arsenal to adjust for the variations in fuel delivery in a mass produced vehicle.

There wasn't really an answer to this question.

Is there expected to be a stock map, and what gains should be expected from this. Ergo, can we expect, right out of the box to have a RB Flash like gain, iwth infinite tuning potential from there?

Congrats Hymee!

Look forward to hearing more details. I don't want to make it sound like it was simple, but it does seem like you may have bought drinks for the right folks at SevenStock!!

Looking forward to seeing you there again!

I am trying not to sound stupid here, but obviously I do not understand.. Are all the actual tables changed and the systems that try to get the car to stoich now recognize the new value as the "new" stoich?
I understand that ltft are not built in open loop but doesnt the stft gathered in closed loop operation influence the tables used for open loop running--hence the adaptive nature (within a certain %) of the pcm?
Or is the learning part of the pcm removed entirely? If the learning capacity is removed then wouldnt it be the same as a stand alone PCM as far as engine performance is concerned?
Or does the stft etc now all try to get to a implanted stoich and will ignore the 14.7 that was there?
oldscdragger

The lookup tables for the A/F ratio change...so the PCM makes the A/F to the new value...not the stock values.

The good thing is the knock routines from the knock sensor will work..and pull timing etc if it detects knock.....very nice thing to have for FI on this engine

Good job Hymee!! Glad to hear that you are this close on your Supercharger:bowdown:

Cobb....or Hymee...

Whomever gets to market with a tuning solution first gets the money...

Go Hymee...good stuff...

Yay Hymee!

Nice work to be seeing this in a little over a month with a tuning solution available (unlike COBB)!!!

Well done boys, great effort in getting this up......it's obviously been a long hard road and you both deserve a big slap on the back for persisting with it.

Cheers :icon_tup:

That would be "boy" as in singular, as the one you refer to and I parted ways as of the end of June, 2007.

;)

Cheers,
Hymee.

Just when i thought id made up my mind and move on to my next ride you drag me back to the option of a properly running tuned Superchager :aroused: :naughty: :Wconfused .
with a recalibrated tune up

Well done Hymmster :smoker:

Cheers
Michael

Excellent work! Perhaps I should buy a series 2? :yumyum:

Well done Hymee

I look forward to more information on your system. I am at the crossroad as well with my car so, this kit may be enough to keep me interested.

I hope you give Brisbanites some preference

Good luck

skc

beers hymee. ill be emailing you soon:) got to go to work now

Congratulations Hymee. Best wishes for a successful launch in March. :)

Now, get a Sydney tuning shop on board!!! :fingersx:

Those of us who are mechanical :dunce: will need support with this if my inability to follow most of this thread is anything to go by :o: .

Congrats Hymee, your S/C kit was one of the nicest pieces of after-market equipment I have ever seen and I have no doubt that this product will be just as good.

Are you going to create some base line flashes for N/A cars and say the Greddy Turbo, it would be great to have a starting point that is somewhat conservative and could be dialed in at an individual level.

Awesome work man!

Well done Hymee,

Stuff a "Sydney tuning shop" what about a training workshop up in BrisVegas!! Lets russle up Daves, Macca, et all......ROAD TRIP!!!

I would expect the PCM has a defined Lamba reading at each load/rpm point...and in closed loop will try and adjust to that...hence the LT and ST fuel trims.
In open loop...there is no adjustment...so the trims are not changed. You get what your tables say for that Mass air flow

What I'm not sure about...is whether or not the trims are carried forward into the open loop areas or not ....

yes and yes

yes and yes

Yes and for example, if you use the RB flash, RB's web site (if you read carefully) instructs you to pull the 'room' fuse just before you start a track session to erase any learned trims so they won't affect you track maps they have set into your ECU. Then the only trims the ECU can start to 'learn' from are those produced from your on-track driving, and likely that is much more tuned towards 'very agressive' and a majority of 'open loop' driving lol. Bottom line, I do the 'room' fuse pull each session.

ok woah guys . where did we all lose our memory. od you're running a flash in your car now. is the pcm trying to impose stock values?

NO! Because the values have been changed. period end of story the pcm has been given a new set of instructions. where it used to do A it now does 3

Flash tuning for FI is done all over the auto industry. will it work? YEAH of course see above.

RB has done a flash tune for FI- remember the white SC'd car? Damon did that tune while at RB before he moved to Mazda.

Trim- Short term fuel trim is used to adjust the long term fuel trim. LTFT adjusts the actual fuel delivery. Lets use some real easy numbers. During CLOSED LOOP the PCM gets info on the amount of air the engine is ingesting. It looks at a table and says i need to inject 5 parts of fuel so i need to fire the injectors for that much fuel.

Then the wide band mesures the result and says " you know what it looks like you only injected 4.5 fuel so keep the injector open a little longer, m'kay?"

rinse and repeat. thats stft. those increments are added to the LTFT so that from then on the computer fires teh injectors for what the table says AND LTFT. it keeps checking it over and over and adjusting to hit the target.

with tuning YOU CHANGE THE TARGET. so it does all of its adjusting to the new target. during OPEN LOOP the PCM fires what the table says +/- LTFT but without the checking and adjusting you get in closed loop.

in reality what would be best is not forcing open loop but having a system that was able to operate in closed loop no matter what rpm /load etc was going on- it would be more accurate:)


we just arent there yet.

Well, I didn't lose my memory, and the fact is that unfortunately the trims the RX-8 creates are not created to a 'perfect tune' goal apparently, but a 'rich tune' goal. So there are still tricks that need to be played on it even when the 'perfect tune' ala RB race flash (perfect tune) has been implanted in it's little brain.

So unless and until (perhaps Hymee's flash is able to do this) the algorithms or constants that determine these offset trim numbers are redone, I'll continue to pull the fuse.

In developing this flash, we disconnected the Front Oxygen Sensor so that we had a stable, unchanging platform. Otherwise, the system would continually develop new trims that we would have to chase. Of course, it is not appropriate for you to do this (except in racing) because the system NEEDS the oxygen feedback information to correct the engine’s operation at light to moderate throttle settings. The fact is, in our experience, the PCM will usually build a 2% to 3.5% top level trim, which means the engine is running that much richer than best power mixture. In general, this is a small amount, and will only cause a fraction of 1% loss of power. On the other hand, if you don't want to run with this factor (i.e. racing applications), you have two choices:

1. Disconnect the Front Oxygen Sensor (at the top of the bell housing), pull and reinstall the "ROOM" fuse (in the left kick panel) to eliminate the 3 trim levels, and the PCM will NEVER build a fuel trim (it will turn on the "Check Engine" light, but that's all).

2. As an alternative, you can simply warm the engine prior to a competition run, shut off the engine, pull and reinstall the "ROOM" fuse, and begin your competition shortly after starting the engine. In this way, the engine never sees the "cruise" operation it needs to build the trim level.

not you spin- that was mainly directed to the previous page. and 2% rich with a 1% difference in power on an FI rotary using normal at the pump fuel sounds like a good plan to me

:kiss: wondered but didn't know what (who) 'od' meant. But anyway, even 1% (2.32HP) power being so easy to obtain (and use) at the track, why not? That's equal to/more than many exhausts or pulleys or intakes or ...... a lot of things :lol:

FINALLY! The announcement I've been waiting for!

Cobb....or Hymee...

Whomever gets to market with a tuning solution first gets the money...

Go Hymee...good stuff...

didn't Cobb say it wouldn't be geared towards FI? I think this looks like a good fit for what you want.

didn't Cobb say it wouldn't be geared towards FI? I think this looks like a good fit for what you want.

no, they said it will ship with base maps for NA applications... then the tuning software will be available shortly afterwards

no, they said it will ship with base maps for NA applications... then the tuning software will be available shortly afterwards

gottcha! Thanks for the clarification Rotor. :)

:kiss: wondered but didn't know what (who) 'od' meant. But anyway, even 1% (2.32HP) power being so easy to obtain (and use) at the track, why not? That's equal to/more than many exhausts or pulleys or intakes or ...... a lot of things :lol:

"at the track" is of course the end of the discussion. do what you feel is necessary etc. but OD and others thinking the trim is somehow "fighting" the tune" is what im on about. the trim is trying to make the car perform its tune based on feedback from its sensors on what is actually happening.

im sure trim algorithms are in the firmware and not in the flashable software

I guess there will still be the bugabo of 'fighting the trim' and by that I mean 'fighting FOR the lean tune WE want vs what the car wants, i.e., with the car wanting a bit too rich a tune, even when we can flash. Oh well maybe it's not enough to worry about in the end.

If the lookup tables can't be changed with a flash tune...we are wasting our time trying to flash the PCM for FI uses.....so The lookup tables must be accessible to the flash tune.

I just hope all the knock and throttle values can be tweeked as well

Zoom--I understand what you are saying about target values being replaced. i cant talk about details but it seems "it ain't that easy". It seems one secret to getting this pcm NOT to trim toward undesirable a/f's is to get the maf to not trim to much. After a number of study cars it is FAIRLY standard that the MAF is trimming 3-5%. One car was actually adding fuel but it was because it had a small vacuum leak.
so a target of 12.5 could be trimmed 5% richer or leaner. resulting in a range from 13.1 to 11.9 basically. Now do you sacrifice the 12.5 to go with a target 11.9 because you DO NOT want a 13.1 on a boosted engine?
That is what i talking about concerning the trims.
oldscdragger

If the lookup tables can't be changed with a flash tune...we are wasting our time trying to flash the PCM for FI uses.....so The lookup tables must be accessible to the flash tune.

I just hope all the knock and throttle values can be tweeked as well

Easy, fellas. A wishlist won't do us any good at this stage. I'm just looking forward to being able to view and adjust what my car is doing without paying $1200 for the privilege.

Not questioning this product at all now please understand. I was just wondering how they were handling this trim problem. I never meant to insinuate that it wasnt possible, just meant i dont have a clue as to how they handled it. I prefer to have some idea of how things work before i get them. I have learned that lesson.
rotor on
oldscdragger

I think there is a forest and trees issue here.
You don't need to "deal" with the LTFT in a flash program - the way it works is you change the values in the look-up tables. That is what flash programming is.
Once you change the target, the LTFT will adjust to that - not the old, unwanted, original values.
If you are having an issue where tuning an external device is changing the trims (I don't understand why you would need that, but it seems to be what is being discussed here), you just change the lambda look-up for that load cell to reflect the desired value and it will trim to that.

MM then please explain RB's comments about using their flash. They've modified the tables through a 'flash', but are still saying the internal ECU goal will lead to a overly rich mixture anyway by developing trims over time from using 'light to moderate load' developed numbers... then using these during WOT to change the 'perfect tune' they flashed in?

It's either one way or the other. Either you can flash the ECU to do what you want completely or you can't and have to account for its action otherwise.

edit: maybe there's a way to turn off the effect the ECU has developed (its trims) so it doesn't play into WOT fuel maps any longer?

I don't believe RB ever successfully modified the lambda tables.
I think they only played with the load targets.
I think their whole "pull the O2 sensor" reasoning was borne out of this.
As far as I can tell, the RB flash is pretty worthless for an FI application because they didn't really get control of anything.
They simply made a virtual Canzoomer box.

All guessing aside....Hymee get this done....we want this done yesterday!

very true, very true. thanks for the input Jeff /Dannobre , yall are exactly right--if all the lookup tables can be changed and still keep the flexibility of the oem system---you have a WINNER! I know some that are very close.
oscd

If they can access all of the data on the PCM...then this will kick ass......Even if the system can retain 90% of the functionality of the stock PCM..this will be a winner!

just being able to use the knock tables..and alter the load tables and lamba tables will be awesome. Some alteration of the throttle routines would be nice too!

Wooot!!!! i cant wait:)

hymee, did you ever get your new throttle body built?

Since the sCANalyser supports LS series engines, will the reflash ability work for those as well?

I wonder how much my interceptor-x will be worth once this comes out. lol

We wont even be able to give them away.

competition is always good for the consumer. :)

but i dont see a drastic drop in the int-x's value.

I think there will be. Hymee's release, Cobb's, Pettit going to flashes and their older int-x using customers dumping them into the used market...

Yep.

I dont see any reason why anyone would buy a used int-x for more than what the sCANalyzer costs.

I wonder if that metal box was ever really worth $1400 in the first place.

Can you build one?

If so - then you can do the same thing for less. If not - then you are paying for someone else's time; which is not cheap.

I have much respect for Mazsport's products, so I'm not doubting the quality of the unit. I'm merely intrigued by market trends.

E: I also wonder how much of a learning curve there will be with Hymee's solution.

Yep.

I dont see any reason why anyone would buy a used int-x for more than what the sCANalyzer costs.

Because some of us dont want to use a 5" intake pipe to get the MAF to the point where it can actually read a usable value for the amount of boost we are running =).

Now, back on topic. THIS KICKS ASS! I think it will be interesting to see how much air the stock MAF can handle.

I think you all are reading the Racing Beat information the wrong way. Im going to email JM for clarification. I believe they only used that process of removing the 02 sensor for developing their tune and that when he writes about "chasing the trims" he is only talking about during that development process.

I think you all are reading the Racing Beat information the wrong way. Im going to email JM for clarification. I believe they only used that process of removing the 02 sensor for developing their tune and that when he writes about "chasing the trims" he is only talking about during that development process.

that would be my take on it as well

TPS, rev limit, fan control are all accessable now . With enough money you can get your pcm hard tuned for YOUR car now. The trick is getting the pcm tune flexable enough for different set ups/temps/altitudes etc and still be a so called "safe tune"
and continue to have learning capacity so optimum tune for your car is obtainable.
Someone will get this done, several really good folks working on it--hope this product does it.
Dont forget RB had to pull the o2 sensor AND the knock sensor to get their flash done. It will be interesting to hear what they say.
The INT X offers much more individuallity with tuning than a flash. True is is not an adaptive tune but dont forget it's other features as far as real time data logging, map changing, soft/hard rev cut, shift light support, parking map, password protection, tuning individual rotors and other stuff. It still is a good product.
oscd

Because some of us dont want to use a 5" intake pipe to get the MAF to the point where it can actually read a usable value for the amount of boost we are running =).

You intend to put 58 pounds of air through a Renesis?

Because some of us dont want to use a 5" intake pipe to get the MAF to the point where it can actually read a usable value for the amount of boost we are running =).

Now, back on topic. THIS KICKS ASS! I think it will be interesting to see how much air the stock MAF can handle.


That is exactly the reason why you would want to reflash, especially if the MAF scaling can be altered.

Cheers,
Hymee.

You intend to put 58 pounds of air through a Renesis?

Meh... you know what I meant. I think it looks goofy having a huge tube with your MAF connected to it.

That is exactly the reason why you would want to reflash, especially if the MAF scaling can be altered.

Cheers,
Hymee.

I may be lost here, but the MAF has an absolute limit to the voltage it can display. You reach a certain amount of air, and the MAF displays 5v or whatever the max voltage is. How can you scale it at that point without replacing the pipe the MAF connects to with a larger pipe, or changing the MAF?


Oh and a question.... how are you dealing with larger injectors? Just scaling the map back?

The 5v limit on the stock MAF is probably good out to ~450 HP of airflow (340 g/sec) or so.

:lol:

mmowned.

The 5v limit on the stock MAF is probably good out to ~450 HP of airflow (340 g/sec) or so.



<--- Pwned. Continue On. I accidentally comingled some data from GTAW's comments before, and then realized there was an issue with the way he had the MAF implemented.

Hymlee--thank you!
Good luck dude, i know the hard work and wrench time is being done.
oldscdragger

It would be very easy to simply turn the VFAD output into a NO2 control and then assign it to the appropriate load level.
Think how cool that would be.
Just leave the NO2 armed and it'll start spraying when the engine is ready for it, based on what you tell the engine to do with your right foot.

You could assign the "VFAD" to open only at certain RPM, MAF readings, TPS, gears or anything else.

You just make the full load ignition tables whatever you want them to be.
It will spray the NO2 because you are at full load, not the other way around.
I guess you will be running sub-optimal ignition timing when you run out of NO2, but that won't hurt anything other than performance.

^ I'm really liking this idea... Instead of trying to sync up an external nitrous control with the PCM, have everything controlled by the PCM directly... That would be sweet :)

It would be very easy to simply turn the VFAD output into a NO2 control and then assign it to the appropriate load level.
Think how cool that would be.
Just leave the NO2 armed and it'll start spraying when the engine is ready for it, based on what you tell the engine to do with your right foot.

You could assign the "VFAD" to open only at certain RPM, MAF readings, TPS, gears or anything else.


That is a good idea as well. Need to hack that bit of the calibration as well now... :eyetwitch

Cheers,
Hymee.

That is a good idea as well. Need to hack that bit of the calibration as well now... :eyetwitch



Really, if there is ANYTHING I can do to help you with this product - no matter how small - please do not hesitate to call on me.
I think you understand how potentially earth-moving a functional re-flasher will be to this community and, having seen your handiwork, I am convinced that you have the ability to make this happen.

I'd really like to see you beat Cobb to the market.

+1 for giving Hymee my money rather than Cobb.

I'd like feedback from others, but I'm under the impression the proposed Cobb offering is a unit that allows the end user to put a pre-packaged "tune-up" (i.e. calibration) into their RX-8, with no means of tuning the said tune-up.

The topic of this thread is a product to allow the end user the ability to tune the tune-up.

Some say this is a worry. If you think about it in terms of a conventional carburettor and distributor setup, I'll just be proving a very sophisticated electronic screwdriver (to adjust the mixture) and spanner (to change the timing), albeit with a whole bunch of other sophisticated tools that can show precisely what is going on. Hopefully people will learn if they make mistakes. Hopefully it will empower a whole "generation", and perhaps one day people will feel just as comfortable tuning up their EFI as we used to in the old days with the basic tools on the carby and dizzy. Not to say they are easy! But is should be easier with all the monitoring and logging tools that are already in sCANalyser which we basically didn't have back then.

I won't be making anyone run their car in the wrong or dangerous state of tune. Just like I cant force anyone to drive dangerously.

I'll be providing a tool, intended to be put to good use, not bad.

And for those who are not worried having the ability to tune themselves (or want to perhaps spend less money) but still get a custom tuneup for their application, then I'm sure (hoping!) there will be a good choice of shops around who have this tool to provide a custom tune service for customers.

Cheers,
Hymee.

The Cobb will be (some day) tied to their Street Tuner software, that does what you are proposing.
It allows modification of virtually every parameter in the OE PCM.
This is what we want.
We want to second-guess Mazda.
There are plenty of ways to pop your motor. Please, please, please give us yet another. No pain, no gain.

Now that you have offered a new option, I will wait instead of going with Cobb. I have invested heavily in this club's vendors, and I'm sure you would like to hear, that I have the sCANalyser running currently on my laptop. :) To capture a larger customer base, are you going to offer pre-tuned maps? I plan on dyno tuning, but there will be those that don't have time or resources like me to get the custom tune, and that might persuade those on the fence to go down under.

Well I like cobb because
1) They have preset maps you can load up, no fuss no muss, no paying someone else to tune for you
2) IF the maps do not suit your needs, they will have a way via street tuner software to control *almost* every aspect of the ECU (to my knowledge)

Hymee:
I know you have the adjustment tools, how much adjustment do you have? If you also include base maps for basic stuff like NA boltons, high flow cat, no cat etc, and offer a better package for the same price (or lower) i'd be on board in supporting you.

The plan is to have preset maps available as well. Details to come. Working hard at it as we speak.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Go Hymee! Can't wait, im holding off waiting to see this as well.

so you say you can help us NA guys out????.....now im interested, would be great to see some results(dyno) and your price(lower than cobb)....no rush, maybe mid feb would be cool....

I kind of like the idea of tuning shops purchasing the software. I don't need the tune myself option so paying for a flash tune by a pro is a very cheep alternative.

My plan is to support tuning shops.

But... how much is a "cheap alternative" for a in-shop flash tune? I know places like PowerTorque charge about $800 to $1000 for a reflash based dyno/tune-up for the LS1/LS2 boys.

But then if you get "service flashed" by the WDS at Mazda service, you need to go visit the tuner again for him to reflash with your custom tuneup (if he still has it on file)...

That means there is an alternative where you keep the reflash software/hardware so you can reflash your own car yourself, or take it back to stock if you like, without having to visit the tuner, but with no means of editing the flash.

Cheers,
Hymee.

I'd really like to see you beat Cobb to the market.

I don't think that will be much of a problem... The Street Tuner software is still a way away..

I don't think that will be much of a problem... The Street Tuner software is still a way away..

Yeah, Trey is saying September now.
We know what that really means...

My plan is to support tuning shops.

But... how much is a "cheap alternative" for a in-shop flash tune? I know places like PowerTorque charge about $800 to $1000 for a reflash based dyno/tune-up for the LS1/LS2 boys.

But then if you get "service flashed" by the WDS at Mazda service, you need to go visit the tuner again for him to reflash with your custom tuneup (if he still has it on file)...

That means there is an alternative where you keep the reflash software/hardware so you can reflash your own car yourself, or take it back to stock if you like, without having to visit the tuner, but with no means of editing the flash.

Cheers,
Hymee.

how much is a good question. I would be spending about $500- 800 for a custom tune without hardware. the shop should only be charging a minimal charge for the flash and so the tuning is always going to be a cost that can't be reduced. flash tuners can't be tuned in real time so the tuning process may take longer.

in the end I'm not a good tuner and while the ability to play is a benefit I know my limitations.

That may not be true in a few months rotaryenvy...

That may not be true in a few months rotaryenvy...

I was looking forward to your developments also :cool:

February will be back on the software - and will have more info; and I'll be sure it works with Hymee's flash tool (esp since I plan to buy one for ME!) :lol:

The more i learn about this fancy efi/fi tuning, I believe i am coming to realize that it is actually easier to do than in the old days where you had some hand tools, a vacuum, gauge and a timing light--hell back then we were honing cylinders with a power drill!
oscd

how much is a good question. I would be spending about $500- 800 for a custom tune without hardware. the shop should only be charging a minimal charge for the flash and so the tuning is always going to be a cost that can't be reduced. flash tuners can't be tuned in real time so the tuning process may take longer.

in the end I'm not a good tuner and while the ability to play is a benefit I know my limitations.

Gotta start somewhere.

flash tuners can't be tuned in real time so the tuning process may take longer.

I'm hopeful of "re-writing" history regards that as well...

Cheers,
Hymee.

This just keeps sounding better and better.

Any numbers on that gorgeous supercharger yet, namely the price?

The real bonus is that one good local tuner can tune many cars with one tuner device and spread the love. I haved tuned my race car using a tec3R (boinger) and being able to tune tune the stock ECU would be priceless.

Vince

What he said ^

damn, just when the mythical figure we've waited forever for is close to release, i might have to hold off on cobb to see what comes out of this... -ugh-

Cobb is still vaporware.
Even once the AP is released, you are still stuck with whatever they think is optimal - its not a tuning solution until the ST software is available and I wouldn't count on that in '08.

Cobb is still vaporware.
Even once the AP is released, you are still stuck with whatever they think is optimal - its not a tuning solution until the ST software is available and I wouldn't count on that in '08.

Hell, I'm not banking on the AP in '08 at this rate....

Cobb is still vaporware.
Even once the AP is released, you are still stuck with whatever they think is optimal - its not a tuning solution until the ST software is available and I wouldn't count on that in '08.

it is a good solution for us NA people -shrug-

it is a good solution for us NA people -shrug-
If you like a one-size-fits-all tune.
Hmm, seems Mazda already tried that...

Is the programming carried over CAN or K-Line?

one size fits all works well for a lot of cars...

my main questions are...

- are the stock flashes based on the US flashes or the Oz flashes, or are they the same now?
- can you save the OEM flash somewhere and the reload it if needed

Is the programming carried over CAN or K-Line?

can / obd 2

beers :beer:

my main questions are...

- are the stock flashes based on the US flashes or the Oz flashes, or are they the same now?
- can you save the OEM flash somewhere and the reload it if needed


i am sure hymee will have all.. and they would be aus not oz..

and i am sure that you could save the oem.. you have to have someplace to go back to..


beers :beer:

Hymee, I have put the offer up that ProMaz is interested in working with you on this. My car goes in on the 18th for FI and if possible, at some point would want to use re-flash. If not we go with microtec instead. Either way, at some point I want to be rid of after market ECU so will on the band wagon asap.

Good work mate. Keep it up.

Cheers

Andrew

Andrew,

Sorry - I did get your TXT. Sorry, but with all that has been going on, I didn't reply. It's been hectic.

The 18th is before I announced when I plan to have something ready, but I'm sure you'll be flashed one day soon!

Promaz can contact me if they like. You've got my number :)

So your going for one of those laggy FI setups?? <stickpoke> <duck>

Cheers,
Hymee.

Andrew,

Sorry - I did get your TXT. Sorry, but with all that has been going on, I didn't reply. It's been hectic.

The 18th is before I announced when I plan to have something ready, but I'm sure you'll be flashed one day soon!

Promaz can contact me if they like. You've got my number :)

So your going for one of those laggy FI setups?? <stickpoke> <duck>

Cheers,
Hymee.

LOL... I have one of those "laggy" setups, but you would be the first person to sit in the car and call it laggy. If you come out for SSXI, I will make it a point to switch the boost controller mode to hi and take you for a ride. Anyways, can't wait to see this play out, it is a very exciting product.

Hehehe. It is all a fun.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Is there any chance of a handheld device or at least a PDA version so you could switch maps without having to have a latop in your car?

...like for instance having a handheld device I could switch the car to a map with a 3500 rpm redline so I don't have to bitch out the punk valet for revving the piss out of my car while its cold :eyetwitch

Damn.....I just bought the Ultimate, hoping to lean out my AFRs....:banghead:

OK, for those of us with the sCANanalyser already in hand (and in place): will this be a simple software update ? Or will it need additional hardware ? Will I be able to simply install the software in my CarPC and start tuning :lol:

Damn you Hymee, damn you to Hell............well, not really, awesome work dude! I was too late, but I want in too!! :)

I never did see a response about it working for the 4ATs. I'm guessing I should assume that it won't? I'm guessing it will work for those with 6ATs.

Sorry mdw, there is no reason why it wont. I just need to decode the maps in the 4-port calibration, and away we go. Don't give up on me yet!!

Cheers,
Hymee.

Hello Hymee --
You're making me wish I had not moved to your fair city, which forced me to sell my RX-8.

This all is EXACTLY what this community needs. If I can assist in some small way, you know where I am.

Good to hear from you Chas!
Living in a land downunder has been great. Had dinner with Hymee & his family a couple months back, and it is always good to catch up with him.

On that RX-9, it would be quite sweet to have that puppy, and by the time it makes it to these shores I may be in a position to drop some money on one.

Looks like you have been taking good care of the RX-8 brothers & sisters amongst other life excitements, which is good to see. Keep doing what you do best -- helping others achieve their dreams.

So far so good neat concept hopefully it goes through and doesn't get pushed back to a 2010 release date because it is def something I want, I have faith!!!

So far so good neat concept hopefully it goes through and doesn't get pushed back to a 2010 release date because it is def something I want, I have faith!!!

Thanks mate. It is all coming together nicely. I didn't make my pre-release announcement based on smoke. It was based on already having a certain number of very critical boxes ticked. Not to say I don't have LOTS of work to do - but I'm confident.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Hymee are you doing anything with the closed loop mode? Open loop only? Or both.
You may have already spoke on that but I lost my damn bifocals.
olddragger

Remember - we are not rewriting the software (in the PCM) that does the work. This product will give the tuner the ability to change certain operating parameters, with the primary concern on the fuelling and ignition requirements at every load point in the operating range. As far as I can tell (excuse me for not knowing exactly at this point, but I'd rather be up front rather than smoke and mirrors), the fuel and timing maps don't deliniate between open and closed loop. Nor should I think they need to. When the PCM is in open or closed loop mode I believe is a seperate "parameter". When you are in closed loop, the PCM is trying to maintain stoich, and adjusting the fuel trims to achieve this. So the better you get your base tables to the right numbers to achieve stoich (when it needs to be), then the more likelyhood that the trims will stay at zero, or close to that.

I hope that explains things in a edumacational sort of way!

Cheers,
Hymee.

Clear as a bell:) All I can say is I am glad I bought a GPS so i can find my way home.
Hymlee I dont want to bother you as I know you have a ----load of work to do , but a question to others I know are monitoring this thread--how does the pcm know when you are in boost and when you are not? Or does that matter?
olddragger

Clear as a bell:) All I can say is I am glad I bought a GPS so i can find my way home.
Hymlee I dont want to bother you as I know you have a ----load of work to do , but a question to others I know are monitoring this thread--how does the pcm know when you are in boost and when you are not? Or does that matter?
olddragger

It doesn't know the manifold pressure. It just knows mass airflow.
However, the PCM tables are tuned to deliver fuel and spark based on the MAF input as compared to the known Ve of the motor and the other sensor inputs.
If those MAF values go above what is possible at atmospheric pressure, you would just compensate accordingly.

That is why I pay Jeff the big bucks. LOL

Actually - in older systems using a MAP sensor (speed/density), the PCM would need to take into account a number of factors then calculate the mass air flow. In my opinion, MAF's are a good thing - if they are calibrated correctly. It's common practice on V8's to get rid of the MAF and go with a MAF-less tune, but I don't think that is the best way to go.

So I pay Jeff the big buck so I don't need to spend time replying like I just did. Dear me, I'm a lost cause.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Thanks mate. It is all coming together nicely. I didn't make my pre-release announcement based on smoke. It was based on already having a certain number of very critical boxes ticked. Not to say I don't have LOTS of work to do - but I'm confident.

Cheers,
Hymee.

I know for a fact once it hits the market I will be in a line up to buy :D I really can't wait :o

So I pay Jeff the big buck so I don't need to spend time replying like I just did. Dear me, I'm a lost cause.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Now you are REALLY being redundant!

BTW - When can I beta this thing?
BTW2 - Is there a newer release than the 2.0 Beta Scanalyzer?

BTW - When can I beta this thing?
BTW2 - Is there a newer release than the 2.0 Beta Scanalyzer?

I second both issues ;) Or is the new beta going to "replace" the 2.0 sCANanalyser ?

Now you are REALLY being redundant!

BTW - When can I beta this thing?
BTW2 - Is there a newer release than the 2.0 Beta Scanalyzer?

Ditto...

I don't mind buying your current software right now either...

I need something...and they who can deliver first wins my money...

The Aussies seem to have PCM down tho...

Buy the Scanalyzer now, either way. Its pretty awesome.

Buy the Scanalyzer now, either way. Its pretty awesome.

Nice...I'll do just that simply based on your endorsement alone...

So...that said...your snail + Hymee tools = solution?

If so...Hymee has my money...

Well, once the Hymee Flashalyzer becomes available (and it does what we hope it does), yes.

Well, once the Hymee Flashalyzer becomes available (and it does what we hope it does), yes.

SOLD!

Damnit Hymee...get your koala sweat shop into gear dod gamnit...

SOLD!

Damnit Hymee...get your koala sweat shop into gear dod gamnit...

Jeff you have quite the following don't you :P :squint:

Jeff you have quite the following don't you :P :squint:

In a Jim Jones sort of way.

In a Jim Jones sort of way.

When I notice them stop posting praises about you and you mysteriously disappear I will alert the authorities cool?

Only if you see me with a cup of CoolAid in my hand! Did you get my PM?

Only if you see me with a cup of CoolAid in my hand! Did you get my PM?

Yes I did I am writing an essay type reply to you so bear with me :squint: :squint: :squint:

Jeff you have quite the following don't you :P :squint:

Well...seeing how I'm designing a system to work with the beautifully matched snail he has...

And my need for a engine manglement solution...

And his connection to Hymee...

Yea...if you have a fraction of a point of intelligence...you would know good gear and sound advice when you see it...

When I notice them stop posting praises about you and you mysteriously disappear I will alert the authorities cool?

As long as I get my snail...I'm good...haa

Well...seeing how I'm designing a system to work with the beautifully matched snail he has...

And my need for a engine manglement solution...

And his connection to Hymee...

Yea...if you have a fraction of a point of intelligence...you would know good gear and sound advice when you see it...

sometimes connect the dots here is hard.... we are on the same waiting page..:)



beers :beer:

sometimes connect the dots here is hard.... we are on the same waiting page..:)



beers :beer:

And I have yet to take it in for the transmission...

Step 1...ugh...

And I have yet to take it in for the transmission...

Step 1...ugh...

yep me too..

and i have a spare.. and a motor for the fi step

right now.

step one wait..

step two wait some more

step three change mind about what you want

step four see step one

step five oh everyone has a flash now....:lol:

step six shit i was involved in that 2 years ago

step seven buy corvette

step eight work five days a week to do that..

step nine step eight does not fit

step one again :)

beers :beer:

is autotuning just a dream of mine?

-write target lambda (or afr) map, forget about injector pulse times
-pcm monitors wbo2 and compares against said map
-pcm self corrects fuel trim to get to target
-continuously rinse and repeat to account for environmental or other changes

^ it already does that, in closed loop that is...

Hmmm - that would be a nice thing to have...

yep me too..



step seven buy corvette






LoL GG

Hmmm - that would be a nice thing to have...

lol.:rant:

Hmmm - that would be a nice thing to have...

Reminds me...I still have not gotten anyone's logs...

Kane: I'm about to buy Hymee's setup here...are those logs compatible?

Hymee: Any bundle price I can pay you now...get the current package and then be sent the full setup once its released?

Tear-down time is coming and I'm working on a limited time budget...so I need to make some decisions soon and get to work documenting pre-teardown information.

The existing Scanalyzer logs are compatible to an extent since they gang the fuel.

So on your beta use only one injector and set the others to zero - and when you import that logs into that table; you may have to redo the field mapping since I don't have the code to allow you to select them yet.

But it is a just a simple import into a temp table and then copied into the live one - I think you can figure it out.

Hymee you best be working hard on his :\

Hymee you best be working hard on his :\

Harder than most would probably believe. So much so in fact that I didn't even see the last few replies!

As for the questions about upgrades etc...

There is a plan in place to offer an upgrade. Please be aware then sCANalyser Live and sCANalyser Pro Tuner are different functionality, hence different price point products. That said, I'm pretty sure that I'll thow in a copy of Live with Pro Tuner.

Stocks of sCANalyser Live are pretty scarce. Mazdaparts might have some left. I'm not planning on restocking until I gear up for the release sCANalyser Pro Tuner. If those who waited for sCANalyser Live remember, I didn't release it for sale until I had good stocks to fill the infux of orders. I also didn't take anyones money until release date. So I'm guessing the same model will apply here. If I get closer to the release date and people want to get in early, I'll revise my policy on taking pre-order deposits.

My recommendation is that if you are really after this for the tuning capabilities, then wait for sCANalyser Pro Tuner. Unless of course you just can't wait and want Live right now.

Now - let me get on with it... :eyetwitch

Cheers,
Hymee.

Harder than most would probably believe. So much so in fact that I didn't even see the last few replies!

As for the questions about upgrades etc...

There is a plan in place to offer an upgrade. Please be aware then sCANalyser Live and sCANalyser Pro Tuner are different functionality, hence different price point products. That said, I'm pretty sure that I'll thow in a copy of Live with Pro Tuner.

Stocks of sCANalyser Live are pretty scarce. Mazdaparts might have some left. I'm not planning on restocking until I gear up for the release sCANalyser Pro Tuner. If those who waited for sCANalyser Live remember, I didn't release it for sale until I had good stocks to fill the infux of orders. I also didn't take anyones money until release date. So I'm guessing the same model will apply here. If I get closer to the release date and people want to get in early, I'll revise my policy on taking pre-order deposits.

My recommendation is that if you are really after this for the tuning capabilities, then wait for sCANalyser Pro Tuner. Unless of course you just can't wait and want Live right now.

Now - let me get on with it... :eyetwitch

Cheers,
Hymee.

It is good to hear that you are still working hard on this Hymz I can't wait until it comes out because once it does thats when I will be boosting my car :uhh:

I am all for getting on the pre order list with a deposit just so I can reserve a spot for one of these bad boys.

Thanks Mark, that answers the question I asked you the other day.

The goal/plan is to use the existing sCANalyser hardware for the interface. Initial developments have sucessfully reflashed using this method, so that is the basis for the next round of work.

Yes - I'll have an upgrade path for those who have supported sCANalyser to date.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Yay! Love my scanalyzer and this is even better.

ok Im going to go out on a limb and say that Im not the only who has read through all 213 posts, and I can say I am almost completely lost. So someone tell me if i have it right. The racing beat reflash only messed with like one or 2 things on the computer, but this thing that Hymee is making lets you mess with anything you could possibly want

I mean will any of this matter to me if Im like a super newb? I mean I don't have a turbo (atm) or a supercharger, and basically would only be interested in something that increased the HP and was like 1 - 2k in cost, like I was told the racing beat reflash added about 20 HP to the wheel, so would this add more, or am I just completely off base on all of this??? I know im going to get a "search button" but since you guys seemed so excited about it, I figured you wouldn't mind filling me in on the 411 of why this is so exciting, and maybe informing me of my lack of information

I dont' like to be seen to make -ve comments about another's products, especially what I hold them in high regard. So this is purely to answer your question, not bash another's product.

Racing's beats offereing involves you removing your PCM, sending it to them. They open the case, solder on a connector to allow a device to send a pre-packaged, modified "tune-up" to the computer. Then they send it back to you and you put in your car.

My product allows the end user the ability to plug into the underdash connector, and reprogram (tune) certain parameters that I make available, such as fuel, spark, MAF, idle speeds, fan temps etc. You don't even need a screwdriver. If you are not savvy in tuning, you can get an experience tuner to make the changes for you, and to suit your car. I.e. customised.

Then if you add forced induction later, you can re-tune to suite.

Hope that helps! See - no "search button" response from me :)

Cheers,
Hymee.

Ok the question is I guess, are you expecting Major HP gains (20+) over the racing beat flash just by customizing everything to your car, or is it more for the FI guys to get everthything synced up better, If you dont want to tell me cause thats top secret info thats cool, Im just wondering if its gonna be worth it for me since im not FIed right now. btw thanks for answering me, and I hope the Supercharger is coming along nice, and I can afford it =D

I'm not trying to sell "HP in a box". I'm selling an electronic version of what everyone used to be able to do - adjust things. And adjust them to what is best for your car, rather than a one-size fits all approach.

Yes, the primary motivation for me has been towards FI, but this is equally applicable to NA. Lets say the customer wants to do club racing in a class where an aftermarket computer is not allowed, but they are allowed to run on any gasoline they choose. So a one sized fits all tune wont be the best option for them, but one that is customisable is. They can go to the track and put a tune-up in that tips more fuel in and fires the plugs earlier (for instance). And then when they get home and put regular gas in, they can go back to the conservative tune.

Things are getting interesting around here :)

Cheers,
Hymee.

please tell me I will be able to delete my speed limiter with this ........ please !

please tell me I will be able to delete my speed limiter with this ........ please !


That will be one of the easy things :)

hymee,

tire dia?

beers :beer:

so is it out for sale yet??

so is it out for sale yet??

Not yet......... but maybe in the new month or so :o

please tell me I will be able to delete my speed limiter with this ........ please !

But "Un Zed" isn't big enough to get a long enough straight to get there, surely??

Hehehehe.

Cheers,
Hymee.

hymee,

tire dia?

beers :beer:

What - you want me and go and measure mine? The diameter of my rubber is my business. ROFLMAO :D

Cheers,
Hymee.

girth is important..

:)


beers :beer:

Yeah - I was trying to think of a good one liner involving Girth. Since I'm in programming mode, the best I can come up with is:

If (myMember.Privacy == Public)
{
BroadcastBraggingRights(Exagerate(myMember.Girth). ToString());
}
else
{
BroadcastRebuttal("I'll tell you mine if you tell me yours.")
}

Cheers,
Hymee.

so you have girth el grande???? x2!!!

:lol:

get back to work.

beers :beer:

Stop it. Keep your spank bank to yourself.

Yep - I've got my work cut out for me...

Cheers,
Hymee.

But "Un Zed" isn't big enough to get a long enough straight to get there, surely??

Hehehehe.

Cheers,
Hymee.

ah yes - I enjoyed the all day long straight roads of aussie - and the scenery was breathtaking . If you like gum trees ........ hehehe

Hymee, will the sCANalyser Pro Tuner work on the ECUs of RX-8's in other markets/internationally? JDM for example. The Cobb AccessPort is American only, so obviously there is a huge hole for another product.

Hymee, will the sCANalyser Pro Tuner work on the ECUs of RX-8's in other markets/internationally? JDM for example. The Cobb AccessPort is American only, so obviously there is a huge hole for another product.

I'm not going to give away any more secrets, now that I reckon my announcement awoke Cobb from their complacency. The timing is amazingly cooincidental. But there isn't anything I can do about that.

Thanks for the tip anyway!

Cheers,
Hymee.

ummm bump

I voulenteer to beta test!

i called dib

but i dont know what i would be doing so you got it ^^^lol

any word on estimated street price yet hymee? for new and upgrade?

It is 5 AM in Melbourne Australia on Thursday Feb 21st....... Come on Hymee let me see some teaser pics atleast :(

sweett....

Chuck, have you called Pat yet?

i havent talked to her about it yet
she wants to change her plugs, so probably after that

It is 5 AM in Melbourne Australia on Thursday Feb 21st....... Come on Hymee let me see some teaser pics atleast :(

+1 :SHOCKED:

Thx, Sir. You guys have some sort of meet coming up.....maybe something involving Kevin(Clavius)?

i dont think im going to be driving all the way up there. we may be orgainizing something more local

Any news on the supercharger yet? Hymee, I'm telling you, if you can good numbers and a good powerband out of it I'll beat your door to buy one. The new sCANalyser is awesome and all, but I want that hot piece of machinery!

Any news on the supercharger yet? Hymee, I'm telling you, if you can good numbers and a good powerband out of it I'll beat your door to buy one. The new sCANalyser is awesome and all, but I want that hot piece of machinery!

G'day mate.

Both projects are coming together nicely. Very nicely in fact. Probably a little behind as we speeak, in terms of timeframe, but steady as she goes. I'm nervous about letting too much information out since what has transpired since I made "the announcement".

You'll probably end up getting the sCANalyser ProTuner with the S/C anyways :)

Cheers,
Hymee.

Good news Hymee. Myself, and I'm very sure many others, are looking forward to your release and can't wait.

Any bits of info. will of course be greatly appreciated.

Hymee, will you provide a map w/ your software for those of us that allready have the Pettit S/C??

Hymee, will you provide a map w/ your software for those of us that allready have the Pettit S/C??

The sCANalyser ProTuner package will be applicable to Pettit's S/C. Of course, I'll include a "nag messages" saying "should have got the Hymee instead". Just kidding of course!

That said, I'm more interested in providing the best tool to do the tuning, than supplying "maps". People could use this tool to create maps for public distribution, or to sell for profit. There will be a caring/sharing aspect to my offering. But if I just wanted to make a product to put pre-packaged tunes in the car, then I would essentially be selling just another access port, not a professional tuning application.

Cheers,
Hymee.

So time for an update.

I did boldly state in the opening post of this thread that I planned on releasing the sCANalyser ProTuner product in the first week of March, and have my S/C kit installed in my car at the same time. Well it is now the beginning of the first week in March. I still officially have 5 days to go :) That is 15 shifts :lol: :Eyecrazy:

There has been a massive amount of water under the bridge in the last 6 weeks. The software is coming along well, and I'm awaiting some cool new USB based hardware. I hope to have my first units this week. I also have some beta testers lined up in various parts around the world, and I have been saying that I hope to get them there beta release to them this week. Software is easy to distribute, but I have to wait till I get the hardware and do some final tests before I can on-ship them.

If you would like to participate in the beta program, please send me your application and resume' via PM.

As for the blower, I'm waiting on some braketry to mount the FMIC, and then we need to fab the pipework. The rest of it is pretty much ready to install in the car.

What should I concentrate on - getting the blower kit done and installed, or getting the ProTuner beta out???

I'm going to be busy. Believe me, I have been busy beyond belief since I made the announcement. Anyone else like the coincidence surrounding the AP talk being silient for such a long time until I made my announcement? Perhaps I might (should?) get a extra gold star or brownie point for inadvertantly kicking that development on to the benefit of the community :)

To all those ho have been waiting for more details on the ProTuner, I'm sorry that I have been keeping a little mum. After all the flurry of activity with the AP, I realised that the less I leak the better. I have also been negotiating distribution rights in the US / North America, so that has given me reason to keep a little quiet as well. Expect an exciting announcement in the very short term.

Thanks for the support guys! I really appreciate it.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Good man I can't wait, I would beta test for you but I know only the basics of tuning plus I have a N/A AT 4 Port but it is going to FI'd in two months time so I will def be picking up a ProTuner kit and force a certain someone to help me tune it :)

So time for an update.

I did boldly state in the opening post of this thread that I planned on releasing the sCANalyser ProTuner product in the first week of March, and have my S/C kit installed in my car at the same time. Well it is now the beginning of the first week in March. I still officially have 5 days to go :) That is 15 shifts :lol: :Eyecrazy:

There has been a massive amount of water under the bridge in the last 6 weeks. The software is coming along well, and I'm awaiting some cool new USB based hardware. I hope to have my first units this week. I also have some beta testers lined up in various parts around the world, and I have been saying that I hope to get them there beta release to them this week. Software is easy to distribute, but I have to wait till I get the hardware and do some final tests before I can on-ship them.

If you would like to participate in the beta program, please send me your application and resume' via PM.

As for the blower, I'm waiting on some braketry to mount the FMIC, and then we need to fab the pipework. The rest of it is pretty much ready to install in the car.

What should I concentrate on - getting the blower kit done and installed, or getting the ProTuner beta out???

I'm going to be busy. Believe me, I have been busy beyond belief since I made the announcement. Anyone else like the coincidence surrounding the AP talk being silient for such a long time until I made my announcement? Perhaps I might (should?) get a extra gold star or brownie point for inadvertantly kicking that development on to the benefit of the community :)

To all those ho have been waiting for more details on the ProTuner, I'm sorry that I have been keeping a little mum. After all the flurry of activity with the AP, I realised that the less I leak the better. I have also been negotiating distribution rights in the US / North America, so that has given me reason to keep a little quiet as well. Expect an exciting announcement in the very short term.

Thanks for the support guys! I really appreciate it.

Cheers,
Hymee.
Make sure you support develeopment with the vision to think outside borders !

Make sure you support develeopment with the vision to think outside borders !

I think i tried to allude to that when I wrote "There will be a caring/sharing aspect to my offering." in my earlier post.

I've got an idea of for some freeware software that will enhance the development of the RX-8 tuning community. Details to come. :eyetwitch

Please tell me you didn't mean development in an open source sort of way...:uhh:

Cheers,
Hymee.

Sorry mate it was an attempt at a backhander to Cobb. they only support the US market. You are supporting everyone.

Sorry mate it was an attempt at a backhander to Cobb. they only support the US market. You are supporting everyone.

No worries. She's right mate.

Yep - I've even got my first Euro beta tester lined up.:)

Cheers,
Hymee.

So time for an update.

... I also have some beta testers lined up in various parts around the world,
Cheers,
Hymee.

Does that include Europe? that is not covered by Cobb with the AP :)

Euro spec RX8´s are waiting for a flasher like this too !!!

Cheers
jird20

Does that include Europe? that is not covered by Cobb with the AP :)

Euro spec RX8´s are waiting for a flasher like this too !!!

Cheers
jird20

You bet!

Cheers,
Hymee.

Hey Hymee, don't forget the large Asian market and including JDM RX-8s.

Does anyone know why the Cobb only works w/ US market cars??