i hope I am not in trouble talking about this--but I just received Scott's double resonated midpipe and it is a beatiful piece of work. It is not listed on his website yet so no pictures from me. No real description either. Designs have to be protected. i can tell you this--it is nothing like I have yet to see from anyone else and it has "features". Just Take my word for this--it is a beatiful piece of work---i wish it was not so far under the car so that people could see it better.
It is also---ready for this? Quite. Yep that is what i said. Call Mazsport for info--he has ANOTHER winner on his hands.
I have yet to see a vendor that has surpassed the quality of the Mazsport products. Call them if you want a quite, liveable and beatiful midpipe.
I do NOT work for Mazsport! Just like to give credit when it is deserved.
oldscdragger

Er misspelled "quiet" in my 1st post. Sorry about that
OSCD

It is not listed on his website yet so no pictures from me. No real description either. Designs have to be protected.

Uh, okay...

thats what patents are for.

Let me guess, its a pipe with resonators in it? :) Pure rocket science.

Hey man, that's teasing.. that's not cool.

sorry :)

I have AP's only double resonated mid-pipe... Once I told people though, I got b****** at being told "two can't do anything one can't do"

haha.. not you. I'm talking about olddragger.. haha

Are you able to tell us how much it costs?

Since it is not listed--I would rather not.
Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful----there I THINK i have it!LOL
oscd

Is there a reason why Mazsport is not updating their website?

Sounds to me like they could be getting a whole lot more orders placed.

only on this forum would someone be excited about a pipe that sits under the car that no-one sees :)

well you will all be glad to hear that my "secret" is the new Mazsport Dual Resonated midpipe. i received the first one today and threw it on.

how's the sound? make a video clip for us.

looking forward to some pix and prices

how's the sound? make a video clip for us.

i can try this weekend. the sound is a little louder than stock. it is really smooth. going from a raspy midpipe to this one is soooooooo nice.

I don't understand what's so 'special' about a midpipe. Pics!!!!
'features'?? It's a hollow pipe...what kinnda feature are we talking about. Chet: PM me, we gotta talk.

i can try this weekend. the sound is a little louder than stock. it is really smooth. going from a raspy midpipe to this one is soooooooo nice.

Give it up...........let's hear it.........:)

I don't understand what's so 'special' about a midpipe. Pics!!!!
'features'?? It's a hollow pipe...what kinnda feature are we talking about. Chet: PM me, we gotta talk.

Its not just a hollow 3 inch pipe its a double resonator midpipe that keeps the sound down without effecting performance and also made by Mazsport. Mazsport is cutting edge when it comes to the RX8

It is top notch quality. the welds are immaculate. it contains 2 sensor bungs so if you want to run a wideband O2 sensor, you dont have to take your pipe to a shop. the sound is really nice and smooth. it only weighs 19 pounds, and its full 304 stainless steel. it bolted right up perfectly. i give it an A+

well worth the money.

Chetrickerman

Do you notice any performance improvement with the resonated midpipe ? I assume you run the stock rear muffler.

Rexi

glad you got yours. I'm still waiting and I ordered mine only a few days after you did... i'm dieng over here hahah

I was third in line and looks like I found out who #1 was in front of you chet ;(

Chetrickerman

Do you notice any performance improvement with the resonated midpipe ? I assume you run the stock rear muffler.

Rexi

yes i did feel a difference. it is very smooth and nice.

glad you got yours. I'm still waiting and I ordered mine only a few days after you did... i'm dieng over here hahah

I was third in line and looks like I found out who #1 was in front of you chet ;(

i didnt even notice that olddragger got one. it will come. scott wont let you down.

It is top notch quality. the welds are immaculate. it contains 2 sensor bungs so if you want to run a wideband O2 sensor, you dont have to take your pipe to a shop. the sound is really nice and smooth. it only weighs 19 pounds, and its full 304 stainless steel. it bolted right up perfectly. i give it an A+

well worth the money.

that's it, this thing is on my list. :)

it is totally worth it. trust me

I know scott won't let me down, but especially after the day I had and the dealership erasing my racing beat flash I need something to make me not be mad at this car anymore.

hmm might be a good replacement for the rx7store one I have...but I'm debating going high-flow cat...(to avoid the smell =/)

you can get it reflashed from racing beat for half price

hmm might be a good replacement for the rx7store one I have...but I'm debating going high-flow cat...(to avoid the smell =/)

thats what i went from. WAYYYYY better

you can get it reflashed from racing beat for half price

1/2 the price of something I already paid for and then not having a car for another week when I pay for next day shipping both ways hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... I can only hope to god cobb isn't full of shit this time and actually releases their unit this month.

Glad to hear you are happy with the midpipe, I knew going into it the quality would be top notch.

why is a midpipe in the major performance section? It's the same damn thing as all the other midpipe's +1 resonator +1 bung hole... whoopdy f-ing do! Your car must be sooooooooo fast...

weak... weak sauce...

you shouldnt have had the dealer flash your car.

why is a midpipe in the major performance section? It's the same damn thing as all the other midpipe's +1 resonator +1 bung hole... whoopdy f-ing do! Your car must be sooooooooo fast...

weak... weak sauce...

your just pissed cause your dual resonated midpipe isnt special anymore

I didn't have my dealer flash my car, do you think I'm retarded? I actually told them 5 times in advance including the service manager not to do it... they did it... then denied doing it after the fact to this point still. I only brought it in to check my coils, they told me they had a new flash available and I told them I wanted nothing to do with it... Please don't make stupid comments like that I've had a bad enough day as it is and it has nothing to do with this product.

Ive read some threads on here about emission odor getting into the cabin having a midpipe on our vehicle. I would like to get this but dont want the smell. Anyone?

hey, take it easy. i stay right with my car whenever i take it to the dealer. i dont trust anyone with my car.

Ive read some threads on here about emission odor getting into the cabin having a midpipe on our vehicle. I would like to get this but dont want the smell. Anyone?

get a high flow cat.

heh...I might do high flow cat...

Is anyone using a high flow cat with boost? I read (somewhere) the pettit supercharger works with a high flow cat without risk of destroying the cat (not sure if that is accurate or not)

Like I keep saying -

.......the best midpipe is FREE - the stock one without the catalyst material.

Double resonated - WAY thicker steel than any aftermarket, so no 'ping' sounds - heat shielded, so less cabin heat - and did I mention, IT'S FREE!

...whatever.

SThe problem with that is some of us live in an area that requires emissions testing. If we gut our cat we have nothing to fall back on. With a mid pipe, we can just swap in the cat and reset the ecu when it comes time to go in for testing again.

I don't understand what's so 'special' about a midpipe. Pics!!!!
'features'?? It's a hollow pipe...what kinnda feature are we talking about. Chet: PM me, we gotta talk.

Because it has special features.... like disabling the resonators to make more noise and power when your on the track.

Like I keep saying -

.......the best midpipe is FREE - the stock one without the catalyst material.

Double resonated - WAY thicker steel than any aftermarket, so no 'ping' sounds - heat shielded, so less cabin heat - and did I mention, IT'S FREE!

...whatever.

S


Well you could do it like in Old School. Get flexible corrugated A/C & Heating pipe and make one your self. NO weight. But FAST!

Because it has special features.... like disabling the resonators to make more noise and power when your on the track.

Are you saying that it has electric exhaust dump valves?

It would be so cool to have them vacuum operated like wastegates. :Eyecrazy:

Are you saying that it has electric exhaust dump valves?

It would be so cool to have them vacuum operated like wastegates. :Eyecrazy:

I'm pretty sure Razz is just being facetious. This midpipe has no valves in it.

I don't think that would be very cool. It would just add more weight and complication to a part that doesn't need it.

yes, that would be stupid

who are they using for their resonators, borla?

What are they packed with? Or are they packed at all?

I don't understand what is the big deal with this?
so much talk over a test pipe LOL double resonated or not, who cares? It'll still stink without cat.

your just pissed cause your dual resonated midpipe isnt special anymore

stop reading my mind!!!! Ya, I'm envious...

who are they using for their resonators, borla?

What are they packed with? Or are they packed at all?

you will see. i have pics but scott asked me not to post them. he will

stop reading my mind!!!! Ya, I'm envious...

oops. my bad. i do that sometimes :lol2:

The problem with that is some of us live in an area that requires emissions testing. If we gut our cat we have nothing to fall back on. With a mid pipe, we can just swap in the cat and reset the ecu when it comes time to go in for testing again.

Come on Al, surely the dealership let you hold onto one of the numerous cats you've burned out to date...:lol:

someone post up a pic of this bad boy - f**k the politics !

yeah, you guys are talking about this thing like it's God's gift to the RX-8 community yet there NO pics and very few details.

My thoughts: If scott sold it to FORUM MEMBERS, he surely must have known that pictures would be posted.

^For real,

all talk and no pictures makes Juice a dull boy.

Yeah, I am really annoyed with all this secretive B.S.

The secret should be over once people start buying them.

yea the secret is a lil much, but might as well wait until scott wants to announce it. it's not like scott wanted people to start this thread.

The thread was started by me in response to my discovering an impressive product for those that are interested in such things. The pipe is not a "secret", all you have to do is to call Mazsport.
Good product designs have a way of being copied and out of respect for Scott and his work I will not post a picture to satisfy someone curiosity.
If someone is that curious it doesnt take much effort to dial a 800 # .
oscd

thats what i went from. WAYYYYY better

Did you have our resonated pipe? If you didint I could have welded in a couple of resonaters for $50.

I have never seen people get so excited about a straight pipe with resonators in it.

I do not think poeple are getting excited about Mazsports Double Resonated Mid-Pipe. I think they are excited to see it. I would like to see a Resonated High Flow Cat that will not set off the CEL. So i can stay emissions legal here in NJ.

I think the excitment is about the possibility of a midpipe that allows use of catback exhaust within reasonable and also perhaps legal sound db limits. If the workmanship is good and $$ good it could be a big seller.

If it is not a patentable then saying it's for sale, but not advertising and showing the product to other potential customers here on the forum is either shooting oneself in the foot or extra clever marketing to get viral attention, take your pick.

The thread was started by me in response to my discovering an impressive product for those that are interested in such things. The pipe is not a "secret", all you have to do is to call Mazsport.
Good product designs have a way of being copied and out of respect for Scott and his work I will not post a picture to satisfy someone curiosity.
If someone is that curious it doesnt take much effort to dial a 800 # .
oscd

Then why start the thread? Seems stupid to me.

Well I suppose the cat's out of the bag on this one.

I have not released the product yet which is the reason for a lack of photos, I guess the excitement is too much for some folks. :)

I will say it's very quiet, very lightweight and of course looks the part as well. It has enabled some of the testers to actually use their cell phones again! Construction is as with all Mazsport products from high quality materials.

We will be releasing it the first of this week and appreciate your interest.

Well I suppose the cat's out of the bag on this one.

I have not released the product yet which is the reason for a lack of photos, I guess the excitement is too much for some folks. :)

I will say it's very quiet, very lightweight and of course looks the part as well. It has enabled some of the testers to actually use their cell phones again! Construction is as with all Mazsport products from high quality materials.

We will be releasing it the first of this week and appreciate your interest.

i am flying back into tampa monday. i could take some photos for you... :)

beers :beer:

i'll take it that this is quite similar to the Rotary Engineering mid-section of old? ... adjusted for the 2008 "tech-driven, bling-generation", of course ...

It has enabled some of the testers to actually use their cell phones again!
pussies! booooo! :)

seriously though, it sounds like a good product. outsiders may get lost in the loyalty of your following, but even reading between the lines, it sounds like a good product. i guess my only questions are:

(1) we've heard how quiet it is, but how much aggression shines through? i mean, i guess i'm beyond my younger days where loud was fine, but i do love aggression - and that won't change - even if i'm driving for "another" 20 years. i don't give a crap about the attention ... it's just a part of me. Ferrari 308s, Lambo Miuras, track-driven 911s, VWs ... i need some sound!!!

(2) compatibility with other rear sections or are they all the same? i ask because i'm in the transition between Turbo XS and Exotic Speed ... also considering JIC.

thanks.

I have a double resonated agency power mid pipe as well, it is really nice looking and even after driving with it for 10k miles it still looks really nice, no fading or anything. The only thing is it sounds like a scene from Texas Chain Saw Massacre! It makes me feel like I have something in common with the high school kids with 5 inch tip on their 109 hp 1996 Honda Civic DX!

Is this new Mazsport supposed to sound a lot better than this?

For a warranty repair I reinstalled my stock cats but left the agency power mufflers on and my car sounds great now. It sounds similar to the exhaust note of a porche 911 turbo, but I miss the faster reving of a free flowing Rotary. If your midpipe sounds even close to mine right now I'll take one. It will be the perfect median of sporty sound with performance without being obnoxious.

info. is suppose to be up today on the site correct? I cant seem to find it........ any updates scott??

This thread is useless with out Pictures

hi scott... expect a call tomorrow, hope our schedules don't conflict again.

to everyone anxious about info, sit tight- they have a ton going on down there as it is...

I wonder a few things; 1) If the two resonators being used are designed to cancel out different center frequencies. 2) If the midship pipe hanger is used. My old-ass midpipe doesn't have one. 3) If the pipe is a true 3" that requires either a larger braided gasket or the factory unit to be stretched like I did with mine.

Anybody able to answer these queries?

I wonder a few things; 1) If the two resonators being used are designed to cancel out different center frequencies.

have not seen, but did drop by the shop today.. no one home..

they were working on some other things outside the shop.. thx for the return call betsy. :)

but i would go with ding, ding, ding. on the concept..


beers :beer:

If they are, the use of dual silencers does not reduce the airflow potential while it does cancel out the annoying(to some) frequencies.

If they are, the use of dual silencers does not reduce the airflow potential while it does cancel out the annoying(to some) frequencies.

The Agency Power 3" one doesn't seem to cancel out any frequencies if it is canceling out any then I couldn't imagine the annoying sound my car would make if it didn't have the 2 resonators. Did I mention how annoying my car sounds?

My AP midpipe bolts right in without and difference in couplings or flanges. When swapping the stock cat pipe back in everything was the same including the bolts used, we even used the same gaskets because its just temporary.

The agency power full exhaust did give me 12.5 RWHP and if this Mazsport one sounds better and performs the same or better that would be great.

In the Mazsport section, there was a thread started about this product about 2 weeks ago. A link to a YouTube video, was provided, that had a fly-by of a car with the midpipe on it. It sounded quite nice. There is no way to tell how loud it was, from the vid, without a comparison. The thread was deleted and the video is nolonger available.

The Agency Power 3" one doesn't seem to cancel out any frequencies if it is canceling out any then I couldn't imagine the annoying sound my car would make if it didn't have the 2 resonators. Did I mention how annoying my car sounds?

My AP midpipe bolts right in without and difference in couplings or flanges. When swapping the stock cat pipe back in everything was the same including the bolts used, we even used the same gaskets because its just temporary.

The agency power full exhaust did give me 12.5 RWHP and if this Mazsport one sounds better and performs the same or better that would be great.

When I last saw the Agency Power, it was just resonance chambers, they were not packed with anything.

I surmise that the Mazsport ones are packed with stainless scrub or something of the like.

Through I do have a straight pipe, and I can say it is definitely louder than the agency power. Yet the muffler itself has stuff to do with noise as well.

Did you have our resonated pipe? If you didint I could have welded in a couple of resonaters for $50.

I have never seen people get so excited about a straight pipe with resonators in it.

yes i did. the quality of your product was verry nice, dont get me wrong. but the sound wasnt pleasing.

yeah, you guys are talking about this thing like it's God's gift to the RX-8 community yet there NO pics and very few details.

My thoughts: If scott sold it to FORUM MEMBERS, he surely must have known that pictures would be posted.

i have pictures, but scott asked me not to post them. you can PM me if you like

yes i did. the quality of your product was verry nice, dont get me wrong. but the sound wasnt pleasing.

it all depends on the resonators used and how much a person wants to spend.

hollow $40 resonance chamber < $60 3.5" fiberglass pack < $80 4.5" stainless pack < $250 Burns stainless pack :)

im not sure that they are packed at all from what i could see when i looked down the pipe. but the sound is amazing. no rasp at all

No pics yet?:uhh:

they are coming. scott told me they were.

thread is useless without pics :)

they are coming. be :cool:

is this it? been checking their site and didnt see this last time I looked...

http://www.mazsport.net/store/index.php?l=product_detail&p=45

looks nice... it looks very nice.... maybe a bit over-hyped but seeing as the important thing is going to be the sound I'm still interested.

what are your questions about the sound?

How much horse power did it make and why 2 cats did people complain that much about noise ?

the same as any other midpipe.

the same as any other midpipe.



Not really there 2 in this one not sure if thats a good thing as Im sure that second res.must of taken some hp from this unit.

it's 2 resonators if I'm reading correctly... not a catalyst.

As for the sound, different pipes will have different sounds, more so than just louder or quieter... there are different tones. I'm guessing it doesnt pass emissions which is somewhat important but I could sacrifice that.... but also considering the HKS hi-power cat back which I think might be a bit loud paired with my RP supercat.... but I do kinda have hopes that the resonated supercat wouldnt be too loud paired witht he HKS... I currently have the RB dual which isnt too loud so even a little louder wouldnt bother me.

Either way, this is a nice looking product, and since it's from mazsport I'm sure it's top notch.

:( i thought i got a prerelease special price on mine since I ordered it so far in advance. All you get the same damn price I paid for it, shenanigans I do declare!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey Guys,
I thought you would like to know we have posted our dual resonated midpipe on our website and it is now for sale! We appreciate your interest and the opportunity for your business, Scott

I have a question... what are the resonators packed with i.e., choices I guess being fiberglass pack, stainless pack or Burns stainless pack , or something else as I'm no expert here?

Also will these internal materials be up to withstanding the RB race flash heat without breaking up?

Thanks.

Not really there 2 in this one not sure if thats a good thing as Im sure that second res.must of taken some hp from this unit.

resonators dont limit the airflow. they only change the resonace of it. it still flows the same amount of air, just in a different way to cancel out the annoying sounds.

I have a question... what are the resonators packed with i.e., choices I guess being fiberglass pack, stainless pack or Burns stainless pack , or something else as I'm no expert here?

Also will these internal materials be up to withstanding the RB race flash heat without breaking up?

Thanks.

stainless packed

We have run them on Interceptor-X N/A cars for several months with very good success. The unit is 100% stainless including the resonator packing.

:( i thought i got a prerelease special price on mine since I ordered it so far in advance. All you get the same damn price I paid for it, shenanigans I do declare!!!!!!!!!!!
pm sent

now you can all go about quietly polluting the world ...

damn straight

damn straight pipe!

haha, good one.

the resonators in their picture looks familiar... good 'ol racing beat presilencers

well mazsport is an authorized racing beat dealer, soo they could have just used those.

Anybody have one installed with the Racing Beat REV8 exhaust? Curious as to what the exhaust note sounds like.

doubtful. only 3 people have it including myself

now you can all go about quietly polluting the world ...

All the hot air you spew has more to do with global warming than my midpipe. :icon_no2:

470 bucks? I'll pass.

Anybody have one installed with the Racing Beat REV8 exhaust? Curious as to what the exhaust note sounds like.

I do.

All the hot air you spew has more to do with global warming than my midpipe. :icon_no2:

WRT RX-8 NA performance I've accomplished more than most anyone else here, and being emissions friendly in the process.

Kind of funny that some irresponsible punk claims that I'm the one spewing hot air :lol2:

There's no skill in talking trash. FWIW, the cat I used will support up to 400 hp. I haven't seen too many Renesis applications exceeding that. I wouldn't expect guys like you who spend thousands on wheels , turbos, etc. to invest $700 for a cat converter, typical.

I hate Mazsport prices, $470 for a mid pipe?:nono:

I hate Mazsport prices, $470 for a mid pipe?:nono:

I have melted/destroyed every other midpipe I have used. This one is holding up nicely.

I melted the packing on ones with resonators and got a nice rattle from them. The other ones made my car for too loud to be tolerable. Then there was the one that didn't fit right and shot fumes up into my car. Then there was one that I was told would scrape as it went over instead of around my diff.

You get what you pay for. You think it would be better for me to buy 3 midpipes that didn't/don't work or 1 mazsport that does?

^ what he said sums it up

WRT RX-8 NA performance I've accomplished more than most anyone else here, and being emissions friendly in the process.
You have accomplished a lot NA.

Kind of funny that some irresponsible punk claims that I'm the one spewing hot air :lol2:
It was a reference to the fact that you don't polute (hot air) and that I don't believe in Global warming. :dunno:

There's no skill in talking trash. FWIW, the cat I used will support up to 400 hp. I haven't seen too many Renesis applications exceeding that. I wouldn't expect guys like you who spend thousands on wheels , turbos, etc. to invest $700 for a cat converter, typical.
Not talking trash. Didn't mean to come off that way. I have 2 cats in my garage right now. The OEM and an aftermarket. I also have a resinated midpipe. I can switch between any one of them at any time. Plus I only drive my car about 5K a year. So I did and continue to spend the money on a cat converters.

There's no skill in talking trash. FWIW, the cat I used will support up to 400 hp. I haven't seen too many Renesis applications exceeding that. I wouldn't expect guys like you who spend thousands on wheels , turbos, etc. to invest $700 for a cat converter, typical.

Team,

I dont know what CAT you are using, but I have been through, Random, Stock, Steelcat, Bonez, and whatever Rotary Performance down in TX uses. Not one of them survived except the stock, which I removed before doing anything crazy to the car.

Actually both the guy who sold me the Random and the guy who sold me the Steelcat had to buy me lunch when they melted into doo doo.

Slave

HJS (I believe) - Billy Boat is the US dealer. You'll have to get it welded on a midpipe.

Team,

I dont know what CAT you are using, but I have been through, Random, Stock, Steelcat, Bonez, and whatever Rotary Performance down in TX uses. Not one of them survived except the stock, which I removed before doing anything crazy to the car.

Actually both the guy who sold me the Random and the guy who sold me the Steelcat had to buy me lunch when they melted into doo doo.

Slave

These have all been cats with metallic substrate cores? Because I've been told by some FD owners that metallic substrate cores work just don't get ceramic =/ Unless if the renesis gets hotter boosted than a 13b-rew does....

HJS (I believe) - Billy Boat is the US dealer. You'll have to get it welded on a midpipe.


funny.

that pm went out at the same time as you posted...

beers :beer:

Funny...I can't find a price on the HJS cat...but I found a website with horrible english that I managed to make out 100cpi racing cat but it didn't mention anything to do with emission compliance...

Funny...I can't find a price on the HJS cat...but I found a website with horrible english that I managed to make out 100cpi racing cat but it didn't mention anything to do with emission compliance...

that is not the one..

beers :beer:

I do.

How would you compare the exhaust note to that of the RP Supercat / RB Rev8 to your current setup? I want to go quieter and have a lower sound bite. Lunch is on me if you make it to Aberdeen one day :rolleyes:

We posted a driveby video on our website Mazsport.net. This unit had been on the vehicle for about 4 months during testing. Thanks for the interest, Scott

sounds fantastic, can't wait to have mine installed.

I like to hear this midpipe coupled up to the single exhausts made by HKS and Racing Beat, but I'm sure nobody has this setup yet. What note do you think that will produce? I'm not worried about performance gains, I just want the most flow at the lowest exhaust note, and to do it as quiet as I can.

Wow $470 is what is listed on their site.

if only they had a reasonably quiet high flow cat option... emissions legal + performance would be quite popular as well I think.

if only they had a reasonably quiet high flow cat option... emissions legal + performance would be quite popular as well I think.

Best of luck getting anything but a non-stock cat that is legal for use on your car... or finding a cat that will survive the rotary.

a responsible illegality trumps an irresponsible illegality any day

I have melted/destroyed every other midpipe I have used. This one is holding up nicely.

I melted the packing on ones with resonators and got a nice rattle from them. The other ones made my car for too loud to be tolerable. Then there was the one that didn't fit right and shot fumes up into my car. Then there was one that I was told would scrape as it went over instead of around my diff.

You get what you pay for. You think it would be better for me to buy 3 midpipes that didn't/don't work or 1 mazsport that does?

Did you try the Racing Beat?

It is possible that Mazsport chopped up a RB midpipe, added 2 RB resonators, welded it up and that has become the Mazsport midpipe.

Did you try the Racing Beat?

TDL.... Too damn loud, but I never used it myself.

It is possible that Mazsport chopped up a RB midpipe, added 2 RB resonators, welded it up and that has become the Mazsport midpipe.

No it is not. Take a look when the pics get posted. There are quite a few little details that make it a world apart if you know how to work with metal.

It is possible that Mazsport chopped up a RB midpipe, added 2 RB resonators, welded it up and that has become the Mazsport midpipe.

You got it. ding, ding, ding, ding :eyetwitch

Well if Mazsport is using 2 high quality resonators then $470 is pretty reasonable for the package. You have to think that good resonators sell for at least $100 each.

For someone interested in getting their first midpipe this is a good option.

I am not seeing why this is $470 though.

This has to be one of the most expensive mid pipes I have ever seen.

normal midpipe = $250

Resonators(at cost) = $50-$60 x 2 = $100

$250 + $100 =

$350


$470-$350 = ~$120 = ~1 shop hour of welding.

$470!

I am not seeing why this is $470 though.

This has to be one of the most expensive mid pipes I have ever seen.

RB RX-8 Catalytic Converter Replacement Pipe $239
RB Power Pulse Presilencer-Large 3-Inch ID - 304 Stainless Steel $94
RB Power Pulse Presilencer-Medium 3-Inch ID - 304 Stainless Steel $88
Total: $ 421 +welding
Thats retail price. Mazsport would get a discount as a distributer.

I guess I see your point but what seems like a better model?

Sell 20 for $470 = $9400

or

Sell 50 for $300 = $15,000

Also, I dont see welding costing $120 in labor time. Welding is pretty easy to do, even if you need to get nice and even beads.

normal midpipe = $250

Resonators(at cost) = $50-$60 x 2 = $100

$250 + $100 =

$350


$470-$350 = ~$120 = ~1 shop hour of welding.

$470!

I guess I see your point but what seems like a better model?

Sell 20 for $470 = $9400

or

Sell 50 for $300 = $15,000

Also, I dont see welding costing $120 in labor time. Welding is pretty easy to do, even if you need to get nice and even beads.There are at least half a dozen companies out there that sell plain pipes. There is nothing to them. You look for the lowest price. Dealer margins are small.
Mazsport is the only one that sells one that will quiet the exhaust and will stand up to the heat.

It is possible that Mazsport chopped up a RB midpipe, added 2 RB resonators, welded it up and that has become the Mazsport midpipe.
No, it is without a doubt our own design.

There are at least half a dozen companies out there that sell plain pipes. Mazsport is the only one that sells one that will quiet the exhaust and will stand up to the heat.
Ding, Ding, Ding we have a winner!

You guys are arguing different things. A midpipe is just a straight pipe that is not going to be affected by heat. A resonated midpipe is just a pipe with a resonator in it. We use magnaflow resonators on our RX-7 midpipes and never had an issue with one. The reason for the high price on the Mazsport pipe is because of two resonators in it. You could cut cost and get away with one and not change the tone of the exhaust much.

Actually we build both, there is a noticeable difference in volume and tone.

I guess I see your point but what seems like a better model?

Sell 20 for $470 = $9400

or

Sell 50 for $300 = $15,000

Also, I dont see welding costing $120 in labor time. Welding is pretty easy to do, even if you need to get nice and even beads.


Economics isn't quite this simple. In your example, selling 20 for $9,400 might give more profit than 50 for $15,000! Total revenue doesn't mean much.

Economics isn't quite this simple. In your example, selling 20 for $9,400 might give more profit than 50 for $15,000! Total revenue doesn't mean much.

I do agree to some extent, but at the same time if your buying supplies in a larger quantity you have more of a reason to ask for better pricing from the supplier you are purchasing from and are more likely to recieve a better price.

Okay. When and where can I get this thing?

I do agree to some extent, but at the same time if your buying supplies in a larger quantity you have more of a reason to ask for better pricing from the supplier you are purchasing from and are more likely to recieve a better price.

not THAT much better

Okay. When and where can I get this thing?Mazsport.net

Is there a reason why Mazsport is not updating their website?

Sounds to me like they could be getting a whole lot more orders placed.

Its 150$ and made of Pt. Thats why every one is on the hush.

im still waiting for mine, this is killin me hahaha I WANT IT!!!

It looks like a nice piece. I almost bought one at the prerelease price but I couldn't pass up the sweet deal my best friend offered me on a FC. Last week I bought a 91 RX7 and Camden SC for $1700...I think I made the right choice.

Maybe I'll get one later on.

Scott, I just want to say thank you for making an absolutely flawless piece. I only wish all other companies would put in the attention to detail and quality of work that you do in your products. This was worth the wait, and you have gained a customer for the long haul.

-Jim

I know with a midpipe you're going to smell something. But how bad is it with Mazsport's pipe? Just want an idea cause if it's wife/girlfriend and mom tolerable, than this is my next pipe. I currently have a hi-flo with a Borla and IT'S LOUD. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S COLD OUT!!!!

It isn't as bad as my friend who had an unreasonated RX7 store midpipe on his is.

Drove around a bit today, the car is very tolerable at normal cruising speeds even with my HKS hi power on. Only time it's a bit loud is just getting going, but I think the exhaust I use has more to do with it than the pipe. The car sounds great now. Car feels fantastic at high rpms also.

Anyone got a Corksport Exhaust hooked up to one of the things? What's it like?

Scott, I just want to say thank you for making an absolutely flawless piece. I only wish all other companies would put in the attention to detail and quality of work that you do in your products. This was worth the wait, and you have gained a customer for the long haul.

-Jim
Thanks I appreciate your feedback Jim.

We try very hard at Mazsport to build better products for the RX-8, glad to hear the extra effort makes you notice the difference.

Scott

inside joke but i am so jealous!
oscd

I know with a midpipe you're going to smell something. But how bad is it with Mazsport's pipe? Just want an idea cause if it's wife/girlfriend and mom tolerable, than this is my next pipe. I currently have a hi-flo with a Borla and IT'S LOUD. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S COLD OUT!!!!

Every midpipe is going to have the same smell since it doesn't filter the exhaust at all

You have a wife and a girlfriend? :lol2:

Actually my fiancee, but you got me (getting married in Chiang Mai, Thailand 3/20!!!!).

So it's still the same smell, eh? Any ideas on air fresheners to nutralize the "who farted sulfur" smell? (hehehehe)

Haha nice. I still think the other way would have been more interesting. Congrats thou ;)

For the smell - while you're driving you obviously won't smell anything and if you have the air on recirculate you shouldn't die at stop lights. What really killed the idea of a midpipe for me is the thought of sitting in my driveway in the morning, or at the office in the evening, warming up the car. I wouldn't last a week cos my neighbors/coworkers would strangle me...

Anybody have one installed with the Racing Beat REV8 exhaust? Curious as to what the exhaust note sounds like.

I do.

And....:squint:

And....:squint:

It sounds great. Almost silent at idle, but when you get on it, it is a nice deep throaty tone. I love it.

need to post some videos of WOT.

The video's mazsport has are of cruising - so it shows how there's zero drone, but not how much muffling is done at higher rpm ranges. Having some exhaust sound is desirable.

I dunno if my car is going to be the best example. My turbo silences things a bit anyways. Anyone offering to be a camera man? Maybe at the next autobacs meet.

I can get a video, but I have the HKS single ;)

It sounds great. Almost silent at idle, but when you get on it, it is a nice deep throaty tone. I love it.

:p: Thanks for posting - hmmm, need to think about this one, lots of money here.

revving at idle with HKS hi power

http://s269.photobucket.com/albums/jj50/redefinerx8/?action=view&current=rx1.flv

thats pretty good. the hks hi power can even make a turbo car too friggin' loud. So if it makes hi-power quiet enough to not make me want to rip my ears off my face, then it should work for anything.

It's really not that bad. Like I said, first and second gear during normal driving are DEFINITELY LOUD, but other than that no complaints. I love the tone of the exhaust.

will this bolt up to the turboxs exhaust? I know the turboxs has larger than OEM flanges, but would this really be that big of a problem?

has anyone installed this with a turboxs unit? Solve the exceptional raspy loudness?

will this bolt up to the turboxs exhaust? I know the turboxs has larger than OEM flanges, but would this really be that big of a problem?

has anyone installed this with a turboxs unit? Solve the exceptional raspy loudness?

yea i would like to know that as well. i have the turboxs catback and midpipe right now and its wayy too loud.

will this bolt up to the turboxs exhaust? I know the turboxs has larger than OEM flanges, but would this really be that big of a problem?

has anyone installed this with a turboxs unit? Solve the exceptional raspy loudness?

We have installed our midpipe with the turboxs catback in the shop and the flanges are compatible.
There is a significant reduction in volume and the raspyness will turn to a much deeper tone as well.

It's really not that bad. Like I said, first and second gear during normal driving are DEFINITELY LOUD, but other than that no complaints. I love the tone of the exhaust.

Does it drone at 80 mph in 6th gear? (4-5K)

it's not that bad. It's not silent, but it's certainly bearable. Slow uphills re the one thing that kills me, damn it drones. I'll try to take a few while driving videos so you guys can judge for yourselves how one of the loudest exhausts on the market sounds with thie midpipe.

dang this thread dropped off the radar.. Has anyone else purchased this product?

Yes - just waiting for my tracking and delivery.

^ Same here. Waiting on the igniton system to.

have they actually shipped any, or in any number - might be the problem, duno.

Yes - just waiting for my tracking and delivery.

You have the RB exhaust right? If possible, post clips when you install it. I'm interested how it will sound with that exhaust.

Does anyone have it with the GReddy exhaust?

^ No prob - in fact, I'm modifying my REV8 slightly to downward firing tips. That should not change the sound much, but it will be directed at the road rather straight back.

Does the midpipe come with all the gaskets and hardware? In case my monkey hands breaks a bolt like last time...

So for those of you who have installed it since the initial review, what are your impressions?

You have the RB exhaust right? If possible, post clips when you install it. I'm interested how it will sound with that exhaust.

Does anyone have it with the GReddy exhaust?

I have two exhausts I will vid once I quit dreaming... Both RB :p:

Hey Guys,

Wanted to let everyone know we did a LARGE build run of midpipes this week, expect phone calls early in the week!

Thanks Guys, Scott

Does the midpipe come with front and rear gaskets?

Does the midpipe come with front and rear gaskets?

yes,

and they are very, very nice. i saw them yesterday.. kev i might have seen your pipe also..

beers :beer:

I'm almost debating selling mine, my girlfriend HATES the smell (doesn't really bother me) and getting up to speed in city conditions ( light throttle in 1st and 2nd gear ) still has cops kind of staring at me.

I personally still love it for the quality it is, the nice huge flame that shoots from my HKS hi-power, and the great sound quality. I'm just dreading being pulled over constantly again as I used to back in my Type R days... Once it warms up for good and cops are out in full force again I'll know for sure if I'm going to keep it or not, hopefully I don't get bothered too much.

The cops are staring at you with the Mazsport pipe? This pipe is quiet as Hell! Where do you live, in an old-folks community?:)

The cops are staring at you with the Mazsport pipe? This pipe is quiet as Hell! Where do you live, in an old-folks community?:)

I definately agree with you on that one. My wife doesn't even mind the sound of my car anymore.

The HKS hi power doesn't help my cause. In albany, NY if your car makes ANY excess noise you are pulled over stat. It's a bit ridiculous.

So, James, Albany=old people(or CA). Plain and simple.:lol2:
It's time for you guys to fight back and keep sound-pressure meters in your cars and copies of the state laws regarding exhaust sound.

I know!! Old people, and ghetto tuned 1990 accords on 19s!!!

As I said before, I personally still love the midpipe. Maybe I should get a turbo to quiet it down a bit?

Now THAT is a solution everyone will be happy with.

btw, i have put 3000 miles on the midpipe, and it still sounds as good as the day i got it.

yes,

and they are very, very nice. i saw them yesterday..



Thanks - been asking that one for awhile.

kev i might have seen your pipe also..

beers :beer:


:SHOCKED:

You mean there really is one? LOL - thanks :D:

Monday bump for delivery notices... Anybody get one yet?

Not yet, still waiting on mine. Anticipation is killing me!!

its worth the wait.

Any chance you can post up some sound/video clips? Or anyone else that has this installed....

http://www.mazsport.net/multimediadualdriveby.htm

Any chance you can post up some sound/video clips? Or anyone else that has this installed....

my the format my phone records in isnt recognized by my computer.

plus charles posted the link.

Thankx for that. I didnt know it was available.

I have AP's only double resonated mid-pipe... Once I told people though, I got b****** at being told "two can't do anything one can't do"

u said 'Only" well i got the AP kit with the midpipe and exhaust. so u not the only one. but hell i love it, i might get guys in aston PA to make we a straight pipe. i love noise. i a real A$$ whole.

no ducttape, keef has the only one with a "DUAL RESONATED MIDPIPE", yours has only one resonator. The dual was never mass produced.

I received a tracking number! They are back up and running!

hope you're ready for a dissapointingly easy installation!

Scott made it so you don't have to make it an adventure. I like adventures :( hahaha

it is really easy to install. the gaskets are nice.

hey redifined. i pretty sure i got double. like not 100% when i got it in the mail n installed it had 2 bulges that appear to me as a double rez. but i orderd through sport compact only. but hell i could care less 1 or 2. i frikn love it

I received a tracking number! They are back up and running!

You lucky bastard. When did you order yours?

You lucky bastard. When did you order yours?

02/13

Multiple units shipping guys! Check your email for tracking #'s

LOL - you need to get back in bed Scott - it's past midnight there!

Thanks man for shipping mine BTW

Arrived Saturday

:D:

Nice! When are you going to install it?

I'm sure you will love it!

So did anyone install this with a turboxs yet? Im looking for a sound clip possibly. Have the catback but the midpipe was too loud for me.

Nice! When are you going to install it?

Hopefully on Tuesday - can't do it tonight for obvious reasons...

So did anyone install this with a turboxs yet? Im looking for a sound clip possibly. Have the catback but the midpipe was too loud for me.

I am in the same situation as you are. There has only been one sound clip so far posted by Mazsport, so I am hoping that a few more people can post up additional sound clips.

i posted a clip of the mazsport with the HKS hi power in this thread...

6 weeks in - got the beautiful midpipe today - but without gaskets - so still no further ahead than before... :icon_no2: talk about bumed out...

Mine were in a plastic bag tapped to the midpipe bubble wrap.

mine came in a seperate package.

Mine will be shipped separately when they come back into stock (unknown timeframe)...

I installed the midpipe today, and here are my concerns:


1) I have a clearance issue with the rear resonator hitting the OEM cross brace. This will generate a rattle and also wear a hole in the resonator. I think I will just add shims between the brace and the car's frame. Do you see that fix to be an answer?


2) I have a clearance issue with the rear resonator close to this shield. Might rattle here also one day.


3) Not sure about how to use the middle bung, it seems to high. It might have been rotated down 10-15 degrees, then it would be no problem. I'm not using a wideband currently, so this can be changed later buy just drilling in a new bung maybe.


4) I notice that you do not re-use the donut gasket between the midpipe and the exhaust connecting pipe. Not using one means that there is no flexible joint in the entire system. Do you have a 3" donut for me to use? If not where can I buy one?


Any suggestions?

I installed the midpipe today, and here are my concerns:


1) I have a clearance issue with the rear resonator hitting the OEM cross brace. This will generate a rattle and also wear a hole in the resonator. I think I will just add shims between the brace and the car's frame. Do you see that fix to be an answer?


2) I have a clearance issue with the rear resonator close to this shield. Might rattle here also one day.


3) Not sure about how to use the middle bung, it seems to high. It might have been rotated down 10-15 degrees, then it would be no problem. I'm not using a wideband currently, so this can be changed later buy just drilling in a new bung maybe.


4) I notice that you do not re-use the donut gasket between the midpipe and the exhaust connecting pipe. Not using one means that there is no flexible joint in the entire system. Do you have a 3" donut for me to use? If not where can I buy one?


Any suggestions?


1&2) You can go to autozone and by some header wrap and wrap the part of the muffler where it is going to touch the crossmember and that will stop it from rattline.

3) Wideband bungs are supposed to be high up (not lower than 9 or 3 o'clock) so they don't collect moisture when the car is cooling doen.

4) :dunno:

^ Thanks

Scott called me, excellent customer service I might add, and we went over each.

1) I lowered the brace about 1/2"

2) Once installed, I yanked on it pretty hard, and it did not come close enough to touch.

3) Yep, it's located that way to avoid moisture. Just make sure to install the sensor prior to installing the pipe.

4) Scott said that nobody has had problems here yet, so I'll keep an eye out on that one.

All in all, I am 100% happy with this purchase. I have my Racing Beat Dual off to get modified to downward firing tips currently, so no vids yet. I have my track single on at the moment, and that alone is a drone at certain loads. But it is coming off when I get my dual back on.

I was talking to Scott on my cell at 65 MPH and he could hear me just fine!

Thanks Scott for a wonderful product.

Do you think any additional heat shield of some type is warranted where it comes close to body parts as you have installed it? Perhaps reflective shield stuck to the under body anywhere?

So there is NO gasket from the header to the midpipe?

I personally don't believe so. Scott would have recommended it or shipped it out with it to begin with if he felt it was necessary.

I agree - most likely not required. I did however lowered my rear brace too much, and I ripped the crap out of it on a driveway :banghead: :banghead:

If you lower your rear brace, be careful how far. I think 1/2" is more than enough. I'm going to make my own brace at the factory next week.

So there is NO gasket from the header to the midpipe?

There are gaskets on both ends supplied by Mazsport. I'm referring to the OEM donut gasket. Scott supplies us a rigid copper gasket here.

i wonder on why some cars the exhaust seems further away from the braces than others---i also had to actually put spacers 1 inch thick on my front brace to get good clearance ----puzzling.
olddragger

There are gaskets on both ends supplied by Mazsport. I'm referring to the OEM donut gasket. Scott supplies us a rigid copper gasket here.

Oh.. I'm just trying to visualize as I got no gaskets with mine... was told they were not available and were being shipped by boat from Australia...IMHO air shouldn't have cost that much more for a few gaskets... and then I'd have more than an expensive paperweight sitting in my garage right now :scratchhe

spin---they are just copper based gaskets---you can pick them up at other places--dont cost much.
OD

spin---they are just copper based gaskets---you can pick them up at other places--dont cost much.
OD

Ok I'm game to try but I've never taken the exhaust apart & have no idea what I'd ask for or what it looks like for Scotts creation. I DO know the original Mazda ones are not $.50 ones, more like $40 ones and far from something you can just get anywhere. Just from what I've seen of the OEMs, one's a round compression gasket , the other is a huge thing - tapered made of strange stuff, and amazingly expensive.

So can anyone post pics of what they got?

they should be $10-15 and dont forget your bolts.
OD

they should be $10-15 and dont forget your bolts.
OD

Scott sent the pipe & bolts...but if you can just go and pick these gaskets up anywhere...Scott would have in FL & shipped them to me. Instead he's importing them from Australia. As it's my old bones laying on my back screwing around with this on some jack stands I want everything to be right the 1st time. Not my idea of fun exactly. And I already paid $600 + shipping, why should I pay more?

Spin, I am supposed to have an update on Monday regarding the gaskets.

During the design process we intended to eliminate the need for gaskets completely. Unfortunately with all the different combinations of catbacks, headers and turbo manifolds out there we were unable to guarantee a 100% seal on all of them without gaskets. Some guys are running without gaskets and not having any problems, some are not. Same goes for the spacing of the rear brace, a 5/8 spacer will be included with all future units and I will include them with your gaskets as well.

If you do find a gasket locally, send me the receipt and I will be happy to reimburse you, no problem.

Scott

Now you cannot beat that for service and backing their product now can Ya!!
Hey Scott have you noticed that some cars, the pipe hangs down further than others. My car has always been that way and i dont know why. the ppf is correct. No problem with this --just something i have noticed.
olddragger

Spin, I am supposed to have an update on Monday regarding the gaskets.

If you do find a gasket locally, send me the receipt and I will be happy to reimburse you, no problem.

Scott

Thanks for checking in Scott. I'll wait for your update Monday and package to follow when the gaskets arrive, then I'll know they're correct. The Ignition Solution should arrive soon & that'll keep me busy until my 1st of the season DE next Friday. Then I'll get back to the midpipe with all the parts at hand.

Is it possible to re-use the rear braided steel donut in this situation until the new stuff comes in? I re-use mine all the time when I switch back and forth from my factory pipe to my 3" pipe. I used an exhaust pipe stretcher to get the donut to fit the 3" pipe. As for the front flange crush gasket, I have used copper gasket sealer on the flange and re-used the gasket in a pinch.

there's no need to use sealer on the manifold discharge gasket if you're unbolting and bolting up the same pipe, just pop it back in and bolt it up

however, I have a new one of each, let me know if you need them

I currently have my track single exhaust on, and outside the car it is awesome. A very deep throaty tuned sound. But, inside the car my track single is too much for daily driving.

Currently modifying my street dual to downward firing tips. I'll shoot some video this week of each.

Why is my '04 not throwing a P0420? I have about 300 miles on it so far.

some do some dont,

maybe you are going to be lucky..

beers :beer:

Shit - I'm buying a lotto ticket asap - :lol:

it took mine about 500 miles believe it or not to finally throw the cel. Been on ever since. I hear ya on the single being a bit loud on the inside (HKS hi-power here), but really compared to a lot of cars in the area I've finally come to the conclusion it's not half as bad as it could be. I'm totally used to it now, and it doesn't bother me at all anymore.

You have to hear this setup - it's freakin' mean and awesome sounding. A friend at work followed me on some back roads and the highway while I romped the crap out it. He said it sounds like a monster. Very low growling note.

The single is coming off for daily driving, and the modified dual is going on. I will miss the sound at WOT, but I need to keep it sane in town. I'll try to get a video when I get back in town before I change it.

Sounds good man! Can't wait to hear some clips. I might have some cruising clips myself comin up soon as well.

You have to hear this setup - it's freakin' mean and awesome sounding. A friend at work followed me on some back roads and the highway while I romped the crap out it. He said it sounds like a monster. Very low growling note.

The single is coming off for daily driving, and the modified dual is going on. I will miss the sound at WOT, but I need to keep it sane in town. I'll try to get a video when I get back in town before I change it.

how does the single drone on the highway with the dual can midepipe?

beers :beer:

HKS single doesn't drone much at all at around 70 mph. It's VERY tolerable once you are up to speed.

HKS single doesn't drone much at all at around 70 mph. It's VERY tolerable once you are up to speed.

how old are you? and what is between your exhaust manifold and your rb single..

beers :beer:

how old are you? and what is between your exhaust manifold and your rb single..

beers :beer:

lol? I was one of the first preorders of the Mazsport Dual resonated midpipe, I don't understand who you are to question anything I post? I was more so commenting on just a single exhaust (which is all the description you supplied originally , you never specifically said the RB single) with the midpipe (the hks is also generally LOUDER than the RB single) at highway speeds to help you give an idea. If i knew I would get a smart ass reply I would have just not bothered to give any sort of input in an effort to help someone else.

lol? I was one of the first preorders of the Mazsport Dual resonated midpipe, I don't understand who you are to question anything I post? I was more so commenting on just a single exhaust with the midpipe (the hks is also generally LOUDER than the RB single) at highway speeds to help you give an idea. If i knew I would get a smart ass reply I would have just not bothered to give any sort of input in an effort to help someone else.

not at all.. nothing was intended as smart assed...

i did not ask who are you i asked how old are you..

the drone thing kills use old guys... i loved the sound of my old corksport.. but i spend a whole lot of time at 74 mph.

and with a mid pipe resonated. it is tiresome..

btw, your sig does not say mazsport dual mid pipe.. how would i know. that is why i asked the ?

i have never run a single, but my guess is they drone the same way that the ms dual / corksport do...

right now i have a shelled magnafow cat and a resonator with a borla. and it drones..

btw, my post was at nem. i know him a bit..

beers :beer: