Never heard the term "ricey" before finding this forum. Since then I've probably read over a hundred posts that use the term in one of its forms
"rice"
"ricey"
"ricer"
"rice-a-roni"
Okay I made up the last one.
From all accounts it's something you definitely don't want to be (unless you're a "ricer", I guess). But, I really don't know what "it" is. Can someone enlighten me? Preferably using pictures

e.g.

X - this is ricey
Y - this is not ricey

As an afterthought - since ricey-ness exists, presumably there are ricers "out there". Are you a "ricer"? If so, what say you to all of the negative "rice" remarks? Show your ricey pictures and be proud :D

Just check out this page, which will make you understand what rice is:

http://www.riceboypage.com/

this is a funny thread
rice is different to everyone
example --fast and furious movie cars

I think they are sweet and others say rice

Rice... it is not a personal thing but I think I am pretty rice before... I had a Civic like that then I had a real Integra type R DC2 with no mods as most are rice mods

Now I will be careful to mod the RX8... I won't be rice

But again I think my rx8 gear is pretty rice

The expression "rice boy", though it did start out as a derogatory expression about Asian imported vehicles and/or Asian kids that drove them, has come to be an adjective used to delineate tasteful and/or functional modifications to a vehicle from those that are not.
Generally, you will be flirting with "rice" when ever you make an aesthetic choice on a car - especially if it is aftermarket. However, then you are bound only by the confines of taste. The mere fact that it is aesthetic in nature is not, in and of itself, enough to denote the modification as "ricey".
However, modifications that are designed to increase the performance of a vehicle are usually given a pass, especially if they are understated (if not completely undetectable) or executed with a high level of craftsmanship. Hence "ricer" vs. "racer".

that website is funny (lmao), but that guy has some issues.

What would call some dude with a shaved head and buck teeth driving a primered 1971 Nova with Yosemity Sam "Back Off" mudflaps?

White Trash right? Well it's sort of the same thing, just with imports.


BTW, that website is freakin awesome!!!!

Almost as good as www.mulletsgalore.com

sounds a bit racist to me.

Yes, if you are *looking* to be offended.

Poor taste is universal, it knows no race!

Originally posted by Jhouse
sounds a bit racist to me. Just to toss another 2c into the pot, it was my understanding that the term "rice" was derived not from the nationality of the owners, but from the term "riceburner."

Originally (in Australia at least), a riceburner was anything powered by a rotary engine, and the term was a friendly dig at the fact that the rotary is such a unique powerplant that surely it couldn't possibly burn regular gasoline like your regular piston engine. As the owner of several rotary-powered vehicles over a span of 25 years, I used to hear it all the time.

Eventually, the rotary became less accessible to its original target market of post-adolescent males, and they had to look elsewhere for cheap thrills. Many decided to buy a small four-cylinder - which at the time meant it was probably an import - and add a few go-fast bits. Some actually succeeded in making a silk purse out of a sow's ear; others were happy just to look the part.

As language is a living, breathing, evolving thing, the term "riceburner" moved with the market, and the term came to refer to any hotted-up small car whether imported or domestic, rotary or piston, whether actually hot or just trying to look the part.

Again through the wonders of linguistic evolution, the verb "to rice" has emerged to describe the process of turning a plain-jane grocery getter into something more exotic (in the eyes of the owner), and the practitioners have become known as "riceboys" or "ricers." They can be any race, color or creed - it's their car that makes them worthy of the moniker, not their skin.

Knowing the etymology as I understand it, I have no problem using any of the terms.

Originally posted by Maniac
Generally, you will be flirting with "rice" when ever you make an aesthetic choice on a car - especially if it is aftermarket. However, then you are bound only by the confines of taste. The mere fact that it is aesthetic in nature is not, in and of itself, enough to denote the modification as "ricey".
However, modifications that are designed to increase the performance of a vehicle are usually given a pass, especially if they are understated (if not completely undetectable) or executed with a high level of craftsmanship. Hence "ricer" vs. "racer".

i think Maniac nailed the modern definition, or at least my personal take on it.

Ya know, looking through this http://www.riceboypage.com/ site, I originally got a big chuckle out of it.

Then I got to remembering when I was a kid with my first car or two, and some of the stupid things I did at first.

Looking at it in that light, what these people have done to their cars is kinda sad and touching. Tacky and ugly? In may cases a resounding YES... but still kind of touching that they went to all that effort.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and many of these "ricers" probably look "totally phat!" to their creators and their peers. Not my taste, but tastes differ.

The lesson *I* took out of looking at all those ricers is to be careful with your mods, and make sure whatever you do is tasteful.

I've heard the term riceburner too, however it was directed at Japanese motorcycles compared to Harley Davidson's.

I dunno if anyone has seen this before.. but it is prolly the worst offender of all time! :)

Click here to see the horror! (http://www.nsxprime.com/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000274.html)

LOL...it looks like this guy kept breaking his gauges but never bothered to remove the broken ones once he replaced them

Originally posted by Omicron

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and many of these "ricers" probably look "totally phat!" to their creators and their peers. Not my taste, but tastes differ.

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This is so true
I posted pics of my civic and almost everyone flamed me and called it rice. However, my civic was put in car shows and featured in a magazine.

Originally posted by mikeb
This is so true
I posted pics of my civic and almost everyone flamed me and called it rice. However, my civic was put in car shows and featured in a magazine.

Being put in car shows and featured in a magazine doesn't mean it isn't rice... ;)

There's another hilarious web site with some excellent examples of rice:

http://www.beaterz.com/

you are missing the point all together jtimbck2

If rice is mods that appear to improve performance but don't, then what's ricey about underbody glow, no one expects underglow to add performance, it's purely cosmetic. Or are purely cosmetic mods rice. Let's face it, strakes are purely cosmetic. But no one here is calling them rice. I'm confused??

Same thing with exhaust finishers. It seems most people like them but they add no performance value, are they rice?

Do we absolutely need to classify everything as rice or nonrice? I don't think anybody is arguing whether a few dealer accesories are rice or not. There's lots on the 8 stock that's just for looks (rotary symbols anyone?). They hint that the car has a rotary engine (which it does right?). What would be rice is a honda with owner concocted rotary symbols everywhere (it would be funny though).

It's synonymous with putting a sock in your underpants or stuffing your bra, projecting something you don't have. Strakes and exhaust finishers don't seem to me to make any claims. Besides, it's all tasteful (imo). Most rice is just bad taste on wheels, which means it's highly subjective, but I'm sure that there's a lot that we can agree on (excessive wings, stickers, etc.). Maybe there should be a Committee on the Assessment of Rice.

As Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart said about "hard-core" pornography in 1964, "I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced . . . but I know it when I see it."

That about sums it up, thx :)

I think the space shuttle has fewer guages than that tub-o-crap!

"Rice" is simply a modification which neither makes your car look better nor faster. It's just there for the "HAAAY GUYZ LOOK AT MEEE I IZ A BIGSHOT NOW!" factor. Ugly is perfectly ok to ricers, as long as it makes people look.

The ricers usually respond with something like "oh yeah well the kustom/hot rod/musclecar crowd has (cosmetic mod X)". The difference is simple. Some cosmetic mods improve the looks. Others don't. Rice is the latter.

Originally posted by BaronVonBigmeat
Ugly is perfectly ok to ricers, as long as it makes people look.

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this is not true and you dont know what you are talking about

If it's a mod (or mods) which are A) flagrantly ugly and B) do nothing for performance, what other reason could they possibly have than wanting attention?

your opinion is that its ugly, remember thats just your thoughts
I added mods to my civic to make it look better and make it unique compared to everyone elses

Originally posted by mikeb
you are missing the point all together jtimbck2

Maybe so. What *is* your point?

I think eccles's post in this thread sums it up best -- "rice" is an extremely subjective term.

My point is if my car was featured in a magazine and placed at car shows people must think its nice. When I posted it here on the forum everyone called it rice.

you didn't have a Type R sticker did you
j/k

no type r stickers
I have pics in the lounge under my car was stolen thread

the term " rice " is usually said by people that have no understanding of customizing a car or the indrustry. Rice is referring to the import car market. So yes your RX8 are rice rockets too...... But its ok!

Actually, I don't think it's so much that "rice is relative", its just that some like rice and some don't.

However--

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?postid=84427

I actually kind of like this. There's no ludicrous wing, no crazy "sponsored by" stickers in Japanese, tasteful wheels/paint, and the bodykit (as far as I can tell) was not inspired by anime robots. I don't know why people bash you for the BMW fender vents when the RX8 strakes are a flagrant Mercedes ripoff (both look cool IMO...it's not like ALL the panels are BMW and you're trying to pass it off as one). The suspension is a bit too low but it's clearly an airbag suspension at rest, and only the hood is borderline ricey.

So basically I wouldn't say your car is rice. I personally would not spend that kind of time/money on any economy car, but other than that and the hood I can't really find much fault with it.

well thank you and I appreciate that

Mike's former car is clearly NOT rice, to me anyway. I think it's nice looking (and I'm 41, not 16) and it's also a good example of present day mod and automotive art. I think Boozehound said it best in the "My car was stolen" thread:

Originally posted by Boozehound
I'm not sure why everyone wants to rag on the car - if you're interested in it, you like, you work on it, and you paid for it - rock on. That's what car culture's about. The oldschool vans of the 70s, lowriders, postwar hotrods, roadsters from the dry lake beds, etc. Don't just own it - make it yours. Who gives a $hit what other people think.

I think Mike's car was a victim of people lashing out at any Honda Civic that has any body mods. There is now a stigma attached to such mods.

His car has mostly tasteful mods. The wing is small, but adds a nice touch to the back and there was obviously some heavy custom interior work that is very tasteful, IMO. The only thing I don't really approve of is the M3 side vents, but that is very minor.
Like I said in his stolen car thread, not my cup of tea, but nicely done.

Back on topic:
My definition of rice is something flagrantly over the top or advertising something the car doesn't have .:cough, cough:. Integra Type R .:cough, cough:.

Originally posted by rabinabo
It's synonymous with putting a sock in your underpants or stuffing your bra, projecting something you don't have.

That's it! Rice isn't just whether a mod enhances performance or not - Rice is pretending to have performance mods that you don't actually have, or adding mods that should add performance but actually detract from performance.

Examples of the first (pretend mods) - one of the definitive Rice mods, a "Type R" sticker on anything that didn't leave the Honda (Acura) factory as a Type R.

Examples of the second - big wings that just add drag and weight, but don't add any downforce. They steal the race car look, but don't really add the functionality that the race version does. Most of the "ground effects" or Veilside body kits fall into this category - they are heavy fiberglass so actually slow the car down, and add drag at the same time. Buyers think they make the car look faster, but in fact they make the car slower. That's rice, the pretence of performance enhancement rather than actual performance enhancement!

Regards,
Gordon

Originally posted by Gord96BRG
Examples of the second - big wings that just add drag and weight, but don't add any downforce.We call them "shopping carts" because the big wing looks like a push handle. :)

You may want to check your facts actually Veilside body kits are at least 1/2 the weight of OEM parts. (at least for the fiberglass pieces) two of the veilside skylines use body kits, and in total have produced 3 world records. So a body kit can be functional.

Rice is what i eat everyday. It comes in different varieties and has different members of the family. It is also a very important ingredient in Japanese food & culture...ie sushi, and sake.

The term rice has been far abused. There is gaudy and there is tastelessness. But there really isn't a true definition of rice, as it's all opinion.

Originally posted by Gord96BRG
That's it! Rice isn't just whether a mod enhances performance or not - Rice is pretending to have performance mods that you don't actually have, or adding mods that should add performance but actually detract from performance.

Examples of the first (pretend mods) - one of the definitive Rice mods, a "Type R" sticker on anything that didn't leave the Honda (Acura) factory as a Type R.

Examples of the second - big wings that just add drag and weight, but don't add any downforce. They steal the race car look, but don't really add the functionality that the race version does. Most of the "ground effects" or Veilside body kits fall into this category - they are heavy fiberglass so actually slow the car down, and add drag at the same time. Buyers think they make the car look faster, but in fact they make the car slower. That's rice, the pretence of performance enhancement rather than actual performance enhancement!

Regards,
Gordon

Originally posted by swifty949
You may want to check your facts actually Veilside body kits are at least 1/2 the weight of OEM parts. (at least for the fiberglass pieces) two of the veilside skylines use body kits, and in total have produced 3 world records. So a body kit can be functional.


gimme a break, moogle and i got into a little debate about this: in short, i win, Vielside is a joke.

"they have a wind tunnel"... and?? any PhD's in fluid dynamics employed there?? have they ever produced aerodynamic numbers and disclosed to the public?? please. it's all style, with big ass holes punched in it. produce proof, and i will believe.

some are functional, vielside is not. high style for the show-car crowd, but not the height of high speed engineering (it's the motors, not the aero of the cars that's making all the difference)

btw, fibreglass will never be lighter than the stock panels (unless it's too flimsy to use in world speed records). polyurethane (the very pricey stuff) can be, though, as can aluminum, well done (ie, not rice) carbon fibre, and other materials as well...

Originally posted by wakeech
gimme a break, moogle and i got into a little debate about this: in short, i win, Vielside is a joke.

"they have a wind tunnel"... and?? any PhD's in fluid dynamics employed there?? have they ever produced aerodynamic numbers and disclosed to the public?? please. it's all style, with big ass holes punched in it. produce proof, and i will believe.

some are functional, vielside is not. high style for the show-car crowd, but not the height of high speed engineering (it's the motors, not the aero of the cars that's making all the difference)

btw, fibreglass will never be lighter than the stock panels (unless it's too flimsy to use in world speed records). polyurethane (the very pricey stuff) can be, though, as can aluminum, well done (ie, not rice) carbon fibre, and other materials as well...

Sorry you are very wrong. Have i ever said Veilside has a wind tunnel? No i have not. They do have 3 world records. 0-300 in 13secs. The R32 did 8.61 on Nitto's no NOS. the R34 did ‚346.2 kmh , in the rain at an FIA Sanctioned event. You think the aerodynamics didnt help? I would really like to see a urethane piece weight less than fiberglass. In fact i have weighted the veilside hood for the supra and weighted the factory aluminum hood for the supra. The veilside fiberglass hood weighted 15lbs, the factory hood weighted 30lbs.

So your telling me this body kit is not designed for performance, and veilside is a joke??? You better do some more actual research instead of getting the wrong information off of forums and spreading it to others.
http://www.veilsideracing.com/img/drr3.jpg

Wow, nice burnout!

Originally posted by swifty949
Sorry you are very wrong. Have i ever said Veilside has a wind tunnel? No i have not. They do have 3 world records. 0-300 in 13secs. The R32 did 8.61 on Nitto's no NOS. the R34 did ‚346.2 kmh , in the rain at an FIA Sanctioned event. You think the aerodynamics didnt help? I would really like to see a urethane piece weight less than fiberglass. In fact i have weighted the veilside hood for the supra and weighted the factory aluminum hood for the supra. The veilside fiberglass hood weighted 15lbs, the factory hood weighted 30lbs.

So your telling me this body kit is not designed for performance, and veilside is a joke??? You better do some more actual research instead of getting the wrong information off of forums and spreading it to others. [/IMG]

no, you didn't tell me they have a wind tunnel, but others have told me (in the same manner you use their 0-300 times) as proof that they're somehow more than just style.

...why do you think that the best bodykits are all urethane, and the cheap ripoffs are fibreglass?? if fibreglass was better, why would there be urethane units in the first place. *rolleyes*
you're comparing a fibreglass hood (probably one which you must use hood pins for) to an aluminum hood, both of which aren't body panels. stock hoods are heavy to stay closed, and add crash structure.

and still, no numbers, no real proof. never did i say that Vielside couldn't build the RB, 'cause they can (the big reason they hold those records).
THAT kit right there, yes, i do admit could be far worse, not to mention far better. for tips on how to make your car cut through the wind at exteremly high speed take a look at any Bonneville racer: that kit still sacrifices ultimate performance for style (and saleability of the brand). as bad as most of their kits that i've seen?? nope, that's the best i've seen, but for a 0-300kph racer, it could be plenty better.

and, this isn't the conjecture of another from a different forum regurjitated: i've been an aero freak for years (since my F1 infatuation, before my wankel infatuation :D)

Before you judge me, i am not one to state things that have no facts. I know for a fact that veilside does not have a windtunnel as it would be outrageously expensive.
Coming from an industrial design background, i too have an affection for fluid dynamics.

I also have followed F1 religiously since 1988.
If you too are so fond of F1 then please do some research on what material F1 car's used in the 70's before the introduction of Carbon Fiber....you'll find they used Fiberglass. Also many of the Lemans cars at that time used Fiberglass as well, a prime example would be the GT40.

Like the company or not Veilside has made kits that do benefit for downforce, and at the same time also have kits that are for style.

If you are the expert in materials then you would know that there are various grades of ALL material. Urethane in japan does not sell at all regardless of price or design. The main reason it does not sell is due to the weight disadvantage. Urethane is a great material if all you care about is looks. It's basically rubber. The properties can change with the weather. Under hot temperatures it can become warped. In cold temperatures it can become more brittle. If you break the urethane piece, then you will have to throw it away. With fiberglass you can repair it. The cheap companies that make rip off parts have given fiberglass a very bad name, they use the cheapest fiberglass out there, and apply in it such a manner that is most cost efficient.

I have a fiberglass bumper on my own car, it much lighter than factory. I also have fiberglass rear fenders, did it sacrifice anything? Sure, with modifying a car you comprimise. I wanted performance and style.

To set 3 records it takes a lot more than just being able to build a good motor. If you want some proof, then you will find that the Veilside R34 that did the top speed run had to have the suspension readjusted because the car produced so much downforce the toe of the front wheels changed after the run.



Originally posted by wakeech
no, you didn't tell me they have a wind tunnel, but others have told me (in the same manner you use their 0-300 times) as proof that they're somehow more than just style.

...why do you think that the best bodykits are all urethane, and the cheap ripoffs are fibreglass?? if fibreglass was better, why would there be urethane units in the first place. *rolleyes*
you're comparing a fibreglass hood (probably one which you must use hood pins for) to an aluminum hood, both of which aren't body panels. stock hoods are heavy to stay closed, and add crash structure.

and still, no numbers, no real proof. never did i say that Vielside couldn't build the RB, 'cause they can (the big reason they hold those records).
THAT kit right there, yes, i do admit could be far worse, not to mention far better. for tips on how to make your car cut through the wind at exteremly high speed take a look at any Bonneville racer: that kit still sacrifices ultimate performance for style (and saleability of the brand). as bad as most of their kits that i've seen?? nope, that's the best i've seen, but for a 0-300kph racer, it could be plenty better.

and, this isn't the conjecture of another from a different forum regurjitated: i've been an aero freak for years (since my F1 infatuation, before my wankel infatuation :D)

wakeech - do you have something against veilside and bodykits. most of your posts you seem to be fairly knowledgable about technical aspects of vehicles, however you are wrong about veilside. Veilside is a tuner in Japan. Most ALL tuners in Japan develop products for function and then for form. Veilside uses a composite of fiberglass and gel creating a durable and lightweight design. Veilside is a respectable company that has developed more than just bodykits, they develop performance products and throughly research and test them. They have extremely insanely fast cars and they look like they are fast. Veilside now creates both kits for look as some are, and some are performance. Urethane is simply another material body kit consumers are demanding since they usually are using them for the street and prefer durability over weight and performance. The aerodynamics are hand crafted and through much real world testing (no wind tunnel - I do not believe) they improve designs. Veilside produces both style and function.

efini
I was waiting for your 2 cents on this one

plus.... veilside would not have such high stature in the Japanese tuner community if they just made "cool looking body parts" - in Japan they have another way of looking at things. The many companies there produce only products that are functional ! accessories and style later... its just how it is. A lot of products are street and race tested.

The only company that wind tunnel tested its designs for aero parts was Mugen (now M-Tech). Since they went bankrupt for tax evasion who knows what is gunna happens. They only developed Honda aero parts. Simply said they wind tunnel test to improve downforce, etc. The DC5 kit is approximately $5000 USD which demonstrates the cost of developing a kit that is proven in the wind tunnel. People simply are not willing to shell out $5000 for a bodykit unless they are racing. Mugen also wind tunnel tested their S2000 bodykit and the rear piece was not producing improved aerodynamics so they scraped that part and loss $20000 in testing it. That is a huge loss to just throw away $20g, but they are serious tuners. Wind tunnel testing is extremely expensive for testing a bodykit. Even if you did wind tunnel testing, computer testing would most likely be another alternative that is less costly - more COST EFFECTIVE. However when you are a company you do not want to spend large sums of capital on developing products that only a select few can purchase, rather develop for the masses in order to make money, after all - they are a business...

TechArt Germany also develops wind tunnel tested aerodynamic parts for Porsche. Their kits cost roughly $20000 + because they reflect the costly price of wind tunnel testing and proving the performance aspect of their products. FEW people can afford these kits much less have the cars they go on so pricing them high is not a problem cuz porsche owners can most likely afford them. I personally know this guy in my car team that has a 996 GT II and has TechArt's bodykit - it looks mean and it definately works.

simply put rice is spending more on your car to make it look better or faster then your car was is worth but not spending the money to do the job right. ie buying a civic spending 15 grand on it to make it faster and home installing the stuff and letting the wires show, when if you had an ounce of self control you could saved up bought a better car, then put more time in and make the job look professional instead of cheap then you would not be a ricer

the definition of rice can be summed up as a derogatory term. It is always used to put others down.

Originally posted by swifty949
the definition of rice can be summed up as a derogatory term. It is always used to put others down.

Not quite! My 12 year old keeps a watchful eye on the road while riding along with me and screams with delight with things like: "Sweeett! That car is totally riced!!!" every time a Honda or F&F car goes by. I just roll my eyes and remember the days of muscle cars :)

If you can put on a mod in 3 minutes does that make it "Uncle Bens"?

DeBug

Originally posted by 8 is enough
simply put rice is spending more on your car to make it look better or faster then your car was is worth but not spending the money to do the job right. ie buying a civic spending 15 grand on it to make it faster and home installing the stuff and letting the wires show, when if you had an ounce of self control you could saved up bought a better car, then put more time in and make the job look professional instead of cheap then you would not be a ricer

You just dont get it.
You are probably the time of guy that just buys what's popular or changes your favorite sports team according to who's in first place. The whole point is to have something unique, custom and different from every other person on the street.

mikeb you are so wrong about me i live in dallas and was/is a dallas cowboys fan even with dave campo as head coach, if you are going to do a job do it right don't spend 500 for a part and cheap out of the extra 100 or so for a proper installation, i agree with you on having something unique or different but i am a perfectionist

who says we dont pay for installs
and if we dont whats wrong with working on your own car

alright, i yeild on the fibreglass vs. urethane issue (the guy who'd told me so was obviously wrong... he was shopping for body kits, i asked him why he didn't want to go for the fibreglass, and he said "too heavy" *shrug*).

swifty, if the toe was out of spec after a run becuase of downforce on the car, then the package is still bad. in a straight line application, downfoce is useless. lift is bad, but downforce would be nothing more than extra drag and energy wasted. and yes, you CAN set records with an unbelievable motor and very mediocre aero kit, especially if every other competitor has an equally mediocre setup too. again, see the top-speed racer, and top-flight drag racing aero setups: low drag is it, and that Vielside kit can do a whole lot better.

efini, yup, i'm being pig headed about veilside, mostly 'cause i am instinctively opposed to that which is wildly popular. ricers (no, not everyone who likes the garage is a ricer, but...) have this sort of hard-on for anything that comes from Japan (Jaaay Deee Emmm!!) as it's somehow inately better than something made anywhere else (same deal with the Bimmer and Porshe snobs: the hose clamps must be of a particular brand). Veilside, as a big-shot Japanese tuner is a pantheon of ricerdom. they do a lot of good stuff (obviously build really sick race cars), but i just have to succumb to the itch of scrutiny and skepticism, only because it's loved so blindly.

btw, the windtunnel thing was mentioned by the last kid who tried to convince me that Vielside is god's gift to japanese cars.

computer generated flow analysis can be useful, and i know is utilised in tandem with windtunnel programs in F1, but is still a way too rudementary and slow method to really be relied upon as a primary source of analysis. cheaper, it can be in some applications (like making body kits for the masses with work a little bit), but not always the case in others (trying to design a championship-winning race car).

mikeb, its when it comes down to spending a hour to do the install right or just 15 min tape and glue job that is rice, that is not doing the job right. I live in dallas near a rich school district and see tons of 18 yr olds that bought tons of stuff for the car and just put it on and went with it, in under 1 hour sometimes, there was no planning there was not skill, it was shear impulse

Can "rice" be used in a good sense?

Heard on streets:

"Aw snap! That chick is hot!"

"Aw snap! That sucks dude."

this thread has turned into RICE

ok obviously you guys do NOT know what the definition of RICE is...

I think this about sums it up for all those who wonder what the definition of rice is.

IMAGE WAS TAKEN DOWN SO AS TO NOT HURT SOMEONE'S FEELINGS ANYMORE ;)

Originally posted by RX8Lover
I think this about sums it up for all those who wonder what the definition of rice is.


Wow, dude you are harsh. While, I'm not a fan of those types of modifications, I think you are denigrating a forum member who did put a lot of time and money into something. :mad:

rx8 lover

you are a joke and have no life

OKay, that's about enough. RX8 lover, that was pretty uncalled for. Please remove it. Do you guys want to keep going, or shall I close this thread?

I don't get it? Isn't this thread's sole purpose to discuss what "Rice" is? What does it matter whose car it is? It is asking the opinion of what people consider rice to be.

I would like to keep going
its personal now

rx8lover you are just a internet tough guy arent you

whatever

I guess you can't take criticism. keep in mind that I'm not alone in disliking your "taste".

Originally posted by RX8Lover
whatever

I guess you can't take criticism. keep in mind that I'm not alone in disliking your "taste".

I also say keep this thread going.

Rx8Lover, although I see your point(s) in the now removed pic, it was uncalled for. I would not have made all the pictured mods myself, but the car looked fine and there's nothing wrong with appearance mods. Does anyone here think the 8's distinctiveness is all functionality based? No, the 8 is very stylistic. It's a drop dead gorgous car, but not for functionalty reasons. For aesthics. Your post crossed the line and was personal, for no reason but to slam another forum member.

bottom line
rx8lover wouldn't be saying that stuff about my ride to my face

Wow Can't believe I missed the pic...but member bashing seems to be the in thing right now...just check what XDEEDUBBX had to say about me in his Chrasma hood thread...

"RICE" Stuff you bye at the store...Example Uncle Ben's...
"RICER" Ignorant person who thinks looks make it go fast
"RICEY" Term used by people who don't like gaudy apperance mods

Just my OPINION=)

I think some members are a little to harsh in their opion. Not everone can afford nice car or can put a lum sum of money down for a nice one. Not everyone buy ferrari or lambo for performance purpose alone. Lot of people buy them for the name, LOOKS, and lastly performance.
I might not do the same mods but do understand the feeling of improving your car's appearance. And I do admire their time/money/dedication that was spent.
Last but not least, please remember "Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder", ie. I think Piscasso's arts looks like crap, but wtf do i know. They sell for million $$.

Ricer or not they are all CAR LOVERS!!!

KK, putting flame suit on now :D

Originally posted by pyrospawn
Not everone can afford nice car or can put a lum sum of money down for a nice one. Not everyone buy ferrari or lambo for performance purpose alone.

Some people (I shall not name names...) dump $20 grand into their Civics. They buy a $15,000 car and make it into a car worth...$15,000! All that money could easily have been put towards a nicer car to begin with, and that owner could then have "pride" in what they drive from the get-go, instead of doing all those senseless upgrades to establish their pride.

I have no problem with tasteful upgrades, performance or aesthetic, but the line gets crossed when you do things that amount to more than the car is actually worth.

you just dont get it
Yes I could have bought a mustang , camaro or whatever for 15k and had the same car as every other guy on the street. I bought a civic and made it my own. It was unique and not mistaken for anyone else's.

I gotta defend mikeb here - i previously said in this thread that my definition of "rice" was mods that are supposed to look like they make your car faster, but actually make it slower (or else fake mods, like stickers for parts you don't have, Type R badges on anything but a Type R, fake roll cages, etc). fart can exhausts, giant wings, heavy bodykits that just add drag, etc. mikeb's Civic was customised to the hilt, but it wasn't rice. He didn't have a fake rollcage or a giant wing, his mods were cosmetic and intended to be cosmetic, not fake go-fast stuff. My understanding from the outset was that his intention was to go for a custom look, not to pretend to have a racer. Customised, yes - rice, no. (and I'm a pretty harsh critic of plenty of ricer mods, too).

Regards,
Gordon

Originally posted by mikeb
you just dont get it
Yes I could have bought a mustang , camaro or whatever for 15k and had the same car as every other guy on the street. I bought a civic and made it my own. It was unique and not mistaken for anyone else's.

You just don't get it.

Are you saying that everyone has a Mustang and Camaro, but NO ONE has a Civic??? Everyone and their mother has a Civic, and 3/4 of the Civics are modded to hell. So to think your car wouldn't be mistaken for someone else's is, well, laughable.

Also, what you should keep in mind that it is a Civic, for Christ sake. After all you did, deep down it is still a Honda economy car. Everyone knows this. All the paint and all the body kits just cover up the sad truth.

idiot,
point is NO ONE had a civic like mine

I beg to differ

lets see it then

I don't take pictures of every modded civic I see. They're a dime a dozen.

Oh I guess youre right then

you win

You guys need to relax and get over the "Define Rice" thread and just realize that you also drive a rice rocket. So get over it! Because all the muscle car drivers are going to see you on the road and say "Stupid rice rocket cars"

THE BEST THING IS,
THAT THEY WE STILL SMOKE YOU AND YOUR RICE (RX8'S) ROCKETS!

MikeA, please consider removing that last comment, so I don't have a flame war on my hands.

Wow! haven't checked this thread for a while. Didn't mean to start a jihad :(

But I think my question has been answered. I'd have to agree with another poster that the term is primarily deroggatory. More so than I realized when I entered the post. Sorry for anyone's hurt feelings that resulted. As one post noted - even if you don't agree with someone's mods at least it shows they are into cars. As most people here are also - so there's something in common. Chalk the rest up to taste.

Ok, My contribution to this thread:

I will do a bit of comparison here between three civics. One is MikeB's, one is owned by a neighbor of mine, the last one I frequently see driving around my neighborhood. All three civics are heavily custimized.
MikeB's civic is not rice. It looks good and is customized in a tasteful way. Individual parts may be subjective to some people, but on a whole it is a damn fine car.
My neighbor's civic is black with a bodykit and really nice rims. It is also a nice car to look at. However, it has a couple of "ricey" aspects to it. The body kit is flimsy, especially the front. The first time I saw it I thought it had been in a wreck. I am surprised it doesn't flap in the wind. Here is a point in looks over functionality. The second point about this car is that is has a three inch exhaust tip. I know nothing about whether it improves performance or not, all I know is that it sounds annoying as hell. Reminds me of my old dirtbike. Cars aren't soposed to sound like a 125cc two cycle engine.
The third civic falls heavily into my definition of "rice." It is dull white with a carbon fiber hood. It is not the best color combination. It has been debadged, but the holes where the badges go are still clearly visible. It has a body kit, however this is not a negative toward the car. It also has one of the large "sheet metal" wings. In my opinion these wings are over the top. Kind of like a viper I saw with a wing that was wider than the car. This civic also has a Type-R sticker. Finally this civic sounds like a dirtbike as well.
This comparison hopefully conveys my opinion of what rice means. I have said it before, my definition of "rice" comes down to tastefull modifications and moderation.

-JiM

Originally posted by j1mb0x99
my definition of "rice" comes down to tastefull modifications and moderation.

-JiM

This is in the eye of the beholder. What one person thinks is tasteful, another may not. Like MikeB's for example...I, like many others, do not like his car. The fender treatment and hood are just too much for a Civic, and the drop is horrendously low. However, others disagree.

The term "rice" is ALSO in the eye of the beholder. There isn't a step-by-step method of making your car into this category. One thinks rice is with certain mods, while others see differently.

The way i see it, ricing out a car is when you are making it into something it is not. Making a car that is meant to be an economy car into something that looks like it wants to be a drag racer, tasteful or not, is rice in my eyes. But to others, a tasteful treatment means a 4" drop, body kits that look like another car, completely changing the interior, etc.

Originally posted by RX8Lover
The way i see it, ricing out a car is when you are making it into something it is not. Making a car that is meant to be an economy car into something that looks like it wants to be a drag racer, tasteful or not, is rice in my eyes.

this is what you dont understand

It takes a lot of hardwork, time, money , blood , sweat and tears to make a common plain old honda civic a sweet ass custom and unique car.

Respect that

Originally posted by mikeb
this is what you dont understand

It takes a lot of hardwork, time, money , blood , sweat and tears to make a common plain old honda civic a sweet ass custom and unique car.

Respect that

Mike,
He will never respect that effort because it just in in his nature to be nasty and combative. Taking a look through his past posts shows that.

You just don't get it.

What good is all that hardwork, time, MONEY, blood, sweat and tears when after all is said and done, you still have a CIVIC?????

Originally posted by revhappy
Mike,
He will never respect that effort because it just in in his nature to be nasty and combative. Taking a look through his past posts shows that.

Excuse me.

This whole thread's purpose is to discuss the term RICE. That means, whether you like it or not, that some people may have different opinions than others. If this conversation took place in another thread, I can understand you people ganging up on me. I think people's cars, like Mike's, are complete and utter Rice. You don't have to agree - jeez, you sound like a bunch of babies.

Sorry you can't take it, revhappy.

even old dogs can learn new tricks
so I thought I might be able to explain something new to rx8lover but I have failed

Originally posted by RX8Lover
Excuse me.

This whole thread's purpose is to discuss the term RICE. That means, whether you like it or not, that some people may have different opinions than others. If this conversation took place in another thread, I can understand you people ganging up on me. I think people's cars, like Mike's, are complete and utter Rice. You don't have to agree - jeez, you sound like a bunch of babies.

Sorry you can't take it, revhappy.

Perhaps there are things called class, tact and respect. Your pattern of posts continue to show none of these.

yep

Hey what's up?? how ya'll doin??????
My username is geek....hahaha...don't let it fool ya....
I live in Kansas...right now....I useta live in South Carolina...This here argument reminds me of sumethin....Back in Myrtle Beach...Rednecks....bitchin about those damn ricers..and ricers bitchin about those rednecks.....Now don't get pissy I can say redneck..on acounts i useta live there....Anyway...When you stand back and read or listen whichever you happen to be doing...Cuz I know we talk about this...me an my buddies..you know....The debate's always gonna be there.....Which is better rice or photato's.....Really it don't matter...Cuz if his Civic looks like shit in your eyes...As an american you can tell everyone you meet....Hey that guys Civic looks like shit....But that don't mean you oughta tell him that....All that's gonna do is start a fight...Were on a forum...Let's at least pretend to be pleasent...for the most part...A little bashing never hurt nobody...

Any who that's just a southern redneck's opinion...Peace all

oh yeah, car looks cool mike..just not for me...not my style...

Box of UncleBen's

This was probably already covered

R ace
Iinspired
Cosmetic
Effects


basically cosmetic mods that mimic actual performance mods, usually in an opulent way, and, usually at a cost to performance.

It's all on the definer, however. What may be rice to me may not be to you.

I've seen some very well put together cars that i liked, that had mods that i would consider rice on other vehicles.

Odd.

Rice......

> Ugly F&F colors like orange, green, pink, baby blue, at times yellow, orange.... anything out of the ordinary.

> Cheap big chromed rims, or really cheap small wheels with a huge fender gap.

> GRAPHICS, decals, stickers...whatever you want to call it.... if you got more than 2 stickers on your car, it's pretty ricey.

> NEONS...in car our under car, if you got them, you're RICE.

> GT WINGS!!! Why the heck would a civic need it?? To add drag to make your car slower? Most spoilers are ricey.

> Cheap "battle x" or whatever you call them body kits that you buy at VIS or NOPI for a few hundred bucks.

> and here comes the mother of all rice...... ALTEZZA'S!!!!!!!!!!!

> Any...i mean ANY APC parts.

> If you buy your car parts from PEP BOYS or NOPI.... you're rice or your car is bound to end up looking rice.

> Big ass subwoofers and AMPS everywhere..... inside the trunk and interior.

> Anybody that calls themselves a "racer"... I go racing auto X and road racing and I never have called myself a "racer".... yet kids that weave in n out of traffic calls themselves racers... how funky.

I wish I knew how to post pics, then I'd show some of you what rice is. Samb, yea your car might've been featured in magazines, but do you have any idea how ricey some cars in those magazines are??? And car shows.... I've been a car enthusiast for 8 years now, and I have never gone to those "hot import night" car shows, because 80% of the cars there are rice.

This is for those of you that like rice.... If you like it, that's fine, but don't expect people to give you props for your car. Someday some of you will see the light. Not ALL bodykits and rims are rice.... a perfect example is the mazdaspeed rx8....that thing is beautiful, it's tastefully done, it's highquality parts. It doesn't necessarily have to be functional, just as long as it's CLEAN and tastefully done.

Sorry about the long post it just seemed like not many of you had hit the exact point of rice.

And I hate to say it, but neither did you. EVerybody has a different opinion on whats ricey or not.

I consider the MS spoiler rice. I dont consider the stock on rice. SO right there your definition breaks down for me. Tasteful is all in the eye of the beholder. A 18 year old guys idea of tasteful is not the same as a 30 year old or a 50 year old.

I have no prob with a large stereo system. How can this be rice? You said so yourself, it doesnt have to be functional, as long as it's tasteful. I have seen some kick ass stereo install that do have a trunk full of amps and subs. I like my altezza style taillights.

So the end of my rambling is, everybody has an opinion and nobody's is more valid than others. So stop being insulting by calling everything ya dont agree with as rice.

you may like or dislike things

but most of you think its like or RICE

and if you think my civic wasn't clean you are crazy

I come from a place when muscle cars/drag cars were the thing. I personaly was into mid to late 60's lemans and TransAm race cars (not the production GM cars with those names) I wanted a GT40, Shelby cobra or track prepped AMX so bad I could taste it.
But what the guy on the street had resembled what was popular on the track - Camaros and Chevy II's that were modded out like doorslammers.

The youth of today watches the speed world challenge and the manufacturer series races were there are giant wings on the cars, so they emulate it.
In some places they spend 40k on a 5k Nova to them they have a Pro stocker, to guys like RX8lover, they still have a 5k nova.
I see the Mod'ed Civic's (and to some extent the EVO's) as the Chevy II Nova of the modern era. Are Chevy II's better cars then civics? No, they were awful econoboxes just the same. Some of those guys have no more need for wheelie bars and fire extingishers as civic guys have need for giant wings and , ugh fire extingishers. I am amazed by the 1/4 mile times that "ricers" are putting down in some of these modded civics. 12 seconds used to be big block territory on street tires..
And they were plenty of posers back in the "good old days" too. IE how many of these long brackets have you seen jacking up the leaf springs of an otherwise stock rear end on an old car....

"poser" = "poser"
"tuner" = "hotrodder"
"show car" = "cruiser"
"ricer" = "grease monkey"
"drifting" = well, I still think drifting is crap

You just don't get it.

What good is all that hardwork, time, MONEY, blood, sweat and tears when after all is said and done, you still have a CIVIC?????
No YOU don't get it. Same goes for an RX-8...
I have 4 cars including my RX-8 that are all kitted, and are finished from head to toe. I have done them right. One of them happens to be a 1987 Civic CRX, which is EXTREMELY hard to find parts for. I did everything Mugen, again difficult to do. It's not about what you end up with, it's weather or not you're happy with what you have.

www.ricecop.com

I hope I don't piss too many people off here... but the overall feel I get from this site is that it's average reader is probably 10-15 years older than I am (I'm 26) and they like one specific look (stock or MS only) and everything else is crap and disgusting and they will flame the pee out of you if you disagree.. this is why I generally don't get involved with these discussions :)

That being said, I don't really care what anyone else thinks of what my 8 will end up looking like :) If I like it, it's good, if I don't, it's crap.

HOWEVER.. the 8 in it's stock form is "ricey".. I've said this before.. it looks very jdm/japanish, with the big rolling front fenders and the bump in the hood... in 4 years, kids will be buying the "SUPER 8 KIT" for their civics, because that's how this stuff goes.. I think people need to pull back on their flamethrowers and not put stuff on their OWN CAR that they don't like... me modifying my 8's look is not "ruining" YOUR car, so who gives a damn?

where the hell were you guys a year ago

I had to fight dozens of people on my own ^^^^^^^^^^

gimme a break, moogle and i got into a little debate about this: in short, i win, Vielside is a joke.

"they have a wind tunnel"... and?? any PhD's in fluid dynamics employed there?? have they ever produced aerodynamic numbers and disclosed to the public?? please. it's all style, with big ass holes punched in it. produce proof, and i will believe.

some are functional, vielside is not. high style for the show-car crowd, but not the height of high speed engineering (it's the motors, not the aero of the cars that's making all the difference)

btw, fibreglass will never be lighter than the stock panels (unless it's too flimsy to use in world speed records). polyurethane (the very pricey stuff) can be, though, as can aluminum, well done (ie, not rice) carbon fibre, and other materials as well...

Yeah I guess Auto Exe wind tunnel tests all of their kits for "style"

http://club.deathguard.org/upload/Showoff/airtunnel.jpg

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?postid=84427

Mike that Civic is CLEAN!

mike: like I said, the overwhelming majority of people here are just dead set in their ways, it's really not worth getting into it with them :)

Yeah I guess Auto Exe wind tunnel tests all of their kits for "style"

I think for liability issues most of these companies would have to do a very limited wind tunnel test. You wouldn't want a kit that at 130mph cause a lot of lift at the front or back of the car, which may cause someone to crash. That would = Law suits $$$.

I doubt that many, if any, of these companies optimize their bodykits for aerodynamics, they appear a little to extreme to be aerodynamically efficient. But they looks cool, so that's what matters :rolleyes:

I have offered my services to many car companies in the aerodynamics departments, and I have never heard back.

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?postid=84427


That spoler is alright :)

I have a simple definition of "rice". It's a mod that improves neither appearance nor performance nor comfort. It serves one function only: "LOOK AT ME! BECAUSE HEY, ATTENTION FOR A BAD REASON IS STILL ATTENTION!"

And ricers are NOT the modern version of hot rodders / gearheads / whatever you want to call them. No, their closest relatives on the aftermarket family tree would be the minitruckers, which was real big 10 years ago and seems like it's fizzled out a lot since then. Murals of ugly naked broads are out and faux performance is in.





Disclaimers: Not everyone who mods an import is a ricer. If you do something to actually increase performance, it is not rice by my definition above. And there is nothing wrong with making improvements to a car's appearance. And yes, there was/is plenty of tacky crap going way back in the days of custom rods and such.

Haven't read through these 8 pages or "RICE" and not sure if anyones added this.
A perfect example of rice is any exhaust or intake that goes on the 8.
FULL STOP.

Exhaust is made for better flow, this thing is loud, its big, it stands out but doesn't do its job, and that is to make the damn thing more powerful, it doesnt.

Haven't read through these 8 pages or "RICE" and not sure if anyones added this.
A perfect example of rice is any exhaust or intake that goes on the 8.
FULL STOP.

Exhaust is made for better flow, this thing is loud, its big, it stands out but doesn't do its job, and that is to make the damn thing more powerful, it doesnt.
You posting this is RICE. Take your "I like going on peaceful spirited drives through the countryside" ass and find another thread. My 8 is insanely loud. People love it.

I have a simple definition of "rice". It's a mod that improves neither appearance nor performance nor comfort. It serves one function only: "LOOK AT ME! BECAUSE HEY, ATTENTION FOR A BAD REASON IS STILL ATTENTION!"

And ricers are NOT the modern version of hot rodders / gearheads / whatever you want to call them. No, their closest relatives on the aftermarket family tree would be the minitruckers, which was real big 10 years ago and seems like it's fizzled out a lot since then. Murals of ugly naked broads are out and faux performance is in.





Disclaimers: Not everyone who mods an import is a ricer. If you do something to actually increase performance, it is not rice by my definition above. And there is nothing wrong with making improvements to a car's appearance. And yes, there was/is plenty of tacky crap going way back in the days of custom rods and such.

So wrong. We'll see in 10 years when this stuff is STILL around. The days of the big V-8 Muscle car are OVER. Who cares if Dodge has intro'd the HEMI. Their Magnum will follow the ways of everything else they build, it will be hot for a while and then it wil look dated as all of their products end up. I used to be a big muscle car head but I realized those cars are becoming a thing of the past.

You used to be able to slap a big carburetor on a car and open up the exhaust and have a fast car. Or cram the biggest engine you could find into your car in an afternoon with a do-it-yourselfer's tool box and a buddy's help, but now you can't even get modern cars running right witout a dyno and some ability to tune it.

Hell even tuners like SHM (sean hiland motorsports) known for their Mustang tuning abilities are tuning cars like RSX's.

Small displacement cars with big HP are the thing of the future. Hell I was tuning my 1st DSM car in 1992 over 12 years ago. That was back when I was using Allied Signal turbos off of over the road diesel trucks.

The days of the big V-8 Muscle car are OVER.

Why?
Different strokes for different folks 'showoff'

I would never ever consider buy an economy car and making it 'unique' I would however, consider buying a modern muscle car.

Why?
Different strokes for different folks 'showoff'

I would never ever consider buy an economy car and making it 'unique' I would however, consider buying a modern muscle car.

Camaro- dead
Mustang- Don't get me started, might as well be
Firebird/TA- Dead
Magnum- WTF? It's a glorified station wagon. It'll lose it's "pizazz" soon enough

If there is soooo much demand for these cars then why are the "Big 3" killing them off?

Why?
Different strokes for different folks 'showoff'

I would never ever consider buy an economy car and making it 'unique' I would however, consider buying a modern muscle car.

Camaro- dead
Mustang- Don't get me started, might as well be
Firebird/TA- Dead
Magnum- WTF? It's a glorified station wagon. It'll lose it's "pizazz" soon enough

If there is soooo much demand for these cars then why are the "Big 3" killing them off?

A lot of the guys I work with have teenage kids in the 13-14 year old range. You know what they all want to have for their 1st car. Ususally a sport compact. I really don't hear any of them asking their parents for a Mustang or a Camaro. These kids are the future, they will be on the showroom floors of America in a few years buying their first new car. The only 2 door V-8 muscle car they can choose from is the Mustang. Trust me they are not beating down the doors trying to get one. The middle aged guy is the typical buyer on that car. The Magnum isn't marketed at the youth market, the SRT-4 is.

So wrong. We'll see in 10 years when this stuff is STILL around. The days of the big V-8 Muscle car are OVER. Who cares if Dodge has intro'd the HEMI. Their Magnum will follow the ways of everything else they build, it will be hot for a while and then it wil look dated as all of their products end up. I used to be a big muscle car head but I realized those cars are becoming a thing of the past.



You missed the point of my post entirely. I have nothing against imports. I have an RX-8, after all.

I am not saying that performance modifications ("tuning", "hot rodding", etc.) are the exclusive realm of traditional V8 muscle cars by any means. There are plenty of guys making RX-7's, Supras, Miatas, Z's, etc. faster. Those are not ricers. "Rice", by my humble definition, is mods that don't make the car faster, but don't make the car look better either. They are faux performance mods that look like dog shit.

Camaro- dead
Mustang- Don't get me started, might as well be
Firebird/TA- Dead
Magnum- WTF? It's a glorified station wagon. It'll lose it's "pizazz" soon enough

If there is soooo much demand for these cars then why are the "Big 3" killing them off?

A lot of the guys I work with have teenage kids in the 13-14 year old range. You know what they all want to have for their 1st car. Ususally a sport compact. I really don't hear any of them asking their parents for a Mustang or a Camaro. These kids are the future, they will be on the showroom floors of America in a few years buying their first new car. The only 2 door V-8 muscle car they can choose from is the Mustang. Trust me they are not beating down the doors trying to get one. The middle aged guy is the typical buyer on that car. The Magnum isn't marketed at the youth market, the SRT-4 is.

Camaro--soon to return, actually; but GM cannot discuss it publicly due to a legal contract signed with Quebec over the name "Camaro". And the "big 3" (2?) killed them off--along with just about all of their other cars--because they were shortsighted and went after the pickup/SUV market and neglected them.

(If you want to say that the younger crowd isn't real hot on the whole retro style trend--yeah, I'll agree. I think the Mustang and/or a resurrected Camaro would have a lot of appeal if they just had a more forward-looking style to them. I think Ford has forgotten that the original Mustang was actually a somewhat futuristic Italian-looking type car, not a retro-machine. For it's price tag, I think the Mustang GT is plenty competitive however.)

Kids want a sport compact, there's a surprise. A very, very stupid movie comes out, aimed at the high school demographic, in which (mostly) economy cars clad in tacky fiberglass crap and big sparkly bling are portrayed as being too fast and too furious. Wow, slick marketing and hollywood pulp influence gullible youths, film at 11. :rolleyes:

Let's be honest, most kids driving a riced out civic or cavalier or what have you are driving it because it's what they can afford. Or their parents are willing to pay.

showoff
you make several valid points
I understand what you are saying

i always kinda thought of my Integra as pushing the rice envelope...but i tell ya...after FI and Nitrous..it wasn't much of an economy car anymore..

i did get smarter though...i purchased a 95 300zx SMZ for my second car...

While I have respect for the amount of work that went into a car like that, I just can't respect the actual car, IMO. With FI and nitrous that car was probably pushin a ton power through the front wheels, it just seems ass backwards to me. That is my single biggest complaint with tuners today. If I were a kid right now, I would be petitioning car companies to make an affordable RWD car, to hell with this FWD bs. A RWD civic type R would be a sweet little car.

The coolest sport compact I ever saw was a a Toyota? Starlet, I think. Anyhow, it was naturally rwd, about the size of a golf. That thing just looked like a blast to drive.

300zx though, thats good shit right there.

I think the degeneration of this thread proves my point very succinctly. Rice is, as proven here, anything that you don't like :) Can we all move along now? :) I'll go back to spending *MY* money on what *I* like.. not what you don't like or think is useless :)

who told you otherwise?

yes shiggins you're right...i was 18 when i first started on that car and now that i'm much older it just seems silly to me that i spent that much money and time on something of that nature...have you ever seen a FWD with slicks on the front? it is hilarious...i'll try and dig up some more pics from when it was actually at the track doing runs...these are 10-12 year old pics so it's hard to find them in the chaos that is our attic...but this car..being as it was...put my shop on the map when I opened it...and then i purchased the 300...now that really did my shop wonders until I almost was killed when a DOT truck sent a shovel through the gas tank...

xero
I think your integra looks good
I like the aero gear hood
is that stock paint?

I hope I don't piss too many people off here... but the overall feel I get from this site is that it's average reader is probably 10-15 years older than I am (I'm 26) and they like one specific look (stock or MS only) and everything else is crap and disgusting and they will flame the pee out of you if you disagree.. this is why I generally don't get involved with these discussions :)


Lol! You pretty much hit it right on the button w/ this statement haha no offense to anyone who attended, but an example that would match your "feel" would be the certain groups of people who showed up to our meets in the past. ive never seen so many people come to an rx8 meet to show off their barely modded 8's while admiring other plain jane rx8's. Thats all fine and good, but what trips me out is after getting a high from stock fenders and mazdaspeed parts, these people would then gather up to hate on fixed up 8's that attend, like one with HKS parts or GREDDY parts, wtf? Just one of the reasons I no longer attend lol alas i take it these people are the majority of this forum which is also why i dont get involved myself with these discussions :) I dont know why but that quote just reminded me of a couple people I saw at the meet and it made me laugh.

MikeB, are the meets still running, and how are they now? Dull? Exciting?

hmmm, I don't know man. I am sure some people on this site are like that, but I don't think the majority would 'hate on' a car because it doesn't have mazdaspeed parts.

For myself, I wouldn't show too much interest in a car that is all stickered up with a giant wing at 22's, but anything else will probably catch my attention. I think the problem is that there really aren't too many aftermarket parts out there for the 8's yet, at least as far as performance goes. It is hard to be different when there aren't a lot of different parts available, and the quality of some of the available aftermarket stuff is suspect at best. That is why I believe so many have a hard on for MS parts.

I will say this, some of the appearance mods out there are, to put it nicely, function follows form. That just isn't appealing to a lot of people, especially someone like me who has a doctorate in fluids and doesnt really did the 2f2f mentality.

shiggins, I understand the "functions follows form".. but if all we wanted to do was go fast, why are we driving cars? We should have street bikes, no? The way the 8 is styled stock is a great deal of style over substance.. but that's part of the package.. I just want my package to be different, bigger and better than everyone elses..

Hrm.. that sounded awful penile.. *shrug*

The days of the big V-8 Muscle car are OVER.
Yeah, I guess now we are evolving to the V10 muscle car. But my V8 supercharged muscle car will still have to do for a while.

shiggins, I understand the "functions follows form".. but if all we wanted to do was go fast, why are we driving cars? We should have street bikes, no? The way the 8 is styled stock is a great deal of style over substance.. but that's part of the package.. I just want my package to be different, bigger and better than everyone elses..

Hrm.. that sounded awful penile.. *shrug*

That's just it....modifying a car strictly for appearance is just as old as performance mods, and there's nothing wrong with it. However "rice" actually reduces both performance and appearance, in order to make your car look fast (in the same way that a hot wheels car "looks" fast).

Granted, there is a certain amount of a gray area between "racey" looking and "ricey" that not everyone will agree on. And then there are some things which are just flagrant rice-a-roni. Like a giant aluminum wing on a four-door FWD automatic economy sedan (corolla, cavalier, civic). Or the front end kits with ridiculous amounts of fins, scoops, and creases for no apparent reason. No, no, no.

SHOWOFF,
Like your nick suggest, you are simply a showoff, hence, ricey products best suits your driving style.

SHOWOFF,
Like your nick suggest, you are simply a showoff, hence, ricey products best suits your driving style.

Sorry bro but an Auto Exe body kit is hardly rice. Tein springs are not rice.

I have been to Bondurant school 2 times, and I have also attended Road Atlanta.

I know how to drive.

Your comment is RICE. Come on now, get a little more creative. You've got to do better than that.

Is this you?

http://club.deathguard.org/upload/Showoff/e-thug.jpg

Honestly I really don't think my car is rice.

http://club.deathguard.org/carimages/rx81.jpg

Nice picture. I'm not a big fan of the front end (to me, it makes the 8 look like a Z), but to each his/her own.

Honestly I really don't think my car is rice. Which, for the 3rd or 4th time is all that matters. :)

If anything I think the kit is a bit understated :D

Is it rice? :p

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rice

the pic does the talking

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rice

the pic does the talking


HAHAHAHA....what are the little wings for, does it fly?

Now this is rice.

http://www.extremedimensions.com/3878.html

Somewhere on another forum I've seen a link to a guy selling a fake blowoff valve sound kit. It's a bullhorn looking speaker thing with an electronic module that goes "PSSSSSHHH!" really loud when you shift. I'm not making this up.

Baron i know what your talking about, i have seen it on e-bay.

here's a link

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7936795028&category=46098&sspagename=WDVW#ebayphotohosting

This looks like a good thread to cover the 'Carlisle' Sound and Style (sic) Show.....

Some of these ricers are All Time Classix!!

http://zilvia.net/f/off-topic-chat/321517-carlisle-2010-pictures-what-you-missed.html

S

^ LoL. Definition of ricer completely- Epic

I always heard the term used as rice burner and is related as a term of chinese or foriegn cars that are cheap and plastic may have stickers that are accociated with performance parts but have none of the actual equipment in them.
May include.
5 inch exhaust tips with stock exhaust
shitty tuning
lots of fake stick on attachments e.g. hood vent, sport antenna
fake gauges or gauges for stupid things but look like boost gauges

rice is










...whatever you don't like, on someone else's car.

:icon_tup:

I consider it a mod or performance part that serves no purpose or is self defeating. Things like:
A gigantic wing on a car with a top speed of 85mph.
Loud obnoxious exhaust on a car with no performance potential.
A body kit that isnt painted or fits really poorly.
Rims fitted poorly and/or so big that the car is less drivable.

yea..stuff like that...

This looks like a good thread to cover the 'Carlisle' Sound and Style (sic) Show.....

Some of these ricers are All Time Classix!!

http://zilvia.net/f/off-topic-chat/321517-carlisle-2010-pictures-what-you-missed.html

S
Still cant get into my brain how these guys can be so cheap... Plain example where this phrase comes into play "if you are going to do a crappy job, just dont do it at all"

This looks like a good thread to cover the 'Carlisle' Sound and Style (sic) Show.....

Some of these ricers are All Time Classix!!

http://zilvia.net/f/off-topic-chat/321517-carlisle-2010-pictures-what-you-missed.html

S

Nice try... :squint:

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=197571

This is 1 hot mess. I saw this personally at Long Beach Spocom 2010. Rice written all over this 1. If u dont notice wut is wrong. I dont kno wut to tell u. Enjoy!! LMFAO!

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i248/char333lie/TopFuel.jpg

It goes on a case by case basis. I'm sure a guy with a Terminator Cobra thinks my car is rice (that would explain why they keep doing flyby's at me). I once saw a beat up old Civic that had his DRUM brakes painted red. Not even bright red, more like mahogany or rust red.

There's actually a car on my base that would fit this thread perfectly. I'll see if I can find it and snap a pic. Its bad.

Rice comes from rice burner which started as a derogatory term thrown at the JDM automotive market upon it's entry into the us market. it has evolved into a derogatory term we throw at each other to justify our own shitty modifications. ex. "That dudes spoiler is f****** rice, man dude guy" mike b, i personally don't like the fenders or hood on your civic, but i appreciate the time, effort, and love you put into it. you didn't spray paint your car (i've done this... long story) you didn't piece together your shit poorly. overall i wouldn't designate it as rice. i've owned civics. i've done some ricey shit. but the fact that it was in the 11's usually shut up anybody who had anything to say about it.

Edit: ANYONE who puts a 200 mph test proof spoiler on a 120 mph car with no intention of ever making it that fast, does not have my blessing, regarless of the time money and effort spent on the park bench