View Full Version : More on new Rx-7 and a US version of Mazda6 from Motor Trend


Macius8
12-08-2007, 12:37 AM
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Rotary Xperiment
12-08-2007, 01:35 AM
Does the article say that the 8 will also get the 16X??

8 Maniac
12-08-2007, 01:46 AM
Does the article say that the 8 will also get the 16X??

read... I found the answer in about 5 seconds...

LateralSpeed
12-08-2007, 01:51 AM
read... I found the answer in about 5 seconds...

lol owned.

remy117
12-08-2007, 01:57 AM
16x for 40th anniversary?
i dun think so =/

Macius8
12-08-2007, 02:10 AM
16x for 40th anniversary?
i dun think so =/

read....45th anniversary :)

Zephyrzone
12-08-2007, 02:28 AM
I hope the Taiki is released and looks just like that. Because it will make my 8 look so much better when parked next to it. That is one hideous beast of an automobile. The thought of a 1.6 for the RX8 really peaks my interest but I have to think that 08, maybe 09 is the last year for the 8 in the US. Sales are closing in on 0.

Rotary Xperiment
12-08-2007, 03:26 AM
read... I found the answer in about 5 seconds...

LOL. Ever heard of a RHETORICAL question?

remy117
12-08-2007, 04:48 AM
Does the article say that the 8 will also get the 16X??

read... I found the answer in about 5 seconds...

lol owned.

LOL. Ever heard of a RHETORICAL question?

lol owned.

Gopherage
12-08-2007, 10:48 AM
I hope the Taiki is released and looks just like that. Because it will make my 8 look so much better when parked next to it. That is one hideous beast of an automobile. The thought of a 1.6 for the RX8 really peaks my interest but I have to think that 08, maybe 09 is the last year for the 8 in the US. Sales are closing in on 0.

I'd hold on to your 8 then too so when people go damn this new Rx7 is ugly i miss those sharp looking 8's I wonder if i can find one and put a 16x in it. Then we will actually have a reasonable resale value for once. (If you actually want to see it, I know i don't)

alnielsen
12-08-2007, 11:02 AM
I'd hold on to your 8 then too so when people go damn this new Rx7 is ugly i miss those sharp looking 8's I wonder if i can find one and put a 16x in it. Then we will actually have a reasonable resale value for once. (If you actually want to see it, I know i don't)In 5 yrs, do you really think the resale value on a present day RX8 will be good? I didn't buy the car for it's resale value. I bought the car to drive. And I will be driving it into the ground.

Renesis_8
12-08-2007, 11:08 AM
Why are they building Mazda6 in the US AGAIN! I had high hopes for this new 6 until I saw this. US built Mazdas suck.
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ASH8
12-08-2007, 11:27 AM
I read here that your new 6 was going to be Japan made, how wrong they were.

I did think at the time "where would Mazda Japan find the capacity to build a US only larger version of around 7000 units a month", well they just do not have that capacity.
I agree, I would much rather the Japaneses made 6 than the US version...
IMO US made Mazda's drag down their quality ratings.

Renesis_8
12-08-2007, 11:58 AM
Its too bad that a Euro/JDM Mazda6 would not fit the average American and their families comfortably.
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drifter_d
12-08-2007, 12:07 PM
I bought the car to drive. And I will be driving it into the ground.

Someone after my own heart! Unless I total it, there's plenty of replacement OEM and Aftermarket parts that'll fix whatever I can break... 16X huh? hmmmm....

dd sends...

zoom44
12-08-2007, 01:47 PM
some one is either feeding us some bs or mazda is even more close to the vest than usual.either way even im starting to have hope for that "r-tuned" model with a 16x. lets see if we cant find out which. stay tuned....

8 Maniac
12-08-2007, 02:05 PM
LOL. Ever heard of a RHETORICAL question?

nope! actually didnt see that second question mark and cant read tones on the internet all the time =( and with the newby questions floating around recently... my bad! lol

on topic: does seem interesting... wonder if these articles just spawn off each other or if they have accurate info... guess time will tell.

zoom44
12-08-2007, 02:06 PM
oh they definitely spawn from each much of the time

Mikeluvs8
12-08-2007, 09:50 PM
cool my 8 will be paid off by then!!!

alfy28
12-09-2007, 02:49 AM
cool my 8 will be paid off by then!!! lol i was going ot say the same.

faboo
12-09-2007, 05:01 AM
Let me start by saying that I dont know rotaries

...now....how much of a real world diff. will there be with a bump from 1.3 to 1.6L

as in where do u think the powerband will be shifted or changed???

Spin9k
12-09-2007, 06:54 AM
Let me start by saying that I dont know rotaries

...now....how much of a real world diff. will there be with a bump from 1.3 to 1.6L

as in where do u think the powerband will be shifted or changed???

Roughly give er take 23% better lol, real world. Seriously thou, real world includes car. In a same weight or light(er) car, it should excel acceleration, mid-range grunt, and top end power. In a heavier car, we'll be no better off or worse relative to the RENESIS in the RX-8.

No one knows about the powerband yet. It's all up to Mazda whim, global emmisions regs, and engineering possibilities yet to be discovered. One might guess as in other engines, more cc's = more HP, less rpm's, but then the rotary is not your normal engine ;)

zoom44
12-09-2007, 12:22 PM
the 16x should pull 300 on an engine dyno

Zephyrzone
12-09-2007, 07:04 PM
the 16x should pull 300 on an engine dyno

Oh, if that's true and it goes in the 8 then I'm trading mine in. Maybe they'll even add auto climate control and headlights.

refugeefrompistons
12-09-2007, 07:20 PM
Honestly, I do not think I would trade in my Rx-8 to purchase the next generation. I mean with how fast the Rx-8 depreciates, its gonna be worthless to trade in. What intrigues me the most is how they are gonna price this new rotary? I'll express this again, I would like to see it at reasonably priced at 40k and with only two seats. Make it a cheaper alternative to the GTR but much better than the lower tier sports cars like the current Rx-8, 350Z, and S2000. I believe 40k is not that much considering it is around the price of a fully loaded mid size SUV (CX-9) and its about 2/3 the price of the 3rd gen rx7, adjusted for inflation.

zoom44
12-10-2007, 11:45 AM
yepknew it (even though i had to double check) - no 16x next year.

Design1stCode2nd
12-10-2007, 11:51 AM
I'd have to give Mazda 3-4 years to iron out the bugs in a 16X. Just not taking a chance on a new engine design.

Its good to see we will have a large volume of choices in 2-4 years for a performance enthusiast.

WANKEL INFORMATION MINISTER
12-10-2007, 04:49 PM
some one is either feeding us some bs or mazda is even more close to the vest than usual.either way even im starting to have hope for that "r-tuned" model with a 16x. lets see if we cant find out which. stay tuned....

I can assure you that there is no bs here my friend. Soon, very soon, the engines of every 350z owner will be lubricated not with oil, but with bitter tears. Aside from the stunning engine, and a curb weight that will make shopping carts jealous, there are many other standard features which will cause much wailing and gnashing of teeth amongst the competition. For example, an MP3 player will come standard (pre-loaded with a copy of Chinese Democracy by Guns N Roses), along with a nav screen/Playstation combo (which will come with a copy of Duke Nukem Forever).

Renesis_8
12-10-2007, 05:59 PM
I can assure you that there is no bs here my friend. Soon, very soon, the engines of every 350z owner will be lubricated not with oil, but with bitter tears. Aside from the stunning engine, and a curb weight that will make shopping carts jealous, there are many other standard features which will cause much wailing and gnashing of teeth amongst the competition. For example, an MP3 player will come standard (pre-loaded with a copy of Chinese Democracy by Guns N Roses), along with a nav screen/Playstation combo (which will come with a copy of Duke Nukem Forever).

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r0tor
12-10-2007, 06:59 PM
can someone shoot the bastards that decided on giving us a fatter version of the current 6 instead of the brand new, slightly larger, slightly lighter, and definitely awesome new 6?

eviltwinkie
12-10-2007, 07:05 PM
I can assure you that there is no bs here my friend. Soon, very soon, the engines of every 350z owner will be lubricated not with oil, but with bitter tears. Aside from the stunning engine, and a curb weight that will make shopping carts jealous, there are many other standard features which will cause much wailing and gnashing of teeth amongst the competition. For example, an MP3 player will come standard (pre-loaded with a copy of Chinese Democracy by Guns N Roses), along with a nav screen/Playstation combo (which will come with a copy of Duke Nukem Forever).

I approve of the release of this information...god willing...the 350z owners will be boiled in the belly of the 16x...

Rotar Ackbar!!

350zFan
12-12-2007, 12:28 AM
*yawn*.. back to reality folks! :)

Shini
12-12-2007, 12:51 AM
*Puts on flame suit* Noob question Inc!

I don't know much about the rotary engine as far as specs go, yadda yadda, would like to know more though, so uh...

First rotary to be direct fuel injected vs. what?

I thought most cars/engines were direct fuel injection? :Wconfused

So what type does the 13B use then? I'm interested in knowing and very curious. Very noob as well, feel free to remind me about that ;)

eviltwinkie
12-12-2007, 01:20 AM
*Puts on flame suit* Noob question Inc!

I don't know much about the rotary engine as far as specs go, yadda yadda, would like to know more though, so uh...

First rotary to be direct fuel injected vs. what?

I thought most cars/engines were direct fuel injection? :Wconfused

So what type does the 13B use then? I'm interested in knowing and very curious. Very noob as well, feel free to remind me about that ;)

NOOOB!!!

Direct injection is different than how fuel and air are delivered now.

Currently the fuel injector sprays the fuel to mix with the air PRIOR to the combustion chamber.

Direct injection is different in that you are spraying the fuel DIRECTLY into the chamber.

It's more efficient to use DI for lots of reasons....

MikeW
12-12-2007, 01:12 PM
The new 16x has direct injection, but technically it isn't in the combustion chamber.

Shini
12-12-2007, 08:08 PM
NOOOB!!!

Direct injection is different than how fuel and air are delivered now.

Currently the fuel injector sprays the fuel to mix with the air PRIOR to the combustion chamber.

Direct injection is different in that you are spraying the fuel DIRECTLY into the chamber.

It's more efficient to use DI for lots of reasons....

Ahhhh. Interesting. Is that just called "fuel injection" or does it have a more technical term?

LateralSpeed
12-12-2007, 11:39 PM
Direct fuel injection was pioneered by Audi I believe?(feel free to correct if wrong) As has already been said it has many advantages.

Rx-8u-Up
12-13-2007, 01:28 PM
As the great chris farley put it. :bootyshak You are Correct! :lol:

Though the comment of the 16b being a new design kinda through me off. And you call yourself a rotorhead??? The 16b is not a new design by any means. They've been trying to make a Hi-cc 2rotor engine since everyone spewed there ignorance in the 90's about how the rotory engine is so ill-reliable. I think you can just google 16b and read some of the old articles. I can't wait for mazda to grow a pair and give us a damn tri-rotor in production!!!

zoom44
12-13-2007, 07:11 PM
The new 16x has direct injection, but technically it isn't in the combustion chamber.

yes it is- it sprays during compression