I think the opportunity has risen for me to trade my AT 2006 rx8 with 12k miles on it for a MT 2004 rx8 with 30k miles on it... straight trade. I currently have a VR 8 and this one is BB... and I always liked BB a little more. And obviously I would rather have the MT 8. Just don't know if the age difference is worth it... it's not too bad because at the rate I'm going I'm putting over 20k miles on my car a year... so it would be just like I had it for another year. I might even get an insurance break since it won't be red.

My dad's cosigned on the car with me, so would he have to be present for me to do anything?

I'm excited at the potential of getting a MT 8 so any help would be appreciated.

-Ted

DO IT!!

Huge difference!!...

It's much more fun then the AT...

you won't be sorry at all you will just find places to go and people to see for no good reason other than to drive around!!

do it...

do it, I have an AT and would do that trade in a heart beat

do it!! I'd be on it like a honit!

yes, you will love the 6 speed, its fun

Don't do it. You'll be going from a car with a bumper to bumper warranty to a car without one. (or soon to expire). Also the '04's have been having more engine replacement issues. Don't trade your newer car for an older one.:nono:

Agree with Shaunv74. If you want an MT and if you have some extra money on the side forget the straight trade and just trade your car in and get a newer MT.

i dunno, i just bought my 04 mt a couple months ago, and i havent had a problem yet

I've never had problems with my '04...other than the normal TSB's

Don't do it. You'll be going from a car with a bumper to bumper warranty to a car without one. (or soon to expire). Also the '04's have been having more engine replacement issues. Don't trade your newer car for an older one.:nono:

04's in general might have more engine replacements because they have higher miles on average??:dunno:
Maybe it's just a matter of time for the 05's and up to had replacements...:eek:

Guys I'm so down right now.

The 04 was gone. They had an 05 MT in VR... only 16k miles on it. That's 4k more than mine... did the test drive and all that. They went into the finance office and said they'd STILL do a straight trade. I'm cosigned with my dad so I had to call him up... I thought it would be a no-brainer... but he just doesn't understand cars.

He said a very firm "no" and made me feel really bad for even wanting to do it... how do I convince HIM that a MT is better? This car is only one year older and has about 2 months more miles on it (for my driving). It also has DSC, traction control, and foglights which mine does not have...

UGH!

Skip 04's and MT is way better than AT.

great deal to have to turn down - bummer .
Maybe if you told him that :
you want to get into autocross and AT's suck at that
MT's get better MPG than AT

just try and avoid the MT is faster line

MT= lot faster and funner. It would be hard to persuade dad to trade in a much newer, "seemingly" nicer, fully warranteed car based on the fact that the only real diff in his mind is that the MT is much faster and is more likely to get his son in an accident. He doesnt understand it from your perspective, a driver's perspective.

Guys I'm so down right now.

The 04 was gone. They had an 05 MT in VR... only 16k miles on it. That's 4k more than mine... did the test drive and all that. They went into the finance office and said they'd STILL do a straight trade. I'm cosigned with my dad so I had to call him up... I thought it would be a no-brainer... but he just doesn't understand cars.

He said a very firm "no" and made me feel really bad for even wanting to do it... how do I convince HIM that a MT is better? This car is only one year older and has about 2 months more miles on it (for my driving). It also has DSC, traction control, and foglights which mine does not have...

UGH!

Your Dad is thinking economically. You're being taken for a ride by the dealership. Of course they'll give you a straight trade on an older car for a newer one. Think for a minute. You should find out what your car is worth compared to the older one. It's a whole extra year of depreciation. Now if they gave you a trade plus the difference in depreciation your Dad would probably sign up for that.

Your Dad is thinking economically. You're being taken for a ride by the dealership. Of course they'll give you a straight trade on an older car for a newer one. Think for a minute. You should find out what your car is worth compared to the older one. It's a whole extra year of depreciation. Now if they gave you a trade plus the difference in depreciation your Dad would probably sign up for that.

dealers are in business to make money - which they would do on this deal . The OP just wants an MT . To lose a few $1000 on paper may not be as important to him

Agreed. But it probably is to his Dad who is co-signing his loan that apparently still needs to be paid off.

It's not a loan... the car is paid for. The title is just in both of our names.

fine. My point is still the same. I am suggesting that the financial issue is your Dad's concern and you should come up with a solution to address it so your Dad will give you the okay. EG: Find out the difference in value between the car you want and car you have and try to get the dealer to cover the difference. Or find out why your Dad doesn't want you to do it and come up with a solution so he says yet.

true story

Guys I'm so down right now.

The 04 was gone. They had an 05 MT in VR... only 16k miles on it. That's 4k more than mine... did the test drive and all that. They went into the finance office and said they'd STILL do a straight trade. I'm cosigned with my dad so I had to call him up... I thought it would be a no-brainer... but he just doesn't understand cars.

He said a very firm "no" and made me feel really bad for even wanting to do it... how do I convince HIM that a MT is better? This car is only one year older and has about 2 months more miles on it (for my driving). It also has DSC, traction control, and foglights which mine does not have...

UGH!

I dont know what your age is. Late teens or early 20s? I am 24 by the way...not to bad :)

Anyway, coming to the point, Looks like your equation is 05 MT = 06 AT + 4K? Thats a pure rip off. I think in 06 AT has more than 200 HP and it has 6 speed sport tronic shifter. I wouldnt take all this trouble for a little more fun + you do have lot of years ahead, cars are only going to get better in future!

That doesn't make sense... Why would you trade a new car for an old car??? Manual or not big deal. Just use the manual mode in the AT. An 2004 has tons of problems that needed all those fixes. The problems were all worked out and 2006 don't have the same problems.

BIG...BIG mistake...DON"T DO IT!

I think the opportunity has risen for me to trade my AT 2006 rx8 with 12k miles on it for a MT 2004 rx8 with 30k miles on it... straight trade. I currently have a VR 8 and this one is BB... and I always liked BB a little more. And obviously I would rather have the MT 8. Just don't know if the age difference is worth it... it's not too bad because at the rate I'm going I'm putting over 20k miles on my car a year... so it would be just like I had it for another year. I might even get an insurance break since it won't be red.

My dad's cosigned on the car with me, so would he have to be present for me to do anything?

I'm excited at the potential of getting a MT 8 so any help would be appreciated.

-Ted

04 has more engine problem simply because

They suffered the most damage, Cuz they came out first. the problem show up after the engine got their slow and painful death. the fix wasnt *out* until about 1 and 1/2 year model later.

Dont get 04. avoid them. but try to trade it in with MT.

I dont know what your age is. Late teens or early 20s? I am 24 by the way...not to bad :)

Anyway, coming to the point, Looks like your equation is 05 MT = 06 AT + 4K? Thats a pure rip off. I think in 06 AT has more than 200 HP and it has 6 speed sport tronic shifter. I wouldnt take all this trouble for a little more fun + you do have lot of years ahead, cars are only going to get better in future!

Most parents think that in today's standard, Manual Transmission is simply pathetic. Whats wrong with Automatic ? They shift it for you, you dont have to care about anything. and its just driving a car. no need to make it so complicated.

They dont understand that most Automatic transmission, even after what, 20-30 years of development ? Still inferior to the Manual Transmission brother (Assume that the person who drives knows how to use MT property)

Even super automatic transmission like the ones they use in Ferrari, is based on MT setups, the *only* automatic part is that the car will do the shifting for you. thats it. Hell those tranny can even Rev match for you.

but if you cant afford it on your own, maybe you should stop thinking about it for now, work hard, earn your own money, buy it yourself. cuz it feels completely different when you buy something with your own money. begging sucks.

exactly, stop being a pos, jk

Manual or not big deal. Just use the manual mode in the AT.

Rrrriiiight


An 2004 has tons of problems that needed all those fixes. The problems were all worked out and 2006 don't have the same problems.

Rrrriiight... tons of problems like "go to the dealer, get them to do the TSBs, walk out".

Don't make it sound worst than it is... I have a second-hand, "cursed VIN" 2004 and the "ton of problems" so far was "changing the spark plugs". As long as he understands that the dealer is doing this because they'll profit from it and that he does his homework, namely inspecting the car, getting a carfax and as much info on previous owners as possible... it could be a good deal.

BTW you can flood the engine or blow the seals on a 2006 just like you can on a TSB'ed 2004. ;)

exactly, my 04 has been running strong for 32,000 miles. I change the oil regularly along with other maintance, keep the car looking nice, and i am up to date with the updates.

Don't do it. You'll be going from a car with a bumper to bumper warranty to a car without one. (or soon to expire). Also the '04's have been having more engine replacement issues. Don't trade your newer car for an older one.:nono:


werd...don't trade for an '04

I would use the DSC as yoiur trigger for your dad. That's a BIGTIME safety thing. Tell him you jsut found otu that other car has it, and that is why you spun out in yoru current car the last time it rained. Go out for a Test Drive when it's raining and say you felt much more safe and comfortable abotu the car.

Thing is with the value, is that the Auto loses it's value faster then the stick, it's supply and demand, and Few want the Auto. The '05-'06 swap the dealer proposed is very fair. Of course there is a difference between Wholesale and Retail, and that is usually more then the 1 yer in model year, especially when considering that the one they are selling is better equipped(DSC, HID's, stick...).

Unless you own and paid for the car which doesn't sound like you do, your dad pwns you. So suck it up and mature. Be glad that your dad got you an RX8.

'Ton's' is just so that I don't have to go into explaining about the 'TSB's'. Its a bother to have to go to the dealer all the time or sorry once in a while... And I've never flooded or burnt my engine out. :rolleyes: And I've done quick starts like moving from the road to my garage.

Rrrriiiight




Rrrriiight... tons of problems like "go to the dealer, get them to do the TSBs, walk out".

Don't make it sound worst than it is... I have a second-hand, "cursed VIN" 2004 and the "ton of problems" so far was "changing the spark plugs". As long as he understands that the dealer is doing this because they'll profit from it and that he does his homework, namely inspecting the car, getting a carfax and as much info on previous owners as possible... it could be a good deal.

BTW you can flood the engine or blow the seals on a 2006 just like you can on a TSB'ed 2004. ;)