Well considering my car is delayed! :mad: I thought I would revisit the forum and have some fun with IKE..lol......I thought this would peak his interest. I have ordered (back in FEB!) a 335i sedan with sport and premium package......looking at strickly accel comparisons, I think these two would be a good match.....from what I have read I noticed the 0-60 times are close, but the BMW traps higher in the 1/4?...and the 0-100 times are also in favor of the 335 but 1sec+ with the margin increasing as you approach 130mph.

oh and for arguments sake both cars are stock.

2wd vs. awd? 0-60 is probably bumped up for the 335 because you only need 1 shift to get to 60 (2 in the STi) but i gotta say putting that power to the ground in first gear is a test of skill for the bimmer. But goddam does it fly when you get it right, 4k miles on the clock and the exhaust and intake is opening up a bit so that you can finally hear when the boost hits so the launches have been juicier. The bimmer has more torque than the STi which may be why it traps higher.

Great choice, I have been seriously looking at the 335i. Some nice add ons are coming out for the 335i as well -

http://www.vishnutuning.com/bmw_zero.htm

On the road, I think it's pretty much a drivers contest. E39 M5 owners have definitely taken note of the 335i.

a 3.0 liter i6 vs 2.5 liter i4, its supposed to have acceleration advantage as well as better torque curve...

I got the auto with the paddle shift as well....I noticed some guys on the Bimmer forums still getting 13.5's in the 1/4 with the auto :)

I even think on C&D one of the cars they tested was the auto and they managed 4.9 0-60........the waiting has been killing me, now with the CN strike my car is delayed a further 3-6weeks?

I do think from a roll the 335 would pull on an STI.

from a roll i would definitely agree, the torque on the 335 is intense (for those of us used to the rx8 ;) ) but ive only driven the manual, have no idea what the auto's like or how to properly launch an auto for that matter.

btw ike drives an evo not sti...

I have driven both, and I must say the auto feels just as quick......I wanted a change and actually really liked the feel of the auto...having the paddle shift was a nice option, and the rev matching downshifts were great......on my first test drive the salesman was really pushing me to "push the car"..lol...at one light we release the traction control and I simply floored it.....the car took off like a rocket.......this was on a stretch of road leading to a highway out of town..I looked down and had to hit the brake as we hit 100mph in no time...what I did notice in the auto is the shift from 1st to second there is a nice hard pull all the way to redline...no drop off in power.

im thinking of possibly leasing a coupe next year, previous ownership of bmw in my family has taught me that leasing is perfect for me because it cost an arm and leg to maintain once warranty runs out.

Is the auto the smg like in the m3? Or is it a traditional auto orbital gear deal with a torque converter? I would still miss 3 pedals even with the smg. The BMW is pretty potent for a non-m car for sure. I just don't know if I'm sold on the Bangle esque styling. That said the appearance of the STI is definately lacking in comparison to the BMW. I've only driven the previous gen M3 and have driven the STI. In a purely driving/dynamic sense, I preferred the sti, but the new 335i seems to have struck a pretty potent blend of performance and luxury, at least on paper. Might make the decision very tough.

the performance on the 335 in terms of the twisties is surprisingly good given its alleged porkiness...steering response is tighter than the 8 imho (actual maneuverability is a different issue but response is excellent)

no smg

In the 1/4 and on the streets from a dig the STI will have an edge. On the highway the 335 will pull.

P.S. The STI engine is not an i4

oh yeah its a boxter

oh yeah its a boxter
Boxer* H4, same time porsche uses. If your going to compare the 335 to an AWD car, go for the Evo. Ive been a STI fan but I gotta hand it to the Evo's for acceleration (Yeah I know its mainly because of the computers =P)

Boxer* H4, same time porsche uses. If your going to compare the 335 to an AWD car, go for the Evo. Ive been a STI fan but I gotta hand it to the Evo's for acceleration (Yeah I know its mainly because of the computers =P)

The computers don't help acceleration. The Evo is faster because of the bigger turbo and better engine setup.

i thought the sti has always been a tad bit faster in the straight line, at least when stock?

I never really got to enjoy my evo 8 from a dig as the transfer cases are made of glass. You either have to dump it hard and high, obliterate the tires and put negative drive through the aforementioned fragile transfer case, or you have to vaporize the clutch. Neither option is appealing or inexpensive. Had I gone STI 4 years ago, I'd probably still be driving it. The evo may be quicker on paper, and ultimately have a better chassis on the track. Day to day though the sti is the better choice IMO, and this is from a former evo owner of 2 years. I regretted purchasing that car.

I never really got to enjoy my evo 8 from a dig as the transfer cases are made of glass. You either have to dump it hard and high, obliterate the tires and put negative drive through the aforementioned fragile transfer case, or you have to vaporize the clutch. Neither option is appealing or inexpensive. Had I gone STI 4 years ago, I'd probably still be driving it. The evo may be quicker on paper, and ultimately have a better chassis on the track. Day to day though the sti is the better choice IMO, and this is from a former evo owner of 2 years. I regretted purchasing that car.

Yeah, and the WRX tranny is made of glass as well... I've launched my Evo multiple times, same goes for my WRX, no problems. If you know how to drive them right you won't have issues.

well in either case launching a 335i is a heavenly inline 6 scream supplemented by a beautiful whistling sound of turbos with just a hint of that wonderful tire squeal, and there ain't no glass transfer case either

i thought the sti has always been a tad bit faster in the straight line, at least when stock?

They were about even... But, since '05 the Evo has been faster. Stock Evo IX's have been known to trap as high as 107 mph and a more than a few people have run 12's stock.

well in either case launching a 335i is a heavenly inline 6 scream supplemented by a beautiful whistling sound of turbos with just a hint of that wonderful tire squeal, and there ain't no glass transfer case either
you cant hear the turbos even if you try, they are silent. i tried hard to listen for it when i test drove it, couldnt hear anything. and the inline 6 dosnt exactly scream either, the exhaust sounds nice but its a very quite car.

you cant hear the turbos even if you try, they are silent. i tried hard to listen for it when i test drove it, couldnt hear anything. and the inline 6 dosnt exactly scream either, the exhaust sounds nice but its a very quite car.
wait till you get a couple thousand miles on the clock, the intake opens up and you can hear that wonderful whistle ever so slightly before you're drowned in that 7000 rpm symphony. the test drive car isnt seasoned...these babies need to be broken in. its not very quiet from the outside btw.

wait till you get a couple thousand miles on the clock, the intake opens up and you can hear that wonderful whistle ever so slightly before you're drowned in that 7000 rpm symphony. the test drive car isnt seasoned...these babies need to be broken in.
im pretty sure it redlines around 6400ish
*nm seems i dont remember correctly, it does go to 7k

im pretty sure it redlines around 6400ish
*nm seems i dont remember correctly, it does go to 7k
went on a midnight run to show ya it does go to 7k lol after my long day at work i needed a little driving excitement
http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=99449&stc=1

nice :) more pics!

Yeah, and the WRX tranny is made of glass as well... I've launched my Evo multiple times, same goes for my WRX, no problems. If you know how to drive them right you won't have issues.

I never even attempted to launch mine. I heard enough horror stories, and my mitsu dealer sucked for warranty work if god forbid something did go wrong. After test driving the sti again, I really wish I had gone that way, a little less harsh for day to day on new england roads. Also define driving them right, launching a production car isn't wizardry, and its relatively hard on any car.

I never even attempted to launch mine. I heard enough horror stories, and my mitsu dealer sucked for warranty work if god forbid something did go wrong. After test driving the sti again, I really wish I had gone that way, a little less harsh for day to day on new england roads. Also define driving them right, launching a production car isn't wizardry, and its relatively hard on any car.

Launch so you get a little wheel spin and you're relatively safe. No, it's not good for them, but that goes for launching any car. I launched my DSM daily, sometimes several times a day and in 100K+ miles all I replaced was the clutch with over 90k. The people complaining about the transfer case on the Evo and the tranny in the WRX don't know how to drive them right in most cases. Also, owning a car like an Evo and never launching it is like dating a hot chick and never having sex with her.

Launch so you get a little wheel spin and you're relatively safe. No, it's not good for them, but that goes for launching any car. I launched my DSM daily, sometimes several times a day and in 100K+ miles all I replaced was the clutch with over 90k. The people complaining about the transfer case on the Evo and the tranny in the WRX don't know how to drive them right in most cases. Also, owning a car like an Evo and never launching it is like dating a hot chick and never having sex with her.


True on that last statement. The STI must just be a different story then the WRX. I launched the piss out of that car for 28k miles. You don't even wanna know what I did to it on the way to pick up my Speed 6. LOL I remember being reluctant when I got it, but that car gave me confidence the more I did it and how I learned to do it. I started out with mild launches, then worked my way up.

Yes, any kind of hard launching is abuse no matter how good you are at it, and you are always taking the chance of breaking something, but you can't own a car like this and never at least do it a couple times. Defeats the purpose, but people do buy these cars for their power and year round function, and you don't have to launch to go fast, so I suppose I'll let it slide. The EVO though just isn't the right choice if you are looking for a fast daily driver, to use just as much for commuting as you are fun. STI is clearly the better choice if for no other reason then the lower boost and bigger displacement. It's just easier to live with. ;)

Launch so you get a little wheel spin and you're relatively safe. No, it's not good for them, but that goes for launching any car. I launched my DSM daily, sometimes several times a day and in 100K+ miles all I replaced was the clutch with over 90k. The people complaining about the transfer case on the Evo and the tranny in the WRX don't know how to drive them right in most cases. Also, owning a car like an Evo and never launching it is like dating a hot chick and never having sex with her.

I never did launch it lol, but I'll take your word for it on surviving. I don't really launch anything ever for the most part. I had a friend who used to take his evo to E-Town alot and he blew through 2 transfer cases, granted he was a hammer with that car though. He replaced it with a z, go figure. As far as the hot chick analogy, well I would say the virtues of the evo go beyond its straight line ability.

lol...IKE I knew you come out defending your STI!...lol....and you still quote yourself about how you've seen STI's run 12's stock...I haven't seen one mag time yet showing anyting close (04's-07's)......froma dead stop the STI may get the jump, but judging by the 0-100 times the 335 have the advantage...look at the numbers...there is anywhere from .9sec-1.1secs difference depending what mag you read....what if I told you I've seen a 335 run low 13's without any trouble?...you'd probably throw it right back at me and provide links to some mad times. etc. etc.

I know the 08's are potentially getting a power boost, but I believe the 04-07's run 13.5's in the 1/4?

anyway, I think it would be a good match, but from a roll in normal driving (not launching from a stop), the 335 might have the egde.

http://www.caranddriver.com/shortroadtests/11731/2007-bmw-335i-sedan-specs-page2.html

now aren't those times the same as the STI, with the 335 trapping higher... :)

The sti would still demolish the 335 on a road course, but day to day the BMW has got to be an awesome car.

just for a fair comparison...

a little blurb from C&D times on STI 0-60 and 1/4 times

http://www.caranddriver.com/shortroadtests/11731/2007-bmw-335i-sedan-specs-page2.html

looks pretty close to me, and as speeds increase the 335 has the edge. I don't agree with you IKE that on the streets from a roll (lets say 50kph), the STI would have the upper hand...in fact I think that is reversed based on all the info that I have read?..but like I said, very close.

and I agree, the STI would be better on a road course...the 335 isn't that kind of beast, although i was impressed with the handling when I took more than a few spirited runs in the auto and Manual :cwm27:

opps wrong link...lol.....

STI times


http://www.caranddriver.com/previews/12084/2007-subaru-wrx-sti-limited.html

I'm sure it still handles well, but you got to give up something to provide the kind of comfort and quiet you find in that car. A few years ago I would say that I would rather have the raw performance, now I think I'd rather have a little more refinement for everyday.

I'd take the 335i as a daily driver. The comfort and conveniences of the 335i are much greater than the STI.

just for a fair comparison...

a little blurb from C&D times on STI 0-60 and 1/4 times

http://www.caranddriver.com/shortroadtests/11731/2007-bmw-335i-sedan-specs-page2.html

looks pretty close to me, and as speeds increase the 335 has the edge. I don't agree with you IKE that on the streets from a roll (lets say 50kph), the STI would have the upper hand...in fact I think that is reversed based on all the info that I have read?..but like I said, very close.

and I agree, the STI would be better on a road course...the 335 isn't that kind of beast, although i was impressed with the handling when I took more than a few spirited runs in the auto and Manual :cwm27:

Are you retarded? Wait, don't answer that, I already know the answer... I said the 335 would have the advantage on the highway, meaning from a roll. I also said the STI would have the advantage from a DIG, meaning from a stop at the strip and on the streets. If you look at MT in Dec. '05 they ran a 13.0 in an STI, and yes, a few owners have run 12.9s in STI's. A few others mags have run low 13s as well. Lastly, I don't know why you're calling it my STI, I don't own and STI and never have...

True on that last statement. The STI must just be a different story then the WRX. I launched the piss out of that car for 28k miles. You don't even wanna know what I did to it on the way to pick up my Speed 6. LOL I remember being reluctant when I got it, but that car gave me confidence the more I did it and how I learned to do it. I started out with mild launches, then worked my way up.

Yes, any kind of hard launching is abuse no matter how good you are at it, and you are always taking the chance of breaking something, but you can't own a car like this and never at least do it a couple times. Defeats the purpose, but people do buy these cars for their power and year round function, and you don't have to launch to go fast, so I suppose I'll let it slide. The EVO though just isn't the right choice if you are looking for a fast daily driver, to use just as much for commuting as you are fun. STI is clearly the better choice if for no other reason then the lower boost and bigger displacement. It's just easier to live with. ;)

The tranny in the STI is stronger than the WRX, but my point was that the WRX tranny and Evo transfer case isn't as fragile as some people make them out to be.

I obviously disagree with your Evo comments, my Evo is my daily ride and I put on 250-400 miles a week in it. Sure, the STI is going to be better for most people as a daily ride. But, the Evo steering puts the STI steering to shame and it's a much more communicative car. The Evo also feels much lighter and more nimble than the STI, and I just love the modability of the 4G63. Those things make it more fun for me so I can live with the stiffer ride and fewer creature comforts. But yes, the Evo is not for the faint of heart.

Agree with all your points about the plusses of the evo versus the sti. I must be faint of heart because after 2 years I really wanted something a little mellower for the street. The sti might have been a better fit. The steering in the evo though was second to none.

I had toyed with the idea of putting tein coil overs in with the in car damper adjustment to soften it up for day to day use while still being able to put it in an agressive mode at the flick of the switch.

In terms of raw performance for the money, the car is unbeatable.

I never did launch it lol, but I'll take your word for it on surviving. I don't really launch anything ever for the most part. I had a friend who used to take his evo to E-Town alot and he blew through 2 transfer cases, granted he was a hammer with that car though. He replaced it with a z, go figure. As far as the hot chick analogy, well I would say the virtues of the evo go beyond its straight line ability.

u can get good launch on WRX, the trick is just ride the clutch. the tranny is kinda weak so as long as u don't get sudden grip u shouldn't break anything. especially since its AWD, when it grips, it freakin grips. ur gonna wear through ur clutch faster yeah, but i think replacing clutch is cheaper then tranny. u can still get fast times that way too if u launch correctly. it just takes a little more skill and patience. ppl break em cuz they too rough on it.

It was an evo firstly, and a clutch for that car was not cheap and obviously not warrantied. Launching a car by feathering the clutch is a death sentence for the clutch if done with any frequency. I guess if your cool shelling out the cash then by all means.

This whole thing is getting redundant. The evo is a great car, the sti is a great car, the bmw is a great car and the 8 is a great car. We're fortunate enough to live in a time where there is a broad selection of enthusiasts car and enough variety to suit everyone's needs.

This whole thing is getting redundant. The evo is a great car, the sti is a great car, the bmw is a great car and the 8 is a great car. We're fortunate enough to live in a time where there is a broad selection of enthusiasts car and enough variety to suit everyone's needs.
The the mid-90's to the early 2000's were not a good time for relatively affordable, quick and sporty/sport cars. The US market has seen a resurgence for these types of vehicles and its great for us car enthusiasts.

It really is a good time to be an enthusiast. After my accident in january I must have driven 15 different candidates for a new car. Pretty much everything I tried was great. It allowed me to shop by form factor and price as there were enough options out there. Surprisingly the only car I really didn't care for was the G35, despite the fact that I liked the Z. Something got lost in translation with those two cars.

The sti would still demolish the 335 on a road course, but day to day the BMW has got to be an awesome car.
i dont know about demolish... the handling on the 335 is pretty goddamn good. Im not confident enough to go as fast around curves in it as i do the 8 but im getting there and im nowhere near a limit yet.

lol....oh IKE....I knew you'd find the best time for an STI and quote it...oh and calling someone retarded really shows your class :boring: I shouldn't be surprised...You are very funny...oh and don't worry I am not upset..lol...I feel sorry for you....I always wondered why someone who didn't own an 8 posts so much on this forum?..lol...you truely are a piece or work.

You really think your word is the bible! I didn't realize from a roll (50kph) is the same as comparing highway speeds??.... :) Yes from a dead stop maybe the STI has a slight edge, but from a roll, highway + normal driving you'd have to admit it is close with the edge going to the 335 (possibly)

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=31&article_id=2908&page_number=2

another comparison...just for you IKE!

I even think they screwed up on those numbers..I think the actual mad had the STI with the lower times??..can't remember

i dont know about demolish... the handling on the 335 is pretty goddamn good. Im not confident enough to go as fast around curves in it as i do the 8 but im getting there and im nowhere near a limit yet.
i think the 335 more than holds its own vs the sti on a race track, i do think sti probably have an advantage due to the traction and weight advantage, but i dont see sti or evo crushing or demolishing the 335 unless its on a rally course

Yes from a dead stop maybe the STI has a slight edge, but from a roll, highway + normal driving you'd have to admit it is close with the edge going to the 335 (possibly)


Last time I checked from a dig is from a dead stop, not kind of a stop, or almost stopped. Are you going to keep trying to prove me wrong by essentially repeating what I said in the first place? If I call someone retarded and it's true, is it still classless?

IKE you're pathetic...lol....keep hiding behind your computer little boy...I guess you have nothing better to do but post on this forum.. :cwm27:

Proving you wrong??...lol....you seem to think your word is the gold, and you know everything about everything. You are one of those guys I'd love to meet in person :) Yet I highly doubt there would be any name calling without the safety of your computer screen to hide you.

Some of your posts over the last few years have been insightful, but at times when anyone posts something slightly off what "you think" or what "you seem to believe", you become arrogant and narrowminded....I can't count how many times you've been the $!%! disturber when it came to the 8, or how many times you claimed to see a car "run this time" etc. and provide no proof yourself.

What you don't get is we were talking about the same thing in the first place...but as soon as someone even mentions a car having an edge on an STI, you've been the first to jump right in and try to dispute that.......from a dig, roll..whatever...my point is most mag times have them bang on, or a slight edge to the 335..I was indulging you with the fact that from a dig the STI may get a jump, but I am pretty sure it would not pull.....but if anything this topic has shown you do have no class, and resort BS name calling when you can hide behind your computer. ...keep up the good work!

IKE you're pathetic...lol....keep hiding behind your computer little boy...I guess you have nothing better to do but post on this forum.. :cwm27:

Proving you wrong??...lol....you seem to think your word is the gold, and you know everything about everything. You are one of those guys I'd love to meet in person :) Yet I highly doubt there would be any name calling without the safety of your computer screen to hide you.

Some of your posts over the last few years have been insightful, but at times when anyone posts something slightly off what "you think" or what "you seem to believe", you become arrogant and narrowminded....I can't count how many times you've been the $!%! disturber when it came to the 8, or how many times you claimed to see a car "run this time" etc. and provide no proof yourself.

What you don't get is we were talking about the same thing in the first place...but as soon as someone even mentions a car having an edge on an STI, you've been the first to jump right in and try to dispute that.......from a dig, roll..whatever...my point is most mag times have them bang on, or a slight edge to the 335..I was indulging you with the fact that from a dig the STI may get a jump, but I am pretty sure it would not pull.....but if anything this topic has shown you do have no class, and resort BS name calling when you can hide behind your computer. ...keep up the good work!

I'm the "$!%! disturber"? You're the one that was tryng to stir up shit from the start by starting this thread. Hell, our summation of the cars was about the same yet you still flip out because you seem to be lacking when it comes to the whole reading comprehension thing. I'm also the pathetic one with no class!?!? You're the one getting the tough guy attitude from behind you computer screen about some stupid car stats.

You say you haven't seen one mag get close to the times I was saying, I point you to a 13 flat run by a major mag, how is that not proof? I say on the streets from a dig the STI has an advantage but that the 335 has the advantage on the highway (from a roll). You fire back with "I don't agree with you IKE that on the streets from a roll (lets say 50kph), the STI would have the upper hand". You're disagreeing with something I never said in the first place. Could you possibly troll for an argument any harder? Shall we add insane to the list of "names" I'm calling you? How about nutjob, wacko, psycho?

lol...so predicable...I knew this thread would get you going!...go have a drink IKE (if you're old enough?) :Freak_ani

that's right..I I forgot..one mag time is proof!!..lol..weren't you the one saying many times over that 5.9-6.1 mag times for the 8 are not proof?....and that in real world driving it would be hard to duplicate...ok I know jumping topics, but it's amazing how you use mag stats when they suit your needs.....case in point.....should I post some rx8 times from motor trend or Car and Driver now and call them proof??..lol...we all know what your reaction would be..you'd brush those off and start quoting drag times you've witnessed by "expert" drivers I am sure..lol very convenient.

waayyy to easy to get you going....bring up RX8 times or talk about an STI and watch out! :spank:

Tough guy?...I am just saying it's easy to name call on here, and speaks volumes about the individual when more than likely they would not do it in person :}

Now go post your 7000+ blurb on a forum where you don't own, or have never owned an 8?

lol...so predicable...I knew this thread would get you going!...go have a drink IKE (if you're old enough?) :Freak_ani

that's right..I I forgot..one mag time is proof!!..lol..weren't you the one saying many times over that 5.9-6.1 mag times for the 8 are not proof?....and that in real world driving it would be hard to duplicate...ok I know jumping topics, but it's amazing how you use mag stats when they suit your needs.....case in point.....should I post some rx8 times from motor trend or Car and Driver now and call them proof??..lol...we all know what your reaction would be..you'd brush those off and start quoting drag times you've witnessed by "expert" drivers I am sure..lol very convenient.

waayyy to easy to get you going....bring up RX8 times or talk about an STI and watch out! :spank:

Tough guy?...I am just saying it's easy to name call on here, and speaks volumes about the individual when more than likely they would not do it in person :}

Now go post your 7000+ blurb on a forum where you don't own, or have never owned an 8?

So I'm the "shit stirrer" yet you just admitted that you were just trying to "get me going". Congrats, you got me to post in this thread like I would post in any other thread like this on any car forum. You're freaking brilliant!

i can cut the tension with a butter knife......


BMW FTW!!!! the pimp factor goes in the bimmers favor in the end. argument over.

yeah i think im gonna go on another bimmer joyride

no tension :}......IKE's just upset that my last post was bang on about his mag times being proof when all along in other posts (different threads) he has said otherwise!!..lol.....and yes IKE, you were so easy to bait :cwm27: and I think your true colors came out.


http://www.caranddriver.com/longroadtests/9838/long-term-test-mazda-rx-8-page4.html

well according to this link the 8 runs 0-60 in 5.9 and the 1/4 in 14.6 when broken in?

Just like you said IKE it's proof right?...lol..sorry couldn't resist.

i think the 335 more than holds its own vs the sti on a race track, i do think sti probably have an advantage due to the traction and weight advantage, but i dont see sti or evo crushing or demolishing the 335 unless its on a rally course

I doubt it, your talking about a heavier car, with a spring/damping package enginered with some degree of comfort in mind, a weight disadvantage, a drive train disadvantage and a more or less equal wheel tire package.

When your at a race track and you see a well driven sti or evo with some R compound rubber, you realize how athletic these cars are. I've never been too impressed with the later generation m3s etc. even on some serious rubber when I've seen them driven on the track. Granted these are impressions, and not empircal as the drivers are different etc. That said they appear pretty seriously out classed on the race track by the less compromised track bred offerings like the evo, sti, elise, zo6 etc. That diminishes them in no way as a road car though as the compromises in performance are made in favor of a more palletable street driving experience.

I remember Jeremy Clarkson driving the Evo FQ430 (or something like that) against a pro British Rally car driver in a Gallardo on the TG track. No matter how hard the pro driver tried - he could not shake off Clarkson.

But lets be frank here...which one would you rather have been in? As much as Ike loves his Evo - I'd bet my left nut that even he would pick the Gallardo. If he says otherwise - I'd call him a liar ;)

So on a lesser scale here - but why on earth would anyone compare a top of the range BMW (till the new M3 is released) to a Subaru? STi or not it is still a cheap clunker in comparison. Sure the STi maybe matches the 335i in terms of speed and likely out handles it by a little...but it will be giving up so much more in terms of class, refinement and finesse to name but a few. I'd take the 335i over an STi, Evo or an 8 anyday if I was willing/able to pony up.

Just curious - how much does an STi and a 335i cost in the states? To put things into perspective, a brand new 6MT from Mazda Singapore costs USD$72,000. And nope that aint a typo.

Oh and for the record a brand new 335i here would cost USD$160,000 and the STi USD$77,5000.

no tension :}......IKE's just upset that my last post was bang on about his mag times being proof when all along in other posts (different threads) he has said otherwise!!..lol.....and yes IKE, you were so easy to bait :cwm27: and I think your true colors came out.


http://www.caranddriver.com/longroadtests/9838/long-term-test-mazda-rx-8-page4.html

well according to this link the 8 runs 0-60 in 5.9 and the 1/4 in 14.6 when broken in?

Just like you said IKE it's proof right?...lol..sorry couldn't resist.

Oh noes, I've been baited!

And yes, I'd take the Gallardo in a heartbeat. But I want this one...

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=99520&stc=1

I doubt it, your talking about a heavier car, with a spring/damping package enginered with some degree of comfort in mind, a weight disadvantage, a drive train disadvantage and a more or less equal wheel tire package.

When your at a race track and you see a well driven sti or evo with some R compound rubber, you realize how athletic these cars are. I've never been too impressed with the later generation m3s etc. even on some serious rubber when I've seen them driven on the track. Granted these are impressions, and not empircal as the drivers are different etc. That said they appear pretty seriously out classed on the race track by the less compromised track bred offerings like the evo, sti, elise, zo6 etc. That diminishes them in no way as a road car though as the compromises in performance are made in favor of a more palletable street driving experience.

if anything the 335 has a drive train advantage over the sti, the 335 engine is very underated compared to the sti, automobile magazine had an article about this. on average they are making 285whp and 300wtq. being heavier is not enough to get it demolished by the sti.

I remember Jeremy Clarkson driving the Evo FQ430 (or something like that) against a pro British Rally car driver in a Gallardo on the TG track. No matter how hard the pro driver tried - he could not shake off Clarkson.

But lets be frank here...which one would you rather have been in? As much as Ike loves his Evo - I'd bet my left nut that even he would pick the Gallardo. If he says otherwise - I'd call him a liar ;)

So on a lesser scale here - but why on earth would anyone compare a top of the range BMW (till the new M3 is released) to a Subaru? STi or not it is still a cheap clunker in comparison. Sure the STi maybe matches the 335i in terms of speed and likely out handles it by a little...but it will be giving up so much more in terms of class, refinement and finesse to name but a few. I'd take the 335i over an STi, Evo or an 8 anyday if I was willing/able to pony up.

Just curious - how much does an STi and a 335i cost in the states? To put things into perspective, a brand new 6MT from Mazda Singapore costs USD$72,000. And nope that aint a typo.

Oh and for the record a brand new 335i here would cost USD$160,000 and the STi USD$77,5000.
335i with the sport package is $42,575. STi is $34,960. I agree the comparison isn't valid, but but for different reasons. You can't assume everyone who can afford either car would prefer the 335. I can say that because I'm one of the people who would prefer the STi. I don't have a problem with BMW (my wife drives an X5) but I prefer the fun type of driving that these types of cars (STi's, EVO's, 8's, Z's, etc.) inspire. And, I don't need the validation from others that you seem to imply would come from driving the more "prestigous" car. Of course, that being said, I'll take my Gallardo in red, please:)

I do think the STI has made "its mark" and is a fun car (driven in one a few times), but simply wasn't for me....and IMO I do not like the styling?

Money aside, I think the 335 offers a refined level of performance, and as mentioned here before, I think BMW understated the power of these engines as witnessed by most ( I think all?) of the tests on that car that easily beat the factory estimates.

I do miss the 8 though....that car was like a glove! by far the most planted I have felt on a road, but the bimmer holds its own....the sport package does make a difference.

335i with the sport package is $42,575. STi is $34,960. I agree the comparison isn't valid, but but for different reasons. You can't assume everyone who can afford either car would prefer the 335. I can say that because I'm one of the people who would prefer the STi. I don't have a problem with BMW (my wife drives an X5) but I prefer the fun type of driving that these types of cars (STi's, EVO's, 8's, Z's, etc.) inspire. And, I don't need the validation from others that you seem to imply would come from driving the more "prestigous" car. Of course, that being said, I'll take my Gallardo in red, please:)

x2 on this one. I still think the only BMWs worth owning are the M3 or M Coupe. Lets put it this way, we've all seen the articles etc about the 8 making up for lack of power with balance and handling. My ability to compete on a track with an M3 depends on the track setup. If we are at Tremblant, edge goes to M3 because there are more straights. NHIS, I'll take the edge because I can brake deeper, carry more speed into and through the corner, and less weight to move around. And none if this is saying BMWs are great cars, because they are. Problem is everyone and their mother, grandmother, kids, aunts, uncles, 2nd cousins, ex girlfriends drive one. This no longer makes it a status symbol to me. Personally, for 42 grand, I'd rather have an RX-8 with a proper suspension setup, body reinforcement, cage, harnesses, Pettit supercharger, RPF1s, r compounds and the list goes on. In fact, thats exactly my plan :)

if anything the 335 has a drive train advantage over the sti, the 335 engine is very underated compared to the sti, automobile magazine had an article about this. on average they are making 285whp and 300wtq. being heavier is not enough to get it demolished by the sti.The only type of closed course in which a 335i could run with an STi would be the drag strip. The STi outhandles the E46 M3. It's better competition for the E36 M3. Any M3 will be significantly more tossable than a 335i. I believe the original poster already was fully aware of that too because he specifically asked people to just compare the 2 cars in a straightline.

BTW..Broker...I don't know you or Ike but it's quite easy to see who brought information to this thread and who brought an attitude.