quite8

when i was a kid, the smog was so bad that you could see it's haze on the play ground at school.
and even tho i would love to put what ever i wanted on my car, we really have to understand why
we have this law. you younger folks dont see it, but that stuff we use to breath in was not healthy.

xexok

I'm not that worried about having no cat, 99% of cars out there have cats I'm sure.

BlueKnight

If it was just about smog, the only thing that would matter is what came out, not what you had on the car.

quite8

hi flow cats dont reduce smog, what about turbos i guess thay run cleaner also
so i would say it is about smog, and yes the main factor is money, period.
you cant say that all after market parts burn cleaner.

wcs

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I'm confused.
Are you FI?
What is the cold air injector warning? I'm not familiar with that term. Do you mean Secondary Air Pump?

I don't know all the laws in Cali but here in Ontario Canada the emission test is done ever other year. The car is placed on a dyno while they run a sniff test at idle and cruise.
They don't do a physical inspection or a ECU scan (yet .. the laws are changing)

I'm boosted and pass the test with flying colours when I have the OEM Catalytic installed. Yes it's a PITA to swap in and out but it's the only way I've been able to pass the eTest.
Sorry to say but it might still be your easiest method to pass the test. Grab a few beers and a buddy ... find an hour and swap the OEM Catalytic back in ..

Lots of good car guys over there in SARX to help you out.


Ok ... just saying .. and this is a hijack of the OP's thread (sorry)
(light hearted tone)

Really ... thank goodness we cleaned up the smog ... because the 1000 plus nuclear bomb tests (US alone) didn't have an environmental impact

And really ... did we clean the smog up or just move the problem somewhere else?
Yes catalytic convertors work but they have a massive environmental foot print which is located in countries that don't give a crap about the environment.
So we've cleaned the air here and ruined it elsewhere on the planet.

Like robbing Peter to pay Paul

quite8

^^ so true

BlueKnight

What an interesting question ... Do you think Turbos run less clean? They do recycle the fumes from the exhaust so in some sense you could say they could. But as with any car FI or not, improperly tuned they create more fumes. But you seem to have completely missed the point ... Either the car is polluting or it is not. That can be checked at the tail pipe and if the standards are the same, then what is under the hood is meaningless.

And you could not be more right ... it is about the money ... the money that the government wants you to pay to them so they can spend it somewhere else.

Yup, as the sig says, I am FI (Turbo). If all I had to do was swap a mid-pipe hen that would be easy. Swapping the Turbo, injectors, intake, etc. is a bit more work

BlueKnight

Oh, and yes I always call it something different every time. lol. CEL P0411 (secondary air injection system incorrect flow detected). Since the system was removed it kinda doesn't work ;-)

wcs

iTrader: (2)

Sorry I didn't check your Sig. I'm not familiar with the BHR/MM Turbo design.

I have a top mount system and can swap the midpipe in and out without having to do anything else. The downpipe fitments has been designed so that I can still use the OEM exhaust parts.

I'm guessing this is low mount system?
It looks like you have a RP Super Cat. Has that been modified is some way that it no longer would fit a OEM exhaust set-up?
The OEM Catalytic should just fit right in there.

Otherwise why would you have to swap the turbo, injectors and intake? (assuming you could just swap in the midpipe)

Would the Cali Emission Test physically check those items and know they weren't OEM?

Would the Cali emission test be able to detect that the ECU was masking a Cel or that it's not a OEM Map?

Would the inspectors know that the Sec.Air Pump was removed?

I'm curious as the emission laws are changing in Ontario so I want to understand what challenges I may expect.
Sorry that I have more questions than answers.

EDIT
I'm really interested in all this. Something to try if all you are worried about is the ECU scan picking up the CEL for the Sec.Air Pump.
I've not tried this and I don't know if anyone has but you could just hook the secondary air pump back up electrically and mount it back in place.
I do not believe you need to physically reconnect all the exhaust work.

Razz1

No the test does not know you masked the CEL.

No, they have no clue about the pump.

They look for after market parts like turbo, intake, and even crawl under the car when they think you do not have a CAT.

They try, but can not prove a thing on my modded car.

As of 2013, they will not do a snifer test.

No Cel light and you are good to go. They will do random OBD checks for smog.

It saves time and cost.

wcs

iTrader: (2)

^^^^Thanks Razz

j9fd3s

seriously? that is F-ing great news! when the OEM cat fails, it can pass the monitors in the ECU (no CEL) but fail from the tailpipe

j9fd3s

SmogTips.com - AB 2289 - Smog Check Law California. No more tailpipe smog test. Elimination of tailpipe smog check testing for 2000 model vehicles and newer.

Davey's RX-8

iTrader: (1)

Regardless of my personal inclinations towards some of the obvious **** retentiveness (read: Money making) aspects of CARB, the fact is that it CAN be a problem for people with modded cars moving into CA. It was for me when I did and had the RB Revi intake five years ago. Of course RB has gotten that CARB certified so it wasn't a problem last month getting smogged again.

The solution for those with illegally CA modded cars is to discretely inquire about who will let you pass visual AS LONG AS you still pass emissions.

There was a news story last week about places being busted locally for cheating on the emissions tests, so I would recommend NOT following that mistake. YMMV