Once the car comes out...please no "kills" section
 

Someone mentioned this in another thread. Here's why I don't like the idea:

I think it would be a better place without a "Kills" section. I dunno, I just look at places like clubsi.com and streetkiaz.com (hahaha), and those places suck, mainly because of their "kills" section.

Those boards are full of 17-year-olds with huge egos. This place will be filled with an older and much more mature crowd. I think having a kills section wouldn't be in the best interest of the board.

Of course, that's how it is on the i-club, and I think it's a better place because of it (although with the WRX now, things have changed a bit). Street racing is stupid, and I don't think it's something we should promote.

first whats a kills section..

Hopefully teenyboppers can't afford an rx-8. I want it to be overpriced so it'll be more unique instead of every angst ridden teeny driving around like Honda civics

you can do what www.focaljet.com did. they have a motorsports forum that they discuss legal racing in (i.e. drag strip, autox, track days) but all threads about street racing are deleted. i think that would work here.

Ruler_Mark: a "kill" is defined as a victory in a street race.

I agree, no kill section.

exactly. That's what we do on the Impreza board and it works nicely. Have a Motorsports section where you can talk about AutoX, track days, Professional Race series' and the like...but delete street racing threads. We don't need this nice place littered with that garbage.

HAHAHAHAHAHA! - how do you find this stuff.

Yeah - I read some of the kills section topics on the RX7 site - and I thought it was retarded

-I'll agree with the mods on this one.

Maybe create a kills section, put in a hyperlink to streetracing.org, then lock the forum. :D

what do you mean lock the forum?..(so no one else can join?)

No, create a locked forum you can't post in, but has a hyperlink to streetracing.org. :)

Got plenty of time for that option, tho. ;)

i agree..
 

I agree with toadman.... i think a kills section on this site would ruin it...Anyway the site would get filled with tons of BS Kills.

I also vote for no kills - what a waste of bandwidth.

I completely agree with everyone else. A "Kills" section would be a huge mistake.

I'm not sure how old everyone else is that has contributed to this thread. But I'm 22, and grew up in this obnoxious Honda Civic hot rod era and have flat out hated it.

I'm a purist when it comes to looks, outside of factory cosmetic additions I never like to do anything more. They always draw attention from the wrong people.

My reasons for not wanting a Kills section are the same as why I will not see "The Fast and the Furious." It's all a bunch of BS that responsible enthusiasts don't need.

nah, no kills section

i agree totally.

back in the day, i was the president of columbusdsm.com, and i helped start columbusracing.com.... both here in columbus ohio. well, the kill sections always ruined everything. it starts way too many arguments, and gets people flamed sideways like theres no tomorrow.

i left both of those boards because they're filled with immature 17-year olds with civics who like to race during rush hour or camaro drivers who are 40 years old, but going on 12 years old, that feel they get some surge of power by ordering everyone around and talking smack to anyone with an import car.

*shrug*

funny this thread comes up. i've always thought kill sections were bad, but nobody agreed with me. im glad you guys do.

everyone here is great. you're all the coolest.

no kills sections

I'm with the majority on this one. Its stupid, and brings the whole forum IQ down to that of a house plant.

With that said, you won't be edited for telling us how the car compares performance-wise against the current sport coupes and sedans(i.e. test drives). Lets see if we can make that distinction without it being a posted "kill". :)

Maybe...
 

If you have a kill section it keeps the "garbage" out of the main discussion forum. Those who don't like the kills section don't have click. Just like pornographic or violent Channels you don't have to watch. No matter what kills will make it on to a board occasionally. BTW Fast & the Furious was a fun car movie, sure the dialog was bone stupid but it was good racing. My favorite car movie is Ronin. Best stuff ever was the BMW Hire movies by Brucheimer, Ang Lee, Guy Ritchie, etc.... Note I would never abuse my car like these guys on film just like I would never pick a fight with 6 guys to show my Kung Fu skills.

I might abuse my car like in Ronin if it meant getting a glimpse in that suitcase. :D

RONINS HAS NITROUS
 

I wish they had more shots of the two-stage nitrous oxide kit in Ronin.... when they're getting ready to go under the bridge, and the one guy is loading up the car, he pops the truck and for a split second.... whats that? a big blue bottle? nice... but, as i said, only for a couple seconds.

i love nitrous. i've got it on my talon. too many people say it's pointless or dangerous or only for cheaters... but i've had it for almost 2 years, and it's been a blast. very very fun stuff.

hrm... i wonder how much i could pump through the rx-8.... ??? anyone care to take a guess?

On our club forum we don't condone street racing. Ergo, we don't have a "kill" forum. It's been two years and we haven't had any issues about it. Then again, our board is very mature compared to other "import enthusiast" boards.. :rolleyes:

We run the MR2 board so that street racing stories and kill stories are not allowed, and are deleted as soon as they are seen. We allow comparisons between our and other cars, and we have separate forums for Auto-xing, Road-racing, drag-racing (on track, mind you), and safety equipments/mods (harnesses, roll bars, etc.).

One exception that we've made is that we will allow people to post URLs to news stories about the subject (whether it's a fatality/injury, or police round-up, or expose'), and comment on them.

So far, that has worked for us, especially considering the fact that we do have alot of immature participants who do alot of street racing.

---jps
Member of the MR2 "Moderator Corps"
Specialty:audio/security

nothing is worse than bad english, 17 year olds and kill stories..

so me's and muh boyz wuz drivin in our LS Teg, its got all this off the hook APC stuff, and we's wuz all over this Z06, he didnt know what hit him, we's wuz like WOOOT, you aint gonna touch us, then we went to a fly party had some corona's and owned the place cuz we got VTEC, thats right I said VTEC...wusssut

LS Teg's don't have VTEC... :p

Plus those boys would probably spelled it VTECH :rolleyes:

hey... im pritty new to this board and i dont know what the average age range here is but Im 19. Im a little insulted buy some of the stuff you guys are saying. I agree with you that street racing sucks. Where i am cops pull you over some times just cause you have a nice car and treat you like shit just cause they think your a dumb kid and all kids street race. Well i dont. Im actually really opposed to it. Im starting to feel a little un-welcome here just because of my age and i think that is pritty unfair. I am a long time member of the www.rx-7club.com and have been a rotory fan for a long time...dont generalize!

You mean we have to categorize every single personality type and comment individually on them?

I think not.

Everyone knows that not all teenagers are street racers. It should not need saying.

I definitely think that a kill section is the beginning of the end for most car-forums. As soon as someone writes that they beat a Gremlin by 1.76 car lengths you suddenly have 30 Gremlin enthusiasts/trolls defending their honour all over the site. And even when the 'discussion' is ancient history some trolls will hang around to throw the occasional jab...

Also I don't think age has much to do with having a $30k+ car. At is300.net it seems 80% of the people that post are between 16-25. Many of the teenage owners either have very rich parents or managed to get a decent-paying job and spend every cent on their car and insurance payments (no rent, bills etc). Most are genuine enthusiasts and can write well (and know far more about automotive things than I do), so age should not be a bar to RX-8 enthusiasts/owners.

Sorry I got a little upset...
Just wanted to make it clear that i wasen't like that.

hey, we're not saying that all kids street race, and without a "kills" section, maybe they won't join/post.

not at all. Everyone will race, that's a fact...but let's keep it to ourselves if we do. :)

hmm
 

i don't know about u guys, but when i get mah hands on RX-8, i can't b certain that i won't streetrace..
first, i like 2 accelerate too much (not so much as 2 speed, but accelerate)
n second, i won't b able 2 help myself if some kid in a civic blows by, not knowing what he's getting himself into
also, i agree that kill section might cause problems, but none of u guys want 2 post a good stree-racing experience n share wit other rx-8 owners?
i don't know.. but i've seen nice forums with a racing section that has good content in it

jus expressin' mah opinion

Re: hmm
 

I think that if you're stop-light racing this car none of the people on this forum would want to hear about your stupidity.

P.S - I'm being nice Toadman! :D

'.' ....
 

arguing is not 1 of mah thing, but i didn't say i was going 2 buy the car 4 street-racing... i wana avoid something like that as much as possble, but knowing myself, i know i'll get into races here n there
as far as no one in this forum listening 2 mah stupidity, that's fine, as i stated ALREADY, i was merely expressing mah opinion

thanks 4 replying anyways

I am sure I will get into a position where I will race. This is a sports car and I love running through gears. I will also take it down to Muncie for a 1/4 mile run or two. Sorry to burst your guys bubbles but this car will be raced and compared to other sports cars such as the Z. I see no reason to be closed minded about the car being raced or driven fast. As this cars' heritage is all about being a very fast and great handling car. I just am getting sick of people on the board complaining about racing or driving fast. It will happen and I'm sorry if I will bring the high and mighty status you guys seem to be placing on the car down.

A car is what you want it to be. To you it may be just a great handling car for others its something else. So don't whine and moan when someone else is going to use the car for something different than what YOU think it should be used for.
End of Rant

Of course people will race the RX-8- it IS a sports car/sedan whatever you want to call it- it would be pretty silly if at least someone wasn't. I don't think ANYONE would argue that it won't be raced, or that it shouldn't. However, racing at stoplights isn't racing. It's just dangerous and stupid. It's also a great way to get ticketed and/or arrested. Who cares if the little moron in the "riced" car wants to race- no one (or at least only a very select few) with a truely modified car is going to be racing at stoplights, so you don't prove anything by outrunning the little ninnies in a race to 45 miles an hour. You want to prove how fast your car is, go to the track. You want to accelerate fast- go for it, but be smart about it. Racing at lights, again, is just stupid.

I agree with pelucidor- a kills section would be the beginning of the end. We'd be besieged by flaming trolls.

Elara, you find the words that I always turn into curses :D

Thanks!

*grin* Thanks Hercules. But your posts are a heck of a lot more entertaining than mine to read!

Sometimes, thanks :)

not to mention profoundly biased :p

nonetheless they are entertaining :) :p

I follow Elara, Hercules and pelucidor etc...

No doubt owners will race the RX-8 everywhere. I don't care what anyone else does with their car because I can't control it - so why care about it? To me this is not the point at hand. The point of not having a "kills section" is to avoid unwanted personalities on this forum.

I don't think there is anything wrong with having a section that posts official track times at sanctioned events. (Though I fear such a section might get out of control also.) No one can honestly say street racing is more fun, or more of an ego boost than orgranized autocrossing or drag racing. With both of those you get real results and legitimate records to back up your car. And that is 100 times better than anything you can ever do on the street.

Amen :)

Not so much personalities, but unwanted flame-wars/p*ssing contests. Racing will occur, it's inevitable. We're all curious how it stacks up, true. Everyone wants to size up the new kid on the block. The 350Z is already getting such posts on their forums. Why goad the trolls on with a Kill forum? It's flame-bait, one-sided opinion, and provocative. They have Streetracing.org for that stuff.

Or riceboypage.com..... :cool:

What i see are that a lot of the more prominent members are saying (wisely) that a kills thread is a very bad idea. This is very noticeable at the beginning of the thread. Some of the junior memebers expressed that that this might not be as bad of an idea. I happen to agree with the overwhelming majority here in that kill threads would be a bad idea. The other junor memebors should take advice from those who have been here a while, for they probably know better than we about this.

I am on plenty of different forums on the internet, so being a junior member on this board means nothing. I want a kills page personally, of course I'm terribly immature, reckless and only 24. If this forum doesn't have one though I'm sure another will so I'll get over it. I guess I'm the type that enjoys a pissing contest between overbearing testerone driven meatheads every now and then..

You might enjoy it but speaking from a Webmaster's point of view, it's a pain to moderate those posts that get quickly and severely off topic and into flaming contests. Better to not have them at all, in my opinion.

ya, if for no other reason that to maintain civility and keep the "my car's faster than your car" BS outa the forum, that's enough reason for me...

I could not care less either way.
 

I currently own an RX7 Turbo and have owned several over the years. I'm on most of the RX7 forums and most of them have "Kills" sections. I don't read those posts, nor do I post in those sections. An open forum should have places for everyone to post their "stories". It does not need to be moderated and "senior" members don't have to even enter that section of the website. I plan on buying an RX8 as soon as they come out, but honestly the "high and mighty" tone of this thread smacks of elitism and snobbery. I'm 34 and I'm starting to wonder if the crowd that will be buying this car is too old for ME! I'm not condoning street racing (I have been in maybe one or two in the last three years - just couldn't resist, I'd tell you the story but then this would be a "Kill" post) BUT I say give everyone a chance to express themselves. I won't read the posts but those who like the kills section will.

Todd
'87 TII

PS. I've never seen "unwanted personality" or "teen bashing" comments on any of the RX7 sites. Just because we can afford this car does not mean we have to be asses.

I agree with Akageals, and believe there should be a kills section. I know that half the stories probably aren't even true but its all about entertainment anyway.

Even if it does not turn into a flame war most of the stories in other forums (like RX7Club) are about a FD killing a riced out civic. Everyone knows who is going to win and sure it is nice to see a ricer go down, but it does not need to be posted on the internet.

PS: I like RX7 Club, there are just to many pointless kills stories.