2010 RX8 Sport Questions/flooding?
08-03-2010, 06:56 AM
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2010 RX8 Sport Questions/flooding?
Hello All,
I have never owned an RX# but have been researching them lately as a replacement for the wife's BMW. Have seen a lot of flooding issue posts and was trying to find out if the issues had been resolved in the 2010 model?
Also, any info/advice on purchasing a 2010 RX8 Sport that anyone could provide....
I have never owned an RX# but have been researching them lately as a replacement for the wife's BMW. Have seen a lot of flooding issue posts and was trying to find out if the issues had been resolved in the 2010 model?
Also, any info/advice on purchasing a 2010 RX8 Sport that anyone could provide....
08-03-2010, 07:25 AM
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Hello All,
I have never owned an RX# but have been researching them lately as a replacement for the wife's BMW. Have seen a lot of flooding issue posts and was trying to find out if the issues had been resolved in the 2010 model?
Also, any info/advice on purchasing a 2010 RX8 Sport that anyone could provide....
I have never owned an RX# but have been researching them lately as a replacement for the wife's BMW. Have seen a lot of flooding issue posts and was trying to find out if the issues had been resolved in the 2010 model?
Also, any info/advice on purchasing a 2010 RX8 Sport that anyone could provide....
Please read this thread.
https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-trouble-shooting-95/considering-purchasing-rx8-but-i-hada-few-questions-you-vets-about-202160/
08-03-2010, 07:32 AM
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Specifically, this part.
The series 2, 2009+, has the same ignition, so can fail just as easy. Its a maintenance item.
Flooding is only a concern if you have a weak ignition system. The problem is, your ignition system usually fails very slowly, so it is a gradual decline. The alert and responsible owner will detect the drop in mileage, the drop in power, the rougher idle, the occasional misfire, and replace their coils, plugs, and wires before it gets bad enough where there is a chance at flooding.
Every single flood I have seen reported for the past year or so ended up coming down to a failing or failed coil or spark plug or spark plug wire. But by then, they also generally have a fried cat that needs to get replaced as well, and possibly an O2 sensor or two. Stay on top of the maintenance (long term included!) and you will wonder what all the fuss was about. Coils ($160 for all 4, 20 minute swap), plugs ($80 for all 4, 10 minute swap), and wires ($50-140, depending on quality, 2 minute swap), should be replaced every 30,000 miles, possibly sooner if you detect something starting to fail, since people have had them fail as early as 8,000 miles or 15,000 miles, though that's rare.
You don't want to shut off while it's cold simply because when the engine is cold, the ECU dumps more fuel into engine to help it warm up, and it leans back once the engine is warm. This extra fuel can make it harder to start an ignition, which a healthy ignition system is perfectly capable of overcoming. Weaken the ignition with failing plugs, coils, wires, alternator, or battery, and you have a flood on your hands, and all the associated problems from that.
Every single flood I have seen reported for the past year or so ended up coming down to a failing or failed coil or spark plug or spark plug wire. But by then, they also generally have a fried cat that needs to get replaced as well, and possibly an O2 sensor or two. Stay on top of the maintenance (long term included!) and you will wonder what all the fuss was about. Coils ($160 for all 4, 20 minute swap), plugs ($80 for all 4, 10 minute swap), and wires ($50-140, depending on quality, 2 minute swap), should be replaced every 30,000 miles, possibly sooner if you detect something starting to fail, since people have had them fail as early as 8,000 miles or 15,000 miles, though that's rare.
You don't want to shut off while it's cold simply because when the engine is cold, the ECU dumps more fuel into engine to help it warm up, and it leans back once the engine is warm. This extra fuel can make it harder to start an ignition, which a healthy ignition system is perfectly capable of overcoming. Weaken the ignition with failing plugs, coils, wires, alternator, or battery, and you have a flood on your hands, and all the associated problems from that.
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08-03-2010, 08:02 PM
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Thanks for the all the info, she has made up her mind that the RX8 is what she wants, now if I can just talk her into getting the manual instead of the auto...
Was hoping the issues were fixed with the 2010 since I will not be the primary driver.
Was hoping the issues were fixed with the 2010 since I will not be the primary driver.
08-04-2010, 07:18 AM
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Going to be repeating myself a bit here...
...with any part of your ignition system failing.
The physical process of flooding is 100% car. Letting it get to that point is 100% driver.
...and your ignition system is healthy. You can flood a warm engine if you don't actually get a spark at the plug.
And btw, "icecold" is a terrible term to use. Your engine will never get colder than ambient temperature, and in the summer, that can easily be 90+ F in many many areas. Hardly "icecold".
As I posted above, the engine just spends a longer time pumping more fuel in under cold ambient conditions, and increases the time that people CAN turn it off while the engine is pumping in more fuel. You will still be fine if you have a healthy ignition/starter.
I'd bet I could flood an RX-8 that has BHR coil upgrade on it.
Nothing against BHR, but if I stick 60,000+ mile plugs on it, or put on a failing starter, or put in a weak battery, I bet it will flood.
Why would you intentionally put these on you ask? I wouldn't. But those are simulating conditions that are EASILY possible, even on a Series2 with a BHR ignition, where you simply won't have the right conditions, either spark or crank speed, to light the fuel getting pumped in...
...which is what causes the flood.
If you are going to offer advice, at least make sure it's accurate. The inaccuracy of recent members can be excused to some extent. However I posted a detail reason above that should remove this inaccuracy and get you on the right track.
Inaccuracy can't be left uncorrected though, so that the next new owner that comes here looking for an answer isn't misled by your responses.
...with any part of your ignition system failing.
The physical process of flooding is 100% car. Letting it get to that point is 100% driver.
And btw, "icecold" is a terrible term to use. Your engine will never get colder than ambient temperature, and in the summer, that can easily be 90+ F in many many areas. Hardly "icecold".
As I posted above, the engine just spends a longer time pumping more fuel in under cold ambient conditions, and increases the time that people CAN turn it off while the engine is pumping in more fuel. You will still be fine if you have a healthy ignition/starter.
Nothing against BHR, but if I stick 60,000+ mile plugs on it, or put on a failing starter, or put in a weak battery, I bet it will flood.
Why would you intentionally put these on you ask? I wouldn't. But those are simulating conditions that are EASILY possible, even on a Series2 with a BHR ignition, where you simply won't have the right conditions, either spark or crank speed, to light the fuel getting pumped in...
...which is what causes the flood.
If you are going to offer advice, at least make sure it's accurate. The inaccuracy of recent members can be excused to some extent. However I posted a detail reason above that should remove this inaccuracy and get you on the right track.
Inaccuracy can't be left uncorrected though, so that the next new owner that comes here looking for an answer isn't misled by your responses.
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08-04-2010, 07:45 AM
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RIWWP:
Im not talking about 60k plugs and shitty starters with old batts. I'm talking about a brand new S2 that the OP OWNS who doesnt want to have it flood. I offered a solution which due to MY findings will satisfy him. Thanks for input though about 60k plugs...
Im not talking about 60k plugs and shitty starters with old batts. I'm talking about a brand new S2 that the OP OWNS who doesnt want to have it flood. I offered a solution which due to MY findings will satisfy him. Thanks for input though about 60k plugs...
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Understood.
I just had a problem with how you worded it, as most who read that will assume that with a BHR ignition you will never flood, when all the BHR ignition does (in regards to flooding), is remove 1 of the possible causes.
The other causes still exist.
I just had a problem with how you worded it, as most who read that will assume that with a BHR ignition you will never flood, when all the BHR ignition does (in regards to flooding), is remove 1 of the possible causes.
The other causes still exist.
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I always take information and misinformation seriously. Especially when the person asking is not joking in any way.
We have enough misinformation about this car from non-owners, we shouldn't be adding to it, or being so vague as to be misleading in our answers.
We have enough misinformation about this car from non-owners, we shouldn't be adding to it, or being so vague as to be misleading in our answers.
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When my wife takes my 8, she gets no lecture, just a set of keys and off she goes. and it's a 2006 model. My car has done 67 000km now and is almost 4 years old. Everything is stock. Tell your wife to drive it the same as she drove the beemer, with one particular exception. After break-in, and when the engine is nicely warmed up, she should rev it to the redline in second gear, just because she can.
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