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Old Mar 17, 2009 | 02:34 AM
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Edmunds: Genesis Coupe 2.0T Dyno - LIES

They lied about the hp, just like Mazda! bad Hyundai!!!

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Old Mar 17, 2009 | 03:00 AM
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wonder if that's whp
if so, thats mighty impressive.

wtf were they thinking with that exhaust dent?
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Old Mar 17, 2009 | 07:09 AM
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Sweet if other testers agree. That could be one fun car to tune up some big numbers!
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Old Mar 17, 2009 | 10:57 AM
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They also dyno'd the v6 at 279hp.
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Old Mar 17, 2009 | 11:34 AM
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There is a dyno on youtube around 360whp. I do not recall if it was 4cy or 6cyl. These things are going to be turning out some serious WHP once they really hit the market and tuners have more time with them.
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Old Mar 17, 2009 | 11:36 AM
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wow.... that coupe looks good. Too bad I haven't grown out of the Hyundai badge stigma. Grow up delhi!!!
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Old Mar 17, 2009 | 11:36 AM
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Found it. The 4cyl with upgraded turbo pulled 362whp and 302 ft-lb.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_UN0cvXr7g
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Old Mar 17, 2009 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by cjkim
wonder if that's whp
if so, thats mighty impressive.

wtf were they thinking with that exhaust dent?
Yep. At the wheels... factor in the standard 15% loss, and it's waaay underrated. Awesome car. I like the Genesis more every day.

And don't get all bent out of shape about the exhaust dent. There's one just like it on the GTO's stock cat back. The reaction was to freak out!!! Oh no!!! A dent in the pipe!!! Disrupting my exhaust flow!!! Robbing my horsepowerz!!! But here's the best part... one of the guys did a dyno, fixed the dent and smoothed it out perfectly, and then re-dyno'd the same hour. What was the difference? Nothing!!!!!! Nada!!!!! Zero!!!! Zip!!!!

Point is, the aftermarket looooooves **** like this because they know they're going to sell a bunch of cat backs based on nothing but panic from "enthusiasts". Garbage.
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Old Mar 17, 2009 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by YaXMaNGTO
And don't get all bent out of shape about the exhaust dent. There's one just like it on the GTO's stock cat back. The reaction was to freak out!!! Oh no!!! A dent in the pipe!!! Disrupting my exhaust flow!!! Robbing my horsepowerz!!! But here's the best part... one of the guys did a dyno, fixed the dent and smoothed it out perfectly, and then re-dyno'd the same hour. What was the difference? Nothing!!!!!! Nada!!!!! Zero!!!! Zip!!!!
Well said.
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Old Mar 17, 2009 | 01:10 PM
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Well said.
Thanks. Trying to keep it real. You know what I mean...
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Old Mar 17, 2009 | 01:52 PM
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?? How the F&*k do they get away with that? List it at 200hp (crank) and it dynos 227 to the wheels? Thats not even remotely close to being accurate. There isnt a production vehicle in the world that dynos MORE at the wheels than it claims to have at the crank! MADNESS!! (a good madness)
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Old Mar 17, 2009 | 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by jones75254
?? How the F&*k do they get away with that? List it at 200hp (crank) and it dynos 227 to the wheels? Thats not even remotely close to being accurate. There isnt a production vehicle in the world that dynos MORE at the wheels than it claims to have at the crank! MADNESS!! (a good madness)
LOL It's madness!!!

But, take a look again.. the peak torque is 227 lb-ft. Horsepower is actually a measly 197 rwhp.
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Old Mar 17, 2009 | 03:48 PM
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Anyone can ID that orange car on the hoist? Exige maybe? It looked pretty ripped up.
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Old Mar 17, 2009 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by delhi
Anyone can ID that orange car on the hoist? Exige maybe? It looked pretty ripped up.
I was looking at the shape of the doors on the Exige, and they're very unigue in that the bottom is extremely rounded. Whatever that is, the door is squared off at the bottom. Top of it looks right though.
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Old Mar 17, 2009 | 08:03 PM
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Welcome to the world of underrating. My car is rated at 305hp, when it dynos that at the wheels stock.
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Old Mar 17, 2009 | 08:47 PM
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Another car that I can think of that was very underrated by stock numbers... 03-04 "Terminator" Mustang Cobra.
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Old Mar 17, 2009 | 10:33 PM
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I'd really like to test drive one of these, they seem too good to be true, there has to be a catch somewhere right?
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Old Mar 17, 2009 | 11:28 PM
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they're a hyundai. like delhi, i dont know if i could get over the badge stigma.
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Old Mar 17, 2009 | 11:34 PM
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Edmunds, do you guys realize that 4th gear is NOT 1:1?
It is 1.233:1 which means your power numbers are higher than they actually are.
5th gear is where you want to be performing your dyno pulls, unless you are compensating for the difference which seems like silly busy work.
does this make any difference?
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Old Mar 18, 2009 | 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by kersh4w
does this make any difference?
No... if they used a direct RPM pickup. I would assume they did. The dyno does the calculations for gearing and power because it knows the engine RPM and wheel speed.

Theoretically, you should see higher numbers for higher gears as you have the most parasitic loss in 1st, but other factors affect dyno'ing in higher gears, such as the length of time the pull requires resulting in heat soak and pulled timing.

The shortcut way to dyno is not use the RPM pickup and assume a 1:1 ratio or try to setup an RPM ratio from a single sample off the car's tach... not the right way to do it.

So that guy that you quoted basically has no idea what he's talking about.
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Old Mar 18, 2009 | 06:23 PM
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I'm impressed by the power plant and other features of this car, but I just can't get over my initial hyundai impressions. When I bought my mazda 6 like 3 years ago I test drove a few hyundai sonatas and some kias. The mazda 6 was a dream compared to these cars. I knew nothing about handling or mazdas, but test driving the 6 made the 20 some other cars I test drove that day "stale". Btw this was back in 05 or so.
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Old Mar 18, 2009 | 06:43 PM
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^ I think Hyundai today is quite different from the Hyundai of yesterday. The new Genesis sedan is nicer than the old 6. But not as nice as the new 6.
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Old Mar 21, 2009 | 11:43 PM
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The motor is just a Mitsubishi made 4B11. I believe it's just the same engine that Mitsu recently put in the new Ralliart. It's essentially a detuned version of the Evo X motor running a smaller turbo. This new Hyundai is gonna sell like hot cakes. Every 18-25 year old out there with a decent paycheck is going to trade in their modified FWD car for one.
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Old Mar 22, 2009 | 06:53 AM
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Dyno from a Korean tuner website. Purportedly, only an ECU mapping was done. Stock turbo, intake, exhaust everything.

Stock: 188whp(PS), Torque 30.2kg.m

ECU Tune: 223.6whp(PS), Torue 42.6kg.m

Approximately 35whp(PS) gain and 12.5kg.m torque increase.

If only the 13B had this easy tuning potential...sigh And I'm so jealous of that lowend torque

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Old Mar 22, 2009 | 06:59 AM
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As there is ahem "some problems" between the dyno here and the above 'tuned' one .... ah ...someone is screwing up somewhere



Originally Posted by Kafka
They lied about the hp, just like Mazda! bad Hyundai!!!

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