Shumster

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So I suspect that I've flooded my 8. I had taken it out for a good 10 minute drive before I shut her off and the engine was at normal temperature. I've only had her for a week but I know that when I had her in for the mechanical inspection that they said they had to charge the battery. Could this be the issue? The air filter and plugs need replacing. I'm guessing it's that my plugs are fouled. Anyway I just wanted to hear what you guys had to say and whether you or not you guys think this is a flooding issue or not. If you guys suspect flooding like I do then I'll start on the various deflood procedures.

Also, I tried cranking her for 5 seconds with the accelerator pushed to the floor for about 10 minutes and nothing happened.

Any help is appreciated! Thanks

Shumster

Update: Just tried taking out the fuel pump fuse and cranking as well as the gas pedal down cranking. She still won't start.

godesshunter

Flooding shouldn't be a problem with series 2. How many miles on the car? Did you recharge the battery? Is it cranking fast or slow and lazy?

wcs

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Perfect.

Well this is a bit of a confusing statement.
They did change the battery, yes?

Even a new battery that is low on charge can cause a flooded situation. The battery charge maybe low from a faulty generator or from cranking the engine.
Make sure the battery is fully charged.

What are you trying to say here? You did 5 second intervals for 10 minutes? Or you held the accelerator down for 10 minutes?

Let's just slow down here.
Something is obviously wrong and trying to start the car is only going to make it worse if we have not looked after the point of failure.

Mileage?
Is the check engine light on?

What/who told you ... that you need new plugs? I would recommend changing the plugs before trying to start the car again.

Note: I wrote the following then thought better of it, disconnecting the ESS will most likely cause a check engine light and you don't have a way to clear it.

If you are going to do the plug change yourself this is what I would do:

Remove old plugs
Disconnect ESS
Remove Fuel pump fuse.
Make sure battery is fully charged or use a backup battery.

Depress Fuel Pedal fully crank for 7-10 seconds. If a whole bunch of white vapour mist comes out .. you're flooded. Repeat this about 12 times until no vapour or moisture is present around spark plug holes. Make sure to maintain the battery charge.

Reinstall plugs, ess, fuel pump fuse. Make sure battery is fully charged.
Start the car normally.

If you must continue to try and start the car without replacing the plugs, try the pull start method.

Mazurfer

^.........pull start only works of course if it's a manual.
Since you said they had to charge the battery, we need to know if it's cranking over slowly.
I also hope you gave it short bursts when trying to start it a WCS pointed out.
My guess......................bad battery...............how old is it?
Might want to have the alternator checked out too, but we need more info on the car.
How many miles?
Manual or Auto?
Last time plugs were changed?
Battery age?
Any other known history on maintenance.

wcs

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LOL I assumed it was a manual ... you know what that does.

BTW don't we have a generator not an alternator?

I know it's kind of splitting hairs ... just wanna make sure I know.

Mazurfer

The difference between alternator and generator is far less important than if it's a manual or auto. (ha ha)
But....................yes, I believe we have a generator.

In a generator, an armature is spun inside a magnetic field. The armature consists of several coils which generate electrical energy as they spin through the magnetic fields. "Brushes" (electrical devices to transfer the electrical energy from the moving armature) conduct the electrical energy to a wire. The strength of the electrical output can be controlled by varying the strength of the stationary magnetic field that is OUTSIDE the spinning armature. If that magnetic field is to be changed, it typically must be an electromagnetic.
An ALTERNATOR is exatly the opposite. The brushes make contact with two spinning rings. The rings are connected to coils, and when voltage is applied the armature (in the case of an alternator it is called a "rotor") becomes a spinning electromagnet. A stationary coil or set of coils, depending on the complexity of the armature, generates electrical current as the magnets pass by.
An alternator produces "alternating current" electricity which must be converted to "direct current" in the case of automobiles. The conversion is relatively simple, using what is called a "diode plate", which is as the name suggests, a collection of diodes.

wcs

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True true ... it did read that way, I didn't mean to imply it was. I guess it was my own little thread jack asking you about the particulars of the setup.

Nice explanation, Thanks man.

Shumster

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Hey guys,

Ok so yes the car is manual with 44000kms. The reason I think I need new plugs is because the mechanic who did the inspection said they are due for changing. I actually have some on order from mazmart ironically but they won't be here for another week or so.

I'm pretty sure the battery has never been changed. The previous didn't owner drive her much so it had drained but the dealership said they charged it a week ago.

yea I know that flooding shouldn't be a problem with S2s that's why i'm pretty confused. I tried cranking in intervals of about 5 seconds haha not 10 minutes. I also tried the fuel pump fuse procedure and that didn't work. The thing is that plugs and coils have never been changed on this car. I was worried about weak ignition when I bought her that's why I have new parts on order, however she hasn't ever had any symptoms of weak ignition(loss of power, misfires ect).

I'm fairly sure she's flooded though or could there be another explanation for not starting?

Update 2: Victory! The jump start worked. I guess she wasn't flooded after all Time for a new battery now though.

Oh and it is cranking fast.

Update: now she's cranking slow, there is also a whining noise coming from the engine even when the car is off. It's a constant eeeeeeeeeeeeeee noise. Haha sorry no ther way to describe it

xexok

You should definitely go buy a new battery, first at least jump the car and then take it to autozone/checkers and they can check it. I had to get a new battery myself a few months ago because mine died without warning in a random parking lot.

Shumster

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Yeah, I'm going to look for batteries right away. I just hope I didn't toast my starter by cranking it so much. Hopefully it's ok, as I did wait about 20 seconds or longer between cranks.

ASH8

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Yes M8, get a good quality NEW Battery, there is NO substitute for CCA (Amps), make sure it is fully charged when buying it, and install with Clean battery clamps.

DON'T keep trying to start UNTIL you get a new Battery, you are possibly adding too much unburnt gas into your CAT, which can kill it.

Then get some new Spark Plugs and fit...ideally you should really do both at the same time.

Shumster

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I got an optima red top group 35. I had to extend the positive terminal but it worked out. Starts like a dream now haha.

fyrstormer

Don't bother trying to fix this yourself. If you've only had the car for a week, Lemon Law applies. Tow it to the dealer and make them fix it, and tell them you'll come back for a refund if it happens again.

xexok

I am pretty sure most lemon laws will not cover basic maintenance items like that, but if a major component fails then they would.

fyrstormer

You're assuming it's a basic maintenance item and not something more severe. He should still get it checked by a mechanic before investing any money in fixing it, since the cause isn't obvious.

EDIT: Dammit, I had this thread open for a couple hours earlier today, and the threadstarter posted a resolution between the time I opened the thread and the time I posted in it.

ASH8

Every time 'after' you reconnect your Battery you have to perform the 'known' turn Steering Wheel all the way to the left and then all way to right right (while Engine running) to reset DSC/Traction/PS...the flashing 'Traction Light' should disappear, the constant 'DSC' light which will go out after you re-start your car.

jtspells

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Little tip, next time take your time before you post you issue.

Use the enter button and speak clearly.

It sucks to have a broken car but you have to take your time and be clear in what you are saying so the collective brain trust can understand what in the hell you are saying!

navkanth

Hey howdies,

I am a proud owner of 2008 RX-8.

My car lately have been having start up problems. From couple of days, it cranks a little longer than usual and gets started. This morning the cranking was little longer and I assumed its because of weather (rained continuosly for 24 hr). But by evening (after work), when I try to start it up it cranked longer and never got started. I tried several times and it just gives me a click sounds and doesn't even crank up.

Initially I thought the battery died and I tried for a jump start. But it didn't work. I tried several times to ignite but didn't work. So I ended up starting the car while pushing and it did work. I tried to ignite the engine for a while and tried to restart it. It did restart for now. How about tomorrow, will this repeat again ? I am skeptical to what happened and I started reading about flooding. Is this what hapnd and if so what should I be doing now ?

I am not sure if this a suitable place for thsi thread. But please throw your valuable suggestions and ideas.

THanks

Edit: Please do not post same/similar questions in different threads or crap in someone else's thread, post(s) will be removed.

Thread moved to Trouble shoot "

UrbanOcho

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Your starter died.

StealthTL

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How long since you replaced the plugs?

Or have you ever?

Whichever applies....

wcs

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Double post
tsk tsk
https://www.rx8club.com/series-ii-te...4/#post4351797

Post #18

edit:
LOL and posted in the wrong sub forum again! And a mod missed it! That's double points!!!!!

Cliffjumper126

definitely the starter

navkanth

I never replaced myself but I bought the car around 40k and I am not sure if the previous owner did.

So will I be able to switch it on and drive tomorrow. incase if its the starter problem, will I be able to switch it on again tomorrow ?

please let me know.

Cliffjumper126

it may start and it may not. Faulty starters are unpredictable. It could start fine tomorrow morning and then not start when you are out somewhere tomorrow afternoon. I wouldn't trust it if I were you

navkanth

Thanks Cliffjumper, so should I be taking it to the dealer to get it fixed ? DO you know how mcuh its gonna be ?

Thanks in advance