Turblown kit
 

Ok, so a long time ago I was planning on getting an 8 when I returned from my tour in Iraq '05. Now I am looking again finally. My choices are getting a new Jeep GC Diesel by trading in my Xterra, or keeping my X and getting a toy. I recently came across a '10 8 with everything, (series 1 were called GTs not sure about S2) with 22k miles. I can probably get it for 16k so I will have almost 10k for upgrades. I have read almost every post about FI and wouldn't mind getting the Pettit SC, but it appears as if they are no longer for sale. I am now between the Esmeril kit or the Turblown kit (leaning towards the Turblown). I really haven't been able to find anyone's experience with either one. I am not looking for huge gains, 300 whp would be more than enough. It will be a fun second car for me, probably 50/50 daily driver with my Xterra so it will be a fun car mainly, no racing or anything. Just would like a bit more power. I am looking for opinions about best reliability for my $$

I don't think you read "every" post on FI . Otherwise you wouldn't be contemplating either of those kits .
For what you want an upgraded greddy kit will do the job perfectly .

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Buy this and test it and let us know! Ive been wondering :D it's a nice kit :D

And +1 ^

From what I have read, the Greddy kit had all sorts of issues, CELs, ECU issues, etc so I never considered it. I would prefer the SC, the next 2 are actually available. Do either of you have any actual exp with either of them? That was really my question you didn't bother to answer.

https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-maj...em-here-59834/

https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-maj...re-they-81825/

Did you read these Two?

No, as they were in the S1 section. After reading the newbie threads i was under the assumption everything having to do with s2s would be in this section, but thank you, I will read there now.

https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-maj...233417/page22/

Read this! asap, A little background about turblown

https://www.rx8club.com/esmeril-raci...-217647/page8/

A little background about Esmeril

Missed that you had an s2 . As far as I'm aware - there is no-one who has successfully fitted FI to an S2 .

I think I remember talk of the Adaptronics on an s2?
ME works with it though correct brett?

Yes ME works fine with an S2 . But i don't believe there is a legitimate FI kit available for S2 yet , let alone anyone that has done it successfully themselves . Moon assad ?

Keep reading. Turdblown will build you a kit but it will cost $7,000.00 and be incomplete and largely unusable. Turbocharging an S2 is doable, but not with your budget or know how.

I'm not worried about the know-how, but my budget is pretty well set. Thanks for the links, I guess If I decide to get it, I will just keep it stock. Hard to believe $10k won't get a decent reliable HP increase to around 300 whp.

save 5K more and do the 13brew swap :D but budget! don't overspend.

Those that don't .... seldom do .

Which is why the FI forums are full of fail .

Well that should be your number one worry because it is obvious you are lacking in that dept (no offense, it just is). And $10,000.00 would be a doable budget on a solid S1 with a upgraded Greddy kit but 300WHP would be the limit and chances are it wouldn't be that reliable since the engine is not built for it.

Proper Prior Planning.

I either have the know how or know people that do, I don't need to exp my life to everyone, but simply I am an accomplished EE with some extremely capable mechanic friends. If I had the desire I have no doubt I could build an entire turbo'd 8. I know enough and enough people I could develop an ECU flash myself. This would be my 4th rotary car and I have or know enough people to make any of these kits work (including and Fab work needed). Point is, I have other hobbies and am starting a new business (3D modeling) and neither have the time or desire to do it. This is why I was looking for a reliable bolt on kit for modest hp gains. I am not going to race or autoX, but I live in Denver and am already at a significant hp loss from altitude so i was looking for a good option.

You can swap in a 13BREW(FD3S) for about the same price ($10,000.00) make 300WHP+ all day. Turbo renesis isn't worth the hassle if you want 300WHP+

Anyway, thanks for all the helpful posts, I appreciate the heads up about the kits I was contemplating. If I decide to get the 8 I am sure I will have more reliability type questions.

Thanks, I just don't have the desire to do an engine swap, although my 94 FD was my favorite car I have ever owned. I loved that car. My first car was an 84 GSLSE, that is what got me hooked on the RX's.

There have been plenty on here that have gone into an FI install on these cars with the same idea .....' My mechanic mate will get me through it '.
Most of them failed because they didn't take into account the fact that their friend didn't know squat about this particular platform . Even well known tuning shops have failed miserably.
That said - there is good knowledge on this forum on how to do it right . You can get the result you want relatively easily these days, if you do your homework, because all the mistakes have already been made.

And BTW : a 300whp+ RX8 is an awesome machine . If you really want to go down this path a S1 would be better simply because it has been done so many times before and you aren't trying to be a pioneer.

I agree the S1 would be a better option, maybe if I come across one in the next few months. I had honestly not thought about an 8 until I came across that '10 with 20k miles on it. I was driving by and saw it, pulled over and took it for a test drive which brought back all those memories of past cars. I had my mind set on the new JGC diesel if/when it ever shows up. So this was just an idea to keep my X (which is fine) and have a toy. I hadn't read up on 8's in forever (back when the axial flow SC was still being developed) so I started reading up on it and decided to post my questions. I wish I had the time to develop what was needed, but I just don't, which is why I was looking for a reliable bolt on kit. I would be happy with a reliable 220-250 (at altitude) to the wheels if that is manageable.

Speed1 in AllenTown told me the Turblown Kit was the nicest stuff they had ever seen for an Rx-8 on the one they installed.

Oh really......


http://www.flickr.com/photos/9krpmrx8/11409131334/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9krpmrx8/11409130684/

Both of these were shipped to customers who bought the same "kit". F#$ck Turdblown.

LOL wtf.

first off speed1 hates working on 8s and ive seen a turblown 8 there at a dyno tuning day that was nothing short of a complete clusterfuck. 9k has a lot of dealing with that "kit" and has proved multiple times how full of fail it is

Turdblown's welds makes it possible to cry and laugh at the same time

huh?

Mazda RX-8 Turbo Manifold - Turblown Engineering

http://www.turblown.net/store/produc...fold_Welds.jpg

you a turdblown fanboi? 9k's picture not clear enough for you?

huh?

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3698/1...8bf985a1_c.jpg

:lol: Yeah I always wondered why they never put pics of all of their actual work on the website and Facebook. I tried to put them on the FB page but they get deleted. But here and on rx7club.com my posts can't be deleted by Elliot.

Omg, my friend was considering this kit. I have to show him this. O_O

Have him read the Turblown low mount thread. Shitty workmanship aside, they also took close to a year to deliver on both of my friends "kits" and then they both needed at least a grand to get re-fabricated to work properly. Slash8 went with a whole other kit altogether after getting his money back thru a credit card dispute charge back. Turdblown is another den of liars, withe everyone one it was just one BS excuse and lie after another, just stay away.

Just talked to Dave@S1 yesterday and was shooting the shit with him about Turbo ideas. He still recommends using the kit, but not the turbo that they provide.

Kit works, may be ugly and you'll take forever to get one is what I got out of it.

No they don't work as sold. You should talk to people who actually have experience with this kit. Dave doesn't know what he is talking about here. The turbo itself is the only thing that did work as advertised but that is only because it's the put together by Comp Turbo and not Turdblown.

Anyone considering turblowhard should read the low-moun thread. Save yourself the headache. Or go for it, but don't complain when you get screwed. Seriously, trying to save you the pain. I wound up piecing together my own kit for half the money and much better results, for one it actually works :) It took work, but it was well worth it! I do thank turdbrown for the horrible experience, however, as it gave me the motivation to do it myself.

You are lucky you got your money back man. I am so glad it all worked out for you, I can't wait to see some 1/4 mile run video. If I were to ditch my low mount setup I will likely go with the PTP kit, I plan on picking up a kit without the turbo before they run out of them.

And another thing ............ Any claims Turblown make about their kit making 400whp are complete and utter BS.

Well they did make that, once, briefly.

I personally don't believe they ever even got close .
They used a dodgy dyno and proceeded to pull off the biggest BS story in the history of the forum!............................................ ........... IMO:)

Well Hoss-05 is friends with/served with the owner of that car (who does not care for Turblown so has no reason to lie) and he said his father was present (he was in Afghanistan) at the dyno day and drove the car that day. It was very short lived however. He now has a 20B Turbo in it.

The fact that someone was there doesn't prove anything other than that number appeared on the screen for that particular dyno.

Here is the story as I remember it :

*They dyno the car at 10PSI and get around 300whp . MM says "we only used 1/2 throttle" .If you have driven enough turbo 8s you will know the power difference between 10psi at 1/2 throttle and 10psi at full throttle is minimal.
Where the throttle is (in relation to boost at the manifold) has minimal effect on how much power you are making .
I argued the point with MM at the time but was shut down .......per the typical MM MO.

*They then re-dyno the car and suddenly make 423whp on only 10PSI . This is SOOOOOO far out of line with anything else anyone has done before or after . Not only that , if you look at the flow chart for a GT35 (pretty sure that was the turbo) you will see that 60ish lbs/min at 10psi is impossible. Even Mazdatrix with a PP renesis can't recreate this kind of majic.

*Later on the owner re-dynos the car at 10psi and struggles to make 300whp .

Did I miss anything ?

Yeah definitely dyno magic plays into it I am sure. But his father said it was very fast and from what I gather he has experience with fast cars. If that means anything. It doesn't really matter I guess though since the people who did the work are so unreliable.

A 300whp RX8 IS very fast .............. ;)

Until you drag race a Camaro ZL1 on nitrous, then it's just silly slow.

But PSI doesn't matter it's all about flow, LOL.

You remember those arguments too huh ? LOL

I suppose so .
As far as what matters and what doesn't ........... in the context of what us FI guys are doing it does matter . That result made everyone else who worked hard and didn't even get close look silly.
The fact that it was BS needs to be acknowledged .

I'm sure many here do as well. Some of them were epic back and forth bitching :lol:

That's what happens when stubborn people argue a point that has elements of truth on both sides . ;)

Well I don't think I was around here then, but I've read them and laughed a lot. Then I found MM's rotary math sheet and said how the hell could he calculate all that, but can't figure out 10 PSI is around 300 on a renesis.

Yeah most of what has been claimed over the years and is being claimed today is pretty much bullshit and wishful thinking in terms of numbers. Over the years I have just learned to ignore all dyno claims and just pay attention to real world results that can't be altered or faked. Having two other local turbo RX-8's to go to the drag strip with will give us a better picture of what is really capable.