edi.ckv

Charles, can i still use other plug wires ? or is it necessaries require to use the OEM MSD plug wires ?

nabatron

I want to get these BHR kit but just bought my 10' r3 so its still pretty new I want to know what are the noticible difference from stock and the kit? and also do u guys ship to Canada?

invasion08

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Yes ,there is a difference and they will ship to canada.

paimon.soror

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I have yet to purchase mine but yes, from what I have read up and talked to the BHR guys about, there is a noticeable difference and overall increase in reliability. Not only that but they lurk these forums on a daily basis so you really have nothing to lose. Worst comes to worst you try it, dont like it, then sell it on these forums, guaranteed it wont last a day on a for sale page here.

adambomb

Just bought my BHR Ignition with new spark plugs for my 09 R3. I have about 18k miles on it, and I will let you guys know how it goes. I will also take pictures and video to get a good before and after thing for all you guys with S2's.

Charles, when do you think I will be getting these if I ordered them on November 25th?

Thanks, and I can't wait to put this on my car. I have only heard good things!

paimon.soror

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Oh i know, I was just trying to give him some more insight on options for him if he through some act of god couldn't get a hold of you guys or something or if he wanted to sell it to a lucky forum member. Thats what i meant by

moeswrx

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Would this ignition upgrade void the cars warranty? Has anyone been denied warranty due to this upgrade? I might of read somewhere that this product has to be proven to have caused a failure as any aftermarket product installed into a car.

paimon.soror

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It depends on what you are claiming a warranty for. If you go in because your suspension blew out, then no, you wont be denied warranty services. If you go in there because your motor blew, then it really comes down to how the dealership wants to play. Technically yes, they have to prove that this part in fact caused a problem. Mind you that the chances of mazda spending time, money, and research on something like this is very slim. Will the dealer give you heat for it? Maybe. But if you search the forums you will see a bunch of reports of either :

A. The techs not even noticing the new coils
B. The techs actually approving the use of these better coils

I have yet to read that someone was turned away due to the use of BHR's coils.

ASH8

Hey.. nothing against free/fair trading, BUT, I have some trouble justifying the cost of changing coils on Series 2 RX-8's to BHR's.

IMO it is too early to tell "IF" Mazda's Series 2 upgrade to the all new Coil Mounting Bracket with Vented Channel under the Coils themselves will extend the coils life and spark/ignition reliability.

After 2 years and 20,000 miles my OEM S2 system feels as good as new.

IMO it is more important to check the condition of your Spark Plugs.

I find it difficult to justify the cost of renewing to a BHR Coil Pack while the S2 is still covered with a B2B Factory Warranty.

The 'B' iteration of the Coils started VERY LATE in Series 1 RX-8's from 1st December 2007 Production.
New Coil Mount Bracket started with Series 2 Production from April, 2008.

So basically the new OEM Coils were only used for a few months production in last of Series 1 RX-8's, about and ONLY 1200 New RX-8's before the new Series 2 model and coil set-up.

My point is, is it too early to tell IF the Latest Factory Coils still have performance and reliability issues like early S1's???

Personally, I have a few sets of new OEM Coils in stock which cost me $138 (a set).
Are S2 owners REALLY Seeing and Feeling ANY benefits using BHR Coil Packs?

YES, the 2 earlier iterations of N3H1-18-100(and A) had reliability issues, the N3H1-18-100B have not seen any failures to date....they are only 28 months old.

paimon.soror

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^^ Agreed, I was thinking the same thing, that there wouldn't be enough time and data to do a full reliability analysis on the new coils vs BHR coils. The thing is though, after doing some searching and reading up on the BHR stuff, they haven't really come out and stated that these coils are a recommendation for the series 2 cars nor have they claimed that the rev b packs have failed or have issues. I think at the moment its one of those "it cant hurt" upgrades for the S2 while it is a "recommendation" for S1/RevA packs.

paimon.soror

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^^

Charles dont get me wrong, I appreciate and understand where you are coming from. I think over time we have come to understand how much the ignition upgrade you guys provide has become a staple for S1 owners and has generally become the driving point on vehicle reliability. The only thing I was trying to make note of, (and maybe ash) is that I wish we as S2 owners had lots more data to go by than just 3 (for example) people. I was just making note that it is hard since we dont have much S2 activity on these forums and most S2 owners have yet to upgrade the ignition system because of all the heresay about RevB coils and their reliability. We just need more users to take the plunge and share their experience, which with the reputation that the bhr ignition system has, shouldn't take very long.

bse50

Maybe the revision B will actually last longer when paired to the new bracket but what about the difference in ignition potential? That may be another reason beside reliability to pull the trigger on Charles' coils.

You could also buy 1 new stock coil and play with an oscilloscope to see how they perform after your mileage
I've personally never seen a coil fail completely but i've seen them work @ sub-optimal specs for a long time, wasting the spark plugs and playing a huge role in fuel consumption increase\carbon buildup etc.
A coil costs 40$ so it may be an interesting and worth doing test

ASH8

Come on Charles..

Perhaps you could throw up some test data between the B Coil and what you Sell...the B coil has a B stamped on it's side...not an A.

Personally I will go with what Mazda have done to S2, which shows exactly why ALL the modifications carried out for a "reliability or parts performance reasons".
Which also happens to include the Water Pump, Intake Manifold and Gearbox.

None of the Vendors you suggest say their parts will fit a Series 2, apologies if they do.

Everyone of the changes to the S2 (mechanically) was done to address said issues.

IMO Mazda modded the coil bracket to either isolate the base of the coil perhaps to keep the coil away from direct engine/metal heat and or to ventilate coil base.
Definitely has merit.

The B coil has been modded, as I said it is ONLY 28 months old.

To suggest any S2 Owner should spend hundreds of dollars on a mod that will show no physical change to the performance of the car is ludicrous, particularly while the car is under Warranty...WHY would you spend the money.

Just as ludicrous to even suggest MNAO would use/sell a coil marketed by a private vendor...do you really believe Mazda Japan would give that the go ahead..?

cbmmm3

let the Data speak !! I am of emotional ilk to believe that the BHR Ignition Would/Will improve my S2. But sure would like to see empirical proof so that my cheap dutch *** knows that my hard earned dollar was well spent,

Having drivin rotaries since 1981, I just have this intuitive feel when driving my S2 that the stock ignition system sucks. So come on all you geek brainiacks
out there....prove it for the S2 masses !

I can be a test mole

ASH8

How about this Grow UP Charles..I thought more of you mate..

If you are about to TALK "Waning Credibility (in your eyes)", I did NOT purchase an "Alcohol Injection System" from you or BHR did I??, all I purchased from BHR was a TB Nozzle Spacer Plate...that is it.

You gave me your advise.
Just to let you know my bitser system I do not use it as a FULL Time Alky Injection Setup.

This THREAD is not about me or you personally, although it does not look that way.

No one is Crapping in your thread of 'Trying to SELL' a Product to Series 2 RX-8 owners.

As a Series 2 owner I am simply pointing out..is it 'necessary' and "How does" an S2 owner provide a balanced testimonial After installation when there was not an ignition ISSUE/PROBLEM in the first instance..Naturally any owner would see an "improvement" or 'Feel' when Spark Plugs are also renewed at the same time.

What S2 owners have wanted advise with any issue concerning their ignition system, wanting a repair or upgrade BECAUSE their existing Coils are defective. (like Series 1 ignition problems)??

Really, it is amusing to even suggest there is some performance gain out of renewing coils that are less than 3 years old (try Spark Plugs First)...if memory serves me correct it was 4 or 5 years before we had seen issues with the original S1 coils...it was in fact at 4.5 years of production before coil iteration was changed to B at Mazda Factory Line.

Electrics or Electronics for Mazda?, how does Mitsubishi, Denso, Bosch sound to name just a few...and your point??

Paul at Mazmart also sells OEM Coils and his Mazmart Remedy Water Pump, but I don't see last time I checked that he is recommending his Water pump for Series 2 Owners...I would like to see one fitted.

I guess time will tell Charles..were Mazda expensive upgrades to the Series II a total waste of $$$'s, I also wonder why they changed the Coil Base Plate and Coil Leads in S2...just for the heck of it.

But YES, IMO it would be good to cut open A outsourced (made to Mazda Specifications) Coil from an original OEM RX-8 and Compare it to the ones used and supplied (B) today.

ASH8

I agree, I would like to see proof or evidence that the S2 Set-up is inferior or warrants replacement.

That is the updated Coils...along with..
All New Plug Leads S2 ...N3R1-18-140A
All New Coil Base Plate S2 ...N3R1-18-105

So far my OEM set up performs faultlessly, having said that I definitely get an improvement when I renewed my Spark Plugs last year.

adambomb

Well, as mentioned before, I have an 09 R3 and I already purchased the BHR ignition kit. I have ~20k miles on my 8 and will do my best to do a pre/post comparison. I will take some video and will definitely take pictures of the before and after.

I did buy spark plugs because I looked at how often the plugs should be changed, and it seems like it may be a good idea to either change them now or relatively soon.

Charles, would it be best to have new spark plugs along with the installation of the ignition kit? Or would that skew my results if my plugs were needing replacement in the first place?

xexok

If you replace the plugs at the same time as you do your BHR ignition kit you really cant be sure which made the difference. If your in need of plugs at this time then replacing them will obviously make the car drive better.

I think what ash is wanting is some actual test results, not butt dyno. I wouldnt mind seeing some myself.

I'm not saying the BHR kit wouldnt do something for s2 owners but I dont trust people saying it did. If you spend $400 on something you already have your mind made up that its going to make a difference or help performance.

Flashwing

The BHR ignition system is the most heavily scrutinized product on the market for the RX8. You can search the multiple ignition upgrade threads as there have been plenty of people who have tried to claim there are no benefits to be had. Most have never used, installed or even seen our kit in person. Those who had refused to return them for a full refund despite making such claims.

If you are unsure, ask anyone from over 400 customers both in the US and internationally owning the kit, various shops verifying the benefits independently and the product itself being featured in Modified Magazine. I'd say "tested and proven" is an understatement. Our kit is used on unmodified RX8's to RX8's that are track driven such as the Mazdatrix Time Attack RX8.

(facepalm) Right, why didn't we think of that!

If the mountain of people who own the kit (including several S2 owners) isn't enough, here's all the evidence you need. If you buy the kit and don't feel it gives you any benefit then send it back and we will give you your money back.

xexok

With the changes to the s2 I dont want to look at what happened to an s1. I have no doubts it has an effect on s1 cars.


Maybe you didnt notice, but the post above mine asked if it would make a difference if they changed your kit in at the same time they did their plugs. I was replying to that.

I'm not saying the kit doesn't work or have any effect. All I am saying is I would like to see some type of test by you showing they are superior to the oem s2 stuff and by what margin. There no point in arguing about this because I have doubts we will ever see a test other than butt dyno or a 'feeling'.

Thats fine I can accept that.

Flashwing

That's cool, we'll be here when you change your mind.

xexok

I will also be here, on the off chance you change yours.

paimon.soror

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There really is no point in arguing back and forth here. I think essentially what everyone is trying to say here is : "Can we get some more S2 data"

Stating that there are "several S2 users" is as useful as saying "there are several S2 users using premix" ... in both cases it was shown that S1 owners thrived off of the added engine reliability, but just like in the case of the premixing, I dont think substantial data has been found and analyzed to confirm the claims on the S2.

Ekim

Kinda scared to post anything after you guys are on here ripping each others guts out lol...I understand the want for Documented Data of the improvements the BHR Kit has in a S2. I personally have a S2 and installed the BHR kit a approx. 5k and I noticed a difference in performance. Engine runs smoother, Revs smoother, throttle is more sensitive....I love it!!! Im sure some of you may discount my post, because no 1 knows who I am and I never post, BUT this doesnt make what Im saying any less true.

I think until Data comes out or anyone actually buys their own BHR Kit, there will always be some hesitation.....I have to say that every1 WOULD believe the hype if they experience it for themselves....

cbmmm3

Hey Ekim.....lets get some additional data from you please.
2009 or 2010 model year ? ( yeah I know...just curious )
how many miles on car when BHR was installed ?
what state are you located in ?
plugs changed at same time ?
other changes - or mods - done at same time as BHR install ?

thanks in advance for your reply