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01-27-2006, 04:55 PM
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messed up my suspention
Well, this morning i went canyon running at Angels crest in located in SoCal,
And some of you know that i have a new set of wheels and that they are staggered 9.5 rear 245s, 8.5 front 225's
Now I was warned that if i did this setup that i was going to have understeer , & this was true because i realized that while i was up in the canyon this afternoon
So whats the best way to fix my little problem here.
I was thinking New front sway bar, and rear sway bar , with stiffer shocks n springs?
Now dont get me wrong , the rear grips very well. it's just that my front isnt to stable.
And some of you know that i have a new set of wheels and that they are staggered 9.5 rear 245s, 8.5 front 225's
Now I was warned that if i did this setup that i was going to have understeer , & this was true because i realized that while i was up in the canyon this afternoon
So whats the best way to fix my little problem here.
I was thinking New front sway bar, and rear sway bar , with stiffer shocks n springs?
Now dont get me wrong , the rear grips very well. it's just that my front isnt to stable.
01-27-2006, 05:07 PM
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Seems like a lot of tweaking and adjusting to basically get it back to what you had... !!! Really the "best" way is to go back to the superior stock setup... 
Good luck, maybe some tuning guru's can lend you a hand...
Good luck, maybe some tuning guru's can lend you a hand...
01-27-2006, 05:49 PM
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Well, this morning i went canyon running at Angels crest in located in SoCal,
And some of you know that i have a new set of wheels and that they are staggered 9.5 rear 245s, 8.5 front 225's
Now I was warned that if i did this setup that i was going to have understeer , & this was true because i realized that while i was up in the canyon this afternoon
So whats the best way to fix my little problem here.
I was thinking New front sway bar, and rear sway bar , with stiffer shocks n springs?
Now dont get me wrong , the rear grips very well. it's just that my front isnt to stable.
And some of you know that i have a new set of wheels and that they are staggered 9.5 rear 245s, 8.5 front 225's
Now I was warned that if i did this setup that i was going to have understeer , & this was true because i realized that while i was up in the canyon this afternoon
So whats the best way to fix my little problem here.
I was thinking New front sway bar, and rear sway bar , with stiffer shocks n springs?
Now dont get me wrong , the rear grips very well. it's just that my front isnt to stable.
01-27-2006, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by kw1k
And some of you know that i have a new set of wheels and that they are staggered 9.5 rear 245s, 8.5 front 225's
So whats the best way to fix my little problem here.
I appreciate a woman in stilletto heels but I don't expect her to do any jogging in them. Either like your wheels for the look or ditch them for better performance. Just don't try to do both at the same time.
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01-27-2006, 06:09 PM
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^^ This setup was not my idea, friend of mine who does rims / tires etc told me to go with this setup I dont know why, He told me looked into it and that I could not have Fit 275s. But i knew that i could have n i told him that, he said that this setup would be fine so i went along with it thinking he's the expert..
Before you start calling me a "ricer"? get your facts straight. And How would i be speading even more money if i was already planning on doing it.
Before you start calling me a "ricer"? get your facts straight. And How would i be speading even more money if i was already planning on doing it.
01-27-2006, 06:15 PM
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As you're only 18, just consider you've been taught a life lesson... in the future... do you own research... make your own choices.... most peps don't know jack about what they profess to know most about.
Thank someone you got off easy... you coulda been hurt by his stupid decisions about your car purchases. Your own knowledge is the best investment you can ever make in your life.
Thank someone you got off easy... you coulda been hurt by his stupid decisions about your car purchases. Your own knowledge is the best investment you can ever make in your life.
01-27-2006, 06:22 PM
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^^ This setup was not my idea, friend of mine who does rims / tires etc told me to go with this setup I dont know why, He told me looked into it and that I could not have Fit 275s. But i knew that i could have n i told him that, he said that this setup would be fine so i went along with it thinking he's the expert..
Before you start calling me a "ricer"? get your facts straight. And How would i be speading even more money if i was already planning on doing it.
Before you start calling me a "ricer"? get your facts straight. And How would i be speading even more money if i was already planning on doing it.
Stagger looks cool, just sucks for performance.
btw there is nothing wrong with those size tires on those wheels for the street. Just for better performance when it comes time to replace them try a 245-255 front and a 265-275 rear, lots more meat.
Tell your buddy 285-30-18s will fit all the way around on 18X9.5s...... then kick him in the nutz.
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01-27-2006, 06:27 PM
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did you not read the sticky at the top of this section? well, here's the first post...
and here's the link: http://sportcompactcarweb.com/projectcars/0404scc_350z/
good luck
Originally Posted by Gord96BRG
Lots of people here seem to be looking to install wider tires and wider wheels at the back of their RX-8s. We have to assume that they really like the look of wider wheels and tires on the back of a vehicle, but there may also be an impression that staggered tires and wheels somehow must enhance handling? Well, the short answer is - they don't.
There was an excellent article in Sport Compact Car recently where they installed new tires and wheels on their Project 350Z part II - Balance . The 350Z from the factory comes with staggered wheels and tires - and it understeers. To achieve neutral handling and eliminate the understeer, SCC found they had to install the same size tire on the front of the 350Z as the rear, and it greatly improved the handling and balance of the car.
So how does that translate to an RX-8? Easy - if you install wider tires on the back of a stock RX-8 than you have on the front, you will transfer the handling from neutral to understeer. Lots of people will say they only drive on the street and so they don't mind - but if you enjoy the neutral balance, be aware you'll be changing it for the worse if you go staggered.
The article has some interesting comments on tires, wheels, and handling that are relevant to RX-8s and other sports cars - definitely worthwhile reading.
Regards,
Gordon
There was an excellent article in Sport Compact Car recently where they installed new tires and wheels on their Project 350Z part II - Balance . The 350Z from the factory comes with staggered wheels and tires - and it understeers. To achieve neutral handling and eliminate the understeer, SCC found they had to install the same size tire on the front of the 350Z as the rear, and it greatly improved the handling and balance of the car.
So how does that translate to an RX-8? Easy - if you install wider tires on the back of a stock RX-8 than you have on the front, you will transfer the handling from neutral to understeer. Lots of people will say they only drive on the street and so they don't mind - but if you enjoy the neutral balance, be aware you'll be changing it for the worse if you go staggered.
The article has some interesting comments on tires, wheels, and handling that are relevant to RX-8s and other sports cars - definitely worthwhile reading.
Regards,
Gordon
good luck
01-28-2006, 12:25 AM
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I agree with what purnrg said, there ARE repurcussions in buying cheap heavy cast wheels that add 6 pounds of unsprung weight it would lessen the braking and turning performance of your car. If you kept it stock you would have been way better off, as a matter of fact you probably save more money just putting your oem wheels back on, then you won't have to buy suspension parts to dial your ride back to "par". 
01-28-2006, 01:37 PM
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Well, this morning i went canyon running at Angels crest in located in SoCal,
And some of you know that i have a new set of wheels and that they are staggered 9.5 rear 245s, 8.5 front 225's
And some of you know that i have a new set of wheels and that they are staggered 9.5 rear 245s, 8.5 front 225's
Rather than try to compensate for the damage already done, why not cut your losses and run? SELL the current wheels/tires!!! Take that money, add in the extra money that you're talking about spending on sways etc., and put it into light wheels and good tires! Find wheels that are 20 lbs ea or lighter, same width front/rear, and get some good tires, maybe 245s all around, on them. THAT will drastically improve your handling!
Regards,
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01-28-2006, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Gord96BRG
You know, your "friend" who gave you advice really jerked you around. It seems those new wheels of yours are boat anchors (28 lbs!!!!), Nitto 555 tires are crap, you got a too-narrow staggered setup... whatever you do, don't take advice from him again.
Rather than try to compensate for the damage already done, why not cut your losses and run? SELL the current wheels/tires!!! Take that money, add in the extra money that you're talking about spending on sways etc., and put it into light wheels and good tires! Find wheels that are 20 lbs ea or lighter, same width front/rear, and get some good tires, maybe 245s all around, on them. THAT will drastically improve your handling!
Regards,
Gordon
Rather than try to compensate for the damage already done, why not cut your losses and run? SELL the current wheels/tires!!! Take that money, add in the extra money that you're talking about spending on sways etc., and put it into light wheels and good tires! Find wheels that are 20 lbs ea or lighter, same width front/rear, and get some good tires, maybe 245s all around, on them. THAT will drastically improve your handling!
Regards,
Gordon
But yes i agree with you 100%, I guess my next set tires i should probably put 265s in the rear maybe and 245 in the front?
Guys also he's saying would charge me about 150 w/ alignment to install springs for me? That seems so expensive.. Is this a legit amount or should i go else where
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01-28-2006, 11:45 PM
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I suggest you educate yourself and read this thread.
https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-wheels-tires-brakes-suspension-55/effects-wheel-size-weight-performance-51865/
https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-wheels-tires-brakes-suspension-55/effects-wheel-size-weight-performance-51865/
01-29-2006, 04:23 PM
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guys listen, you guys are making it seem as if i could afford selling my current wheels n tires and go ahead and buy 2000+ wheels. I'm only 17 a student with a shitty job! it would take me sucha a long time to save enough money to buy them! of course i would love to have volks , or Wed sport or SSRs but i simply cant afford them..
Now you guys didnt know that side of the story obviously so right now, i just want to know that later on if i put lets say 265s in the rear or whatever add some Sway bars n rear struts ITS obviously going to be better then what it is currently right? of course! so what might you suggest i do 1st
Now you guys didnt know that side of the story obviously so right now, i just want to know that later on if i put lets say 265s in the rear or whatever add some Sway bars n rear struts ITS obviously going to be better then what it is currently right? of course! so what might you suggest i do 1st
01-29-2006, 06:34 PM
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yes it would better but the point everyone was trying to make, especially since your "17 w/ a shitty job" is sell the wheels go back to oem wheels which are lighter, then buy sways and struts. That setup would work a lot better than taking two steps back and two forward.
01-29-2006, 08:02 PM
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Kwik, I am all for experimentation. Thanks for braving the flames to post (though I also agree that you should have expected what you got.) Would you mind, if you can, posting exactly what you were feeling and compare it to stock and even other cars you have driven? Especially note initial turn in. Just curious. I have a thought on this and am wondering if your experience will confirm.
PS. Dont put both sways on if you want to continue to run these. Just put the stiffest rear bar in that you can stand. You could also consider increasing just the rear spring rates. None of this will get you the best handling that you can get unless you back off the stagger.
PS. Dont put both sways on if you want to continue to run these. Just put the stiffest rear bar in that you can stand. You could also consider increasing just the rear spring rates. None of this will get you the best handling that you can get unless you back off the stagger.
01-29-2006, 09:58 PM
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Actually i forgot to mention, i was at the malibu canyon yesterday afternoon with some of the other SoCal Rx8 guys & i had very very little understeer if even any! i was really happy with it Although i wasnt pushing the car to its limits , i was pushing myself.
Carbon, So I should leave my stock front sway bar stock? and stiffin up the rear?
Carbon, So I should leave my stock front sway bar stock? and stiffin up the rear?
01-29-2006, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by carbonRX8
Kwik, I am all for experimentation. Thanks for braving the flames to post (though I also agree that you should have expected what you got.) Would you mind, if you can, posting exactly what you were feeling and compare it to stock and even other cars you have driven? Especially note initial turn in. Just curious. I have a thought on this and am wondering if your experience will confirm.
PS. Dont put both sways on if you want to continue to run these. Just put the stiffest rear bar in that you can stand. You could also consider increasing just the rear spring rates. None of this will get you the best handling that you can get unless you back off the stagger.
PS. Dont put both sways on if you want to continue to run these. Just put the stiffest rear bar in that you can stand. You could also consider increasing just the rear spring rates. None of this will get you the best handling that you can get unless you back off the stagger.
Another reason i wanted to go staggered was because i'm planning on going FI and the extra grip in the rear is a plus
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Originally Posted by kw1k
Carbon, So I should leave my stock front sway bar stock? and stiffin up the rear?
Originally Posted by kw1k
The car feels just fine, I guess One of the reasons that I did have so much understeer was because I had gottin the rims 2 days before i went to the canyon! so i guess you could say they were not "brokin" in yet ( the tires of course ), but when i was at the malibu canyon yesterday which was a day before the angels crest canyon. I felt almost no understeer, and was keeping up with everyone just fine even with 2 extra people in my car. June & i left the pretty big gap on one of our runs! Sure the stagger setup isnt as good but hey. we have to remember the fact that the driver is also key!