Did a search and found this thread. The only thing I noticed is that the foam on my dipstick isnt showing up white. It looks brownish. My oil was changed only 1200 miles ago so I shouldnt need an oil change. It was changed at the dealer suppossedly with the recomended 5w-20. It was about 37 degrees today. Was just curious if the brown color was the same thing, or if trhis means I should be worried.

Not to worry. Only about half of the oil in the car is changed during an oil change due to the amount of old oil that remains in the oil coolers and oil cooler lines. Just change the oil regularly--like every 3K miles--and you will be OK. BTW, the color of the oil will be brown/black almost immediately after the first time the car is operated following an oil change. It's ugly, but not much you can do about it in a practical sense.

As you probably read, there is a "fix" for this issue, but IMO the fix could be worse than the issue itself. The issue is really just a cosmetic thing and has no detrimental effect on the engine, so my advice is to not bother with the so-called fix.

Thanks. I wont worry about the 'fix' then. I appreciate the help.

Who does NOT have the milkly oil on their dipstick
 

Not trying to be funny, but i am pretty dxxm funny.

Yep. Same 1500 miles. Almost had a heart attack when I checked the oil. Jumped in to check the board immed. Whew! Probably cold climate related. Am in Colorado. Does any not have this issue? Why not?? Oil type, drving style. Climate???

Cold climate causes this. To save you a post in the summer the fan runs long after shut done on very hot days.

Don't know if this had been posted before, but here is the service order on the milky white substance issue...
http://www.finishlineperformance.com...09-05-1450.pdf

-hS

A PCV system has been added to the 2006 models as an attempt to stop this issue.

A real fix?
 

I took my 8 in for the well known new dipstick, tube insert update. While in the shop, the dealer called and said they had received a rather large, complicated kit of parts, but no instructions. They would search for a new TSB and get back. I emailed a link to the TSB list and the well known 5 page dipstick and tube instructions. They called later and said that the kit they received is a new fix for the milky oil / blow by issue. The parts kit is redily available but the TSB to match has not been released.

Any Mazda insider out there that can provide an ETA for the TSB??

I wouldn’t let the dealership practice a new TSB on my 8. Especially for a non-issue like this. As stated many times in this thread the seasonal gunk on the dipstick has zero effect on the car. I have gone through three “ seasons of the gunk “ and 64,000 miles later all is still well with my 8.

its probably the parts from the 2006 models PCV system. i havent actually gotten to look into i tyet but was thinking of doing a DIY for it once i sorted teh parts out. ill look into the TSB and get back to you. itll save me some typing if they do one- and you all know about my typing;)

Bump
 

I took my 8 in for the recall and they still have the 'dip stick' parts kit and are waiting for a TSB to show up so they can install it for me (see my last post, above). Any news on an ETA for the TSB to upgrade the PCV system??

Yes it looks like the 2006 PCV system.

Here is the TSB: http://www.finishlineperformance.com...50-06-1664.pdf

Would this be sufficient for a forced induction vehicle or is the oil catch can a better option?

"Foam" on oil dipstick
 

Hello All
I've read through just about the entire thread about this strange phenomon of frothy looking oil on the dipstick. Just observed this for the first time, after driving for about 1 hour at highway speeds with outside temps about 25 degrees F. Stopped for about 20 mins and then checked the oil. Found froth at the top and the bottom of dipstick, even after checking several times and wiping the dipstick off. Oil was changed about 500 miles ago but at a less than reliable dealer. Car has about 25,000 miles. You guys seem to think this isn't a problem. I did have the coolant light flash a bit last week, added coolant. Also noticed rouger idle and less power than previously. From what I could see oil level was OK. Haven't started using 2 cycle synthetic oil in gas yet, but per this list will shortly. Still no cause for concern / action?
Thanks much!

If you are concerned, take it in to the dealer and complain about it. After reading that the TSB was in, I took my 8 in between Christmas and New Years and had the evap system installed (free). I can't say if it has helped because the salt trucks started running the day after I got it back, so I put the RX away for the winter. You've got a 2004, why not get a 2006 evap!

Concern? Yes! Your description suggests a more serious problem, so see your dealer ASAP.

If you have frothy oil--that is, the oil "itself" is frothy--that is definetly a concern. The white stuff that has been discussed ad nauseum in the forum and is covered in the sticky is a white frothy mass at the top of the dipstick and/or the oil filler cap/tube. This is caused by a bit of condensation mixed with oil and air. This is a fairly common thing with other cars as well in the cold weather and is not a concern. If the oil at "the bottom of the dipstick" is frothy, that is not what the sticky discussion is about.

unless he keeps scraping through it when hes putting the dipstick in...i just got this for the first time too...below 30 here and short trips a lot

My questions is how do I read the damn dipstick? I get up to operating temp for a while and the crap is still there, wipe it and comes back everytime I put the stick in to read it.

:spank: don't worry bout it .it is just the condisation in the tube that happens in the cold temps.when the temps are in the 60's plus it all go's away...at lease for me in the three years of flying with my 8! :ylsuper:

I completely understand that. My question is in these cold months how am I supposed to read if my oil level is low or not? There's too much crap to read the level.

I have the same problem
 

I have the same problem like there is a water and oil sticking on the dip stick,like a sludge looking like.. the dealer said that normaland i said that not good for the engine..i'm still have resolve the prolem with the dearlership..i guest we both have the same problem

I backed my 8 out of the garage and did the fog light rewire. I started the engine a couple of times to make sure I did the for light rewire job right. I waited about 10 to 15 minutes and checked the oil level. I pulled the dip stick out, wiped it, re-inserted and pulled it out again. The dip stick had white foam with the oil all over it. I did the procedure again with similar results. The bottom bent end of the dip stick had a drop of foaming looking oil on it as well. The oil smelled like it had gasoline in it. The outside air temp was around 54 degrees.

The 8 has about 1500 miles on it. Oil level was 1/2 quart low. The car had been driving 24 hours earlier.

I would suspect if I were getting water into the oil the oil level would rise.

I'm hoping this condition is caused by cool temperature and no warm up.

Can anyone out there help?[/QUOTE]

the SB fix didn't fix anything
 

I went to the dealer to get the fix done so I could actually read the oil level, its been a couple days now, but when I check the oil at the dealer it seemed fine, a couple hours later when I pulled over for gas (been driving for bout 20 min) the milky crap was back. I can't read the dipstick even after the so called "fix". maybe I will just keep taking it in, and get a new 8 out of it :o

I have it too, just noticed when I checked my oil freaked out read all this and still freaking out. Mine is ALL up and down the dipstick, so I'm taking it in at 3:00 today we'll see. Hopefully they don't castrate me for my intake.

Why would you, or anyone else be "freaking out"?

Many of us, myself included, still have the original dipstick and deal with this every winter...60K later, original engine and everything is fine.

Geez louise you guys cracked me up with those posts... Shinka you will be the first to get a new 8 because of the foam on the dipstick. It is harmless as long as you can see if oil needs to be added.

Try checking the oil when it is cold and don't freak out, it can cause the oil to fly off the dipstick and then you would add oil when it isn't needed.

I don't think warranty covers over filling the oil and wrecking the engine. ;)

Freaking out because until I read this I had no clue, in piston engine it's usually a sign of somthing bigger. The other reason I'm worried is cause I can't check my oil, can't see anything but the frothy goop. Thirdly everyone states that they mostly only see it on the top near the grommet, mine is ALL over the frickin thing.

Here's the question I pose. How many people are seeing this that are copletely stock vs. those who have mods. (intake/exhast) etc?

Yes, you can check the oil. It goes all the way down my dipstick also. Wipe off the dipstick, put it back in to get the level...that's all it takes.

Had it when the car was completely OEM, have it now that it isn't. No difference.

I'm trying to be helpful here, worry about other things, like warming up the engine properly, redlining, etc...

why Freak out ? because you guys are morons.

You will find water everywhere, even in your gas tank, its just that you dont *see* it doesnt mean its not there.

Get over it. Its harmless.

When it's chilly here, like today, (-33*C) I can get brown foamy ICE at the top of the dipstick......


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Because I've had the car for two months didn't know it was 'normal'. Uneducated on the matter, so I guess it makes me a moron to want to make sure my car is working correctly. Stupid me I guess next time I see somthing strange I'll just ignore it like you!

Oh yeah also the stealership wants to void my warranty due to my aem intake and greddy exhaust...man they are a bunch of fXXks.

When I was completely stock I had foam when it was cold.

When I did intake and exhaust there was no change.

:cool:

This works. The earlier system with the tube did not. However I did have a problem in that the mechanic hooked things up wrong. Threw two CELs. Had to take it back and have it done again.

Sorry my bad, I dont really mean that. (moron thing)

stealership are the fuxking morons.

They cant void you anything unless they can proof that the *aftermarket parts name here* is the cause of failure, and the cause of failure is something that can hold in court, not *because the tech said so*

I understand their point, they dont want to deal with *unknowns*. and they should not responsible for the end user's own action. my friend had a Sienna, bought in I think 2002 or something, I drove it when he got it for couple hundred miles, it was pulling strong and stuff. after a year, I drove it again and I was like wtf is going on? The engine feels like its about to blow up or something, CEL was on of course. after further discussion I found out that he(his father to be exact), NEVER change the oil, yep, the oil in the engine is STILL the same oil came out from the factory, and that was like what 30 or 35K miles already. I asked him have you guys ever changed the engine oil ? he was what? you have to change engine oil ? LOL , I took him to the oil change place, when they drain the oil, the guy was like wtf the oil is pitch dark and looks like water. they sold the car after maybe 2 months cuz I told them you guys fucked it up bad, its better to trade it in. and CHANGE the oil next time every 3-5 K miles or so. they did, got an odyssey. This story has nothing to do with aftermarket parts, but if he took his Sienna back to the dealership, they still have to fix it, they have no idea what the user did.

but most dealership wants to give people shit just because they want *easy money* instead of *have to check everything else*

^^No worries, I'm not butthurt over it.

They stupid thing about them wanting to void my warranty is that I have the AEM intake which is the exact same thing as the Mazdaspeed intake. And that's what they wanted to void the warranty for. WTF.

Just joining the club i have it here too, 30min + trips. Everything is working fine and like you all have said its not hurting anything so w/e.

Got Ventilation Kit to Solve Milky Substance on Dipsticke- Now Have Engine Light
 

Well, Last Monday, I put my 05 MT in to have the warranty work done to replace the condesation in the tail light and the milky stuff on the dipstick bofore I kit 5ok miles. I thought I would get a :banghead: dipstick sleeve installed, but instead I got the new ventilation kit installation (Bulletin 01-050/06 issued 11/21/2006). Two days ago, I smelled a strange odor in the car that I thought was the cars ahead of me and yesterday, my engine light CEL came on for the first time. The new ventilation kit involves disconnecting the battery, removing the extension manifold, installing a modified oil filler pipe and EVAP/fuel line bracket to the extension manifold, replacing the gaskets on the extension manifold, and installing a new PCV hose to he engine. There was a guy on this thread last week that said he had this done and got two CELs. I dropped my 8 at the dealer this morning and the first thing the service guy said was the Dipstick procedure does not involve the electrical system. But the Service Bulletin makes it clear it does involve the battery and three solenoids. Does anybody know of this happening to them after getting this warranty work done. I kind of wish I did not request it now.

Welcome to the world of *stupid fuxking dumbasses loaded dealership*

Its funny that last time when my clutch bracket broke, they said it has something to do with the clutch. What a freaking joke. and Mazda Tech line said this is a *one time* repair only. I guess if it breaks again while still under warranty and they refuse to fix it. I will have my friend's father to go after their asses. Its good to know some lawyers who will do stuff for you for free ya know :)

Thats probably one of the reasons why when I had the SSV CEL, I refuse to go back to the dealership for the fix. Hell they were trying to blame it on my K&N Intake, what a bunch of dumbasses. if they can blame it on K&N for something totally not related, why would I trust them to be able to replace the solenoid ?

I know it's just not moving well, after a couple of *open close open close open close* on highway the CEL never came back.

This Milky thing is completely harmless, people just being paranoid, now you wish you did not request it ? I think you should wish that they did not *fuxked* your car up when they were trying to install the thing. u know, cut some wrong wires, u know, short something, u know .... most dealerships are running by bunch of idiots.

Thanks for the support. I'll just have to see if they fix it. Bob

Good luck man ! :)

let us know how it goes.

Hello, this is the guy with no name speaking. The first CEL was code P0410, Secondary Air Injection. There are three solenoids (electrical) with three vacuum hose outputs. He got two of the hoses interchanged despite the fact that they are clearly colour coded. I also got CEL code P0171, System too lean. The car pinged. It turned out he also disconnected of forgot to reconnect some vacuum hose. If the mod is done right, you will be glad you did it. It works. And despite whether it is necessary or not, you will be able to check the oil, and any potential buyers won't freak from viewing the froth. Good luck with your dealer. I actually had to show the service manager the mistake made. They had another mechanic redo the work. The first mechanic did not get paid for his time, and was pretty humiliated by the second who took great glee in pointing out the fkups.

This is a problem with our economic system.

Minimum Wage, Minimum Effort.

Enuff said.

I'm completely stock and just saw this for the first time tonight. The cold thing would make sense as it is well below freezing here.

I have the milky buildup on my dipstick also. I called the local dealer and he said that they had a few RX 8's come in with the same problem and they were changing out the dipstick???!!!

i picked up some lucas or risolene oil stabilizing gel and it took car of problem altogether

Everyone Stop Freaking Out!!!!!

This condition is normal according to a TSB released by Mazda. It is indeed condensation that develops at the dipstick tube. It is not in the engine, that is unless your 8's coolant level is constantly low. An oily film on top of the coolant only means it needs to be changed.

You can confirm this with ANY garage that is A.S.E. certified. It does not have to be a Mazda dealer. However, if you can't stand to see this (which I can't) there is a vent kit that can be installed to alleviate this "problem". Idk what it costs, or how involved the installation is, I skimmed through the procedure, and the throttle body, and intake extentions need to be removed. As long as the coolant isn't low, don't worry. If you are in KY (which no one with an 8 is) look me up. I will let you know how it turns out.

Just got my new 2005 with 7000 miles, Picked it up north of Orlando and drove it 250 miles down to Miami (in cold weather averaging 90mph-4000 rpm's) with brand new oil. This car was recently serviced by the dealership, I went to check the oil this morning and there it was "capuccino foam" all over the dipstick. Freaked me out at first, but after reading this thread I guess it's normal.
Relief.

its just tiny bit of water foaming up on ur dipstick, no biggy

if you are out of warranty the dealer wants to charge 600 bucks to fix this issue