Originally Posted by tskeltonPGA
(Post 2225656)
SWOOPE...def not a squeel...raw metal on metal spinning sound...like i said...can be heard from a good 100 yards away...oh yea...def. nice and quite when you push the clutch in...only noise when clutch is out
that's what i got goin on |
let me see if my memory is clear swoope k? have patience before i really need to dig up the service manual.
motor-flywheel-friction disc/pressureplate/throw out bearing/clutch fork---input shaft/trans. and in that order. am i missin something? |
Originally Posted by tskeltonPGA
(Post 2225656)
SWOOPE...def not a squeel...raw metal on metal spinning sound...like i said...can be heard from a good 100 yards away...oh yea...def. nice and quite when you push the clutch in...only noise when clutch is out
my best guess is pilot bearing made worse by misaligned ppf... or you could also have a failing clutch pedal that is putting just a bit of pressure on the to bearing.. right now all one can do is try to point you in the right direction.. i hope the online manual helps.. beers :beer: |
Originally Posted by TrochoidMagic
(Post 2225662)
let me see if my memory is clear swoope k? have patience before i really need to dig up the service manual.
motor-flywheel-friction disc/pressureplate/throw out bearing/clutch fork---input shaft/trans. and in that order. am i missin something? beers :beer: |
swoope...how could my ppf just suddenly have become misaligned tho? it was aligned properly for 69,000 miles and at 69,054 decided to become misaligned? no it def. was NOT the clutch...the clutch was not messed up at all..i thought all along that the clutch felt fine...hell the tranny feels fine changing gears driving the car...its just a noise...a very loud metal on metal grinding/spinning noise...thats what has me leaning towards a bearing...but still not sure obviously...trying to go over the manual right now
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ok tskel, and swoope...sorry if i'm being a dick.
i know what it is. and i know the symptom. and just have patience, let me bust out the service manual. i can state the clearances and specs... though whoever did the repair is probably a dumb-ass and don't know how to use the service manual or have the proper tool to measure the clearances. so here it comes. and to answer the earlier q's, no. a clutch can be fine and throw-out bearing go bad. for example...do you ride your clutch? do you step on it even if not goin anywhere? see, you can step on the clutch all day and not use the friction disc once... that'll kill the bearing for sure. does that answer the question good enough? |
Originally Posted by tskeltonPGA
(Post 2225667)
swoope...how could my ppf just suddenly have become misaligned tho? it was aligned properly for 69,000 miles and at 69,054 decided to become misaligned? no it def. was NOT the clutch...the clutch was not messed up at all..i thought all along that the clutch felt fine...hell the tranny feels fine changing gears driving the car...its just a noise...a very loud metal on metal grinding/spinning noise...thats what has me leaning towards a bearing...but still not sure obviously...trying to go over the manual right now
and it is common for people not to replace the pilot bearing as it take a special tool to get it out, and it is a bit of a bitch.. so the noise was there before and after? correct. the clutch looks fine. what does that tell you.. btw, a very long shot... http://www.finishlineperformance.com...4-06-1641a.pdf hey. but what do i know.. beers :beer: |
Originally Posted by swoope
(Post 2225673)
they took the trans out to replace the clutch? if they did not do what is in what i linked, well there you go...
and it is common for people not to replace the pilot bearing as it take a special tool to get it out, and it is a bit of a bitch.. so the noise was there before and after? correct. the clutch looks fine. what does that tell you.. btw, a very long shot... http://www.finishlineperformance.com...4-06-1641a.pdf hey. but what do i know.. beers :beer: the noise was there before and after...that is correct...the clutch looks good...that is correct...i don't know what that tells me tho swoope...im still trying to sort through the manual |
Originally Posted by TrochoidMagic
(Post 2225672)
ok tskel, and swoope...sorry if i'm being a dick.
i know what it is. and i know the symptom. and just have patience, let me bust out the service manual. i can state the clearances and specs... though whoever did the repair is probably a dumb-ass and don't know how to use the service manual or have the proper tool to measure the clearances. so here it comes. and to answer the earlier q's, no. a clutch can be fine and throw-out bearing go bad. for example...do you ride your clutch? do you step on it even if not goin anywhere? see, you can step on the clutch all day and not use the friction disc once... that'll kill the bearing for sure. does that answer the question good enough? did you read the part where the throw out bearing when it fails makes noise when the clutch is depressed??? the throw out bearing is not in use when the clutch is out.. i do have one note on the exception on that in my posts.. beers :beer: |
ok so this is important right here...
basically...those looking at this thread have said NOTHING about it actually being the tranny correct??? this is extreemly important right now!!! |
Originally Posted by swoope
(Post 2225665)
yes the pilot bearing, and how the clutch adjusts..
beers :beer: so its that... as for the clutch adjustment... look up anything with clearances on clutch slave cylinder and you'll sure come up with something. being its a hydraulic unit, it can have too large of a gap leading to too much free play. or too close, and binding...like always riding on the clutch pedal, never fully disengaging the disc and partly slipping...early disc failure. |
Originally Posted by TrochoidMagic
(Post 2225685)
ok. pilot bearing is on the friction disc side. mazda decided to mess with me and call this the clutch release collar...
so its that... as for the clutch adjustment... look up anything with clearances on clutch slave cylinder and you'll sure come up with something. being its a hydraulic unit, it can have too large of a gap leading to too much free play. or too close, and binding...like always riding on the clutch pedal, never fully disengaging the disc and partly slipping...early disc failure. the pilot bearing and clutch release collar are not the same...i'm looking at the diagram right now the pilot bearing is between the flywheel and the clutch disc while the clutch release colar is on the transmission side of the clutch cover.. it goes flywheel--pilot bearing--clutch disc--clutch cover--clutch release colar |
ok so can someone do this for me...
when the clutch pedal is OUT/NOT PRESSED IN...what all is SPINNING i know stupid question...but please can someone give me details as to what exactly is spinning...only reason i ask is because it is the sound of something metal rubbing on something metal while its spinning...just trying to get a list of things..what i have right now is pilot bearing and clutch colar...anything else? |
Originally Posted by tskeltonPGA
(Post 2225690)
the pilot bearing and clutch release collar are not the same...i'm looking at the diagram right now
the pilot bearing is between the flywheel and the clutch disc while the clutch release colar is on the transmission side of the clutch cover.. it goes flywheel--pilot bearing--clutch disc--clutch cover--clutch release colar not sure what mazda calls it.. wow, trying to help is hard!!!!! :) beers :beer: |
ha no shit man!!!! thats for all of it tho guys! the clutch release collar is the same thing as a throw-out bearing or release bearing right...just trying to clarify
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Originally Posted by tskeltonPGA
(Post 2225692)
ok so can someone do this for me...
when the clutch pedal is OUT/NOT PRESSED IN...what all is SPINNING i know stupid question...but please can someone give me details as to what exactly is spinning...only reason i ask is because it is the sound of something metal rubbing on something metal while its spinning...just trying to get a list of things..what i have right now is pilot bearing and clutch colar...anything else? beers :beer: |
well i know its not the clutch and not the clutch disc and not the engine and not the input shaft...does the collar release bearing spin when the clutch pedal is out? or is the pilot bearing the only one that spins? or does it even fucking spin
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Originally Posted by tskeltonPGA
(Post 2225690)
the pilot bearing and clutch release collar are not the same...i'm looking at the diagram right now
the pilot bearing is between the flywheel and the clutch disc while the clutch release colar is on the transmission side of the clutch cover.. it goes flywheel--pilot bearing--clutch disc--clutch cover--clutch release colar but here's the catch: the system can be in proper installtion order. but was the system bled? do that. and after the clutch slave (clutch release cylinder) is bled, check other adjustments... if you're looking up the manual, go to clutch pedal adjustment, pedal stroke inspection/adjustment. pg 5-10-4. and pedal play... and this is where i mean adjustments. if measuring pedal play (5-15mm) and if measuring pedal push-rod play.. and you should come up with 0.1mm-0.5mm. |
Originally Posted by tskeltonPGA
(Post 2225700)
well i know its not the clutch and not the clutch disc and not the engine and not the input shaft...does the collar release bearing spin when the clutch pedal is out? or is the pilot bearing the only one that spins? or does it even fucking spin
clutch release collar inspection 5-10-15. i can pretty much guarantee that something there is outta order. |
o btw, here with only 5k miles. after noticing someone with an 06 and around 20~k miles, i noticed the collar noise. mine just started to have very slight noise, but gone only when pedal is depressed.
so like i said, this symptom i know for sure...and it must seemingly be a design flaw. |
Originally Posted by TrochoidMagic
(Post 2225712)
o btw, here with only 5k miles. after noticing someone with an 06 and around 20~k miles, i noticed the collar noise. mine just started to have very slight noise, but gone only when pedal is depressed.
so like i said, this symptom i know for sure...and it must seemingly be a design flaw. it is the input shaft spinning in the trans... if you can sit in another rx8 you will hear the same thing.. it sounds worse if you are sitting in a garage.. as for a design flaw, you decide. it is what it is.. :) beers :beer: |
tom,
here is the photo.. it is not charles, but the same issue... https://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php...&postcount=162 btw, after the talk. cant wait to see how this plays out.. wack. beers :beer: |
good find swoope. you seem to know where the answers to problems are posted on here.
good luck helping him, i hope you got him what he needs. as for me...i can live with it. it barely started as i put more miles on, but is very slight. i can live with it... it ain't getting noisier and i'm still under warranty. |
Originally Posted by TrochoidMagic
(Post 2225719)
good find swoope. you seem to know where the answers to problems are posted on here.
good luck helping him, i hope you got him what he needs. as for me...i can live with it. it barely started as i put more miles on, but is very slight. i can live with it... it ain't getting noisier and i'm still under warranty. i hope i did to, but the issue here is out there a bit.. :) wack.. find someone in your area and compare, it will ease you mind... beers :beer: |
no shit its out there a bit...i swear this has to be simpler than we are making it out to be...
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