HELP. PCM Problem car won't start
#1
HELP. PCM Problem car won't start
I've been reading a lot of help topics in this forum and it has helped me a lot in some ways. So I wanna say thank you to all members who are so knowledgeable with the RX8. You guys are of great help.
So here's my situation.
I just bought a used 04 RX8 with 67K miles on it a couple of months back sometime in Oct of 2010. Drove the car for at least two months then had it stocked away for the winter. Now that it's warming back up again here in Chicago...I went to the routine of changing the most common issues with the 8 after sitting around for a couple of months.
So the next thing I did is have my 8 towed to a car shop where they checked my battery, alternator, starter...all my wires, relays and fuses. And everything checked out. My battery is full and everything else is good. But the car won't start. The only thing they found out is that when they bypass the PCM the car would start. So they told me to bring it to a Mazda Dealship...which I'm tryin to stay away from. I have dealship phobia...I just think they're all rip-offs.
Anyhow...I read some threads here about resetting the PCM. So I tried that today...did all three. Done the Millage press test...the 20 break pedal press...then unhook the negative on my battery for 15mins to reset the CEL. After all that...started the car and it fired just fine. Went to all the flashing DSC Off and traction off sequence...did the wheel turns to disengage the DSC light. And I thought that solved the problem...my CEL was not on anymore. But when I turned off the car and tried starting it back on...same thing still...just click click click. Here's the weird part...at this point I'm convinced that it's a PCM problem. As I was about to exit the car...I tried one more time to start it up...and it DID! And I didn't do anything. But of course...when I turned it off it won't start again. So I'm wondering is it random?
Need some insights on these matters. Any advise would be highly appreciated.
I love this car...got plans of installing Cold air intakes, new cats, and maybe later on some turbo kits. Right now I just need to know whats wrong with it.
And sorry about the long post...just tryin to be detailed as much as I can so that you guys can asses the situation better.
Thanks
So here's my situation.
I just bought a used 04 RX8 with 67K miles on it a couple of months back sometime in Oct of 2010. Drove the car for at least two months then had it stocked away for the winter. Now that it's warming back up again here in Chicago...I went to the routine of changing the most common issues with the 8 after sitting around for a couple of months.
- Changed the battery
- Changed Coils
- Changed Plugs
- Changed Wires
- Did an oil change
So the next thing I did is have my 8 towed to a car shop where they checked my battery, alternator, starter...all my wires, relays and fuses. And everything checked out. My battery is full and everything else is good. But the car won't start. The only thing they found out is that when they bypass the PCM the car would start. So they told me to bring it to a Mazda Dealship...which I'm tryin to stay away from. I have dealship phobia...I just think they're all rip-offs.
Anyhow...I read some threads here about resetting the PCM. So I tried that today...did all three. Done the Millage press test...the 20 break pedal press...then unhook the negative on my battery for 15mins to reset the CEL. After all that...started the car and it fired just fine. Went to all the flashing DSC Off and traction off sequence...did the wheel turns to disengage the DSC light. And I thought that solved the problem...my CEL was not on anymore. But when I turned off the car and tried starting it back on...same thing still...just click click click. Here's the weird part...at this point I'm convinced that it's a PCM problem. As I was about to exit the car...I tried one more time to start it up...and it DID! And I didn't do anything. But of course...when I turned it off it won't start again. So I'm wondering is it random?
Need some insights on these matters. Any advise would be highly appreciated.
I love this car...got plans of installing Cold air intakes, new cats, and maybe later on some turbo kits. Right now I just need to know whats wrong with it.
And sorry about the long post...just tryin to be detailed as much as I can so that you guys can asses the situation better.
Thanks
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Maybe it's just a bad starter.
Once some of the heat dissipates the starter works.
<shrug just a thought>
You could also try cleaning your eccentric shaft sensor ... (don't think it's that but you've done everything else)
Is it an automatic or standard?
Maybe the safety on the clutch or gear shifter isn't working perfectly .....
(sub'd and bump for an interesting problem)
Once some of the heat dissipates the starter works.
<shrug just a thought>
You could also try cleaning your eccentric shaft sensor ... (don't think it's that but you've done everything else)
Is it an automatic or standard?
Maybe the safety on the clutch or gear shifter isn't working perfectly .....
(sub'd and bump for an interesting problem)
#5
When I had my car scanned for codes they gave me 7 codes.
P0300
P0125
P0506
P0171
P2004
P2097
P0302
I was told that most of the codes needs to be cleared coz they were already replaced.
Any ideas on these?
P0300
P0125
P0506
P0171
P2004
P2097
P0302
I was told that most of the codes needs to be cleared coz they were already replaced.
Any ideas on these?
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P0300 Random misfire detected Flash/ON 1 or 2 Misfire ´
P0302 Rear rotor misfire detected Flash/ON 1 or 2 Misfire ´
P0125 Insufficient coolant temperature for closed loop fuel control ON
2 CCM
P0506 Idle air control system RPM lower than expected ON 2 CCM
P2004 APV stuck open ON 2 CCM
P2097 Target A/F feedback system too rich ON 2 Fuel system
P0171 System too lean ON 2 Fuel system
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What do you mean bye "I can hear the engine engaging but all it does is click click click ". Does the motor turn over or it just clicks. Its been sitting for a while, maybe you have a bad connection at the battery or starter .
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P0300 Random misfire detected Flash/ON 1 or 2 Misfire ´
P0302 Rear rotor misfire detected Flash/ON 1 or 2 Misfire ´
P0125 Insufficient coolant temperature for closed loop fuel control ON
2 CCM
P0506 Idle air control system RPM lower than expected ON 2 CCM
P2004 APV stuck open ON 2 CCM
P2097 Target A/F feedback system too rich ON 2 Fuel system
P0171 System too lean ON 2 Fuel system
P0300 Random misfire detected Flash/ON 1 or 2 Misfire ´
P0302 Rear rotor misfire detected Flash/ON 1 or 2 Misfire ´
P0125 Insufficient coolant temperature for closed loop fuel control ON
2 CCM
P0506 Idle air control system RPM lower than expected ON 2 CCM
P2004 APV stuck open ON 2 CCM
P2097 Target A/F feedback system too rich ON 2 Fuel system
P0171 System too lean ON 2 Fuel system
#9
I had everything checked out with regards to my battery connection and starter. And I was told that everything is fine. It's just that the PCM is not letting anything through the solinoid or something like that. Thus will not crank up my engine or start up. They tried to bypass the PCM with a wire and the engine just starts up.
When I turn the key to ON I can hear the something mechanical that seems to be moving. But when I turn it to START all I hear is that click click click and that engine wont even turn. But everything inside the car is working...radio, lights, windows etc. And oh...when I start it...the MAZDA RX8 on the dash goes out then comes back on again. As if like the battery is dead.
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