Raves44

so i just to my air box off and noticed that there is grease in the black hose leading into the intake manifold. i have no idea what it is or how it got there please help if you have any info on what this could be or if my car burped it up.

RX8Soldier

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It's oil. Could be caused by many things.

Click the "google" link in my sig, type "oil in accordion" (or similar), and do your homework. The search function doesn't require a masters in rocket science to use...

Raves44

Being a d-bag on the internet does not require a BA either...

RIWWP

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Keep it calm. He wasn't.

He was just pointing out that it's not all that difficult to search for answers.

RX8Soldier

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I guess being helpful requires even less

Raves44

Well I am not new to forums, I have been on them for many other things, including cars, and I post things if I can not find the answers on my own. Did not find it with the search function.

MauiMazda2

I came to this link with some interest as I have the same problem - oil in the accordion.

I also find these forums INCREDIBLY difficult to get good sense out of with just a search.

There is so much info, often contradictory, often lacking context (are we talking Series 1 or Series 2 model just for starters and don't get me started on oils!). And also the level of expected knowledge is quite high in many threads with unexplained abbreviations thrown around like confetti. What is a part-time newbie supposed to do???

Anyway Soldier you have been helpful to me in the past but I cannot miss this opportunity. "oil in accordion" produces.... <drum roll> zero hits!

OK other searches produce links like https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-tech-garage-22/oily-mess-intake-accordion-190847/

So the question is - I have a modest amount of oil in the accordion and a tiny amount in the airfilter box. It is good clean oil. Do I need to worry about it?

I have coils, water in lights, dashboard mat, audio system and other crap to worry about - please tell me I do not need to worry about this. I just bought a fun car to drive around.

Aloha and thanks for all the help I have already received (including deflooding and recoiling, installing audio system and much more).

Much love
Steve

LittleZ360

I'm guessing you put a little too much oil in when topping off at some point. The oil being in the accordian/intake isn't a problem as long as you own a rag... Overfilling your oil however can cause other issues like the SSV getting gunked up and what not. Might be a good idea to wipe off the MAF sensor as well.

MauiMazda2

Is it overfilling .... or just being clumsy???? I did goop some my first attempt at a top up but did NOT overfill (ie put too much in) and when it came back from an oil change it was a little under rather than over.

OK time for a bit of cleaning out at some stage.

Thanks for the feedback.

BTW - SSV? vot iz? Slow Speed Valve, Secret Sausage Vent, Sudden Sex Vault

redline86

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We need a sticky for abbreviations and what they stand for. I've been wondering the same question but didn't really wan't to ask. I think I know it opens at a set RPM, it is in the intake manifold, and that they are natorious for sticking due to carbon build up and oil. I think it is also responsible for air turbulance when they open which is the cause of the dips in dyno graphs. Might be way off on that however.

Raves44

Well I looked into it and the last person to deal with the oil was the dealership and I would hope they would not over fill it however it is always a possibility. I was assuming that the design of this engine to use so much oil had a lot to deal with that. It was just a little nerve racking at first lol. Does not seem to be a problem thus far but it is something I will be keeping my eye on. "if it ain't broke don't fix it"

Raves44

Also good news is that after cleaning the connecters under the airbox, my ABS light and traction control light turned off. Now the CEL is back on again -_- so hopefully I can get the codes this time from Autozone and not pay an arm and leg to let the dealership put their hands on it.

nycgps

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instead of post and wait for someone to "solve" your problem, if you search you would've found your answer a day something ago.

JESUS.

*Doing this ONCE just for RIWWP"

RIWWP

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For the record, we actually do: https://www.rx8club.com/rx-8-faq-9/faq-update-63747/

Thanks

redline86

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I should have found that much sooner, epic fail on my part but thanks RIWWP.

alnielsen

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I had oil in the intake once from a plugged catalytic converter. Many times it's just from over filling during an oil change.

RX8Soldier

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For the record, did you use the google search function, AS I STATED IN MY POST?
Here it is, with MANY results http://lmgtfy.com/?q=site%3Arx8club....l+in+accordion
And, just to make it easier, you can use ANY KEY WORDS IN YOUR SEARCH to do it all on your own

I've explained it before; I even have the link in my sig. Some people are just lazy. Period.

How much hassle could have been avoided, with accepting just a little constructive criticism, instead of letting egos get in the way...

nycgps

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Don't bother man ... dont ...

LittleZ360

OVERFILLING the oil will do so. Just being clumsy with the oil bottle isn't likely to get oil in the air box and the accordian... You'd have to dump like 5qts all over the place I would think for it to get in there.

SSV-Secondary Shutter Valve *It's a component of the lower intake manifold that often gets sticky in cases where excessive oil is added. Jon316G's posts on here will tell you everything you need to know about it.

I'm not saying for certain that excessive oil is what caused this, but would be my most supported guess.
I'd at least change the air filter, clean out the box and accordian, and wipe off the MAF sensor (gently).

Who knows... Maybe your dipstick shrunk.

Stop it... I wasn't serious about that.

If you did overfill the oil, you can make sure it never happens again by installing an oil catch can

StealthTL

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In my opinion (and it's nothing more)

Oil in the accordion is NOT from overfilling (except the first oil change my dealer ever did - "how many quarts does an RX-8 take?"...."says here in the book, seven" So two ended up in the air filter, and subsequently, on the floor of their shop.)

Oil comes out of ALL those vent tubes when you give it the throttle.
Especially the pre-'06 models that have NO PCV system.
Huge amounts of combustion blow-by build up in the sump and the sump vents directly into the accordion, thru the oil filler!

Just sayin, I'm certainly no expert, and have done absolutely NO legwork on the issue - but I've worked it out 'to my own satisfaction' that the oil overfill is a red herring, and a catch can is the solution.


S

LittleZ360

So where do you think the oil goes when you overfill it???

StealthTL

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How is an overfill even physically possible?

One jug is not enough to overfill, yet more than the sump capacity - you'd have to start on a second jug (or your sixth or seventh quart) to achieve this lofty goal. just how misinformed would you need to be?

So, technically possible - if you keep filling jug after jug, it will end up in the air filter, yes.

wcs

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I think a lot of the oil comes just from filling/topping the oil up.

If you just use the bottle of oil when filling, its easy to let the oil pour against the top part of the filler neck.
This will allow oil to drain down that tube to the intake accordian tube thingy thing.

JM2C

LittleZ360

An overfill is very possible... I think you're "assuming" that the overfill will only occur during an oil change. I'm more likely to think the overfill would happen while topping off, as this should be done like 20 times more often than actually filling after draining.
Unless you happened to let your oil low enough to require an entire "jug" which I certainly don't.

In the event the oil level was mis-interpreted, it could lead to adding more oil than necessary. When you get between the L and F lines, it doesn't take much to make the level go up or down, therefore not very difficult to add too much... especially if you're accustomed to adding entire bottles.
I typically top it off everytime I fill up on gas, and a qt. will last me approx 5-7 full gas tank fills.

As far as spills/drips... Ever heard of a funnel? It looks like a party hat with a hole on the end...
Sorry, but we all know how to prevent a mess with oil...