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FazdaRX_8 05-23-2013 05:27 AM

where are Hybrid N/A builds
 
maybe its too soon, but its been a while, has anyone found some hybrid builds?

specifically one like mazdatrix hybrid minus the turbo.

rx-8 side irons, gle-se (fb) housings, rx8 rotors with rx7 apex seals. I have heard of this type of build but I havne't found any build threads or results from them.

the fb rotor housings are considerably cheaper then rx8 housings purchased brand new. and they have the appropriate coolant seal grooves

the taller apex seals are necessary so the seal keeps its shape while going over the perhipreal exhaust port on the fb housing

seems like you could have good power output but less low end torque maybe 260whp?

anyways if anyone has some links or knowledge I would love to see/read about it!!
I will keep searching and if I find anything I will post it here

nycgps 05-23-2013 07:43 AM

You cant be serious are u? Its dyno proven to be completely pointless, well unless you have too mucb money to waste just to proof that it can be done. Otherwise ... ppl just gonna laugh

and did u just said fb housing is cheap? U do know its nla right?

j9fd3s 05-23-2013 11:07 AM

i've heard of a couple in japan, it puts you in the 280rwhp area. i don't remember which shop has which car. there is one with blocked off side ports @280hp, and another shop is using the Rx8 intakes on a bridgeport REW.



Originally Posted by nycgps (Post 4477081)
and did u just said fb housing is cheap? U do know its nla right?

the 12A housings are NLA, the 13B housing, N304-10-100C has plenty of supply

FazdaRX_8 05-23-2013 03:01 PM


Originally Posted by nycgps (Post 4477081)
You cant be serious are u? Its dyno proven to be completely pointless, well unless you have too much money to waste just to proove that it can be done. Otherwise ... ppl just gonna laugh

and did u just said fb housing is cheap? U do know its nla right?

where is the dyno and build thread you speak of that suggested its pointless?

Cart Price Check Part:10-100C-N304

496$ is cheaper then $715


Originally Posted by j9fd3s (Post 4477191)
i've heard of a couple in japan, it puts you in the 280rwhp area. i don't remember which shop has which car. there is one with blocked off side ports @280hp, and another shop is using the Rx8 intakes on a bridgeport REW.

the 12A housings are NLA, the 13B housing, N304-10-100C has plenty of supply


Thank you J9fd3s if you have any more info or links I would greatly appreciate it

j9fd3s 05-23-2013 03:32 PM

no links, i have a buddy who apprentices at a JDM shop, ive been hearing about the JDM Rx8's for a while.

revolution rotary spent 6 months going between the dyno and the flowbench and they are getting 280rwhp from side ports. they sell the whole thing as a package, new engine, intakes, ecu, full exhaust, $16k!

FazdaRX_8 05-23-2013 03:39 PM

does the jdm shop have a link?

Heeroguy 05-23-2013 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by nycgps (Post 4477081)
You cant be serious are u? Its dyno proven to be completely pointless, well unless you have too mucb money to waste just to proof that it can be done. Otherwise ... ppl just gonna laugh

and did u just said fb housing is cheap? U do know its nla right?

GJ being an asshat

nycgps 05-23-2013 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by j9fd3s (Post 4477191)
i've heard of a couple in japan, it puts you in the 280rwhp area. i don't remember which shop has which car. there is one with blocked off side ports @280hp, and another shop is using the Rx8 intakes on a bridgeport REW.

all that effort for that, Thats why I said it's a waste of time, might as well do a swap or just add some sort of FI.


the 12A housings are NLA, the 13B housing, N304-10-100C has plenty of supply
You are right, 12A housings are NLA, but I wouldn't call 11 of 13B housings left "plenty"


Originally Posted by FazdaRX_8 (Post 4477396)
where is the dyno and build thread you speak of that suggested its pointless?

Cart Price Check Part:10-100C-N304

496$ is cheaper then $715

You think it will be cheaper to build a hybrid stuff than going FI ?



Originally Posted by Heeroguy (Post 4477553)
GJ being an asshat

Thank you for your contribution, oh wait, what did you do again? oh right, NOTHING.

FazdaRX_8 05-24-2013 04:45 AM

I think it could be cheaper to build a na hybrid then going FI

if you had a good motor all you need to do is swap out the rotor housings 1k, machine the rotors for rx7 apex seals 500. the seals themselves 350, make an exhaust flange and custom header 1k. you could add some porting, re-ameny did some neat stuff with the apv port. tighter side seal tolerances

so its about 3.5k, yes a use greddy could be had, but there is also 6.5k turbo kits.

with an n/a build you wouldn't have to worry about predetination

its just an idea, I haven't seen anyone do it, if this setup made even 280whp-300whp na. it seems like a better option then a turbo

I already have a turbo setup FYI

Slidin8 05-24-2013 05:03 AM

I am a big fan of the hybrid set up (and I would like to do it myself if my financial situation was better) but I would like to see some sort of proof of it being at 280ish whp

Pretty easy to make these claims on the internet with no back up

Just saying...........

FazdaRX_8 05-24-2013 05:22 AM

agreed thats why I started this thread to find someone who has done the leap

some tidbits
RE-AMEMIYA Side Port RENESIS

nycgps 05-24-2013 07:17 AM

hohoho, 3.5K? good luck man. it will cost you more than double to get it running. mark my words.

FazdaRX_8 05-24-2013 10:06 AM

Lol

This is not a build thread is a thread about other underground builds away from the judgement and critasism of the internet :)

j9fd3s 05-24-2013 10:23 AM


Originally Posted by nycgps (Post 4477566)
all that effort for that (280hp), Thats why I said it's a waste of time, might as well do a swap or just add some sort of FI.

its only 50 more hp than any NA ive seen in the us...


You are right, 12A housings are NLA, but I wouldn't call 11 of 13B housings left "plenty"
A) 11 housings is actually like a 5 year supply, and B) they only have 8 Rx8 rotor housings, i see no panic over that.

nycgps 05-24-2013 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by j9fd3s (Post 4477793)
its only 50 more hp than any NA ive seen in the us...

all the extra work u need to make that 50 hp work ... might as well just snap a turbo on and call it a day (probably less work)

it might be an interesting project, but it's not worth it imo.




A) 11 housings is actually like a 5 year supply, and B) they only have 8 Rx8 rotor housings, i see no panic over that.
at least they still have 100s of rx-8 housings in Japan still, but FB housings ... they don't make them anymore.

j9fd3s 05-24-2013 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by nycgps (Post 4477814)
all the extra work u need to make that 50 hp work ... might as well just snap a turbo on and call it a day (probably less work)

it might be an interesting project, but it's not worth it imo.

extra work? you just rebuild the engine with a different rotor housing, much easier than plumbing up a turbo.


at least they still have 100s of rx-8 housings in Japan still, but FB housings ... they don't make them anymore.
how do you know? and it doesn't matter, they have them

j9fd3s 05-24-2013 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by FazdaRX_8 (Post 4477786)
Lol

This is not a build thread is a thread about other underground builds away from the judgement and critasism of the internet :)

this is actually where most of the cool cars live, off forum.

FazdaRX_8 05-26-2013 01:03 PM

this is a good read

https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-aft...engine-176251/


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