Spark Plug Analysis Needed (Pictures)
05-12-2007, 10:25 AM
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Spark Plug Analysis Needed (Pictures)
Well, here is the story. I bought my car used about a 2 months ago. It is a 2005 with 21,000 miles on it. Right after I bought it, I got the big emission recall done because the previous owner had seriously neglected the car and not had it done. When the dealership did the recall, they said the plugs did not need to be changed, even though I complained about a "pinging/knocking" sound when accelerating.
I finally got tired of the knocking sound and decided to go ahead and buy some new plugs at my own expense, and got my usual local mechanic to replace them this morning. Sure enough, the car seems to run better and on the ride home, I didn't here the knocking sound.
I don't know jack about spark plugs, but to me the old ones look pretty bad. My mechanic also said that 2 of the plugs weren't even tight when he went to take them out, which makes me think that the dealer removed them to inspect them and didn't tighten them back up when putting them back in. From what I have read on other threads these things come from the factory crazy tight. I wan't some opinions from people that know what they are looking at before I go and raise hell at the Mazda dealership.
I finally got tired of the knocking sound and decided to go ahead and buy some new plugs at my own expense, and got my usual local mechanic to replace them this morning. Sure enough, the car seems to run better and on the ride home, I didn't here the knocking sound.
I don't know jack about spark plugs, but to me the old ones look pretty bad. My mechanic also said that 2 of the plugs weren't even tight when he went to take them out, which makes me think that the dealer removed them to inspect them and didn't tighten them back up when putting them back in. From what I have read on other threads these things come from the factory crazy tight. I wan't some opinions from people that know what they are looking at before I go and raise hell at the Mazda dealership.
05-12-2007, 12:26 PM
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Those look "normal". They are the old-style plug which were replaced with a different design in the middle of '05.
I suffer from loose plugs frequently. They simply back themselves out, so it may not have been the dealer's doing.
Typically, they wouldn't have even bothered to check your plugs if they were intent on not replacing them.
I suffer from loose plugs frequently. They simply back themselves out, so it may not have been the dealer's doing.
Typically, they wouldn't have even bothered to check your plugs if they were intent on not replacing them.
05-12-2007, 02:53 PM
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Looking at the first picture, they all look pretty good. What you should be looking for is the color of the center insulator (see pic). If the center insulator (red area on pic) is a brown or tan color, the plugs like the A/F mixture you're feeding the engine. You can generally ignore the other crap on the plugs except to get an indication of what the carbon buildup elsewhere in the engine might be.
05-12-2007, 07:40 PM
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and the very crappy pictures (next time take a picture of the end so that you actually see into the plug) the plugs look normal other than you had some arcing at one of spark plug boots. This indicates loose spark plug cables more than anything else.
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05-12-2007, 08:38 PM
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and the very crappy pictures (next time take a picture of the end so that you actually see into the plug) the plugs look normal other than you had some arcing at one of spark plug boots. This indicates loose spark plug cables more than anything else.
That one plug was the only one that had signs of arching so I am thinking that may have been my problem all along. After driving the car more this afternoon, it is definently running better, with no more knocking sound.
05-12-2007, 09:31 PM
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Well, here is the story. I bought my car used about a 2 months ago. It is a 2005 with 21,000 miles on it. Right after I bought it, I got the big emission recall done because the previous owner had seriously neglected the car and not had it done. When the dealership did the recall, they said the plugs did not need to be changed, even though I complained about a "pinging/knocking" sound when accelerating.
I finally got tired of the knocking sound and decided to go ahead and buy some new plugs at my own expense, and got my usual local mechanic to replace them this morning. Sure enough, the car seems to run better and on the ride home, I didn't here the knocking sound.
I don't know jack about spark plugs, but to me the old ones look pretty bad. My mechanic also said that 2 of the plugs weren't even tight when he went to take them out, which makes me think that the dealer removed them to inspect them and didn't tighten them back up when putting them back in. From what I have read on other threads these things come from the factory crazy tight. I wan't some opinions from people that know what they are looking at before I go and raise hell at the Mazda dealership.
I finally got tired of the knocking sound and decided to go ahead and buy some new plugs at my own expense, and got my usual local mechanic to replace them this morning. Sure enough, the car seems to run better and on the ride home, I didn't here the knocking sound.
I don't know jack about spark plugs, but to me the old ones look pretty bad. My mechanic also said that 2 of the plugs weren't even tight when he went to take them out, which makes me think that the dealer removed them to inspect them and didn't tighten them back up when putting them back in. From what I have read on other threads these things come from the factory crazy tight. I wan't some opinions from people that know what they are looking at before I go and raise hell at the Mazda dealership.
yeah yeah they probably giving you BS like *your car is fine dont need to change it* , my ***.
The plugs look fine to me. but I wouldnt really clean them, I think I can afford 80 bux for every 25000 miles (yeah you're @ 21K miles, but close)
Raise the hell at them, you can probably get some of your plugs money back if you do (or they will just give you some plugs for free) Take a picture of your battery, to see if they did the Engine no start TSB.
05-12-2007, 09:49 PM
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the trailing plugs (left 2 in the 1st pic) are the non updated plugs, the leadings (right plugs 1st pic) are the updated plugs. the X cut in the plugs is the update, so fuel can drain out of them.
those plugs look pretty normal for rx8 plugs, in piston terms they usually look like some archeological find
those plugs look pretty normal for rx8 plugs, in piston terms they usually look like some archeological find
05-12-2007, 10:03 PM
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Hmmm... now I am really confused. My new ones that I just put in looked the same as these. 2 had the "X" design and 2 did not. I ordered them from Trussville Mazda last week.
05-12-2007, 10:18 PM
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Trailing plugs dont have the X pattern. Only leading plugs does.
j9fd3s is right.
You can get the same plugs for 80 bux. btw. Im not trying to take trussville Mazda business away ..... but when you buy plugs next time, you should go places like sparkplugs.com or amazon.com
Did the shop who changed your plugs put anti-seize on the threads ?
j9fd3s is right.
You can get the same plugs for 80 bux. btw. Im not trying to take trussville Mazda business away ..... but when you buy plugs next time, you should go places like sparkplugs.com or amazon.com
Did the shop who changed your plugs put anti-seize on the threads ?
05-12-2007, 10:20 PM
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lol, maybe they didnt update the trailings? its been a while since i looked at one. ive got a pile of the leadings from the recall though...
05-12-2007, 11:39 PM
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Those look "normal". They are the old-style plug which were replaced with a different design in the middle of '05.
I suffer from loose plugs frequently. They simply back themselves out, so it may not have been the dealer's doing.
Typically, they wouldn't have even bothered to check your plugs if they were intent on not replacing them.
I suffer from loose plugs frequently. They simply back themselves out, so it may not have been the dealer's doing.
Typically, they wouldn't have even bothered to check your plugs if they were intent on not replacing them.
except that I'll add "normal for a factory stock RX-8"here's the last set that came out of my engine
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05-13-2007, 07:16 AM
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You can get the same plugs for 80 bux. btw. Im not trying to take trussville Mazda business away ..... but when you buy plugs next time, you should go places like sparkplugs.com or amazon.com
that my local Mazda dealership wanted for them. I wasn't really sure what I was shopping for, so I wanted to get them from a dealer this time. Next time I will go bargain hunting.
05-13-2007, 01:31 PM
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as for the plugs, the trailings look great, the leadings look a little worn, you can tell because the normally sharp edges on the ground electrode are getting smaller and more rounded off.
The greenish corrosion is indication that your boot may have been partially or completely off the plug. I suggest new plug wires becuase the green corrosion is also going to be on the inside of the boot.
PS, you can clean iridium plugs. I put them in a 600 degree Celsius oven for 5 minutes and it toasted off the unburnt organic residue. Then hit it with some aqua regia.
the upside: perfectly clean plugs
The downside: it completely cleaned the anticorrosion coating off the plugs After that they rusted in a day.
The greenish corrosion is indication that your boot may have been partially or completely off the plug. I suggest new plug wires becuase the green corrosion is also going to be on the inside of the boot.
PS, you can clean iridium plugs. I put them in a 600 degree Celsius oven for 5 minutes and it toasted off the unburnt organic residue. Then hit it with some aqua regia.
the upside: perfectly clean plugs
The downside: it completely cleaned the anticorrosion coating off the plugs
After that they rusted in a day.
05-13-2007, 07:43 PM
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Thanks for all the opinions. Whether they look like they needed it or not, I think it was money well spent because the car is running SOOOO much better than it was. I finally got the chance to get out on some back roads today and go through the rev's and it is running smoother and stronger than it ever has, even with it being in the mid 90's here today.
And the best part is that that horrible knocking sound is gone.
And the best part is that that horrible knocking sound is gone.
05-13-2007, 08:57 PM
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Not to thread jack but a question for the pros in here...
I just replaced my plugs today and needless to say these plugs are NOT cheap. Why cant we use a plug for another car and just set it to the correct gapping that the rotary specifies? I honestly dont know what the difference between all the spark plugs between different cars actually is because they all LOOK the same. Is the only thing different really just the gapping?
I just replaced my plugs today and needless to say these plugs are NOT cheap. Why cant we use a plug for another car and just set it to the correct gapping that the rotary specifies? I honestly dont know what the difference between all the spark plugs between different cars actually is because they all LOOK the same. Is the only thing different really just the gapping?
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