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Myztiq 01-04-2009 01:32 AM

Rx8 Upgrade
 
Hi guys i own a 04 rx8 gt auto but the top speed is 130 it tops out and i was trying to figure out how to increase that .

ps i am a new guy here and new to this rx8 :banghead:

tubingchamp 01-04-2009 01:35 AM

So you're doing alot of high speed track driving right?

130MPH is pretty fast..

Best way to increase your top speed is by increasing your horsepower (getting a turbo + nos.)

You'll have like 450RWHP if you pick the right combo, and your engine will last about a week (if that).

swoope 01-04-2009 01:47 AM

your speedo is lying to you.. the auto tops out at 125. get a gps..

it is limited to 125. what tires do you have on the car..

beers :beer:

Myztiq 01-04-2009 01:57 AM

my car is stock so i have not yet met any upgrades

the tires i am using are the original 18 in ones

Myztiq 01-04-2009 02:01 AM

and i dont want to go all that way just some minor upgrades like cold air intake n exhaust but i am afraid of getting all that if i am gonna be getting me to 125 like swoope says i wanna go fasssssttttt but not to fast lol

swoope 01-04-2009 02:02 AM


Originally Posted by Myztiq (Post 2797805)
my car is stock so i have not yet met any upgrades

the tires i am using are the original 18 in ones


what size are the tires? it would be something like 225 / 45 / 18. so you have a grand touring auto?

so your 04 is stock? has the tires that came on the car?

beers :beer:

paulmasoner 01-04-2009 02:05 AM


Originally Posted by Myztiq (Post 2797808)
and i dont want to go all that way just some minor upgrades like cold air intake n exhaust but i am afraid of getting all that if i am gonna be getting me to 125 like swoope says i wanna go fasssssttttt but not to fast lol

i dont know much about the auto's but if your PCM limited to 125, because its an auto, then the only way to break that limit is to reflash the PCM i would think...?

Myztiq 01-04-2009 02:07 AM

were can i get that item

paulmasoner 01-04-2009 02:09 AM

Cobb AcessPORT, you can get it from Mazdamaniac. there are a couple threads dedicated to it. There is also Hymee's flash tuner that i think is being sold now? I believe Pettit Racing also has flash tune capability of some sort that they offer for NA cars....

swoope 01-04-2009 02:11 AM

i think the accessport will do it. get it from mazdamaniac..

but i am sure someone with an auto will chime in here.. but for the most part on autos or manuals the hp increases with out fi are slim...

beers :beer:

tubingchamp 01-04-2009 02:12 AM

Also, before you do anything to do with your engine management.. Please read up on some information on rotary engines, and just generally look around the forum for technical information... Could save you alot of money.

paulmasoner 01-04-2009 02:12 AM

^^yep. i think the most you can expect with any combination of imaginable bolt ons is ~210(up from the 180 avg dyno)

Myztiq 01-04-2009 02:17 AM

would this void warranty of my car

i know this is off the subject but i had take my 8 to mazda dealership and they told me the ignition was messed up and my acceleration was not working properly that it was not putting all the horses so they suggested to keep it for a week for a new engine installation, they told me that mazda was fixing all the bugs for all the o4 models

robrecht 01-04-2009 02:21 AM

Mazda would definitely claim your warranty is voided. Are they installing a new engine for you? If so, don't bother messing with your flash.

paulmasoner 01-04-2009 02:28 AM

indeed they would take the warrantee for messing with the PCM. But how would they know? theres no way for them to check for that.

Myztiq 01-04-2009 02:30 AM

thx well they told me if ur gonna put new performance parts to put mazdaspeed parts yea something bout my engine is wrong so they have to put a new one hell how long thas gonna take =(

paulmasoner 01-04-2009 02:34 AM

there is no mazdaspeed anything for tuning.

again, there is no way for them to detect that you have reflashed your PCM

i dont know how long an engine replacement will take them? ask your dealer?

Myztiq 01-04-2009 02:42 AM

um well there offered me a cold air intake and i have a catalog that show me all the mazdaspeed parts and i am not telling u ur wrong or anything i just have proof

paulmasoner 01-04-2009 02:44 AM

lolz that was a good laugh... everyone here knows what MazdaSpeed offers for parts, they are availible everywhere and at every dealer.

i said they offer nothing for "tuning" as in engine management, which is what we were talking about previously...

tubingchamp 01-04-2009 02:46 AM

Cold air intake doesn't equal higher top speed...

Tuning doesn't equal modding...

Read the forum abit before posting....

StealthTL 01-04-2009 02:47 AM

Maybe Paul should have said "there are no MazdaSpeed bits that will make the car faster" and then that would include the intake.

S

paulmasoner 01-04-2009 02:51 AM

what Stealth said ^^^


thanks :)

tubingchamp 01-04-2009 02:52 AM

Durr, I thought with MS exhaust+intake you'd have +40 HP to the WHEELZ?!

paulmasoner 01-04-2009 02:54 AM

add a sticker an you got another 20+

but that still wont get you past that speed limiter in the PCM. for that you need a GT wing

tubingchamp 01-04-2009 11:53 AM

Oh, really? I didn't know the GT Wing changed that.. Wow thanks paul! Now I know what to do, screw the supercharger, I'm going to get THIS!

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/8...rufrearpw1.jpg

paulmasoner 01-04-2009 12:00 PM

dude that wing isnt worth 20... its worth like 75 at LEAST!@!@

foxgoku 01-04-2009 12:05 PM

lmao, I had that on my 8 but it gave me too much power. I kept pulling the front end up so it had to come off.

paulmasoner 01-04-2009 12:09 PM

i think you needed a big brke kit to stop that from happeneing

robrecht 01-04-2009 12:11 PM

Wow, that looks like a surfboard. Thanks Paul for the clarification about dealers not being able to detect a new flash.

ShellDude 01-04-2009 12:20 PM

I haven't seen anything in my AP or Streetuner software for it that would enable me to limit / unlimit my top speed. As far as I know for US cars this is no such ECU based limit.

JDM has a speed limiter, but there's a bolt-on ECU piggy-back thingy that defeats it.

Someone go get Jeff!

alnielsen 01-04-2009 12:24 PM

The automatic transmission versions do have a limiter. Manual transmission versions are only limited by aero drag.
The AP can limit speed if so desired. There is a Valet setting that does such a thing. Whether that is available from MM or Cobb, I don't remember.

paulmasoner 01-04-2009 12:24 PM

ShellDude would be MUCH more qualified to listen to here... as i know nothing about the AT's, so thanks shell :)

i was just working on the assumption that you were limited from what i read

ShellDude 01-04-2009 12:33 PM

You can definitely adjust your rev limit so perhaps that's the confusing part.

Out of the box the 4AT is limited to 7500 RPM, but with an AP you can raise it as high as you like.

The whole speed limiter thing is real for JDM based 8s, but like I said, I've yet to see anything concrete (nor I have tried) that limits / cuts the throttle on my little 4AT.

With that said, I've yet to take it much over 100. 125+ would require a track, no doubt.

04RX8man 01-04-2009 12:37 PM

get VTAC!!!! YOOOO

ShellDude 01-04-2009 12:41 PM

I can't imagine cruising my little 4AT at 7500+ RPM in 4th gear. It's 70-75 mph at 3200...

so if the limiter is rev based, you're talking some crazy speed of like 150mph.

blackenedwings 01-05-2009 03:17 PM

Wow, I thought my wing was pretty awesome, but that one is SWEET! Add in some Mazdaspeed nawz and that pesky 125 limiter will be blown away!

Tim Tim Tim 01-05-2009 07:16 PM

damn I was hoping to get into the 130mph club at the salt flats this year. I guess my 04 auto wont be getting there :(

ShellDude 01-05-2009 07:18 PM


Originally Posted by Tim Tim Tim (Post 2800312)
damn I was hoping to get into the 130mph club at the salt flats this year. I guess my 04 auto wont be getting there :(

Clearly, you didn't read the entire thread.

04RX8man 01-05-2009 07:20 PM

^naaaazzzzz

Tim Tim Tim 01-06-2009 08:33 PM

I thought I read that they were topped at 125? did I miss something?

ShellDude 01-06-2009 08:41 PM

There is nothing in any of the ECU programming, at least the maps provided by COBB, I've found that suggests there is an actual speed limiter on the 4ATs.

The only thing that has been confirmed for the US 4ATs is that they have a 7500 RPM rev limit that can be increased to whatever value you feel like pushing it to.

Ceez76 01-06-2009 09:28 PM


Originally Posted by Myztiq (Post 2797827)
thx well they told me if ur gonna put new performance parts to put mazdaspeed parts yea something bout my engine is wrong so they have to put a new one hell how long thas gonna take =(

My engine replacement took a little over a month and i had to pay out of pocket for it (8000 big ones) and slap on another 1500 for a rental car.

Nubo 01-07-2009 12:00 PM

Ummm, bigger wheels so the PCM only thinks you're doing 125 :)

Myztiq 01-07-2009 04:45 PM

lol i did not have 2 pay anything for my new engine replacement cuz of my warranty so i am saving 6000 =)

04RX8man 01-07-2009 07:06 PM

8000 for engine replacement?

Ceez76 01-07-2009 10:00 PM

$7,800 and change .

Rotr8 01-07-2009 10:39 PM

Yeah that seems really high, you can get a pretty beefed up engine from Mazmart and have the prestige of telling everyone Rick Engilman built it, for that much, it is however Mazda you sourced the engine from...

ShellDude 01-10-2009 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by alnielsen (Post 2798172)
The automatic transmission versions do have a limiter. Manual transmission versions are only limited by aero drag.
The AP can limit speed if so desired. There is a Valet setting that does such a thing. Whether that is available from MM or Cobb, I don't remember.

figured I'd put the final nail in this speed limiter coffin. I found this callout from Jeff in another thread that convienently confirms what I've been spewing in this thread:


Originally Posted by MazdaManiac (Post 2805293)
...
The rev limit can be moved to as high as 10,000 RPM.
There is no speed governor on North American models, other than that imposed by the laws of physics.

This was a direct reply to someone with a US 05 4AT considering an AccessPort.


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