RX-8 Ram-Air Sealed Cold Airbox Intake System
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RX-8 Ram-Air Sealed Cold Airbox Intake System
Has anyone used this intake from Mazda RX8 Cold Air Intake System. Mazda RX-8 Horsepower Performance Parts.
I'm interested in it, but I've never actually seen anyone with it to know how it worked for them.
I'm interested in it, but I've never actually seen anyone with it to know how it worked for them.
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There are 3 brands of intakes that will net you more power: Racing Beat, AEM, and Mazdaspeed (which is actually just AEM).
Everything else is at best a net zero gain. Most, especially little known brands like that, will give you a power loss. Our stock intake is VERY good.
https://www.rx8club.com/rx-8-discuss...rx-8-a-233937/
Not to mention any "Ram air" intake requires direct exposure to the pressure wave of air in front of the car in order to be an actual "ram air" effect. And their won't be gains from that effect that can offset the airflow problems in the intake, MAF disruption, etc...
Read this article on the impact of ram air on motorcycles, which has a very large frontal area exposed to the intake compared to the whole profile of bike, plus factory support to tune and shape it properly. Take a look at how few bikes are able to get any net benefit from it, and at the speeds needed.
Sport Rider-Ram Air Test of sport bikes on the motorcycle dyno
Everything else is at best a net zero gain. Most, especially little known brands like that, will give you a power loss. Our stock intake is VERY good.
https://www.rx8club.com/rx-8-discuss...rx-8-a-233937/
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(can cause warranty hassle)
The OEM intake is really VERY good. The only 2 aftermarket intakes that can boast a power improvement are the Mazdaspeed and AEM. Which happen to be the exact same thing, just with different logos. That intake can give you a very slight bump in power. And I mean very slight. Within the 2% error margin of modern dynos. (2% of 180rwhp = 3.6hp). The only other viable intake for power reasons is the Racing Beat intake. There are a few other intakes that are net equal to the OEM intake, but not many. Every single other intake than this handful, from K&N to ebay kits, cold air and ram air, complicated and simple, every single one will cause you to lose power. This is because they do not have the proper R&D into how the air flows into our engine. They just fabricated a tube, made a port for the MAF, and jammed an air filter on the end. The air becomes heavily disrupted, the MAF can't read it right, and the ECU believes what the MAF is incorrectly telling it, causing the ECU to over and/or underfuel the engine all over the rev range. Even removing the OEM screens can cause power loss, since those screens are very well designed to straighten the air flow and smooth it down considerably. They aren't there to 'catch rocks'. Just to straighten the air flow.
The filter isn't even bad. There is FAR more breathable surface area on the OEM air filter than nearly every intake kit out there. The OEM filter is NOT a restriction on the air flow. The K&N drop-in panel was dyno'ed by Speedsource to show a consistent 1HP increase vs OEM. However, the K&N's filtering is substandard, and in Daytona races (Grand-Am ST class), they were losing engines to sand ingestion. (Reference: https://www.rx8club.com/tech-garage-...1/#post3849277) 1HP is not worth that risk, especially if you are paying for it. Stick with OEM. The only solid reasons to go after market are:
- the subjective reason of "I like the sound"
- the cooling reason of removing the OEM air box to improve air flow from the radiator
- or the improvement in how easy it is to get to any items under the OEM air box.
(can cause warranty hassle)
The OEM intake is really VERY good. The only 2 aftermarket intakes that can boast a power improvement are the Mazdaspeed and AEM. Which happen to be the exact same thing, just with different logos. That intake can give you a very slight bump in power. And I mean very slight. Within the 2% error margin of modern dynos. (2% of 180rwhp = 3.6hp). The only other viable intake for power reasons is the Racing Beat intake. There are a few other intakes that are net equal to the OEM intake, but not many. Every single other intake than this handful, from K&N to ebay kits, cold air and ram air, complicated and simple, every single one will cause you to lose power. This is because they do not have the proper R&D into how the air flows into our engine. They just fabricated a tube, made a port for the MAF, and jammed an air filter on the end. The air becomes heavily disrupted, the MAF can't read it right, and the ECU believes what the MAF is incorrectly telling it, causing the ECU to over and/or underfuel the engine all over the rev range. Even removing the OEM screens can cause power loss, since those screens are very well designed to straighten the air flow and smooth it down considerably. They aren't there to 'catch rocks'. Just to straighten the air flow.
The filter isn't even bad. There is FAR more breathable surface area on the OEM air filter than nearly every intake kit out there. The OEM filter is NOT a restriction on the air flow. The K&N drop-in panel was dyno'ed by Speedsource to show a consistent 1HP increase vs OEM. However, the K&N's filtering is substandard, and in Daytona races (Grand-Am ST class), they were losing engines to sand ingestion. (Reference: https://www.rx8club.com/tech-garage-...1/#post3849277) 1HP is not worth that risk, especially if you are paying for it. Stick with OEM. The only solid reasons to go after market are:
- the subjective reason of "I like the sound"
- the cooling reason of removing the OEM air box to improve air flow from the radiator
- or the improvement in how easy it is to get to any items under the OEM air box.
Read this article on the impact of ram air on motorcycles, which has a very large frontal area exposed to the intake compared to the whole profile of bike, plus factory support to tune and shape it properly. Take a look at how few bikes are able to get any net benefit from it, and at the speeds needed.
Sport Rider-Ram Air Test of sport bikes on the motorcycle dyno
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