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HiFlite999 02-01-2010 11:32 AM


Originally Posted by Disciple (Post 3410945)
Oh Jeeze, my head has gone loopy :crazy:after reading all the pages of this post!

As a brand new owner of an '06 w/34k miles, this thread scares the hell outta me! :Eyecrazy: Especially since I have no clue of it's oil usage history, but a big 5w-20 written in feminine cursive on the manual cover. Now I'm itchin' to do a compression check! (Oh and when I do a search for more on this topic, I get an overwhelming amount of thread results...if you've got specific stickies and links I'd sure appreciate it!)

Here's my question though...say we do this mod, (which sounds great btw) and up the oil viscosity used, will this void the OEM or additional warranty on the car? While I have confidence I could do this mod easily and correctly, I would still rather it age out gracefully and the OEMs rebuild it, than for me to pay ~6k in parts to rebuild it myself!

I started another thread in an attempt to summarize the bizillion posts on the subject of increasing engine life, while showing some concern for the warranty issue.

https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...03#post3411503

Disciple 02-01-2010 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by HiFlite999 (Post 3411514)
I started another thread in an attempt to summarize the bizillion posts on the subject of increasing engine life, while showing some concern for the warranty issue.

https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...03#post3411503

Thanks for the advice guys. I'll find somewhere I trust to do the compression test, meanwhile, I'll go read through that thread...

ayrton012 02-02-2010 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by olddragger (Post 3407758)
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Thats the thing about the omp.................. I am having to add more oil now a days.
OD

Great news! It is definitely an advantage by the oil higher pressure. (I think.)

SilverEIGHT 02-03-2010 07:00 PM

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These are my unscientific numbers:

RE-medy Kit from Mazmart:
10w40 Dyno before and after with the pressures checked just before and after the install of the kit. Autometer Electronic oil pressure gauge. Engine temps around 185º +/- 5º

Before Install:
750 RPM =25 lbs (Idle)
3000 RPM = 50 lbs
4000 RPM = ?
5000 RPM = 74 lbs with 75 being max.

After Install:
750 RPM = 25 lbs (Idle)
3000 RPM = 78 lbs
4000 RPM =100
5000 RPM = 110 lbs +/- ? (pegged the gauge)

https://www.rx8club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1265245161

HiFlite999 02-04-2010 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by SilverEIGHT (Post 3415315)
These are my unscientific numbers:

RE-medy Kit from Mazmart:
10w40 Dyno before and after with the pressures checked just before and after the install of the kit. Autometer Electronic oil pressure gauge. Engine temps around 185º +/- 5º

Before Install:
750 RPM =25 lbs (Idle)
3000 RPM = 50 lbs
4000 RPM = ?
5000 RPM = 74 lbs with 75 being max.

After Install:
750 RPM = 25 lbs (Idle)
3000 RPM = 78 lbs
4000 RPM =100
5000 RPM = 110 lbs +/- ? (pegged the gauge)

Interesting and pretty consistent with what I got. I tested my electric/analogue gauges before I installed them. Using a good ol' meat thermometer and a pan of heated water, I initially found the temperature gages to be 'off'. I noticed however that the readings depended on where I ran the ground wire, so I ran separate ground wires from each of the senders directly back to the gauge heads, which then made them pretty accurate. For the oil pressure gauge, I cobbled together some fittings and fed the pressure sender with compressed air and compared the readings with a couple of different independent gauges. Those readings were way off above about 50 psi, so I bought a new electric/digital unit for the oil pressure gauge which seems to be fine. With the stock op system, it was peaking at around 80 psi vs your 75, which could be a gauge variation or a variation in our engines. Given this difference and that you were running 185 deg vs 205 deg, I think our readings are showing the same thing: The stock system is 'peaking' in pressure (and therefore flow) in the 4-5k rpm range, for colder, heavier oil, this peak is lower, and that the Mazmart mod removes this limitation.

9krpmrx8 02-04-2010 11:21 AM

I am glad my gauge goes to 150psi. I am curious if my gauges are accurate.

Brice-RX8 02-05-2010 08:41 AM

Considering the somewhat ease of installing this mod, why do you think Mazda would not have something like this to put on the series 1 cars to help with oil concerns? Emissions concerns?

Mazmart 02-05-2010 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by Brice-RX8 (Post 3417447)
Considering the somewhat ease of installing this mod, why do you think Mazda would not have something like this to put on the series 1 cars to help with oil concerns? Emissions concerns?

Because as far as Mazda's concerned; there is no problem. They are not having engine failures due to this during a warranty period.

Paul.

tech b 02-08-2010 05:30 PM

I mentioned this problem to a local shop that works a lot of with Rx-7s. They showed me a few cars with these mods, and they told me they have zero problems with bearing wear;

http://www.turblown.net/store/index.php?categoryID=14

loop line mod and the coated bearings

Mazmart 02-08-2010 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by tech b (Post 3422051)
I mentioned this problem to a local shop that works a lot of with Rx-7s. They showed me a few cars with these mods, and they told me they have zero problems with bearing wear;

http://www.turblown.net/store/index.php?categoryID=14

loop line mod and the coated bearings

Some interesting stuff on that site.

Paul.

olddragger 02-08-2010 07:21 PM

what kind of coatings is that?
OD

tech b 02-08-2010 10:36 PM

Coating Info

I once watched an older dodge hemi run a low 9 quarter mile with the gold coatings on its headers. When the driver got back to the pit, I asked him about the coatings. He told me to see how long I could hold my hand on the bare exhaust piping. Of course I was very hesitant, but they felt equal to ambient temp less than two minutes after a run... Needless to say they are pretty effective.

9krpmrx8 02-08-2010 10:41 PM

Damn that engine loop line mod is expensive but looks nice.

Brettus 02-08-2010 10:43 PM

Funny - I already have that loop line mod but it was done for an entirely different reason ......

9krpmrx8 02-08-2010 10:49 PM


Originally Posted by Brettus (Post 3422510)
Funny - I already have that loop line mod but it was done for an entirely different reason ......


For what? :)

Brettus 02-08-2010 10:51 PM

/\ to stop the f'n oil leak from a cracked housing at the dowell .

9krpmrx8 02-08-2010 10:54 PM

Ah, I see. Did it work?

Brettus 02-08-2010 11:08 PM

/\ absolutely

Mazmart 02-09-2010 10:17 AM

We've used an oil loop line like that (Front and rear stationaries getting fed without passing through the dowels) but for yet another different reason. Some here may know why :scratchhe.

Paul. :)

Rote8 02-11-2010 08:22 PM


Originally Posted by olddragger (Post 3400822)
A few of our group got together yesterday for a "tuner" day. We installed 2 of the modified oil bypass kits on members cars and had some surprising findings. It was very interesting.

Ok some of the findings that we saw are:

1- Guess how much oil is left in the pan after it has been drained until it stops dripping?. The car is up level on jack stands , dealerships etc would also have it level if they change your oil.
Would you believe 1LITER of oil oil is left behind in the pan.

I like my "drive way ramp" more every oil change...
My driveway is about 25 degrees incline up to the garage, I put my car ramps where the driveway "ramp" meets the flat of the garage; I get lots of oil out.

:)

olddragger 02-12-2010 08:38 AM

can i change oil at your house? :)
OD

SilverEIGHT 02-12-2010 05:56 PM

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This is what I want. It's a syphon that hooks up to your air pump. Just stick a plastic tube down your dip sticks tube until it hits the bottom of your oil pan an pump for about 15 min. It will drain that puppy dry without jacking up your car, taking off a drain plug or tilting your car on it's side to get as much out as possible. Saw it at a friends house last weekend.

https://www.rx8club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1266018609

ganseg 02-12-2010 06:07 PM

I have a mityvac, and loved it for my past cars. Mine was a hand pump one, unlike the picture which uses compressed air. The dipstick tube on my 2004 is too small for the tubes that came with my mity to go down. (I think they have bigger dipstick tubes on later cars though.)

I also have the attachment to suck brake fluid out, which also worked great on past cars. With this car I have to step on the brake, making it a two person operations. Don't know why that is.

ASH8 02-12-2010 11:29 PM


Originally Posted by ganseg (Post 3429626)
I have a mityvac, and loved it for my past cars. Mine was a hand pump one, unlike the picture which uses compressed air. The dipstick tube on my 2004 is too small for the tubes that came with my mity to go down. (I think they have bigger dipstick tubes on later cars though.)

I also have the attachment to suck brake fluid out, which also worked great on past cars. With this car I have to step on the brake, making it a two person operations. Don't know why that is.

Put on stainless Speedbleeders (Dot Com), it is then a one person Job..

olddragger 02-13-2010 08:51 AM

i also have a hand vac to suck the oil out.
It does get more oil out and a hell of a lot less messy.
OD


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