LionZoo

How did he move the secondary intake valve?

Raptor2k

Yeah, how?

Shinka13

It was dark, I was on the driver's side of the car, he leaned in from the passenger side, and did something to make a "flapping" sound and asked if it could be that sound repeating itself really quickly. So yeah, I would guess he was moving the secondary valves.

Jax_RX8

Has anyone done this mod? Do you think it works well?

I like this idea much, much better than premixing as it should provide the proper oil amount to the engine with a better quality (for the purpose), cleaner, and cleaner burning oil. This has to help reduce and might even eliminate the carbon buildup issues.

Let me know if others have done this and what they think as I am really interested in doing this mod.

Moon Assad

Ok, wierd sounds that ive herd, a rattle in the exaust, I still hear it and havent empteyed it out yet though but I now its pieces of the cat or the stock exaust, ive gotten mine to the point of glowing all the way to the tips, I think I rattled a couple pieces of baffle off to add to it, gona check my cat in a few days but I dont see my cat being clogged. As for shudder valves, some times on a stock car you can here them slap open, that can be cured by putting a restrictor in the vac hose going to the highest valve. Motor mounts have been giveing problems also.

firephoenix

marbles sound went away after I brought it in for recall. Now it rev's super smooth like butter. Sounds like a turbine engine

Jax_RX8

Anyone?

Rhythmic

My sound comes from behind the glove compartment, and is completely intermittent. Maybe 20-25% of the time I notice it. Sounds just like sand being shook around in a can.

Moon Assad

The problem with bad gas is youl get a ping or tsick sound. Its hard to get a naturly aspirated rotory to ping, it would mean either a little water or really bad gas, so bad youd smell it.

LionZoo

I think you have what Mike, zenmoused, and I have. The conclusion we've come up with is that it's probably not the engine; maybe the water pump or heater core. Don't quote me though, this is just a conclusion from some hearing observations. It could actually be detonation and all four of our engines will grenade tomorrow!

Old Rotor

Mine went away for a few days after the recall then came back. I feel it was the PCM recalibrating. I cant run reg unless its cool out . If its over 80 deg, I have to run prem or it will ping(MIAC). Going to try Carbon Cleaners then try reg-fuel again, it ran the first 20k fine on reg.

mysql101

Why would running premix stop you from pinging? If anything, the premix will lower your octane.

Old Rotor

I'm not running a premix oil to lubricate, I'm running a Carbon-Cleaner. I'm going to try to reduce the carbon buildup so it wont ping on reg 87 fuel(it did not the first 20k). I feel the rich mix to try to make emissons are the cause. I have to run prem now and will til I dont need it.

Jax_RX8

Premix is generally thought of as a 2-cycle oil, which is not the best stuff for carbon cleanup.

For a good one-time cleaning use BG44k and if you want something to add to every tank to keep it clean use FP60 from Lube Control - both are great products and you can get much info/endorsements at the BITOG site if you want to look into them.

FP60 is supposed to contribute to a more efficient combustion as well (and more MPG) - may be able to return to 87 octane while using without pinging if that is your goal.

dgrx8

i think that regular use of a carbon cleaner should be standard protocol for every 8. that's why i use lucas top cylinder lube as part of my premix. i also use sea foam through the brake booster at every oil change.
what are the rest of you guys using???

Old Rotor

The BG44K & FP60 are two on my list I'm allso looking for Chevron Techron, have you seen this one? How many others have had good luck with these getting rid of the detonaion marbles. I will run a tank of prem this weekend with one of these in it, then add reg Monday and see if the 1 tank did any good.

dgrx8

i don't understand why some of you are even using anything less than premium!!!
this car should ONLY run on PREMIUM!!!
carbon buildup will occur on engines using high octane fuel.... it will be much worse if you use cheap gas!!!

Jax_RX8

Techron is also very good, IMHO probably second to 44K for quick cleanup. Chevron makes two versions of this, the full strength "Techron" and the slightly less strong "ProGuard". 4 bottles of Proguard can be had at Costco for $10, a pretty good deal if cost is your primary consideration. If you care about the best cleaning possible independent of price, then 44k is it - period.

Jax_RX8

I agree that premium is preferred as it helps prevent detonation and has better cleaning - I only use premium and FP60.

But, you could probably get by with a cheaper brand of premium, or possibly 87 or 89 octane, if you run Lube Control FP60 as greatly helps combustion and has great cleaners which may reduce the dependency on premium fuel.

Also, Carbon buildup has nothing to do with "high octane fuel" - carbon is produced by the burning of all fuels, independent of octane, and is increased in rotaries by incomplete burning of the fuel (why we get worse fuel mileage) and the oil addition from the MOP. Carbon buildup also creates more detonation issues - the old vicious circle.

These carbon-producting characteristics of the rotary are why it is vital to get good cleaners in your fuel either by running premium gas all the time, adding good cleaners into the fuel, or both as I do.

rogerdodger

does installing ceramic seals eliminate the need for MOP? Why hasn't Mazda gone to ceramic, cost?

rogerdodger

My Shinka has 900 miles and I just bought a case of Pettit's Protek, I also have used Techron in my Jeep Hemi with great results, can that be added to Protek?

Jax_RX8

While I am not a premix fan, Yes you can add Techron with it (and should add something to clean carbon).

I would go with a cleaner you can add along with the premix into every tank, like FP60 (or the upcoming FP3000). FP60 is added a 1oz per 5 gallons, so about 2-3 oz per refill is all you need and a $33/gallon, does not cost much to run and works great, including helping MPG.

yiksing

This mod should work just fine since its only redirecting oil from another source to be injected. The only worry is forgeting to top up the 2 stroke oil unlikely by the owner but when the car is lend to someone else.

mysql101

do you have a good source for buying it? I looked online and the place that makes it wants $118 per gallon.

http://o2asis.com/

Jax_RX8

That is not the manufacturer - must be some ripoff place - buy directly from Lube Control - it is $33/gallon plus about $8 shipping via FedEx Ground. Here is the link to order.

http://lcdinc.zoovy.com/product/FP60GAL